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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.07.14 08:32:00 -
[61]
/signed, its a decent sized problem
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Sugarbunny
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Posted - 2006.07.14 11:18:00 -
[62]
/signed
im not colorblind but i would also like to see some color costumization, maybe by integrating it into the rightclick function, like:
rightclick on the object > color > red/blue/yellow/etc |
Faeden Pain
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:39:00 -
[63]
/signed
Ive a friend who is color blind wo does play Eve, my dad is also color blind. Too often this this is something that is not taken into account when designing the UI.
Actually my friend and I played Tribes once upon a time. Initially it was ok, as even though the enemy was identified by a red triangle, and friends by green, the enemy also had a small line above the triangle. This is the only way he could tell the different between friends and enemies. Tribes vengance though (aside from just plain ass sucking hard) was missing this designation. Only the red/gree triangles remained. My friend couldnt play even if he wanted to.
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Faeden Pain
I drank WHAT?!!?!.....Socrates |
Nimwa
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Posted - 2006.07.14 17:34:00 -
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working with some more shapes would help.
i.e. the red/green skillbook was mentioned earlier when checking if you can use something or not.
instead of simply shading the background red or green, give each a different shape as well. Green could be round and red could be a rectangle.
Or you could simply put a diagonal line over the skillbook if you dont have the skill at the right level yet.
Additional Symbols and changing shapes in addition to simple coloration can greatly help colorblind people - and they often help people without that problem, too.
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SlyPanther
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:44:00 -
[65]
Edited by: SlyPanther on 17/07/2006 16:45:34
Mandrake, your welcome to contact me any time via E-Mail or ingame for some feedback. It's great to see a response from a Dev on this topic. I am sorry it's taken me a while to reply, but I lost all my bookmarks recently when Firefox decided it didn't like them.
btw Mandrake, it took me a while to work out you had color there in your post, blended in. Thats some feedback right there. I could handle keeping the Red and Green that everyone is used to, adding symbols to the skills could be an option like most things, a tick and a cross could work I think.
This would greatly benefit the EVE players who love the game but get frustrated working out what skills are needed. I know I did it again tonight looking at a Heavy Shield drone, took me a little while due to the fact I have to read the skills required and note against what I had trained.
There are some great idea's in this thread, and it's good to see everyone getting behind this as well. Most people know a friend or Corp member who seems to be having the same problem, and I bet they ask you for help sometimes too. I know I bug my mates. Thank you everyone for helping make EVE better.
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:57:00 -
[66]
I am bringing this up only for balance. it seems everyone here has agreed with this suggestion, and I just wanted to offer an opposing viewpoint.
Whilst I sympathise with anyone with a disability (I am as blind as a bat without my glasses, so it ain't like I'm some sort of Superman meself), it seems to be that the whole world can be changed to accommodate them, and no-one stands up to say anything about it for fear of being branded discriminatory.
The truth is this problem affects 8% of the playerbase (assuming a reasonable cross section and no prevalance to colour blindness amongst those who regularly use VDU's), and yet a lot of effort will have to be expended into changing the system for the ENTIRE playerbase.
Like I said I am (badly!) shortsighted, but I pay for glasses to correct it - I don't get the rest of the world to bring stuff closer to me, or petition poster makers to use bigger fonts.
Now, as SlyPanther has said, there is no cure for his colour blindness (an hey, I like him, cos he can spell "colour"). But there are no cures for blindness either, but at some point it just becomes impossible to make EVERYTHING work for EVERYBODY.
Now, ask me if the current interface could be more user-configurable for PLAYABILITY reasons, and that's a different argument, and one I will support.
So, now you all hate me and the world and his dog will try and pod me. Do they do any ships in Red and Green stripes?
Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums;
Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?"
Cleese: "I've told you once." |
SlyPanther
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:06:00 -
[67]
Edited by: SlyPanther on 17/07/2006 17:06:50
I wear glasses as well, and I pay for them. It's not cheap but hey, I don't wear them I can't see. Simple as that, all I am asking for is something to help out with a problem that can not be corrected. You wear glasses, I wear glasses, this is a correction for a problem that a lot of people have.
Now being in a small group that has a disability that can not be corrected by glasses or going under the knife etc, don't you think we might be entitled to ask CCP if they can offer a solution? Even if we were allowed to say "mod" the game were another user could make a mod to help aleviate the difficulty that I myself face everyday playing EVE.
I am not having a go at you at all, I would just like an option to be able to either change the interface or add symbols to let me do what everyone else takes for granted.
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:12:00 -
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I wasn't having a go at you either Sly, and I think you have a valid point, but for a different reason as I stated (the UI could be more adaptable).
It really is just a case of "Where do you draw the line?". I'm not being at ALL facetious, but are we going to have "*BOOM*" in a popup box for the deaf, and audible mouseover sounds for the seriously visually impaired.
God, I sound like SUCH a **** I know, but there is a financial cost implicit in EVERY change to the game mechanics. That's resources that don't get spent elsewhere, but no extra revenue comes in as result of the change you are suggesting.
Last point: I support your change, but for a different reason. I hope I haven't offended, and I will withdraw from this thread now.
Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums;
Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?"
Cleese: "I've told you once." |
SlyPanther
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:25:00 -
[69]
Edited by: SlyPanther on 17/07/2006 17:25:52
Haha, I do agree with you there, but with sounds, I don't even play EVE with the sound on due to the problems with it. Also running two clients and the sound of, the performance is greatly improved.
The ingame Interface could do with some more options is really what I am getting at in all honesty. You can change the colour scheme in game of the HUD to suit yourself, but this stops there. It doesn't allow you to change say the skill colour's with the scheme you choose for yourself. I have been playing EVE for just over a year now and I deal with the problem, I have stopped playing games before due to difficultly seeing anything.
I didn't complain that I just spent $80AUD on a game that I played for 30min and gave up due to frustration and lack of options, I just shrugged my shoulders and basicly said "s$#t happens".
These forums are for idea's and improvments to EVE Online, it's where the community can get together, rip idea's to peices or support them. I know sooner or later CCP will get to look at them, as Mandrake has done with this one to get an idea of some problems being faced with their customers.
If nothing comes of this, I will not complain about it. I will continue annoying my friends and corpies, as thats what they are there for, and I will continue playing EVE Online as it's a game I love and wish I found years ago on release.
I shall continue flying in EVE, changing my overview to flashyness so I can see an "enemy" if my Corp is at war, or someone is locking me. Red is danger, but what do you do if you cant see Red in space :)
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:47:00 -
[70]
I said I wouldn't...but I couldn't resist...
An American tourist was travelling in a taxi in the UK. The taxi stopped at a pedestrian crossing, and the American Tourist noticed the sound of the beeps. She asked the taxi driver what they signified, and he replied "It's so that blind people know the lights have changed."
She replied;
"Oh my God! In the States we don't even let blind people DRIVE."
Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums;
Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?"
Cleese: "I've told you once." |
Laendra
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:40:00 -
[71]
OMG, you people are as bad as politicians. Luckily for all of us, CCP has the power of line item veto on all of your "rider requests" 
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Dev7
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 00:58:00 -
[72]
/Signed
we need to think about color blind ppl to..myself I am not colorblind..but my friend is so colorblind that he thought that green bus are red...
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Nemain
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.18 02:03:00 -
[73]
Thats *****ing idea, a friend of mine had a similar problem when he was on a trial account. So I am all for a change, especiallyi if it helps me coax him back to eve 
Simply change red box to a red cross and green box to a green tick, and everyone is happy. Add a cross to skills you don't have in the market view and we are sorted. That should be nice and simple :)
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Lexa A
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 01:02:00 -
[74]
Gunna give this one a bump just spent about 10 mins trying to work out if someone had blocked me... turns out thay had loged off
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Trixie Naguma
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.08 18:20:00 -
[75]
Gotta give it a bump again, I have to use my second account again due to not having the extra for EVE this week. Gotta hate bills. Anyway, I would like to see another Dev response as I haven't been contacted as of late to answer any questions which I am more than willing to do.
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When will my picture work? It's been a couple of months now !! |
FinrodFelagund
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Posted - 2006.08.09 04:40:00 -
[76]
Edited by: FinrodFelagund on 09/08/2006 04:44:10
/signed as well
My problem is with Security status on the map. I can't really tell teh difference between .3-.6 and its really rather annoying :/
[shamless plug of my other colorblind post]
00FFFF for 1.0
00CCFF for .9
0099FF for .8
0066FF for .7
0033FF for .6
0000FF for .5
FFFF00 for .4
FFCC00 for .3
FFCC00 for .2
FFCCOO for .1
990000 for 0.0
Would be right for me.
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Mr Xofar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.09 05:08:00 -
[77]
It's not just a matter of appeasing or catering to those of us who have the defficiency of color sight, but ANY amount of customizability is welcome in any game UI. Being able to adjust the color of things represented on the screen just happens to be the most useful for color blind/defficient people. It may be that only 8% of the player base is color blind, but it is more likely that a far greater percentage would find the change useful.
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Incompetent |
Feng Schui
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:30:00 -
[78]
agreed.
first thing i learned going to school for multimedia was the colorwheel, and how to make thing adaptable so everyone can see whatever, and it is still... pleasing to the eye.
hire meh!
Irony:
A miner grief killing a pirate. You know who you are dear ex-gang member. Why haven't you logged in for the past 2 weeks, hrmm? |
Trixie Naguma
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.10 16:57:00 -
[79]
It's not a highjacking FinrodFelagund. Any and all information is handy to have here, I find it hard to see the sec status as well, well in all honesty, nearly impossible. I just know the dark ones mean bad stuff can happen :)
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When will my picture work? It's been a couple of months now !! |
Felyza
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Posted - 2006.08.15 18:19:00 -
[80]
/signed
not colorblind, but know people that are and this is a problem for them in this and other games
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Peaq
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Posted - 2006.08.15 18:39:00 -
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On the whole "making things easier to see" part. It'd be nice if active, deactive, activating, and deactivating module colors were more pronounced. I have no particular color blindness but the colors are feignt and hard to see sometimes.
Just make the whole button green instead of that faded flashing shadowed green for example.
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FinrodFelagund
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Posted - 2006.08.16 07:16:00 -
[82]
Yeah my little color list there is blues for hisec, yellows-oranges for losec red for nosec.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.16 18:06:00 -
[83]
/signed
You can't really argue with this...
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Izzara
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Posted - 2006.08.22 19:06:00 -
[84]
Just make the client-side interface "XTML" with no hook functions.
and let the players mod it.
I find that even with greater rez , I still cant make things work.
As for the "there is no profit in making a new interface",
I hate to blow this for ya, but the players are the profit of any MMORPG.
Players need to understand that the game company needs players and much as the players need games.
Demand Controls Supply.
Eve is a great game but the interface could use a bit more "Player Side" customization.
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SlyPanther
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:52:00 -
[85]
Would still love to hear some comments from the Dev's again if possible. I know with all the patches and problems lately the forums might not be getting the attention.
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
codepic
Mithril Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:23:00 -
[86]
I found a free Photoshop Plug-In called VisiCheckPS which can demonstrate you how color blind people see images, it's available in here:
http://www.vischeck.com/downloads/
Gonna test it myself a bit with photoshop & eve screenshots
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Steven Dynahir
Gallente
Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:32:00 -
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Aww.. I shouldn't.
(Please take note, this might be considered as a rude joke, and if you don't want to see such, do not click =)
Link
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Sell orders
Recruitment
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SlyPanther
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:49:00 -
[88]
lol, I can't see whats in there. That sucks and that is pure EVIL !!
But gave me a laugh and might help out a little to be honest :)
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Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:36:00 -
[89]
A lot of this is simple. Why, in the "Required Skills" section are the red and green blocks the same shape? It would be the easiest thing in the world to make the red a circle and the green a circle with a dot in it or a tick vs a cross or any number of options.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:56:00 -
[90]
 Originally by: SlyPanther
lol, I can't see whats in there. That sucks and that is pure EVIL !!
But gave me a laugh and might help out a little to be honest :)
Ummm, that indeed is a pure evil T-Shirt, it says "F**k The Colorblind"
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