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SlyPanther
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Posted - 2006.05.25 14:00:00 -
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Yes, I spelt Colour with a U, thats how it's done before any replies.
Ok, what I would like and I have mailed the team about before, this would be about 6months or more ago I did this, is a mod that would allow me to change certain colour options in game. When I view the market I can not tell just glancing at a module if I can use it without going into details and looking at the skills.
I am in the minority of EVE users who have a colour deficiency, I myself am Red/Green colour deficient. Meaning that I have NFI what the colour I am viewing is when both are next to one another. I have purchased items before when I thought I could use them only to discover that I just wasted 15 milion ISK on something I have to wait a week to use. I am not sure if this could be done with a simple change, but anything would be good for us. Even a small change so I could make it say, black and white for skills needed and known.
Thanks for taking the time to look over the idea.
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Mahavy Seth
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Posted - 2006.05.25 15:37:00 -
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/Signed
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Lanfear's Bane
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Posted - 2006.05.25 15:42:00 -
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So can you use 3D glasses or do they not work?
Lanfear's Bane.
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Lanfear's Bane
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Posted - 2006.05.25 15:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
So can you use 3D glasses or do they not work?
Lanfear's Bane.
I just meant in general BTW, not to make playing EEV any easier, that would be rediculous.
Lanfear's Bane.
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DeckardIRL
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Posted - 2006.05.25 15:43:00 -
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/signed
I am not colourblind but its hard to argue against the above point.
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.05.25 16:44:00 -
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I can think of no argument that counters this one.
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Kittamaru
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Posted - 2006.05.25 19:21:00 -
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Ouch, that sucks
I myself have problems distinguishing colour shades :( 2 close shades are very hard for me to tell apart
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.05.25 23:19:00 -
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I wonder if EVE would run any smoother on 8bit grayscale?
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SlyPanther
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Posted - 2006.05.26 01:46:00 -
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3D glasses wont work, there are glasses that can help, but they are for Green/Red colour blindness. I am Red/Green, which is a little different and there is nothing that can be done to help correct it.
So thank you all for the support and I hope CCP can help out with some type of fix.
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
Trixie Naguma
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Posted - 2006.06.10 02:29:00 -
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*Bump* I would like to see a response from a Dev or a mod on this topic as it interests me as well.
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.06.10 05:12:00 -
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/signed.
In line with this suggestion there also needs to be more options for varying the color of the UI - there is currently no way as far as I can tell to change the color of in-game text.
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Sarf
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Posted - 2006.06.10 18:34:00 -
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/signed
I have hard enough time seeing some things, and I am not color (american spelling) blind.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.06.10 21:09:00 -
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Although I m not colour blind, I would like to see it as a feature. Being able to change the colours of certain things for your own preferences if nothing else make sense. I find it hard to tell if a mod on my ship is online or not while I am flying in some areas, the bright background makes it hard to distinguish.
Using green/red for yes/no may seem reasonable but for those who are colourblind, it poses a real problem.
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Mon Ansurat
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Posted - 2006.06.10 21:29:00 -
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/signed
i can see fine well.... could there also be a a tweek to change font size in market and such ;)
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.06.10 22:07:00 -
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/signed
I'd also like to see something as simple as having the "module cirle" being blacked-out instead of see-thru. (on active "module circles" only)
God that would help sooooo much with some of the backgrounds.
And it wouldnt interfere with anyone elses gameplay, as you cant see anything behind the module anyway.
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Torrus Blatella
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Posted - 2006.06.11 02:48:00 -
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/signed
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Arath Veduran
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Posted - 2006.06.11 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: SlyPanther
3D glasses wont work, there are glasses that can help, but they are for Green/Red colour blindness. I am Red/Green, which is a little different and there is nothing that can be done to help correct it.
So thank you all for the support and I hope CCP can help out with some type of fix.
Out of pure curiousity, what's the difference between green/red and red/green colourblindness?
And also, /signed. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Lag Hon
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Posted - 2006.06.11 08:49:00 -
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/signed, Has no impact on any part of the game except making it as easy for you to play as we have it already.
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Johnny Twoshoe
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Posted - 2006.06.11 09:06:00 -
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I don't see why not.
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Kebdil
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Posted - 2006.06.11 12:11:00 -
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/signed! cant see y not!
but i can see y yes! i dont think it would require too much to be done! anyway i hope something will change and pretty soon!
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jaefron
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Posted - 2006.06.11 16:49:00 -
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after viewing these boards for many months, This is the one of the few ideas for EVE that has merit and should be implemented as quickly as possible. possibly by even delaying another fix that is not as important. like a new ray charles text
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.06.11 16:55:00 -
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yeah /signed. Im not completely color blind. I just sometimes mess red and green if theyŚre close each other (wartarget star - copmember star). Kinda annoying.
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CaptainSeafort
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Posted - 2006.06.11 17:22:00 -
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infact, colourblind/defective people are a lot less rare than you may think, and i made this post in general discussion a while back:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=335868
ps, plz dont revive it as its dead, but its just yet more signatures for your request =)
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kirjava
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Posted - 2006.06.11 20:01:00 -
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Agreed. I dare a developer to come up with a compelling counter arguement to this one.
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Mr John22ta
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Posted - 2006.06.12 01:14:00 -
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bump i agree with the topic poster while i may not be colour blind of wat not i still think its best if we can change some of these options i mean in fleet combat for people that havent figerged the fliters in the overview i would mean shooting an alliance or corp member and not the war target etc and for skills would be damn good aswell (15mill for sommit u can use sucks imagen 200mill implant 5 months away....)
/signed with extreame need
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ArcticFox
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Posted - 2006.06.12 03:05:00 -
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I recommend sending an Evemail to Kieron or the mod team pointing out this thread. I think a lot of good ideas get overlooked simply because nobody who can point them out to the appropriate people ever reads them, not because there aren't enough 'signatures.'
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Rabbitgod
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Posted - 2006.06.12 07:54:00 -
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Their maybe plug-in for your video card for this. Other than that /signed.
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Rabbitgod
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Posted - 2006.06.12 08:20:00 -
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What we see. before red/green filter.
What he sees. After red/green filter.
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SlyPanther
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Posted - 2006.06.18 15:30:00 -
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I have once before sent this into the team, was last year and I got a reply about it. Looking into it or something, I wish I still had the email but I lost it in one of my many windows formatting sprees.
I will send it through again though unless a Mod points it out to the Dev's or a Dev spots it.
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
Vennilia Brutii
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Posted - 2006.06.18 15:44:00 -
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/bump
/signed
/:)
/anything else that'll help get this DONE!
/i am n.. wait.. excessive use of / ...
OK, I am not colour deficient either, but I think I... kind of understand how hard it is for SlyPanther do see.
Anyway I hope some devs see this and can implement something into EVE to solve the issue. They did it for the colour (yes, another 'U' user!) of the interface so I'm sure they could do it for other areas, including the text as was mentioned above.
Go on CCP, YOU CAN DO IT! FIX THE FREAKING PROBLEM!! :D :D :D ;)
In all seriousness it is deffinately an issue that needs addressing, I hope the guys and gals at CCP can do something to help with this issue.
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Lexa A
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Posted - 2006.06.18 19:41:00 -
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/signed
would make my life so much nicer and its pretty simple to do
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Kittamaru
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Posted - 2006.06.19 19:04:00 -
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rebump
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Del Imbrhir
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Posted - 2006.06.19 21:58:00 -
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/signed
Best regards,
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SlyPanther
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Posted - 2006.06.21 17:11:00 -
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I recieved a reply from one of the GM's suggesting that I start a thread in these very forums and also to submit the problem as a Bug Report. Well, seeing I had already started the thread and even linked it in the original I decided to try the second part and submitted it as a Bug report, I will keep you informed as to the result of the bug report.
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
xeom
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Posted - 2006.06.21 17:26:00 -
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Not color blind,but CCP really needs to look at this.
I believe there's allready been a few post about this.And yet no responce to it 
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Aarin Wrath
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Posted - 2006.06.21 17:27:00 -
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/signed.
I belives its something ike 1/3 of males are color blind (yes i am serious, its a very high percentage)
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Shadowblayde
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Posted - 2006.06.21 20:07:00 -
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totally agree. I'm colourblind and have had problems with a few things. Should use black and green for the offline / online thing. Should keep bumping this till a dev takes notice.
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Tetovo
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Posted - 2006.06.22 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aarin Wrath
/signed.
I belives its something ike 1/3 of males are color blind (yes i am serious, its a very high percentage)
Its actually about 7-8%, but males make up the majority of all colorblind people.
signed btw
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.06.22 21:07:00 -
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Agreed. I'm color blind (partly) as well, and while it doesnt affect EvE very much for me, trying to set up ANY electronic thing with a green LED for when its working and a red LED for when its not is an amazing pain by myself.
Its odd how greed/red and red/green deffiency seems to be common and they HAD to choose green and red for every important LED on the planet
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Constantinee
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Posted - 2006.06.23 08:32:00 -
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I will completley say this needs to be done. Personally if ccp chould change the way u find out if u can use crap. For example if u can use a mod in the upper left have a green check if u cant have a red x keep the colors but add the check and x so peaople with defficancys can still tell weather or not they can use it.
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Benco97
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:13:00 -
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this needs a fix, please CCP, let them play the game like everyone else
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Rubicks
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Posted - 2006.06.24 04:42:00 -
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*bump*
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SlyPanther
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Posted - 2006.06.27 07:19:00 -
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I would love to even know if the guys at CCP check the forums on a regular basis, I know there are a lot idea's that go through these forums, some are bad and some are quite good and could be useful to the players.
All I, and the other people watching this thread would like is a little feedback, even if was to say "we are looking into doing something about this". Even if they hadn't thought of it, it wouldn't fuss me, the lack of feedback is just frustrating.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:30:00 -
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/signed
Perhaps using different colors or adding a symbol would do Something like a small (1, y or triangle=green=online) or (0, n, circle=red=offline) in the upper right corner.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:43:00 -
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/signed
and in the same stroke PLEASE make a usable UI windowing system. I have to use cans to sort my bms, just because eve client cannot handle certain composite operations.
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Trixie Naguma
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Posted - 2006.06.28 04:39:00 -
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I could see having a X and O in the box as well as leaving the red and green. Giving people a symbol is just as easy and this really needs to start being looked at in a serious manner.
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Trixie Naguma
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:00:00 -
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A friendly *bump*
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trixie Naguma
I could see having a X and O in the box as well as leaving the red and green. Giving people a symbol is just as easy and this really needs to start being looked at in a serious manner.
Need to find two symbols for friendly/enemy ships in the overview too unless that is also X (Enemy) and O (Friendly).
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2006.07.02 01:52:00 -
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/signed.
About 10% of males have this problem - much fewer females, for genetic reasons, but most EVE players are male, yes?
Actually, once this has been pointed out, someone who got sufficiently annoyed could probably mount an anti-discrimination lawsuit and expect to win - at least in the UK. Not that I am a legal beagle.
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Posted - 2006.07.04 22:59:00 -
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If you had spelled it 'color' then you would have some laws on your side. I can't speak for places that use the otheur spelling.
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Trixie Naguma
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Posted - 2006.07.05 06:19:00 -
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I think Color is American spelling.
Colour = English
But thats how it's done in Australia as this is Panthers 2nd account, main is offline till payday ^_^ .It's things like slang that people get mixed up with.
I dont think it's a discriminating issue either, it's just one of the things NO game designer ever thinks of or consults people about. I tried to play all types of games and sometimes I get extremely frustrated with not being able to see certain objects, crosshairs etc.
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Ciaa
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Posted - 2006.07.05 09:36:00 -
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/signed
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WaTT0
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:36:00 -
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Me too,
I too and red/green colour blind and until i realised you could change the colour of items in the overiew i let 2 war targets warp past me at a gate camp because i could not distinguish them from corp members. needless to say i wasn't very popular with my corp mates that day.
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.05 19:03:00 -
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Why not just make a way for people to change the default colors from green and red to whatever they want.. white and black for example. It won't effect anyone who doesn't want to be effected by it.
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Crazy Smith
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Posted - 2006.07.08 14:18:00 -
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/signed
I'm a colourblind too with problems with red/green, luckily not too severe.
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Mandrake
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Posted - 2006.07.10 11:28:00 -
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I looked up color blindness on wikipedia and was surprised to see that roughly 8% of males are colorblind (women 0.4%).
As iŚm not colorblind i would appreciate some input on what aspects of the game could be improved to benifit the color blind population of eve.
ps. being color blind is not all bad... in select situations color blind people have advantages over people with normal color vision. Color blind hunters are better at picking out prey against a confusing background, and the military have found that color blind soldiers can sometimes see through camouflage that fools everyone else. - wikipedia.org
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.10 11:39:00 -
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This toppic is really interesting, I never thought about how the standart green/red color coding that lots and lots of games have could pose such a difficulty for some people.
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.10 13:36:00 -
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Was that a dev response in features and ideas? Awesome.
I'm not colorlind either, but I've got a friend who is blue-yellow color blind, and he has a terrible time picking a team in Time Splitters.
Generally, any time that two identical icons are presented, differentiated only by their color, it's going to be a problem for someone. The skill requirement icons on the market, as the OP mentioned, are probably the most obvious example of this in EvE.
Since the overview is adjustable and can use icons, flashing and variable types of shading and colors, then I'd say there's no problem with that.
The little "online/offline" icons in your address book would be entirely useless to someone with red/green color blindness.
That's all I can think of right now.
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Nate D
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Posted - 2006.07.13 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrake
I looked up color blindness on wikipedia and was surprised to see that roughly 8% of males are colorblind (women 0.4%).
As iŚm not colorblind i would appreciate some input on what aspects of the game could be improved to benifit the color blind population of eve.
ps. being color blind is not all bad... in select situations color blind people have advantages over people with normal color vision. Color blind hunters are better at picking out prey against a confusing background, and the military have found that color blind soldiers can sometimes see through camouflage that fools everyone else. - wikipedia.org
I think the best option for this would be in the menu to have the option to have defficient color settings, a few drop down menues where a person could select the colors that he or she can't see and then eve figures out what to replace those colors with.
Or you could just make the skill thing a check and an X?
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Tanaka Nari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 12:48:00 -
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What about combining differing icons with colors? Best of both worlds.
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.07.14 08:32:00 -
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/signed, its a decent sized problem
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Sugarbunny
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Posted - 2006.07.14 11:18:00 -
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/signed
im not colorblind but i would also like to see some color costumization, maybe by integrating it into the rightclick function, like:
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:39:00 -
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/signed
Ive a friend who is color blind wo does play Eve, my dad is also color blind. Too often this this is something that is not taken into account when designing the UI.
Actually my friend and I played Tribes once upon a time. Initially it was ok, as even though the enemy was identified by a red triangle, and friends by green, the enemy also had a small line above the triangle. This is the only way he could tell the different between friends and enemies. Tribes vengance though (aside from just plain ass sucking hard) was missing this designation. Only the red/gree triangles remained. My friend couldnt play even if he wanted to.
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Nimwa
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Posted - 2006.07.14 17:34:00 -
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working with some more shapes would help.
i.e. the red/green skillbook was mentioned earlier when checking if you can use something or not.
instead of simply shading the background red or green, give each a different shape as well. Green could be round and red could be a rectangle.
Or you could simply put a diagonal line over the skillbook if you dont have the skill at the right level yet.
Additional Symbols and changing shapes in addition to simple coloration can greatly help colorblind people - and they often help people without that problem, too.
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SlyPanther
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: SlyPanther on 17/07/2006 16:45:34
Mandrake, your welcome to contact me any time via E-Mail or ingame for some feedback. It's great to see a response from a Dev on this topic. I am sorry it's taken me a while to reply, but I lost all my bookmarks recently when Firefox decided it didn't like them.
btw Mandrake, it took me a while to work out you had color there in your post, blended in. Thats some feedback right there. I could handle keeping the Red and Green that everyone is used to, adding symbols to the skills could be an option like most things, a tick and a cross could work I think.
This would greatly benefit the EVE players who love the game but get frustrated working out what skills are needed. I know I did it again tonight looking at a Heavy Shield drone, took me a little while due to the fact I have to read the skills required and note against what I had trained.
There are some great idea's in this thread, and it's good to see everyone getting behind this as well. Most people know a friend or Corp member who seems to be having the same problem, and I bet they ask you for help sometimes too. I know I bug my mates. Thank you everyone for helping make EVE better.
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:57:00 -
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I am bringing this up only for balance. it seems everyone here has agreed with this suggestion, and I just wanted to offer an opposing viewpoint.
Whilst I sympathise with anyone with a disability (I am as blind as a bat without my glasses, so it ain't like I'm some sort of Superman meself), it seems to be that the whole world can be changed to accommodate them, and no-one stands up to say anything about it for fear of being branded discriminatory.
The truth is this problem affects 8% of the playerbase (assuming a reasonable cross section and no prevalance to colour blindness amongst those who regularly use VDU's), and yet a lot of effort will have to be expended into changing the system for the ENTIRE playerbase.
Like I said I am (badly!) shortsighted, but I pay for glasses to correct it - I don't get the rest of the world to bring stuff closer to me, or petition poster makers to use bigger fonts.
Now, as SlyPanther has said, there is no cure for his colour blindness (an hey, I like him, cos he can spell "colour"). But there are no cures for blindness either, but at some point it just becomes impossible to make EVERYTHING work for EVERYBODY.
Now, ask me if the current interface could be more user-configurable for PLAYABILITY reasons, and that's a different argument, and one I will support.
So, now you all hate me and the world and his dog will try and pod me. Do they do any ships in Red and Green stripes?
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SlyPanther
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: SlyPanther on 17/07/2006 17:06:50
I wear glasses as well, and I pay for them. It's not cheap but hey, I don't wear them I can't see. Simple as that, all I am asking for is something to help out with a problem that can not be corrected. You wear glasses, I wear glasses, this is a correction for a problem that a lot of people have.
Now being in a small group that has a disability that can not be corrected by glasses or going under the knife etc, don't you think we might be entitled to ask CCP if they can offer a solution? Even if we were allowed to say "mod" the game were another user could make a mod to help aleviate the difficulty that I myself face everyday playing EVE.
I am not having a go at you at all, I would just like an option to be able to either change the interface or add symbols to let me do what everyone else takes for granted.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:12:00 -
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I wasn't having a go at you either Sly, and I think you have a valid point, but for a different reason as I stated (the UI could be more adaptable).
It really is just a case of "Where do you draw the line?". I'm not being at ALL facetious, but are we going to have "*BOOM*" in a popup box for the deaf, and audible mouseover sounds for the seriously visually impaired.
God, I sound like SUCH a **** I know, but there is a financial cost implicit in EVERY change to the game mechanics. That's resources that don't get spent elsewhere, but no extra revenue comes in as result of the change you are suggesting.
Last point: I support your change, but for a different reason. I hope I haven't offended, and I will withdraw from this thread now.
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SlyPanther
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: SlyPanther on 17/07/2006 17:25:52
Haha, I do agree with you there, but with sounds, I don't even play EVE with the sound on due to the problems with it. Also running two clients and the sound of, the performance is greatly improved.
The ingame Interface could do with some more options is really what I am getting at in all honesty. You can change the colour scheme in game of the HUD to suit yourself, but this stops there. It doesn't allow you to change say the skill colour's with the scheme you choose for yourself. I have been playing EVE for just over a year now and I deal with the problem, I have stopped playing games before due to difficultly seeing anything.
I didn't complain that I just spent $80AUD on a game that I played for 30min and gave up due to frustration and lack of options, I just shrugged my shoulders and basicly said "s$#t happens".
These forums are for idea's and improvments to EVE Online, it's where the community can get together, rip idea's to peices or support them. I know sooner or later CCP will get to look at them, as Mandrake has done with this one to get an idea of some problems being faced with their customers.
If nothing comes of this, I will not complain about it. I will continue annoying my friends and corpies, as thats what they are there for, and I will continue playing EVE Online as it's a game I love and wish I found years ago on release.
I shall continue flying in EVE, changing my overview to flashyness so I can see an "enemy" if my Corp is at war, or someone is locking me. Red is danger, but what do you do if you cant see Red in space :)
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:47:00 -
[70]
I said I wouldn't...but I couldn't resist...
An American tourist was travelling in a taxi in the UK. The taxi stopped at a pedestrian crossing, and the American Tourist noticed the sound of the beeps. She asked the taxi driver what they signified, and he replied "It's so that blind people know the lights have changed."
She replied;
"Oh my God! In the States we don't even let blind people DRIVE."
Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums;
Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?"
Cleese: "I've told you once." |
Laendra
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:40:00 -
[71]
OMG, you people are as bad as politicians. Luckily for all of us, CCP has the power of line item veto on all of your "rider requests" 
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Dev7
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 00:58:00 -
[72]
/Signed
we need to think about color blind ppl to..myself I am not colorblind..but my friend is so colorblind that he thought that green bus are red...
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Nemain
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.18 02:03:00 -
[73]
Thats *****ing idea, a friend of mine had a similar problem when he was on a trial account. So I am all for a change, especiallyi if it helps me coax him back to eve 
Simply change red box to a red cross and green box to a green tick, and everyone is happy. Add a cross to skills you don't have in the market view and we are sorted. That should be nice and simple :)
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Lexa A
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 01:02:00 -
[74]
Gunna give this one a bump just spent about 10 mins trying to work out if someone had blocked me... turns out thay had loged off
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Trixie Naguma
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.08 18:20:00 -
[75]
Gotta give it a bump again, I have to use my second account again due to not having the extra for EVE this week. Gotta hate bills. Anyway, I would like to see another Dev response as I haven't been contacted as of late to answer any questions which I am more than willing to do.
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When will my picture work? It's been a couple of months now !! |
FinrodFelagund
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Posted - 2006.08.09 04:40:00 -
[76]
Edited by: FinrodFelagund on 09/08/2006 04:44:10
/signed as well
My problem is with Security status on the map. I can't really tell teh difference between .3-.6 and its really rather annoying :/
[shamless plug of my other colorblind post]
00FFFF for 1.0
00CCFF for .9
0099FF for .8
0066FF for .7
0033FF for .6
0000FF for .5
FFFF00 for .4
FFCC00 for .3
FFCC00 for .2
FFCCOO for .1
990000 for 0.0
Would be right for me.
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Mr Xofar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.09 05:08:00 -
[77]
It's not just a matter of appeasing or catering to those of us who have the defficiency of color sight, but ANY amount of customizability is welcome in any game UI. Being able to adjust the color of things represented on the screen just happens to be the most useful for color blind/defficient people. It may be that only 8% of the player base is color blind, but it is more likely that a far greater percentage would find the change useful.
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Feng Schui
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:30:00 -
[78]
agreed.
first thing i learned going to school for multimedia was the colorwheel, and how to make thing adaptable so everyone can see whatever, and it is still... pleasing to the eye.
hire meh!
Irony:
A miner grief killing a pirate. You know who you are dear ex-gang member. Why haven't you logged in for the past 2 weeks, hrmm? |
Trixie Naguma
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.10 16:57:00 -
[79]
It's not a highjacking FinrodFelagund. Any and all information is handy to have here, I find it hard to see the sec status as well, well in all honesty, nearly impossible. I just know the dark ones mean bad stuff can happen :)
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When will my picture work? It's been a couple of months now !! |
Felyza
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Posted - 2006.08.15 18:19:00 -
[80]
/signed
not colorblind, but know people that are and this is a problem for them in this and other games
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Peaq
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Posted - 2006.08.15 18:39:00 -
[81]
On the whole "making things easier to see" part. It'd be nice if active, deactive, activating, and deactivating module colors were more pronounced. I have no particular color blindness but the colors are feignt and hard to see sometimes.
Just make the whole button green instead of that faded flashing shadowed green for example.
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FinrodFelagund
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Posted - 2006.08.16 07:16:00 -
[82]
Yeah my little color list there is blues for hisec, yellows-oranges for losec red for nosec.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.16 18:06:00 -
[83]
/signed
You can't really argue with this...
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Izzara
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Posted - 2006.08.22 19:06:00 -
[84]
Just make the client-side interface "XTML" with no hook functions.
and let the players mod it.
I find that even with greater rez , I still cant make things work.
As for the "there is no profit in making a new interface",
I hate to blow this for ya, but the players are the profit of any MMORPG.
Players need to understand that the game company needs players and much as the players need games.
Demand Controls Supply.
Eve is a great game but the interface could use a bit more "Player Side" customization.
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SlyPanther
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:52:00 -
[85]
Would still love to hear some comments from the Dev's again if possible. I know with all the patches and problems lately the forums might not be getting the attention.
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Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
codepic
Mithril Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:23:00 -
[86]
I found a free Photoshop Plug-In called VisiCheckPS which can demonstrate you how color blind people see images, it's available in here:
http://www.vischeck.com/downloads/
Gonna test it myself a bit with photoshop & eve screenshots
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Steven Dynahir
Gallente
Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:32:00 -
[87]
Aww.. I shouldn't.
(Please take note, this might be considered as a rude joke, and if you don't want to see such, do not click =)
Link
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Recruitment
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SlyPanther
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:49:00 -
[88]
lol, I can't see whats in there. That sucks and that is pure EVIL !!
But gave me a laugh and might help out a little to be honest :)
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Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:36:00 -
[89]
A lot of this is simple. Why, in the "Required Skills" section are the red and green blocks the same shape? It would be the easiest thing in the world to make the red a circle and the green a circle with a dot in it or a tick vs a cross or any number of options.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: SlyPanther
lol, I can't see whats in there. That sucks and that is pure EVIL !!
But gave me a laugh and might help out a little to be honest :)
Ummm, that indeed is a pure evil T-Shirt, it says "F**k The Colorblind"
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Das Yad
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:50:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Das Yad on 06/09/2006 17:01:33
Edited by: Das Yad on 06/09/2006 16:52:54
<3 for this thread, also in some enviroments with the different system colours i cant see if certain mods are active or not, like railguns loaded with spike this is exremley fun in fleet battles with the lag & all =[
oh and having a re-read i missed the map post =x its really annoying checking the route manually rather than checking for no red dots when afking =x and the little dots are like tiny =/
and another edit same with the guns its sometimes hard to tell whats agressing me and whats just got me locked in certain systems also
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Roddic
Gallente
The Blood Roses
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Posted - 2006.09.07 00:03:00 -
[92]
just out of curiosity. you tell us what colours you have trouble with. what colours do the colour blind see well.
for example if i was to make a new game, instead of a red/green colour scheme what would be better suited to the colour blind.
If there is more than one form of colour blindness out there, can you list it, and the oppssing colours you see well. (ie. red/green = bad, but blue/yellow = good.)
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BREECE SUNDARES
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Posted - 2006.09.07 01:45:00 -
[93]
Edited by: BREECE SUNDARES on 07/09/2006 01:47:06
Edited by: BREECE SUNDARES on 07/09/2006 01:44:51
on my escape menu there are sliders for red, green and blue under the graphics menu....dont those help any? i can drastically alter the colors on my menus with them. not sure if it helps your condition though.
nvm...just realized it doesnt effect the inside portion of the window where the red/green boxes are......
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SlyPanther
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.07 06:33:00 -
[94]
Thats one of my other issues, not being able to tell in some systems if my weapons or other modules are active or not. I normally have to try and tilt the camera around enough to see if something is active, as with mining lasers it stays on but doesn't do anything. This sometimes happens with webifiers and so on as well, although not often enough at this stage.
Once again I would like to thank everyone for helping out with tips on this thread and for those who have similar problems, if not the same one as myself. I hope CCP jump on the band wagon and maybe even allow us to change some minimal settings like symbols or minor colour's.
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Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
Mary Anne
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Posted - 2006.09.07 09:56:00 -
[95]
needs a bump
Also I cant see, why CCP didnt instantly help 8%-10% of their playerbase. This is a valid request, which needs fixing.
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DrAtomic
Polytope
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.09.07 10:59:00 -
[96]
/signed same problem here red/green, purple/black, green/yellow basicly all pastels or colours that are close to each other.
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The BIG Lottery |
Norris Neophitus
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.07 11:52:00 -
[97]
Yeah i cant ague with this, though eve is a game its good practice to allow for such things as this.
Tho I would like to see some more suggestions from the OP on how eve should be changed to fix this as i dont think the black and white option would work as the backgrounds tend to be dark and black/dark grey would be difficult to see.
Originally by: Wild Rho
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I'm not emo, I just hate my life and no one understands me
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SlyPanther
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.07 17:42:00 -
[98]
We have had a few suggestions as to maybe using symbols as well and leaving the colours the way they are. Giving players the option to be able to change the colours themselves as well. I would even be happy to leave Red as skill needed but change the other one from Green to white or another colour.
If you have a look in the page before hand a few people have put in some threads and one is there with a T-Shirt that has a statement on it that my friends told me what it was as I can not see anything there but lots of dots. So with that in mind it makes people see the difficultly people with the same problem as me have to deal with. In game this can mean life or death, a player flashing red or a green one looks the same. I now actually change my "at war" colour to something else and have it flash at me, this makes for interesting times though :D
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Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
Sovereign533
Caldari
133rd Ghost Wing
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.07 22:16:00 -
[99]
can't you change the settings on your videocard? or windows?
Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus
^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... i'm 1337 now... |
SlyPanther
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.08 03:08:00 -
[100]
I have been asked about the G-Crad before and I dont have a setting in it. This could be due to the fact it's an old card after my good one died last year. And with winblows there "could" be an option, but being windows it's probably hidden and could make things even worse.
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Steve Irwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia ** -RiP- Steve ** |
Sovereign533
Caldari
133rd Ghost Wing
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.08 07:48:00 -
[101]
with Windows XP, i have the option "high contrast" in (i think it's called) Accessability (in english, i have a dutch version of windows). and this gives me options to change the colour displayed by Windows. to only specific colours.
that doesn't work?
Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus
^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... i'm 1337 now... |
Steven Dynahir
Gallente
Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj
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Posted - 2006.09.08 09:11:00 -
[102]
Quote:
for example if i was to make a new game, instead of a red/green colour scheme what would be better suited to the colour blind.
Red = Green = Red (99% cases of Colourblindness, others are yellow/blue or something like that. So basically if one wan't "perfect" colours, use black&white)
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Recruitment
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Piotr Anatolev
Gallente
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:42:00 -
[103]
Definatley.
Me not having issues with colors, I do have issues with me eyes. The chat windows have 3 different size character settings, why not the rest of the UI as well as colors.
This is something ccp definately should look into.
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Kraven Kor
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.22 21:52:00 -
[104]
Not that I really want to see much in the way of resources pulled away from other important stuff, but...
what about a skinnable UI? Or at least UI customizations to include changing all color-sensitive cues.
For instance, the icon brackets around ships locking or firing at you -- let them change it to something they can make out.
This could solve a number of issues, like maybe letting me move my drones window around and minimizing it seperate from my overview. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?
Strength through Unity, Discipline, and Honor! |
ChronoLynx
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.24 09:17:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Mandrake
I looked up color blindness on wikipedia and was surprised to see that roughly 8% of males are colorblind (women 0.4%).
As iŚm not colorblind i would appreciate some input on what aspects of the game could be improved to benifit the color blind population of eve.
ps. being color blind is not all bad... in select situations color blind people have advantages over people with normal color vision. Color blind hunters are better at picking out prey against a confusing background, and the military have found that color blind soldiers can sometimes see through camouflage that fools everyone else. - wikipedia.org
Here is a site to see what the colour blind see.
http://colorfilter.wickline.org/
Pretty neat shtuff if you ask me!
Elitest Carebear with Fangs and Claws |
ChronoLynx
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.24 09:38:00 -
[106]
Sorry about a double post but as about 50% of my RL friends are colour blind I have to do this...
1). Non-Colour Blind Person
2). Colour Blind Person without Red Cones
3). Colour Blind Person without Green Cones
4). Colour Blind Person without Blue Cones... who cares
Sorry about the huge spam of images... change it if you want!
Elitest Carebear with Fangs and Claws |
More Ahn
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:17:00 -
[107]
I'm hoping you mis-posted those images, Chrono... they all look the same from here. |
Aron Palatine
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:42:00 -
[108]
This needs a sticky,
And some more DEV intervention.
This issue ties in VERY nicly with my/the idea for a WOW-Style Customizable interface.
Yes, this will take time. Yes, this will be something that could be difficult to do.
HOWEVER:
The Players Want It.
Give It To Us.
That's as easy as I can say it.
I say we've got 100+ posts of Ayes, and only 1 Nay (which is really a Aye in desguise).
I personally would be happier with a custom UI before I got any more content.
Is there room for abuse? Maybe, but the ability to have sooooo many problems solved is just staggering.
/Signed.
/Bumpage too.
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ChronoLynx
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:49:00 -
[109]
Edited by: ChronoLynx on 26/11/2006 20:49:39
Originally by: More Ahn
I'm hoping you mis-posted those images, Chrono... they all look the same from here.
More Ahn, you are colour blind... |
Quarc
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Posted - 2006.11.27 10:58:00 -
[110]
/sign
No reason not to?
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Vellaron
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Posted - 2006.11.27 20:44:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Vellaron on 27/11/2006 20:59:10
About 10% of males are red-green color blind. Approx 1 in 20 or 5.00% or 13.6 million people in USA. Considering that what? 95% of MMO gamers are male if you had 20,000 subscribers playing then 1950 would be having real difficulty in many areas of EVE.
The new scanning probe system has red, yellow and green to measure the quality of the results that get returned (see image: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=430608). Yeah, color blind people cant tell the difference. So a simple solution would be to add dots into the icon, lets say 3 small stylish dots beside or above the circle indicate a full strength result and 1 dot would represent a poor result. You can also use for example in the skill prerequisites have red crosses and green ticks to distinguish by shape as well as color.
Maybe a better solution would be to just add an advanced colors section to the options menu. You can already change the color of the overall interface so i wouldnt think its too much work to let people customise on a more granular level. If i could change the colors of key areas, general alert and notification indicators and such then it would be perfect. Maybe what we could do in this thread is come up with a list of areas that give us the most trouble.
One place i really have trouble with is the flashing red plate behind someones name in the overview, people who are hostile to me and that i can attack. It appears to be quite a dark shade and i have to really look hard to distinguish it.
While im on the subject, changing the interface scale like you can in world of warcraft would be great. I would love to play at a higher resolution but im currently forced to play on 1440x900 because 1920x1200 is just far too small to read anything.
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ChronoLynx
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:07:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Vellaron
Edited by: Vellaron on 27/11/2006 20:59:10
Considering that what? 95% of MMO gamers are male if you had 20,000 subscribers playing then 1950 would be having real difficulty in many areas of EVE.
This is laughable. TBH about 1/3 or 2/5 people who play MMOs are females now. Females have found there way into the gaming community and kick my ass everytime I play games with them.
But back to more important matters, lets say that 10% of the eve community is colour blind and at last count there were 130,000 subsciber. That is about 13,000 people are colourblind assuming no-one has alts. |
Wertoc
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.29 05:03:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Wertoc on 29/11/2006 05:05:40
I agree but im not color blind, but it so frustrating when you are activating 8 turrets, and you cant see if they are already activated or not, it must be an very easy way to fix this 'bug' cause this one has been around for too long, scale upp the green/red glow on the modules when de/activated or something...
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:39:00 -
[114]
Originally by: SlyPanther
Edited by: SlyPanther on 25/05/2006 14:33:41
Yes, I spelt Colour with a U, thats how it's done before any replies.
Ok, what I would like and I have mailed the team about before, this would be about 6months or more ago I did this, is a mod that would allow me to change certain colour options in game. When I view the market I can not tell just glancing at a module if I can use it without going into details and looking at the skills.
I am in the minority of EVE users who have a colour deficiency, I myself am Red/Green colour deficient. Meaning that I have NFI what the colour I am viewing is when both are next to one another. I have purchased items before when I thought I could use them only to discover that I just wasted 15 milion ISK on something I have to wait a week to use. I am not sure if this could be done with a simple change, but anything would be good for us. Even a small change so I could make it say, black and white for skills needed and known.
Thanks for taking the time to look over the idea.
I don't have this condition but I believe that this would be a good help for people who do.
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Yolo
Caldari
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.30 11:29:00 -
[115]
/signed
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.30 12:38:00 -
[116]
Yup, the whole Colour Blind issue is a big one. I suspect CCP would score big ones if they made the UI more configurable for vision impaired users. So things like font size, colours in prices, etc.
The classic example I give in my lectures on Accessibility is the matrix "take the blue/red pill". Of course, not an exact colour blind example, but a good enough explanation for those who cannot grasp it.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 13:17:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Ithildin on 30/11/2006 13:18:40
Originally by: FinrodFelagund
Edited by: FinrodFelagund on 09/08/2006 04:44:10
/signed as well
My problem is with Security status on the map. I can't really tell teh difference between .3-.6 and its really rather annoying :/
[shamless plug of my other colorblind post]
00FFFF for 1.0
00CCFF for .9
0099FF for .8
0066FF for .7
0033FF for .6
0000FF for .5
FFFF00 for .4
FFCC00 for .3
FFCC00 for .2
FFCCOO for .1
990000 for 0.0
Would be right for me.
I've taken the time to sort of... generate an example of these colours. The colours are:
1.0
0.8
0.6
0.5
0.4
0.2
0.0
EVE-files image
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EVE is sick. |
W1ck3d 8uZz
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.30 13:41:00 -
[118]
/signed
gl
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Major Death
Caldari
Space Salvage Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 14:45:00 -
[119]
/Signed
It would be handy to alter the colour scheme in the game, as the range of colour blindness is quite large, and different schemes would suit different players.
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eeski
Amarr
Shih Yang Tong
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:59:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Grey Area
.
The truth is this problem affects 8% of the playerbase (assuming a reasonable cross section and no prevalance to colour blindness amongst those who regularly use VDU's), and yet a lot of effort will have to be expended into changing the system for the ENTIRE playerbase.
i know u posted this to even things up but 8% of ppl is now for ccp 8000 customers or more as the ppl subscribing is now over 100,000 ppl
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Vorok
Draconis Navitas Aeterna
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:20:00 -
[121]
For the longest time, I thought green and red were really close colors and that individuals such as myself just have trouble distinguishing. Then I'm told they're very different! Wow, that just blew my mind.
I have moderate red-green. It's very hard to distinguish between the two. When I set up my overview, I use blue for friendlies and red for baddies. This makes it nice and easy to tell the difference. I don't see the problem with giving us poor visually impaired folks (heck, and you normal people!) the ability to mess with color schemes or modify/add shapes that label otherwise color-dependant things. We can already modify the color of the EVE windows in general. Would be nice to get some customizability for both asthetic and accessability reasons.
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Phi Crysae
Gallente
Evil Personified
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Posted - 2006.11.30 23:43:00 -
[122]
/signed
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ChronoLynx
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.01 16:17:00 -
[123]
This topic needs sticky methinks... |
SilentBladez
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:06:00 -
[124]
/signed
people have spoken. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.02 11:52:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Andrue on 02/12/2006 11:53:49
Originally by: CaptainSeafort
infact, colourblind/defective people are a lot less rare than you may think, and i made this post in general discussion a while back:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=335868
ps, plz dont revive it as its dead, but its just yet more signatures for your request =)
Thankfully I don't have a problem distinguishing them but my eyes don't see them quite the same so close together I get this weird 3D effect. Red always seems 'higher' than green, lol.
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(Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
Linux is only free if your time is worthless |
Oliar
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:47:00 -
[126]
/sign
I agree completely, it would be a very good idea to implement something for color blind people
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Commander Rice
CAD Inc.
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.29 05:52:00 -
[127]
yay!!! I'm not the only one who has this problem with eve.
I'm bad enough that I can;t even tell if I've turned off my modules. I have a funky color blindness where I'm not only red/green but also blue/purple. (I dono how that happened...but I have NEVER been able to tell the two apart)
Anyway...It's been more than once that I couldn;t see the warp scramble beams from ships or the webbing effect start hitting my ship.
I think it woudl be pretty simple to make a decant patch for this. Maybe make it an optional patch for us colorblind people where effects are a brighter color and opposing things are more distinct. Perhaps just put it as an option in the display. (COLORBINLD MODE)
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.29 19:39:00 -
[128]
/signed
And I offer my help on the matter, since I have a personal interest on accesibility.
Shape would be the best way to distinguish different items. A couple more icons wouldn't hurt.
Regards.
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Vol Jbolaz
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:34:00 -
[129]
While we are accessibility issues...
Would be nice if one could play Eve without having to use the pointer device (mouse). As it is, one does not need to actually click on a ship in space, everything can be handled by interacting with the Overview, and most combat pilots I know do not use the view of space for anything other than situational awareness.
There are menus for every aspect of the game, which is great, but it is not as easy to navigate those menues, using only the keyboard, as it should be.
Mind you, accessibility improvements may make macro and automation easier, but it is not fair to deny a segment of the population just because someone might abuse the considerations they need.
Do address color issues, and if you get the time, address user input.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 21:57:00 -
[130]
/signed
Do it for TOG!
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Larnaca Harris
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:38:00 -
[131]
/signed
My nephew is colour blind. When he was little he painted as picture of a Christmas Tree... it was all brown.
Must have been Dutch Elm disease or something 
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Saraie
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:45:00 -
[132]
/signed
Im also colorblind.
If implemented, I think it would set a precedent.
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Yolo
Caldari
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.31 03:52:00 -
[133]
siiiigneeed
and bumped \o/
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Lorelei Lee
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Posted - 2007.01.08 08:11:00 -
[134]
Do optical filters work at all? My intuition says they should, but then again, I am not colorblind. For example, if you look at the screen through a red filter (like from a 3d goggle), any red on the screen should appear brighter than green of the same intensity.
User configurable colors are definitely a good idea, for accessibility and other reasons, but a filter may provide a temporary solution until that's done.
Can somebody please try this? I would love to know if it works or not -- for Science, of course.
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Artu Stargazer
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Posted - 2007.01.08 23:29:00 -
[135]
I see no reason not to allow extra means of tweaking UI color combinations, both for colorblindness and for customization.
/signed
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Look'Down On'You
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Posted - 2007.01.09 07:32:00 -
[136]
get new eyes, buy them from chinese prisons, they are salvaging. or see if those 3-d red/blue glasses will help.
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Cemial
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Posted - 2007.01.09 21:19:00 -
[137]
/signed
By the way, how many subscriptors have to sign a request like this for a dev/GM to say something like "ok guys we agree with you and we are looking into it. We hope it will be released for the next client patch" ?
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Commander Rice
CAD Inc.
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.01.10 01:03:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Look'Down On'You
get new eyes, buy them from chinese prisons, they are salvaging. or see if those 3-d red/blue glasses will help.
Too bad its not the eyes that's screwed up :P
More often than not its somethign to do with the way the brain interprets the signals the eyes send
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Deacon Esk
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.10 01:57:00 -
[139]
heres a test for all u normal people.
Test
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rikurak
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Posted - 2007.01.10 04:23:00 -
[140]
I'm colourblind and had the same problem with the market at first - turning off transparency and fiddling with the background colours allowed me to find a scheme which made distinguishing between the red and green easier. Black and green would be much better though.
On a related note, as a new player, I can't understand why there isn't the option of a filter on the market to show only items I can use...
/signed
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SonOTassadar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.28 22:25:00 -
[141]
Edited by: SonOTassadar on 28/02/2007 22:21:56
Another colorblind person here. I've taken several different colorblind tests, and its pretty clear I'm very, very colorblind. The military has you take one, a series of those 12 color-splot tests; I answered 4, and I got 2 of those correct. 
Anyways, yeah. Have the exact same problem with seeing what I can and can't use. I already knew I was colorblind before I started playing, plus I always, always look at the 'skills required' under the info. of a module/ship, and I generally have an idea of what skills I have and have not trained, and after staring at the skills required tree long enough, I can determine which are red or green. I could definitely make use of a change like this. If we can't have the options to set colors, something like red and blue, which contrast 10,000 times better than red/green, would make a world of difference.
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GeekWarrior
Gallente
e X i l e
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.01 01:13:00 -
[142]
/signed
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Nayomi
Minmatar
Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.03.05 09:09:00 -
[143]
/signed
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Karina Sasieko
Caldari
MisFunk Inc.
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.03.05 11:36:00 -
[144]
Really games should have some 'accesibility' function nowdays :/
/signed
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Ralle030583
The Phoenix cor
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.03.05 15:26:00 -
[145]
/signed
That would be a huge help to he colorblind players.
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 21:36:00 -
[146]
/sign, and to motivate you, think about the good advertisement that will give you "The first and only mmo that is accessible to color blind".
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CCP t20
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:19:00 -
[147]
Wanted to give you guys an heads up here ... this is definitely being worked on.
A picture says more than 1000 words, so here goes:
This is just the start of many more improvements to make differentiating between green/red as easy as it should be.
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Imuran
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:31:00 -
[148]
Excellent :) The other area I have trouble with is looking at skills on the market where the icon shows if you have the required skills or not. Cannot tell if they are different colours but I suspect they are
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CCP t20
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:33:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Imuran
Excellent :) The other area I have trouble with is looking at skills on the market where the icon shows if you have the required skills or not. Cannot tell if they are different colours but I suspect they are
Originally by: CCP t20
This is just the start of many more improvements to make differentiating between green/red as easy as it should be.
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Vellaron
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Posted - 2007.03.24 02:25:00 -
[150]
Thanks for response CCP, this really is an important issue. /salute
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Chruker
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Posted - 2007.03.24 03:07:00 -
[151]
I noticed the new icons on the test server the other day, so they are coming soon :-)
However as of this moment the market still uses the troublesome squares.
While I'm not colorblind myself, that hasn't prevented me from buying skillsbooks that I already have trained :-) Where are the RL memory implants?
However it would be nice if the market would show which skills I already have trained.
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Kerdrak
Amarr
3B Legio IX
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.24 09:04:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Kerdrak on 24/03/2007 09:02:21
Thank you very much for the effort, I would apreciate a change in the background of the "stars", I canŚt differentiate between "pilot is at war with you" icon and "pilot is in your corporation", so I've decided to eliminate the corp mate icon from overview 
Maybe changing the star for another icon, or changing the background color...
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Emiko Luan
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Posted - 2007.04.22 00:57:00 -
[153]
Thankyou CCP, we are grateful for you caring <3
I still remember one of the reasons I joined EVE was that story about when the Warp Drive Active writer was in a car accident and got a get well letter from CCP, good pubicity goes a long way... I've personally gotten like 4 people to play eve too xD
Thanks again keep up the good work :)
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Antaeras
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Posted - 2007.05.11 00:33:00 -
[154]
This is very important. I am colorblind and have issues with a number of things in EVE, the worst of which is any text written in red - this is almost impossible to read. In most web browsers I can usually workaround sites with horrible font colors by selecting the text (which inverts the color of selected text) - but this doesn't work in EVE.
About 8% of EVE players are colourblind (since 95% are male). Color should be near the top of CCP's todo list as the most prevalent accessibility issue.
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Crazy Yuri
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Posted - 2007.05.11 03:41:00 -
[155]
This is something that is so often overlooked.
/signed
Give users some ability to custom color as there is more than one kind of colorblindness!
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.05.11 07:16:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 11/05/2007 07:14:01
this thread is old... still valid in some points, but today skill requiremts doesn't only use color to display... those X and V looks good too
How big is the problem now then? I guess red text is difficult but its red to help all the rest of us - Im not sure its actually possible replacing red with a command (perhaps make it orange?)
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.11 09:51:00 -
[157]
Add an option in the menu :
"no colored text"!
Or an option to forbid some colors, this way, everyone can forbid the colors he can't see. (as far as I understand, it's not the same color that is missing/modified for every colorblind?)
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Posted - 2007.05.12 19:09:00 -
[158]
Edited by: SketS on 12/05/2007 19:07:14
/signed :-)
devs should deff make this happen so every1 can play it.
*edit*... sees its an old post  didnt read the end page lol
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Sieges
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Posted - 2007.05.12 19:16:00 -
[159]
good idea - /signed
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Quarc
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:09:00 -
[160]
I think it would be a great idea... Why not....
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Kojee
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:03:00 -
[161]
It's gotten worse for me with Revelations II. The overload bit on the UI messes me up. I can't tell the difference between online modules of modules that are in their last cycle.
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EadTaes
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:21:00 -
[162]
/signed
And you having trouble knowing if you mods are on or on the last cycle or off i can understand. Because sometimes my modual might be on but because of the background i think its off and i try to turn it on but i actually turn it off. At which point teh red is easy to discern. And i ain't color blind.
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Erika Strada
Minmatar
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:51:00 -
[163]
/signed
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Deseron
Infinity Zone
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:30:00 -
[164]
\signed_{Deseron}
I'm red-green colorblind myself; one thing I've had problem with is being able to see which modules are active/deactive and the HP of targets--under some backgrounds I can't see the difference of the gray and red. Even though I have a 20" widescreen LCD monitor, I found the "Widescreen" option in Eve is very useful and is already in the current client!
Go into the menu, Graphics tab, In the "Display Setup" box--at the top in the middle of the menu--check on "Widescreen". When docked you won't be able to notice it, but when you undock you'll have a nice black bar on the top and bottom of the screen.
I'm assuming the bars are scalable and--at least for me--those black bars are just wide enough to cover the targets icons at the top and the module icons at the bottom. I've been using this and has help out tremendously.
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Solbright altaltalt
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.07.28 06:24:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Deseron
Go into the menu, Graphics tab, In the "Display Setup" box--at the top in the middle of the menu--check on "Widescreen". When docked you won't be able to notice it, but when you undock you'll have a nice black bar on the top and bottom of the screen.
Lol, good to see that option is useful for something. :P
For those that are stressing over the module active indication, I recommend a vote for Module Duration Clock. Will be helpful for all. :)
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Ka5pian
Gallente
Cylon Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.01 12:34:00 -
[166]
/signed
Come on devs, I'm sure there's probably some Disability Discrimination law you are infringing here by not addressing this issue.
Originally by: Morn Judith
It's like beating a dead horse WITH a dead horse.
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Nama Saya
Chickens with an Attitude
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Posted - 2007.08.01 16:37:00 -
[167]
/signed
I can see the colours but understand your point and hope that CCP makes it happen!
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
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Minai X
My Jump Clone Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.06 21:44:00 -
[168]
/signed
I have exactly the same deficiency. I have to tell some stuff by bright difference in EVE UI. Not easy at all.
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Rakaim
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Posted - 2007.08.18 03:26:00 -
[169]
Amazing, I never gave it any thought but this is probably why CCP changed the required skills from Red and Green boxes to Checks + X'es. Applause! Keep it up!
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.18 05:17:00 -
[170]
then they out heat in the game ignoring the color blind... thanks CCP...
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Tempest Kane
Amarr
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.14 17:16:00 -
[171]
signed.
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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2007.09.15 02:38:00 -
[172]
signed
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Major Death
Caldari
Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.09.18 13:13:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Major Death on 18/09/2007 13:13:31
I cannot see dark/medium red text on a black background. This is problematic as it is a common game feature (low sec warnings in missions, drone control in the UI, e.t.c.).
/signed (again)
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Tonto Auri
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Posted - 2007.09.18 14:49:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Major Death
Edited by: Major Death on 18/09/2007 13:13:31
I cannot see dark/medium red text on a black background. This is problematic as it is a common game feature (low sec warnings in missions, drone control in the UI, e.t.c.).
/signed (again)
For Your case, I think I can offer enough simple solution.
If Your videocard allows that, go to color correction page and tweak it as follows (writing from memory..):
Gamma: 1.4
Contrast: 97%
Brightness: 104%
If You have colour curve as in old nVidia drivers, it should look like
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.09.18 20:27:00 -
[175]
tiptip a interface colour shift would be nice, so you can actually see those stupid flashing green on your active modules :(
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Cyreen Archer
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Posted - 2007.10.10 13:15:00 -
[176]
Yup, an interface colourshift would be nice for activated modules!
I'm colourblind myself, and i got some real hard times seeing if modules are activated or not, especially if there are any bright nebulae in the background (in many missions)
either to let players choose in which colour active modules blink or through adding a symbol of some sort.
I've played Dark Age of Camelot for several years before starting with EvE, and they had added diffrent signs like ! and * to the names, together with colouring them to show groupmate status (very important for healers like me)
Besides, *debuff* symbols for warpscrambled/webbed/painted/tracking disrupted and so on would be quite nice too
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Gerrard DuNord
Strix Armaments and Defence
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.28 01:56:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Gerrard DuNord on 28/10/2007 01:57:57
Just to add to this thread, I too am one of the 8% that suffers red/green colourblindness. The biggest issue is telling whether modules are on or off. As a number of the backdrops in space feature a large amount of red this can be a big problem. A an EWAR scorp pilot I have up to seven jammers running and cant tell which of the damn things are on or off without staring at them for a good while, which is not wise in the middle of a fight!
The simplest solution would be to allow those colours to be toggled in the graphics options. I say simplest, I'm no programmer so I don't know how hard this would be.
I appreciate the efforts some people have gone to to post pictures to give an idea of the effect it has, but to be honest I'm not sure a non colourblind person can get their heads around it. The easiest way is to put some tape over your screen so you cant see your module status and try to have a fight! That's what it can be like for people who have this issue. Fortunately for me it's not severe colourblindness, but even with a mild case like mine it can be a real problem.
Please do prioritise this, you'll make 8% of your customers very happy people.
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Neu Bastian
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Posted - 2007.10.28 02:26:00 -
[178]
/sign
make it a sticky too!
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Dotard
Minmatar
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.28 06:27:00 -
[179]
/signed.
I have color blindness also. Must, as another said, stare at the modules for a while before I can tell if they are on or off. Or I must consistantly spin my view around to get a different color/lack of color in the background to see many things.
My color deficency is pretty severe, so I been told by the eye-ball doctors, encompassing many colors in the spectrum. I just do not see what the majority of you see.
Basterds for telling me this as I was perfectly happy with sunsets, prisms, rainbows and fields of flowers until I was told I am not seeing the whole spectrum of color and hue. But I degress........(<--sp?)
So character identifiers, as another suggested, such as !, *, + or - would solve many problems I have playing this game.
It is the sole reason I suk at EvE, no other ().
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Secondus Dawkins
Fade to Black Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.22 19:53:00 -
[180]
Also Red/green colourblind, and thanks for fixing the skills. Xs, Os and checkmarks were brilliant. As everyone else has said, modules remain a difficulty.
Even more important for me is the overview. I wandered into empire recently (which I hadn't done in months) to grab something off a friend. When I exited the station I saw what I thought was a member of my alliance, but they started targeting me
now, I was warping off anyway, so I left before they could lock, but as I was leaving I checked their info and found that they were a war target! I've tweaked my overview slightly, but it is nowhere near perfect. better would be if there were more icons instead of just a ton of different colours. Plus, minus, star, skull and little person are all good, but perhaps an X, O, checkmark (I know you guys already have the icons ready, see how easy I'm making it) and perhaps some others would help.
Thanks again for the skill interface tweak.
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Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2008.02.17 03:29:00 -
[181]
SIGNED!
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WardogX
Minmatar
Outkasts
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Posted - 2008.02.17 11:11:00 -
[182]
This is a cool thread and happy to see devs embrace it. Not many mmo's (none that i know of actually) take the time to make their games helpful for the vision impaired.
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Horatius Caul
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.02.17 14:05:00 -
[183]
I'm not colourblind, but if this can help more people enjoy the game I shall support them by signing this suggestion.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:37:00 -
[184]
Somethign that color blind peopel coudl do is mail this concerns to NVIDIA and ATI. Its incredly simple to make on a prograbmable GPU to automatically re-distribute colors to for example remove red and redistribute all the color squeme without it.
An option to have this buil in on drivers woudl be a lovely solution I would dare to say.
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Osku Rei
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.17 20:46:00 -
[185]
I'm not colourblind myself, but i'll definatily sign this out of compassion.
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Alberic Nydorm
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Posted - 2008.02.17 21:47:00 -
[186]
Signed.
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Brother Welcome
Amarr
Icarus' Wings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.18 15:42:00 -
[187]
/signed
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Krats
The Pioneers
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Posted - 2008.02.18 16:41:00 -
[188]
/signed
I am also red/green colourblind and it is good to see CCP making some improvements to the UI for people suffering from this.
There is no 'cure' for the condition however some of you may be interested to know that it is possible to get glasses/contact lenses that can help. By tinting the colour of one lens the eyes can learn to differentiate between colours to the point where you can perform as well as someone with normal vision in the Ishihara dot tests.
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Minerva Richie
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.18 11:28:00 -
[189]
Just a /sign. Red/Green flashing modules are still problematic, especially against certain nebulae background.
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Bill Andrex
The Knights Templar
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 12:24:00 -
[190]
I am not colour blind but fully appreciate the problem. Please fix this CCP.
Signed.
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DanVanCrone
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.27 08:43:00 -
[191]
Edited by: DanVanCrone on 27/03/2008 08:44:11
signed.
I also thought about this today, after listening to a radio item about colour blindness whilst playing eve, and found this thread started by SlyPanther.
Obviously CCP should want to do this for you guys affected, but from a purely commercial point of view they should put A LOT of effort into it, as approx 7% of the male population has a colour blindness of some sort.
I myself don't have colour blindness, but i can see this would be a great help to a lot of players.
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Galvatr0n
LEGI0N
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Posted - 2008.03.27 10:17:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Rabbitgod
What we see. before red/green filter.
What he sees. After red/green filter.
That sucks.
/signed.
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Kirgan
Pyrognome
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:41:00 -
[193]
I cannot see a reason why this shouldn't be implimented.
/Signed
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Seth Ruin
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:50:00 -
[194]
There was another thread similar to this back when heat was first introduced and the modules in the UI changed to their current state. Just as then, I completely agree now.
As a matter of fact, I'd say it's quite irresponsible of CCP not to make their game colorblind-friendly or allow for colorblind-friendly modifications.
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Akiba Penrose
Minmatar
PAK
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Posted - 2008.04.17 12:30:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Akiba Penrose on 17/04/2008 12:31:08
/Signed
In some systems i have no idea if my modules are active or unactive, or in the process of going unactive (blinking red).
I need to hower the cursor over every module to see its status,,
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Tawrich Tistrya
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Posted - 2008.04.17 13:33:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Seth Ruin
There was another thread similar to this back when heat was first introduced and the modules in the UI changed to their current state. Just as then, I completely agree now.
As a matter of fact, I'd say it's quite irresponsible of CCP not to make their game colorblind-friendly or allow for colorblind-friendly modifications.
/signed , it is however not ccp's responsibility to make the game colourblind friendly and as such we should appreciate them willing to make adaptations for those who have this form of impairment. CCP delivered us a product which we could choose to use or not , they are in no way responsible for making this game more accessable to anyone.
Eventhough i have my share of annoyances with ie. bugs not being fixed etc i will say this:
Thank you for caring CCP
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Blighted Hopes
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:44:00 -
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I have problem with the colors in EVE - when I lock the target if it is in space I can't see HP. I can't distinguish how much life is left. I have to rotate the camera every time so that I can see the drones and the targets in front of a bright cloud. When it comes to missions it's not problem at all but when it comes to rats it's hell of a problem. I don't want to speak about PvP situations.
I would be glad if there is option after the target is locked its color to become brighter to differ from the HP lines. Something like the resists but better because I can't distinguish them either. |
Rhamnousia
Caldari
Pelennor Swarm
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.16 09:26:00 -
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Also, colours differentiating are needed for locked targets. A row of targets (in my case, a column) gets a tad confusing when you're playing the spider tanking or micro managing your drones, guns, other mods.
I just want to be able to distinguish between my corpmates that I'm about to remote repairing and the guy I'm supposed to shoot without having to read through the names. Trust me, having 6+ targets locked at any given time in a fight is tiring when you have to read the names every single time.
another thing that prolly doesn't fit here is that when you switch the locked targets to vertical, the names and corp of that pilot need to stand beside the picture, not under it. to save space for a simple plus, minus, star or equal sign. these standings show in real time in corp chat, alliance chat, overview, and every other aspect of the game except the locked targets row/column.
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Killer Kelly
Caldari
Allied Tactical Unit
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.16 09:55:00 -
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I am also Red/Green colorblind and I sometimes have trouble distinguishing war targets from alliance members in local chat.
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Kitoba
Minmatar
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: DanVanCrone
Obviously CCP should want to do this for you guys affected, but from a purely commercial point of view they should put A LOT of effort into it, as approx 7% of the male population has a colour blindness of some sort.
Out of those, though, 90% have deuteranomaly (look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness), also called red/green weakness, though it could very well be also be called khaki strength. They have no problem whatsoever distinguishing red and green, though their decisions on what colour blends well with another colour might astonish you.
Real colour blinds and dichromats are _really_ rare.
That said, though, shape-based indicators would help everyone, don't require that much effort and fix the issue for I guess everyone who wouldn't need a personalised client.
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FroztByteUK
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:25:00 -
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/signed
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Kailiani
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Posted - 2008.05.16 23:30:00 -
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Agreed
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Stephannus Calimben
Trill Crabulas
Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.05.30 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: Stephannus Calimben on 30/05/2008 07:33:48
necro!
/signed, this **** ****es me off
Click here and support this issue in the assembly hall!!!
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Rach NiKunni
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:37:00 -
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I have protanopia which is a fairly pronounced kind of colour-blindness. You have no idea how much time I spend spinning my ship around in space trying to find an empty black spot so I can see if my modules are turned on or off! When the mods are flashing the difference in contrast simply isn't enough to see it unless they're over a black background.
What I would like to see is an option to turn off the background in space and turn it black. That would help enormously in fights. For the rest I don't really have too many problems. I usually know which crystals I have loaded and it's only an issue if I miss click, for example, on "microwave" when I was going for "standard". When that happens I don't notice the difference at all.
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