We tried tonight, it was fun. Ty Goons for being good hosts and escorting us out of VFK.

so you basically want us to have a new Asakai / B-R so you can get some more lowsy drones? feel free to buy yourself some capitals inshure them, undock press self destruct and shoot them once with an alt before the ship blows up, so it counts as pvp.

so you basically want us to have a new Asakai / B-R so you can get some more lowsy drones? feel free to buy yourself some capitals inshure them, undock press self destruct and shoot them once with an alt before the ship blows up, so it counts as pvp.

so you basically want us to have a new Asakai / B-R so you can get some more lowsy drones?

is it too much for the REAL Eve Online player? Isn't it what ALL THIS GAME ABOUT?

After all if miners (who ACTIVELY not playing the game) can make it why can't REAL PLAYERS?

What happened?

I had a life yesterday and even talked to a female.

Wooo me! Now what did I miss?

is it too much for the REAL Eve Online player? Isn't it what ALL THIS GAME ABOUT?

After all if miners (who ACTIVELY not playing the game) can make it why can't REAL PLAYERS?

Because mining is the lowest hanging fruit in the game? Oh, and it can and most often is botted?

Massive Titan battles are a little bit higher up. And you can't exactly bot them.

it's funny that in "totally pvp game" actual ship to ship combat takes the last place because "it's is not bottable and titans are expensive"

What happened?

I had a life yesterday and even talked to a female.

Wooo me! Now what did I miss?

your all doing it wrong.

the less of these in game the more my stock will go up by :)

The event is 7 days long. As of the upcoming downtime, 4 of those days will have passed.

The Math: 100 (Percent) / 7 (days) = 14.29 (percent per day) 14.29 * 4 = 57.16% is needed after 4 days to be "on track" (Not taking increased weekend activity into account)

According to the event page:

1. Ore shouldn't have any problem of reaching the second goal.


2. Science and Industry will need to see a slight increase over the weekend.


3. NPC Bounties need a noticeable increase over the weekend.


4. ISK Destroyed is in dire need of a boost! 41% out of the projected 57% GET OUT AND BLOW UP SHIPS!

... looks upon the shame evident in the face 1000's of PVP'ers and wonders who is going to organize a "sacrificial Titan" to save face...

I Guess PVP is too hard for him :( SOMEONE COULD GIVE HIM MINING LESSONS! :D

Thank Goon for Geckos

... looks upon the shame evident in the face 1000's of PVP'ers and wonders who is going to organize a "sacrificial Titan" to save face...

If every single goon would just self destruct, I'm sure all the community would be grateful.

We tried tonight, it was fun. Ty Goons for being good hosts and escorting us out of VFK.

Are the people not participating getting the same bonus stuff as the people actively playing? If so I don't see why anyone would bother changing their normal routine for this "event".

Miners running the table.

Indeed, good fun. Thanks for giving my boot something to step on.

Internet tough guy....gotta love em.

Updated the Opening Post.:

The event is 7 days long. As of the upcoming downtime, 5 of those days will have passed.

The Math: 100 (Percent) / 7 (days) = 14.29 (percent per day) 14.29 * 5 = 71.45% is needed after 5 days to be "on track" (Not taking increased weekend activity into account)

According to the event page:

1. Ore: shouldn't have any problem of reaching the second goal.


2. Science and Industry: Should make it, they're about square on target.


3. NPC Bounties: Both Bounties and ISK Destoryed need some serious help :(
4. ISK Destroyed: Both Bounties and ISK Destoryed need some serious help :(

Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

Isk destroyed? Could it possibly be that PvP is Not The primary activity in the game?
Who would have thunk it!

What happened?

I had a life yesterday and even talked to a female.

Wooo me! Now what did I miss?

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

That, and you can't bot PvP 23/7.

I don't "suspect" anything, anklebiter.

CCP themselves has told us that the vast majority of bots banned are found in highsec, and they are miners.

no, everything must be equal and it's clear that the pvpers are letting the side down.

Could it possibly be that the goals aren't all intended to be equally easy to reach?

...undock press self destruct and shoot them once with an alt before the ship blows up, so it counts as pvp.

would be interesting to hear some reasons for CCP to do it to their 'pure pvp-oriented' game

and nope, trolling of their players doesn't look very good in this case

you say it like picking random numbers out of a hat isn't a valid way of selecting arbitrary targets.

reasons for this?

For the weekend I have 1 kill for 70m, 300m bounties, and 900m in items. I spent far and away most of my time on the bounties, so its a pretty inefficient part of being a nullbear that CCP is asking us to do.

to see all the tinfoil on the forums.

in a game built on conflict do you really think ccp aren't going to intentionally do something to make people have a hilarious and absurd discussion about it?

as if you need something to see 'all the tinfoil on the forums'?

conspiracy theories....

Man, I think CCP overestimated the player population during the spring, it always goes down a little then explodes for summer.

Or everyone could just start blowing up highsec carebears. That'll do the trick, too.

Gecko's

would be interesting to hear some reasons for CCP to do it to their 'pure pvp-oriented' game

and nope, trolling of their players doesn't look very good in this case

There's also other reasons it could be lagging behind, such as their numbers being based on a server-wide average over the past year or something combined with the fact that we're in a relatively quiet period for PVP since the next big war hasn't started yet.

Between goons and russians hopefully, and in the end they would just kill each other, .. forever.

Between goons and russians hopefully, and in the end they would just kill each other, .. forever.

Gecko is what?

well a Gecko is a Gecko

so what else is there to say about a Gecko?

Drone #1 unlocked! Wooooooooo

Now please switch over to ratting, miners.

Because mining is the lowest hanging fruit in the game? Oh, and it can and most often is botted?

Massive Titan battles are a little bit higher up. And you can't exactly bot them.

Drone #1 unlocked! Wooooooooo

Now please switch over to ratting, miners.

Now comes the really fun part.

Where CCP goes "whoops, we overshot the mark for damn near every activity!"

Maybe she was trying to do exploration and mission running in a barge.

I'll agree with the multibox part I guess. Past 2 characters running exploration sites starts to scramble my brains.

Miners running the table.

You have to give it to the mining bots, they've done us proud here.

A day and a half to go - science should get both also, the others looking a bit questionable though.

Welp. Seeing how we run this show, I think it would be fair if we start demanding 'pvp permits' from the slackers.

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Good luck getting that to make any kind of sense.
"You better pay me 10M for your PVP permit otherwise I'll STOP MINING."
"Okay. Can I have your stuff?"

What exactly do you think you do when you go to jita and replace pvp ships ?

is it too much for the REAL Eve Online player? Isn't it what ALL THIS GAME ABOUT?

After all if miners (who ACTIVELY not playing the game) can make it why can't REAL PLAYERS?

Because we have to be at the computer actually spending time doing it?

What exactly do you think you do when you go to jita and replace pvp ships ?

Welp. Seeing how we run this show, I think it would be fair if we start demanding 'pvp permits' from the slackers.

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Very obviously I don't. Of course, you see what you want to see...

How many miners do you think would go along with this scheme?
Answer: Not enough to make one bit of difference.

I think doing this event over mother's day weekend hurt the PVP/NPCers. We all had Wife Aggro....

What happened?

I had a life yesterday and even talked to a female.

Wooo me! Now what did I miss?

I think doing this event over mother's day weekend hurt the PVP/NPCers. We all had Wife Aggro....

So guess CCP's bribes to get player activity up, over the Mother's Day weekend of all times (North America, that is).

So guess CCP's bribes to get player activity up, over the Mother's Day weekend of all times (North America, that is).

Whatever.
How much are Gecko's worth now?
22 million, and dropping?

Am I going to turn my game upside down for a couple hundred million ISK? Forget it. If I am going to be online to drive the PCU higher, it will be on my own terms.

And given the slavish desire CCP has to protect the null sec cartel gaming experience by wiping drones off the field to keep TiDI down, how long before the Gecko and other superheavies are an item that will be incorporated into normal industry, and players will be able to make them?

The main construct of a blueprint is in the game.
CCP just has to fill in some blanks on it and give it some mineral values.

Is it really worth peoples bother now that we know they're going to be heavily nerfed in Kronos? Originally many were very excited about the Geckos, but now it's just a resounding 'meh'.

take the ******* tinfoil off.

it's quite obviously something cool that they decided to do for eve's 11th birthday, that was never a secret. there's no hidden agenda to increase the player count in a weekend holiday that only affects 1 country.

you mean aside from the fact that they aren't getting nerfed....

you mean aside from the fact that they aren't getting nerfed....

I don't give a **** about your semantics. They are losing damage. They are being nerfed.

Because mining is the lowest hanging fruit in the game? Oh, and it can and most often is botted?

Massive Titan battles are a little bit higher up. And you can't exactly bot them.

you mean aside from the fact that they aren't getting nerfed....

No, they are not being nerfed.

What happened?

I had a life yesterday and even talked to a female.

Wooo me! Now what did I miss?

Because CCP is already using the post Kronos numbers on the Gecko right?

bingo.

Exactly, they're not getting a nerf if they are staying the same...

yeah... that's exactly what i said.

Yep, and still people are arguing that its a nerf... Sometimes I don't understand peoples logic...

it simple: peoples logic is more complex that "2 * 2 = 4".... Unless you have the same level you will never understand.

You know: it's like in first school classes you learn that x*x = -1 has no results.... And when somebody tells you that actually x has some value it looks like nonsense. Few years pass and you get the truth.

Wait....this thread is now morphing to a discussion of philisophical mathematics?

....I did not see that coming. Well played.

How much time do we have left? Is it over in three hours, or in one day and three hours?

Thanks.

it's over at downtime, if i'm not mistaken.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

The NPC bounties claimed and isk destroyed seem to have been widely optimistic. I can't see us reaching those two targets.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

My theory, (puts on tinfoil hat), CFC instructed its members too not lose ships or rat this week, in order that everyone would not be gifted free Geckos. Geckos would be given out on an equal basis to those in null and high, and as null has the majority of the wealth in the game, giving geckos freely would diminish the advantage that null sec overlords have over the high sec peons slightly.

That's one big sense of entitlement you've got in that statement.

Thing is, if they took the figures from time period right after release of previous expansion which probably boosted numbers somewhat... and maybe around time of the B-R5RB, then some of the figures are bound to be inflated compared to this time when we are approaching new expansion and numbers are dipping. Mining and science/industry related figures would appear to be more consistent and have least fluctuation. Add to that the mothers' day and the failure to reach all goals is explained without any need for tinfoil.

The NPC bounties claimed and isk destroyed seem to have been widely optimistic. I can't see us reaching those two targets.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

My theory, (puts on tinfoil hat), CFC instructed its members too not lose ships or rat this week, in order that everyone would not be gifted free Geckos. Geckos would be given out on an equal basis to those in null and high, and as null has the majority of the wealth in the game, giving geckos freely would diminish the advantage that null sec overlords have over the high sec peons slightly.

All was needed was a pair of titans ambushed and destroyed. Inf act the last few weeks have been ABSURDLY calm on that front. THe goal was supposed to be easy.. but peopel were not even remotely as barbarish as they usually are.

Assuming the goals were based on averages, we can conclude that:
1) This past week, players have been more involved in passive activities than in active ones.
2) ...
3) Therefore, EVE is dying.

Didn't want those Geckos anyway, as they're being nerfed soon. Yes, nerfed.

I need a break from GD.

No change is happening to the Gecko's.

The skills that affect drone damage are changing.

Logic is hard though, So I understand why you missed that.

No change is happening to the Gecko's.

The skills that affect drone damage are changing.

Logic is hard though, So I understand why you missed that.

Am I seeing this right?

Did Industrialists just trounce content creators and mission whores?

Did Industrialists just trounce content creators and mission whores?

people assuming the goals set were calculated as to make them easy to achieve without some large scale player coordination and collective effort are mistaking EVE for wow.

CCP was mistaken in assuming PVPers give enough of a **** to do large scale coordination and collective effort just for some gimmick drone that'll be losing a quarter of its maximum damage soon.

You can't just force large scale PVP to happen, all of the pieces have to be in the right place.

That, and someone has to push jump instead of bridge(Asakai), or forget to pay a sov bill.(B-R5BR)

people assuming the goals set were calculated as to make them easy to achieve without some large scale player coordination and collective effort are mistaking EVE for wow.

Am I seeing this right?

Did Industrialists just trounce content creators and mission whores?

What happened?

I had a life yesterday and even talked to a female.

Wooo me! Now what did I miss?

Am I seeing this right?

Did Industrialists just trounce content creators and mission whores?

Uttering words while you're stalking...I mean walking behind her doesn't count as having a life or talking to a female, sorry

Am I seeing this right?

Did Industrialists just trounce content creators and mission whores?

You did notice that the bounty goals and ISK destroyed goals were set in trillions while the other two were billions I assume ?

You did notice that the bounty goals and ISK destroyed goals were set in trillions while the other two were billions I assume ?

How does that even matter? If it was 25bil it would have been done in a day. But please, let the anti miner rage flow on. I'll just be over here making money from nullsec mining and production.

They obviously weren't random or arbitrary otherwise some of them would have hit the goal extremely early and others would have come nowhere close.
There were specific criteria for picking those numbers, we just don't know what they were.

How does that even matter? If it was 25bil it would have been done in a day. But please, let the anti miner rage flow on. I'll just be over here making money from nullsec mining and production.

They obviously weren't random or arbitrary otherwise some of them would have hit the goal extremely early and others would have come nowhere close.
There were specific criteria for picking those numbers, we just don't know what they were.

The problem is that I earned 500m bounties over the last 3 days, and yanked 1.4b of loot. So the exercise picks up 100% of mining output, but is actually all about an inefficient attribute of being a pve combat pilot and represents less than 30% of my economic output, even if yes, most of my time was spent shooting rats, and I only spent a couple of hours in minprofs.

you mean, like they have been?

How far along were bounties and isk destroyed when mining hit goal?

you mean, like they have been?

Do you understand what "extremely early" and "nowhere close" means?

Do you understand what "extremely early" and "nowhere close" means?

You did notice that the bounty goals and ISK destroyed goals were set in trillions while the other two were billions I assume ?

But please, let the anti miner rage flow on.

They obviously weren't random or arbitrary otherwise some of them would have hit the goal extremely early and others would have come nowhere close.
There were specific criteria for picking those numbers, we just don't know what they were.

I imagine all were slight stretch goals over the average of something like the past 3 or 6 months.
So no one is shooting crosses or each other as much right now...shrug.

Just means Gecko's will stay a little more rare, at least until CCP fills in the rest of the BPO that shows up in-game right now, and players start making them.

What's a Gecko?

Is that like Gordon Gecko?

I imagine all were slight stretch goals over the average of something like the past 3 or 6 months.
So no one is shooting crosses or each other as much right now...shrug.

Just means Gecko's will stay a little more rare, at least until CCP fills in the rest of the BPO that shows up in-game right now, and players start making them.

I don't like this kind of game. I don't know why, nothing bad happened, no one was hurt. I guess i just don't like it when people manipulate information to suit their agenda.

All the non-industrialists can thank the industrialists for their 4 shiny new Geckos.

Now if we can just get a T2 Gecko to get our 25% damage back after summer patch.

Just use a post Kronos Rattlesnake. Problem solved.

DPS still drops from a pair of Gecko's on an RS now without even factoring in the other 25mb drone band it currently has to play with.

I imagine all were slight stretch goals over the average of something like the past 3 or 6 months.
So no one is shooting crosses or each other as much right now...shrug.

Just means Gecko's will stay a little more rare, at least until CCP fills in the rest of the BPO that shows up in-game right now, and players start making them.

Its a good thing its getting an extra launcher then.

Indeed, that just leaves every other ship that might use one out in the cold. and cancels out a nice chunk of the gain from a Kronos max DPS RS compared to now.

The only downside of the 5th launcher is you are limited to one DLA

The Rattler is changing from a so-so sentry based sniper unable to compete with the Domi, to an "in your face brawler" with silly paper DPS (but application issues at range) overnight.