I've never understood ganking miners, personally. mining ships are fit with things that aren't very lucrative when they drop and the tears are no different than anyone else's.

Oh, but miner tears ARE much better. About 1 out of 3 miners will throw profanities at you, and maybe 1 in 20 will call real life death threats. The latter is a bit intimidating on the occasion, but mostly they are a hilarious read.

There's nothing to discuss. Play the game however the way you want to play it.

~ Fin ~

well that was brisk of you.

There's nothing to discuss.

I saw an interesting conversation between a few important-ish CFC members.

Being a self hating miner is the new "in" thing. Nowadays I just take a big swig straight out of the bottle, fire up an alt in a Catalyst and blow my own Venture up.

It's just the rhetoric around it that is becoming stale.

Recent information appears to show that "mining" is bigger than pvp

Recent information appears to show that "mining" is bigger than pvp

More take part in this activity than any other.

While I do not object to that in itself, I always wondered why miners got the brunt end of it while mission runners, haulers, PIers, manufacturers, and scores of other AFK income activities are largely ignored.

The only thing you have to worry about is that moment when you outsmart yourself by fitting a bit of tank you never expected yourself to have.

That's the point where you had better stop drinking and consider you might need help.

I've never understood ganking miners, personally. mining ships are fit with things that aren't very lucrative when they drop and the tears are no different than anyone else's.

i get ganking mission runners in their blinged out ships, or freighters carrying too much cargo... but miners? ok.
unless miner tears cure cancer or something...

i guess i don't have the patience to wait around for them to get back to their keyboards to send me hate mail. *shrug*

Principle of least resistance. Miners are sitting out in space, without any accelleration gates (missions), without being on-grid for just a few seconds a week (PI), without being docked 99% of the time (manufacturing). They get the brunt end because they are so available most of the time and cost the least effort to gank.

*sips orange juice*

When I was a teenager I posted on this forum that's now long dead.
I had a thing for a while where if I had nothing to say on a topic I'd post a picture of a rubber duck. The same picture each time.
You remind me of that.

It's the lowest hanging fruit on the victim side,
for the lowest hanging fruit on the ganker side.

An activity that is about the get even more profitable and easy I might add.

Like everything in Eve... it ebb and flows. People get bored of certain types of activities, move on to other things. It'll cycle around again to miners getting harassed again eventually as the hot topic. Besides, it still happens, just people don't make that big of a deal out of it anymore like they used to. Just give it a while... you'll see The New Order in the forums again, spouting how virtuous and wonderful they are when they realize no one is paying them much attention these days.

an npc character claiming he has a spy alt

lawl

Not even slightly true, in fact if logic values were cyclical your statement would be so false as to approach truth.

When has anything in EvE been "cool"?

Those fireworks were pretty rad lol

I've never understood ganking miners, personally. mining ships are fit with things that aren't very lucrative when they drop and the tears are no different than anyone else's.

i get ganking mission runners in their blinged out ships, or freighters carrying too much cargo... but miners? ok.
unless miner tears cure cancer or something...

The only Substantiated tears to cure cancer are those from Chuck Norris. Too bad he NEVER cries.

Too bad you have no idea what I actually wrote.

Want me to explain it in a way even you understand it? :)

*noms chocolate*

Well, we would hope the miners would eventually adapt to do something to make content.

And to OPs question of why miners get the brunt of it whiel there are others afk out there: miners just sit in an easily warpable location and do nothing. The amount of effort in finding a miner capable of being ganked is astronomically low.

they were warned about wanting fitting slots on freighters.

I warned them

Now they suffer

A goon claiming they do not have NPC alts to move stuff in and out of Jita.

Lawl.

I warned them

Now they suffer

The CODE idiots and Jimmy457 (or whatever his name is) will be back from the fat camp their moms shipped them off to in a couple of months. Fatter than ever I might add.

The ego is stronk on this one.

by content you mean a miner gets on his pvp ship for revenge only to find the ganker 100% safed up in a station thanks to ccps welfare protection? that kinda content?

The ego is stronk on this one.

Simply stating a fact.

It's true though. He did warn them. So did I. And now my freighters will be made awful.

It's true though. He did warn them. So did I. And now my freighters will be made awful.

You do still have the Orca, which with the hull rigs will be nigh invincible.

Ganking and bumping miners never gets old. It's the source of endless joy, buckets of tears and piles of ISK.

That's true, I suppose. I'm trying to think what there will be in highsec that will be harder to blow up. Some of the more bonkers T3 setups and the Damnation, maybe?

On a more serious note:

I never really much cared for suicide ganking. Did it a few times, but it just didn't do anything for me. I've considered getting into ganking mission runners as a potential source of income.

So let me get this right...

"The Great Blue Donut", that you helped create, in no way provides enough income for you?

GTFO.

www.swingandamiss.co.uk

If for instance suicide ganking became too prevalent, then mining would cease to be profitable and people would stop mining. Simple as that.

If ganking stopped a huge number of people from mining it would actually make it more profitable, not less. That would require an astronomical increase in the amount of mining ships going boom, though.

If ganking stopped a huge number of people from mining it would actually make it more profitable, not less. That would require an astronomical increase in the amount of mining ships going boom, though.

Site does not exist.
I'm very upset by this.

Someone needs to register it pronto and put in the required content.

Pilot Nerun, LET me remind you sir, that in the coming time the tables will be turned on you and your kind

So let me get this right...

"The Great Blue Donut", that you helped create, in no way provides enough income for you?

GTFO.

I actually have to "do things" in order to "get ISK".

In today's climate, ganking is as old as Eve itself I'm sure and some things never change, and never will. I am however pretty convinced that after witnessing many attacks on miners that you so graciously "ENJOY" the aftermath of a kill in Hisec. I am sure your killboard reflects that as well. I am convinced sir that as far as you are concerned you go to bed at night with absolutely no remorse for your actions, sure it's just a game mind you but sometimes ingame attitudes gets taken back to reality and from there who knows.

When one such as you kill a mining ship and pod kill the miner, I am sure you are overjoyed to get very little out of the wrecks if anything at all save for implants and hard wiring. I am sure you are so overcome with joy when the miner raises the roof with you in local and that you just sit there at your computer laughing at the fool you are. I am sure you're fattening your wallet everytime you act in the matter to which you have publicly displayed.

We all have started from day One (1) in a little rookie ship of some sort. Where do you think that rookie ship came from?? Did it just appear magically out of the vacumn of space??

I am sure your killboard reflects that as well.

If for instance suicide ganking became too prevalent, then mining would cease to be profitable and people would stop mining. Simple as that.

The joy comes of course from the fact that I helped that miner become a better player and even better person by teaching him a vital lesson about the game and the CODE, which is of course the law in Highsec. You seam to forget that we are the good guys in Highsec, always ready to help the miners with leadership, order and our friendship.

We help to stabilize this vital part of the game from where almost all the resources for our ships come from. I think we can both agree that this important profession needs reliable and healthy pilots which follow the law and make us all proud to be citizens of Highsec.

When I look into my system and it's only populated with responsive and kind people all with their mining permits ready to prove their loyalties to James 315 and The New Order, then I know I am doing the right thing and make a difference.

You can make a difference too, all it needs is faith in the CODE and some SP in Gallente Destroyer

The joy comes of course from the fact that I helped that miner become a better player and even better person by teaching him a vital lesson about the game and the CODE, which is of course the law in Highsec. You seam to forget that we are the good guys in Highsec, always ready to help the miners with leadership, order and our friendship.

We help to stabilize this vital part of the game from where almost all the resources for our ships come from. I think we can both agree that this important profession needs reliable and healthy pilots which follow the law and make us all proud to be citizens of Highsec.

When I look into my system and it's only populated with responsive and kind people all with their mining permits ready to prove their loyalties to James 315 and The New Order, then I know I am doing the right thing and make a difference.

You can make a difference too, all it needs is faith in the CODE and some SP in Gallente Destroyer

When has anything in EvE been "cool"?

I would say space is fairly chilly.

You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.
Hisec is an endless vending machine of big tasty kills and tears.
Low and Null is a vast and unforgiving desert, which you must journey through and survive for the chance at some choice gems.

Which are most people going to chose?

You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.

The joy comes of course from the fact that I helped that miner become a better player and even better person by teaching him a vital lesson about the game and the CODE, which is of course the law in Highsec. You seam to forget that we are the good guys in Highsec, always ready to help the miners with leadership, order and our friendship.

We help to stabilize this vital part of the game from where almost all the resources for our ships come from. I think we can both agree that this important profession needs reliable and healthy pilots which follow the law and make us all proud to be citizens of Highsec.

When I look into my system and it's only populated with responsive and kind people all with their mining permits ready to prove their loyalties to James 315 and The New Order, then I know I am doing the right thing and make a difference.

You can make a difference too, all it needs is faith in the CODE and some SP in Gallente Destroyer

Trolling is timeless.

Ultimately the people who are responsible for all the grief that miners get are the CCP devs themselves.

If they gave the players more interesting content they wouldn't have time to harass miners.

Ultimately the people who are responsible for all the grief that miners get are the CCP devs themselves.

If they gave the players more interesting content they wouldn't have time to harass miners.

The devs aren't responsible for content.
This game doesn t work that way.

Besides, there is no amount of content any reasonable amount of devs could create,
that's not grinded through in a short amount of time.

The issue isn't content or tools to create such, but people themselves.

I'll give you 50% of the problem is people themselves. Generally people find the best places to get the most fun out of the game in whatever way they fancy. Yes, one could spend hours and hours trying to squeeze a few nice stories or kills out of the content desert that is low and null, or they could go to hisec and have such opportunities literally surround them every time they undock. So yes, if you want to blame people for being somewhat rational actors, okay, I guess you could, but it is silly. I'm not too broken up over it - I too would want to actually see something explode when I log in, rather than just system after system of people docking up.

Confirming that The New Order and CODE. come off as 12 year old white kids trying to act gangsta.

Seriously, that analogy pretty much sums up the image I have of them.

It's at least 8 years old, but new players come and want to be cool and it's fun for them to say

"look I'm cool to guise, ima make a post about killin miners tahahehehee"

It's humor is on the level of decade old regurgitated memes

Whereas your toon's name is the epitome of class, right?

It's humor is on the level of decade old regurgitated memes

I have no idea who you even are.

The joy comes of course from the fact that I helped that miner become a better player and even better person by teaching him a vital lesson about the game and the CODE, which is of course the law in Highsec. You seam to forget that we are the good guys in Highsec, always ready to help the miners with leadership, order and our friendship.

We help to stabilize this vital part of the game from where almost all the resources for our ships come from. I think we can both agree that this important profession needs reliable and healthy pilots which follow the law and make us all proud to be citizens of Highsec.

When I look into my system and it's only populated with responsive and kind people all with their mining permits ready to prove their loyalties to James 315 and The New Order, then I know I am doing the right thing and make a difference.

You can make a difference too, all it needs is faith in the CODE and some SP in Gallente Destroyer

Instead of all this needless typing, you can just say "Please notice us, we're relevant! I promise!"

To be fair, the fact that people enjoy talking about them either for or against makes them more relevant to modern EvE than the vast majority of ten-a-penny mining outfits and supposed anti-ganker squads out there.

looks like 50% of those are alts of NO and other are just bored trolls....

To be fair, the fact that people enjoy talking about them either for or against makes them more relevant to modern EvE than the vast majority of ten-a-penny mining outfits and supposed anti-ganker squads out there.

True, although
The louder you scream, the more you are heard. I've tried fighting them in a wardec (They Dec'd us), they weren't all too interested in PVP beyond miners.

Is trolling miners becoming less cool?
Discuss!

Wait, you're telling me it's cool to troll miners!!?

I've never understood ganking miners, personally. mining ships are fit with things that aren't very lucrative when they drop and the tears are no different than anyone else's.

i get ganking mission runners in their blinged out ships, or freighters carrying too much cargo... but miners? ok.
unless miner tears cure cancer or something...

content created

how could it when following the Code keeps you safe?

The quoted paragraph was written by me for a different context. Please keep me out of this, thanks!

I've never understood ganking miners, personally. mining ships are fit with things that aren't very lucrative when they drop and the tears are no different than anyone else's.

i get ganking mission runners in their blinged out ships, or freighters carrying too much cargo... but miners? ok.
unless miner tears cure cancer or something...

So I hear getting a toon into the minerbumping chat channel is considered a "spy alt" now days.

If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet!

Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:



So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing.

Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:

some would argue they already don't have anything to put in their blogs.

But even then, if it's worth $15 a month to extract tears then go for it because you are never going to PLEX an account as a highsec miner-ganker.

No ability to move quickly

No tank

No active defense

Does not believe in natural predators

Very specific diet (miners)

Cannot adapt

The joy comes of course from the fact that I helped that miner become a better player and even better person by teaching him a vital lesson about the game and the CODE, which is of course the law in Highsec. You seam to forget that we are the good guys in Highsec, always ready to help the miners with leadership, order and our friendship.

We help to stabilize this vital part of the game from where almost all the resources for our ships come from. I think we can both agree that this important profession needs reliable and healthy pilots which follow the law and make us all proud to be citizens of Highsec.

When I look into my system and it's only populated with responsive and kind people all with their mining permits ready to prove their loyalties to James 315 and The New Order, then I know I am doing the right thing and make a difference.

You can make a difference too, all it needs is faith in the CODE and some SP in Gallente Destroyer

What do you guys think?

One of my spy alts was in a CFC chat channel and I saw an interesting conversation between a few important-ish CFC members. They we're discussing a recent article on minerbumping.com and how funny it was, but also went on to comment on how "lame" and "old" griefing miners in high-sec is getting. They seemed amused still by the content created but seemed to have no interest in furthering their commitment in helping create it themselves.

One of the members made a comment that hit home. Loosely paraphrased he stated, "it just seems like the cool thing to do, and I have no interest grouping up with mindless sheep."

To me this makes sense. I've ganked a many dozen mining barges, freighters, orcas, marauders, but never under the motivation of simply trolling the person behind the keyboard. While I do not object to that in itself, I always wondered why miners got the brunt end of it while mission runners, haulers, PIers, manufacturers, and scores of other AFK income activities are largely ignored. IMO the most logical reason was given by the CFC members above.

Discuss!

Whereas the New Order might have been an interesting angle a while back, any time someone mentions them, I have an image of smeared mayonnaise...

Miner trolling was never cool to anyone that wasn't a miner troll. If you're asking if that pool of individuals is shrinking, then I can't help you - but I doubt it.

Most everyone else recognizes the activity as a mere time sink, light on - if not utterly devoid of - a sense of long-term accomplishment. Hell, as a matter of little more than some simple accounting to maintain sustainability - at most - it's even light on short-term accomplishment. All you get is a (very) temporary emotional rise out of someone, which you could do much more efficiently merely by asking for a sandwich on any comment thread at Jezebel.

TL;DR - Miner trolls are the MIMAFer's of the griefing realm: They perpetually engage in an inefficient, watered-down version of their hobby because they're just too damned proud of themselves to see how tragically pathetic they are. This was never cool to anyone but them.

sounds Iike the ganker in his cataIyst.

Really?

Catalysts are fast

They have more tank that a Retriever by quite some amount

They often have active defense i.e. guns and active tanking modules

CONCORD are their natural predator

Their diet as is very well proved is miners, transports, freighters and often combat ships that try to stop them in belts

They adapted to using Tornadoes when the sensible good miners switched to Procs

So... tell me again how this sounds like a Ganker please?

Really
Catalyst doesn't need a speed. You warp, shoot and die.

They have about 3k EHP, retriever has about 9k (again: catalyst needs full damage and not tank)

Guns are not 'active defense' and no active tanks are present on ganking catalysts

CONCORD is not predator. It is just inevitable death. It happens at completely predictable moment and does what it is supposed to do.

Diet is very specific: untanked or low-defense ships mostly flying AFK and solo.

Switching to tornadoes moves us to another thread. Here we speak about ganking catalysts.

So again: all above describes gankers in catalysts wery well.

Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:



So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing.

What do you guys think?

One of my spy alts was in a CFC chat channel and I saw an interesting conversation between a few important-ish CFC members. They we're discussing a recent article on minerbumping.com and how funny it was, but also went on to comment on how "lame" and "old" griefing miners in high-sec is getting. They seemed amused still by the content created but seemed to have no interest in furthering their commitment in helping create it themselves.

One of the members made a comment that hit home. Loosely paraphrased he stated, "it just seems like the cool thing to do, and I have no interest grouping up with mindless sheep."

To me this makes sense. I've ganked a many dozen mining barges, freighters, orcas, marauders, but never under the motivation of simply trolling the person behind the keyboard. While I do not object to that in itself, I always wondered why miners got the brunt end of it while mission runners, haulers, PIers, manufacturers, and scores of other AFK income activities are largely ignored. IMO the most logical reason was given by the CFC members above.

Discuss!

Trolling was ever cool? Trolling is what nerds who got bullied in high school do to finally feel like the bully for a change...

Wow grats...I never considered the N.O to be spy worthty?

I've never understood ganking miners, personally. mining ships are fit with things that aren't very lucrative when they drop and the tears are no different than anyone else's.

i get ganking mission runners in their blinged out ships, or freighters carrying too much cargo... but miners? ok.
unless miner tears cure cancer or something...

Because it doesn't shoot back, if the had the balls they would be shooting suff that shoots back in low sec but they want the easy way.

Because it doesn't shoot back, if the had the balls they would be shooting suff that shoots back in low sec but they want the easy way.

So you say mining barges/exhumers should somehow be excluded from pvp along with probing t1/t2 frigs, haulers, shuttles and cynos. Ships without fitted guns/drones also cannot shoot back. Pods cannot shoot back. And none of deployable structures can shoot back!

Geezus, list is getting longer and longer.

..guess which one did you choose..

Mining in my hulk/skiff + orca or blizting L3s for standings.

You shouldn't assume too much, son.

Every ship in game is a possible and viable target and there is no morality in pixels so if you wanna be space bushido white knight that's fine but who are you to pass judgement on in-game activities of others? Unless it's your credit card that their subs are paid with.

What's a miner, and incidentally, what's trolling. I've never seen any mention of either in New Eden?

[quote=Dave Stark] but mostly they are a hilarious read.

I guess they are if you're a teenager. Us grown-ups don't really get all that excited about them.

Guess I must have missed it. I never though harassing defenseless miners was ever cool to begin with.

Being a self hating miner is the new "in" thing. Nowadays I just take a big swig straight out of the bottle, fire up an alt in a Catalyst and blow my own Venture up.

True, although
The louder you scream, the more you are heard. I've tried fighting them in a wardec (They Dec'd us), they weren't all too interested in PVP beyond miners. So I doubt they have any real relevance and impact outside of a select subcategory of industry and the markets (ganking ships and barges). They are good at yelling, but actions speak louder than words, and when it comes to actions, they aren't that relevant