As you probably know, I have the GRR project, a holy war against the evil Goons and their minions. I mosty pay mercenaries to kill their members in highsec and their highsec POCOs were cleansed. Now it's time to go after their most precious ships, their titans!

It's plain and simple: kill a CFC titan for me and you get 20B bounty! The money is held by Chribba, so you can be damn sure you'll get it. He'll post in this thread. To get the money, you must send a mail to me and Chribba with the following:

• link to the API verified Zkillboard page of the kill
• the dead pilot must be in a CFC alliance (no "I swear he is a Goon alt" accepted)
• a link to a well readable screenshot of the fight with the titan still alive but damaged, without any masking (minimize your secret channels). Local channel must be open, readable, with transparent background.
• on the local channel of the screenshot at least 5 people must say "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards"
• The money will be given to the corp of the highest damage dealer.

Spies, titan-logoff-point campers, awoxers, get to work! Death to the titan of Evil! Grr!

You do realize there are social and emotional factors to human behavior, right?

As you probably know, I have the GRR project, a holy war against the evil Goons and their minions. I mosty pay mercenaries to kill their members in highsec and their highsec POCOs were cleansed. Now it's time to go after their most precious ships, their titans!

It's plain and simple: kill a CFC titan for me and you get 20B bounty! The money is held by Chribba, so you can be damn sure you'll get it. He'll post in this thread. To get the money, you must send a mail to me and Chribba with the following:

• link to the API verified Zkillboard page of the kill
• the dead pilot must be in a CFC alliance (no "I swear he is a Goon alt" accepted)
• a link to a well readable screenshot of the fight with the titan still alive but damaged, without any masking (minimize your secret channels). Local channel must be open, readable, with transparent background.
• on the local channel of the screenshot at least 5 people must say "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards"
• The money will be given to the corp of the highest damage dealer.

Spies, titan-logoff-point campers, awoxers, get to work! Death to the titan of Evil! Grr!

Of course! The emotion of the CFC titan pilots should be fear, that any of their "bros" can light a cyno for BL or NC. or even to PL in lowsec. And the behavior that this emotion factors to is not loging in!

Killing a titan is it's own reward (you would know this if you understood people), a "bounty" does exactly nothing in real terms.

There aren't a bunch of people sitting around right now, thinking "So there's this Titan, but urghhhh like why would be kill it where's the incentive, if only some blogger with money and no sense would fix this".

Of course there are a bunch of people who wouldn't kill a titan for free, but would gladly do so for 20B: the blues of the titan. As you said, the actual killers will kill it for free, so if a lovely little bee approaches Elo Knight "hey I can tackle a titan for you if you give me the 20B of that pubbie shitlord", Elo will surely say yes.

Of course there are a bunch of people who wouldn't kill a titan for free, but would gladly do so for 20B: the blues of the titan. As you said, the actual killers will kill it for free, so if a lovely little bee approaches Elo Knight "hey I can tackle a titan for you if you give me the 20B of that pubbie shitlord", Elo will surely say yes.

KILL THE GOON

If you think 20 billion will make a CFC member awox a Titan, you have no idea how lif is in null-sec.

Newbees salvaging rat wrecks can pull that kind of ISK in a few months.

Wait, we grind structures in bombers? ahahahahaha you must have some seriously deep cover spies to come up with information that accurate.

Of course there are a bunch of people who wouldn't kill a titan for free

Of course there are a bunch of people who wouldn't kill a titan for free, but would gladly do so for 20B: the blues of the titan. As you said, the actual killers will kill it for free, so if a lovely little bee approaches Elo Knight "hey I can tackle a titan for you if you give me the 20B of that pubbie shitlord", Elo will surely say yes.

What Would Gevlon Goblin Do (WWGGD) (MORON)

"Gevlon Goblin sends his regards" pretty original. You should create a corp and call it Grrwaffe.

[quote=Gevlon Goblin][quote=Khanh'rhh]
You have a lot to learn, your 20b is going to someone who would have killed the Titan anyway.

Yes, I know that everyone in CFC has a supercarrier. You just grind structures in bombless bombers because it's more fun.

Hey Goons! You never heard the saying "don't interrupt foes when they make mistakes". You should just shut up and laugh as I waste my money. Why do you want to save me from that?

Hey Goons! You never heard the saying "don't interrupt foes when they make mistakes". You should just shut up and laugh as I waste my money. Why do you want to save me from that?

Probably because you know how titans die: dumbly.

There is surely a CFC titan sitting under a public password or corp access shield.
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who gladly bridge out a small gang of "bros" instead of telling them "no official ping, take gates punks".
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who logs out at the very same safespot every time.
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who accepts a fleet inv from "bros" and then asks "why am I warping to a planet"?
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who jumps to a cyno beacon or a cyno opened by a helpful "bro" because his cyno alt is still in Period Basis.

As you probably know, I have the GRR project, a holy war against the evil Goons and their minions. I mosty pay mercenaries to kill their members in highsec and their highsec POCOs were cleansed. Now it's time to go after their most precious ships, their titans!

It's plain and simple: kill a CFC titan for me and you get 20B bounty! The money is held by Chribba, so you can be damn sure you'll get it. He'll post in this thread. To get the money, you must send a mail to me and Chribba with the following:

• link to the API verified Zkillboard page of the kill
• the dead pilot must be in a CFC alliance (no "I swear he is a Goon alt" accepted)
• a link to a well readable screenshot of the fight with the titan still alive but damaged, without any masking (minimize your secret channels). Local channel must be open, readable, with transparent background.
• on the local channel of the screenshot at least 5 people must say "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards"
• The money will be given to the corp of the highest damage dealer.

Spies, titan-logoff-point campers, awoxers, get to work! Death to the titan of Evil! Grr!

I don't think he cares, as long as he can claim credit and write a blog post about it. Nothing he had funded has materially improved in it's impact as a result of his financing. As long as he can claim credit via his funding, by the magic of delusion, he is the puppet master the the one responsible. Just like, by the magic of delusion, Noir scammed him

Most people aren't very intelligent. While EVE tends to attract more capable folk on average - with CFC admittedly having some mighty fine thinkers - the overall picture is painted much the same.

Case in point: This thread. CFC members are claiming, "I wouldn't drop my allegiance for 20B, so what a silly idea!".
This brings us back to my initial point: People aren't very intelligent.

I have nothing against CFC, but it would seem they don't truly appreciate the fact that many of their members have unaffiliated alts whom could easily jump in with their corp, pop the helpless Titan, and collect the 20B without any CFC member being linked to the operation.

their highsec POCOs were cleansed.

I wonder when a Goon rep is going to pop in offering money for people to awox Goblin instead.

I wonder when a Goon rep is going to pop in offering money for people to awox Goblin instead.

Are you implying that Gevlon would actually undock from station, let alone join a corporation.

Gevlon is just playing the odds the same way Jita undock campers play the odds by wardec'ing the biggest corps. After all, isn't it strange that Gevlon puts a bounty on CFC titans after CFC supers are baited in Daras "just for the fun of it". Next time some one drops on us just for the fun, they can spam that message in local, collect some pocket change, and Gevlon can act like it was his kill.

Don't you think a PL fleet spamming "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards" to Goons worth some pocket change? Imagine their tears when not only their precious ship is dead, but a damn pubbie shitlord is celebrated. Will they cry harder than the miners when the New Order ganks them and praises James? Will they start threads to ban this form of griefing? How many fields of the miner bingo will be completed?

The thing you guys don't get is 20B is a sum I can spend on some silly stuff just to **** off Goons. Actually I got this money thanks to some guy typing two extra zeros. I don't have to put a serious thought behind it. I could just send it to the alliance who is responsible for the most Goon losses on the top page of the killboard. Considering the amount of tears on this forum, I already got enough value for that money.

Imagine their tears when not only their precious ship is dead, but a damn pubbie shitlord is celebrated. Will they cry harder than the miners when the New Order ganks them and praises James? Will they start threads to ban this form of griefing? How many fields of the miner bingo will be completed?

The thing you guys don't get is 20B is a sum I can spend on some silly stuff just to **** off Goons. Actually I got this money thanks to some guy typing two extra zeros. I don't have to put a serious thought behind it. I could just send it to the alliance who is responsible for the most Goon losses on the top page of the killboard. Considering the amount of tears on this forum, I already got enough value for that money.

Hey Goons! You never heard the saying "don't interrupt foes when they make mistakes". You should just shut up and laugh as I waste my money. Why do you want to save me from that?

Probably because you know how titans die: dumbly.

1 - There is surely a CFC titan sitting under a public password or corp access shield.
2 - There is surely a CFC titan pilot who gladly bridge out a small gang of "bros" instead of telling them "no official ping, take gates punks".
3 - There is surely a CFC titan pilot who logs out at the very same safespot every time.
4 - There is surely a CFC titan pilot who accepts a fleet inv from "bros" and then asks "why am I warping to a planet"?
5 - There is surely a CFC titan pilot who jumps to a cyno beacon or a cyno opened by a helpful "bro" because his cyno alt is still in Period Basis.

i don't know what's worse, OP's idea or the goons who bite it so hard

I know in your head this made sense. I know you thought, "Here is a witty defence of my vision; so eloquent that my opponents will weep with despair at the inevitable logic of my conclusions!" Unfortunately, for that to be the case you must establish a direct and causal connection between your offering of pocket change, and a meaningful increase in the likelihood of one of these already all too common occurrences.

I'm insulted by the paucity of your bounty, not terrified. You can and should do better.

"Gevlon Goblin sends his regards" pretty original. You should create a corp and call it Grrwaffe.

Of course there are a bunch of people who wouldn't kill a titan for free

Don't you think a PL fleet spamming "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards" to Goons worth some pocket change? Imagine their tears when not only their precious ship is dead, but a damn pubbie shitlord is celebrated. Will they cry harder than the miners when the New Order ganks them and praises James? Will they start threads to ban this form of griefing? How many fields of the miner bingo will be completed?

The thing you guys don't get is 20B is a sum I can spend on some silly stuff just to **** off Goons. Actually I got this money thanks to some guy typing two extra zeros. I don't have to put a serious thought behind it. I could just send it to the alliance who is responsible for the most Goon losses on the top page of the killboard. Considering the amount of tears on this forum, I already got enough value for that money.

Don't you think a PL fleet spamming "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards" to Goons worth some pocket change? Imagine their tears when not only their precious ship is dead, but a damn pubbie shitlord is celebrated.

Hey Goons! You never heard the saying "don't interrupt foes when they make mistakes". You should just shut up and laugh as I waste my money. Why do you want to save me from that?

At least it's Chribba verified this time.

On the other hand, why don't you simply try to hire PL proper and make them -for example- attack VFK? And please let us know how the negotiations are coming along. Thank you.

is this retroactive because i think the vfk beacon could be owed a trillion

Of course there are a bunch of people who wouldn't kill a titan for free, but would gladly do so for 20B: the blues of the titan. As you said, the actual killers will kill it for free, so if a lovely little bee approaches Elo Knight "hey I can tackle a titan for you if you give me the 20B of that pubbie shitlord", Elo will surely say yes.

Gevlon wheel, Gevlon deal.

You want deal?

With Gevlon, you wheel? You deal! Gah hah!

Many deal...many thanks! Gah hah!

20 bil isn't worth never getting to play with my friends again and probably also getting blacklisted from every other alliance worth a damn since everyone would know I'm a sellout waiting to happen.

Then again talking about social interaction to you is like trying to describe a rainbow to a blind man.

People go out of their way to kill titans for free all the time. I'm not sure which amuses me more; You giving out free money for nothing or your inability to understand how people work.

Don't you think a PL fleet spamming "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards" to Goons worth some pocket change? Imagine their tears when not only their precious ship is dead, but a damn pubbie shitlord is celebrated. Will they cry harder than the miners when the New Order ganks them and praises James? Will they start threads to ban this form of griefing? How many fields of the miner bingo will be completed?

The thing you guys don't get is 20B is a sum I can spend on some silly stuff just to **** off Goons. Actually I got this money thanks to some guy typing two extra zeros. I don't have to put a serious thought behind it. I could just send it to the alliance who is responsible for the most Goon losses on the top page of the killboard. Considering the amount of tears on this forum, I already got enough value for that money.

This is the same guy that pays for wardecs that were going on before he was getting ganked by Hogger in Goldshire.

Why does he think 20 bil is enough to convince someone to awox cfc?? seems silly to burn a spy for just 40 plexs when its in that deep.

The CFC is riddled with line-member spies, since it's not that hard to get in. If killing our Titans was as easy as "point titan, cyno in BL lolz" as Gevlon thinks, then we would be losing them daily. A line member spy is worth less than a titan kill, so this would be happening a lot if we didn't have basic procedures in place to stop it. So, you therefore need to be in a position to be telling the Titan where to go, in order to set up a trap. Which means, you need a supercap FC to flip* for 20bil. Which is so much less than it would take it's not worth talking about.

* - also, to who? There's no entity in the game who would place much trust in someone flipping sides for small change, so the theoretical supercap FC who would be bought by 20bil would do so knowing he has no where to go.

inb4 gevlon has a stupid idea...

too late.

Why does he think 20 bil is enough to convince someone to awox cfc?? seems silly to burn a spy for just 40 plexs when its in that deep.

Hey Goons! You never heard the saying "don't interrupt foes when they make mistakes". You should just shut up and laugh as I waste my money. Why do you want to save me from that?

Probably because you know how titans die: dumbly.

There is surely a CFC titan sitting under a public password or corp access shield.
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who gladly bridge out a small gang of "bros" instead of telling them "no official ping, take gates punks".
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who logs out at the very same safespot every time.
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who accepts a fleet inv from "bros" and then asks "why am I warping to a planet"?
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who jumps to a cyno beacon or a cyno opened by a helpful "bro" because his cyno alt is still in Period Basis.

I say we just sacrifice a titan hull at the next vile rat memorial FFA event to a swarm of newbees, collect the bounty and divide it amongst the 20 newest bees on the kill mail. EVE becomes a better place because it has one less titan in it, newbees get a titan killmail, and Gevlon ends up having to pay Goons 20 billion.

Everybody wins except Goblin, and who cares about him?

Edit: bonus points if we kill it with a swarm of bombless bombers.

20 bil isn't worth never getting to play with my friends again and probably also getting blacklisted from every other alliance worth a damn since everyone would know I'm a sellout waiting to happen.

Then again talking about social interaction to you is like trying to describe a rainbow to a blind man.

This reeks of desperation.

I say we just sacrifice a titan hull at the next vile rat memorial FFA event to a swarm of newbees, collect the bounty and divide it amongst the 20 newest bees on the kill mail. EVE becomes a better place because it has one less titan in it, newbees get a titan killmail, and Gevlon ends up having to pay Goons 20 billion.

Lol Goblin sure seems to think highly of himself and how much he matters in space.

lulz.

Please do it! Actually I know where you could get the titan. Mynnna is sooooooooo much more rich than me, he'd gladly donate you one.
Alternatively, he could explain you why is it an extraordinary dumb idea. If he doesn't bother to answer to a lowly grunt like yourself, come back in a few days and I explain you.

Oh wait, ignore him! Just offer your own titan!

Gevon Goblin is a Tora Bushido alt.
Funny huh.

Eh, its content creation. I'm ok with this. No matter if poorly thought out, at least its something! It is poorly thought out though.

20 bil for a titan kill? Dunno Gobbles, doesn't sound that enticing.

Its just blog fodder. He doesnt really have anything to post about anymore. Nobody cares about shipping implants from Jita to Amarr posts, nobody cares about killmail and killboard posts, nobody cares about wardec posts.

One giant way of jumping up and down screaming: "Please pay attention to me!"

Please do it! Actually I know where you could get the titan. Mynnna is sooooooooo much more rich than me, he'd gladly donate you one.

So if the terms are never fulfilled, does Chribba give the money back to Gobs?

Mynnna is sooooooooo much more rich than me

Saying it ironically doesn't diminish the fact that Mynnna is rich enough to self-destruct a Titan with some T2 BPOs for cargo and still make you look like a small business owner.

Your whole Plutocrat act would be a lot more compelling if you were actually Koch Brothers Rich.

I would've used that 20b to fund a few dozen roams for fun and pleasure and explosions, but that's just me.

So if a mercenary group killed the titan, but also was killing lemmings, does that mean they scammed you because they did something in addition to but not explicitly against the terms of your contract?

Since Chribba is holding the cash, if they meet the conditions then the titan killer will get the cash even if it is Noir.

But good point if Noir keep losing expensive Pods then they may need additional income to supplement their scam cash.

Since Chribba is holding the cash, if they meet the conditions then the titan killer will get the cash even if it is Noir.
But good point if Noir keep losing expensive Pods then they may need additional income to supplement their scam cash.

This "discussion" between Goons and Goblin is so hilarious xD

- You are bad!
- No, you!
- No, you!
- No, you!
- No, you!
- No, you!
...

Actually it's more:
Gevlon: *silly accusations* *sperg* *bad propaganda* I'm relevant, honest
Goons: lol
Gevlon: YOU RESPONDED I'M RELEVANT HAHAHA *sperg sperg sperg*

"Don't forget though, he's already "proven" that everyone else in the game is lying about all of their isk, because they don't pay a joke of a mercenary group a peasant sum of isk for doing what they already do they must obviously be poor. There's no other possible explanation, cos he said so, right? Bow to gobbos superiority."

You wrote this yourself. This looks a whole lot like "Gevlon, you are bad" to me.

Offering 20B to the man who brings me Goblins corpse.

Terms : screenshot of local once murders occurred saying: 'FU dribbles. Crafty got more isk then you"

The part that does matter is that we gain a fair bit of amusement from poking the autistic bear, and I hope he never stops, since he's twice as entertaining as modern Dinsdale (Dinsdale seems to have turned a bit emo, like the whole word is pointless, which is less entertaining). But it's not about saying "No you're bad!" it's pretty much about saying whatever it takes to keep him rageposting.

"No, I am not just saying he is bad! You are saying I am saying "you are bad"! But you are bad! (Oh, and he also is bad)"

No hard feelings man, I enjoy Goon posts just as much as Goblin posts. Keep up the good work :)

that's your educational issues, not mine.

This one needs special attention. A keeper, for sure.

Yup, typos for the win, I won't even edit it, just for you. Later when you find me saying something you don't like you can even refer back to it and celebrate.

Damn forum alts man, sheesh.

What typo? Have you quite finished? You really are quite bizarre, Lucas.

Inb4 goblin under another alt to post in the forum, where he can't use his main character because of lack of his social skills.

This is c&p. It is a touchy feely kind of place. A warm center of the universe where all opinions are welcome and free love is the order of the day. Where even people who fall clear off the autism scale can find someone willing to acknowledge that they do indeed exist.

As much as a sock puppet or forum personality of an online fiction can be said to exist.

I wasn't originally laughing with Lucas (who subsequently and for some bizarre reason flipped about a non-existent typo) because I found what he said to be amusing.

Why is everyone so touchy?

"flipped out" is a bit far. With what I said there being fairly mundane I assumed (it appears wrongfully) that you were pointing out the irony of having the s on the end of issues, pluralising it and making it technically incorrect from a grammatical standpoint. I apologise for the misunderstanding.

My GOD LUCAS!!! so tell me how many pedants does it take to change a lightbulb? "don't you mean replace?"

As you probably know, I have the GRR project, a holy war against the evil Goons and their minions. I mosty pay mercenaries to kill their members in highsec and their highsec POCOs were cleansed. Now it's time to go after their most precious ships, their titans!

It's plain and simple: kill a CFC titan for me and you get 20B bounty! The money is held by Chribba, so you can be damn sure you'll get it. He'll post in this thread. To get the money, you must send a mail to me and Chribba with the following:

• link to the API verified Zkillboard page of the kill
• the dead pilot must be in a CFC alliance (no "I swear he is a Goon alt" accepted)
• a link to a well readable screenshot of the fight with the titan still alive but damaged, without any masking (minimize your secret channels). Local channel must be open, readable, with transparent background.
• on the local channel of the screenshot at least 5 people must say "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards"
• The money will be given to the corp of the highest damage dealer.

Spies, titan-logoff-point campers, awoxers, get to work! Death to the titan of Evil! Grr!

People need to be paid to do that?

I'll do if for free in 38 days, I just need to get back to a country with an internet connection fast enough to let me update and log into eve, which will be in 36 days time, Followed by a further 2 days of time spent with my family then I will happily gank him for free, Which Using graphs and tables can be shown as a direct win for Goblin against the CFC in some way I suspect

I'll do it, I have kindly supplied a list of things I will require to carry this out

1. A coalition of alliances to come with me to attack CFC
2. A capital/Supercap fleet with a few supporting sub cap fleets
3. A 2nd Capital and 2nd Supercap fleet
4. intelligence from an alt within CFC (At a level where they can actually direct me to titans
6. Enough money to stage POS's in several systems, And a ship replacement program that I can use to refund lost ships in this challenge

These are 6 extremely reasonable requests, I'll even let you keep the 20Bn, Just supply these items for me and we'll be good to go. I would consider this

I say we just sacrifice a titan hull at the next vile rat memorial FFA event to a swarm of newbees, collect the bounty and divide it amongst the 20 newest bees on the kill mail. EVE becomes a better place because it has one less titan in it, newbees get a titan killmail, and Gevlon ends up having to pay Goons 20 billion.

Everybody wins except Goblin, and who cares about him?

Edit: bonus points if we kill it with a swarm of bombless bombers.

As you probably know, I have the GRR project, a holy war against the evil Goons and their minions. I mosty pay mercenaries to kill their members in highsec and their highsec POCOs were cleansed. Now it's time to go after their most precious ships, their titans!

It's plain and simple: kill a CFC titan for me and you get 20B bounty! The money is held by Chribba, so you can be damn sure you'll get it. He'll post in this thread. To get the money, you must send a mail to me and Chribba with the following:

• link to the API verified Zkillboard page of the kill
• the dead pilot must be in a CFC alliance (no "I swear he is a Goon alt" accepted)
• a link to a well readable screenshot of the fight with the titan still alive but damaged, without any masking (minimize your secret channels). Local channel must be open, readable, with transparent background.
• on the local channel of the screenshot at least 5 people must say "Gevlon Goblin sends his regards"
• The money will be given to the corp of the highest damage dealer.

Spies, titan-logoff-point campers, awoxers, get to work! Death to the titan of Evil! Grr!

Why?

Because you haven't figured out yet that we are actually the good guys.

sig:.................It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger...............

- or if he is just hoping to get credit for a kill.

I swear.. these vendettas against the goons just makes me want to join them for the hell of it.

Please do it! Actually I know where you could get the titan. Mynnna is sooooooooo much more rich than me, he'd gladly donate you one.
Alternatively, he could explain you why is it an extraordinary dumb idea. If he doesn't bother to answer to a lowly grunt like yourself, come back in a few days and I explain you.

Oh wait, ignore him! Just offer your own titan!

They have lot of "recruiters" who gladly invite you. Just contract them your stuff and pay 500M transport cost.

Which is one of the main points why I consider them evil.

They have lot of "recruiters" who gladly invite you. Just contract them your stuff and pay 500M transport cost.

Which is one of the main points why I consider them evil.

They have lot of "recruiters" who gladly invite you. Just contract them your stuff and pay 500M transport cost.

Which is one of the main points why I consider them evil.

They have lot of "recruiters" who gladly invite you. Just contract them your stuff and pay 500M transport cost.

Which is one of the main points why I consider them evil.

I swear.. these vendettas against the goons just makes me want to join them for the hell of it.

And I know, the point you always harp on about is how "you can'" get into goonwaffe (the corp). Arguably though, you can, you just need to be an SA member for a while or be a new SA member with a reference. And that's because they are a special interest group. If you want to join the goonswarm (the alliance) as a non-SA member, there's corps of that too. If you want to join goonwaffe (the corp) but don't want to be an SA member, then you wouldn't fit in so you aren't welcome. it would be like trying to join a singing club but hating and not wanting to sing. It's really simple stuff, but seeing how their rejection has caused you to explode so much you're obviously still pretty confused.

*sperg*

It's not the recruitment scam, but the master-slave setup is evil and being one of the reasons I want them lose a titan here!

How are any of our allies "slaves"?

That's a dangerous question to ask him...

I'll ask Mynnna about it next time I get the chance. I doubt you'll believe me, but Goon director structure isn't so rigid that I'd get bollocked just for asking something. Lowly grunt though I may be.

I'd offer my own, but I don't have a titan (and I don't want one because space coffins suck).

To be perfectly honest Goblin, I'm half tempted to sponsor you in to GoonWaffe (no fee or security deposit), just so you can see what it's like. Once people get bored of awoxing you, I think you'd quite enjoy it.


Well, you know, if you were ~capable~ of feeling joy.

...Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA. Why would anyone want to join the slaves when he can be the master? The natural wish of the people to belong to the upper class is the basis of Goon recruitment scamming...

Since Mynnna only refused to sacrifice his own titan, but did not explain why awoxing Goon titans is a bad idea, I explain it as promised.

If you blow up an unfit titan, you suffer about 60B loss (Hull - bounty paid by Chribba - basic insurance). I suffer 20B loss. After all these, I can offer another 20B bounty and we'll be back where we are now, except for me losing 20B and CFC losing a titan and I'm bragging about 75% ISK ratio. Now you can leave me bragging or blow up another titan.

200 titans and 4T bounty later CFC has no more titans and you can't even bridge your fleets. Of course you can hope that I don't have 4T and have to quit impoverished and defeated. But PL or N3 would gladly support my bounties if it leads to the destruction of the CFC titan fleet with 75% ISK ratio without breaking BoTLord.

I'd offer my own, but I don't have a titan (and I don't want one because space coffins suck).

They have lot of "recruiters" who gladly invite you. Just contract them your stuff and pay 500M transport cost.

Which is one of the main points why I consider them evil.

I don't know if they count, but yes we nuked some Titans in build. There's an article about it on themittani.com

It would be true if Goonwaffe would be just another corp in GSF, doing the same EVE stuff while also talking about their special interests. This case being in Goonwaffe would be irrelevant EVE-wise.

Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA. Why would anyone want to join the slaves when he can be the master? The natural wish of the people to belong to the upper class is the basis of Goon recruitment scamming.

It's not the recruitment scam, but the master-slave setup is evil and being one of the reasons I want them lose a titan here!

200 titans and 4T bounty later CFC has no more titans and you can't even bridge your fleets. Of course you can hope that I don't have 4T and have to quit impoverished and defeated. But PL or N3 would gladly support my bounties if it leads to the destruction of the CFC titan fleet with 75% ISK ratio without breaking BoTLord.

I don't know if they count, but yes we nuked some Titans in build. There's an article about it on themittani.com

lol, the only problem with all of that is it's what you made up, and in no way based in fact. If you actually took the time to look into it, you'd see that Goonwaffe indeed do need to show up and have participation stats and such. Basically you've made some rubbish up, misinterpreted stats and then claim that all of that is the reason. But when you come down to it, the reason you made all that up in the first place is because you hated goons for not including you.

You realise that if you spent half the time you spend crying at goons and making up propoganda actually looking properly into the dynamics and learning how the coalition works, you'd actually stand a chance of becoming a realistic obstacle, right? It actually doesn't take that much to throw a spanner in the works of a large coalition. Unfortunately for you (and fortunately for me) you'd rather jump up and down and scream all day which just entertains us.

Did I just mention the Goons positively again? I'm not happy about that.

Please read this Goon flier! In this they explicitly say that they take someone with zero game experience into their fleet and give him ships to fly, asking nothing else than fitting into their culture and to prove that by being an active member of the iconic webpage of that culture.

The block candidate of the Goons got 3x more votes on CSM7 than anyone else (his later fate is not important here). They own vast amount of nullsec and taking more. They can even afford to waste lot of ISK and man-hours on completely stupid events. They are indeed powerful alliance. Why? Because they recognized anyone who is ready to fly a tackler frigate or a destroyer hunting tackler frigates is a valuable addition to the fleet

Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA.

It would be true if Goonwaffe would be just another corp in GSF, doing the same EVE stuff while also talking about their special interests. This case being in Goonwaffe would be irrelevant EVE-wise.

Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA. Why would anyone want to join the slaves when he can be the master? The natural wish of the people to belong to the upper class is the basis of Goon recruitment scamming.

It's not the recruitment scam, but the master-slave setup is evil and being one of the reasons I want them lose a titan here!

Since Mynnna only refused to sacrifice his own titan, but did not explain why awoxing Goon titans is a bad idea, I explain it as promised.

If you blow up an unfit titan, you suffer about 60B loss (Hull - bounty paid by Chribba - basic insurance). I suffer 20B loss. After all these, I can offer another 20B bounty and we'll be back where we are now, except for me losing 20B and CFC losing a titan and I'm bragging about 75% ISK ratio. Now you can leave me bragging or blow up another titan.

200 titans and 4T bounty later CFC has no more titans and you can't even bridge your fleets. Of course you can hope that I don't have 4T and have to quit impoverished and defeated. But PL or N3 would gladly support my bounties if it leads to the destruction of the CFC titan fleet with 75% ISK ratio without breaking BoTLord.

So you hate us because we are, in your view, an ideal ancap society?

find this despicable because it spreads the view among players that "having friends" and "hanging out" is the source of success, while this form of "success" is by definition unreachable by the majority, as for every noble, there must be dozens of serfs. The recruitment scams are a symptom of this: the ignorant wants to join the nobles (instead of the serfs, there is no SMA or TNT recruitment scam as no one would bite). Of course he can't join because if people could join en masse to Goonwaffe, CFC would collapse as everyone would be ratting and no one would grind structures in bombless bombers.

I find this despicable because it spreads the view among players that "having friends" and "hanging out" is the source of success, while this form of "success" is by definition unreachable by the majority, as for every noble, there must be dozens of serfs. The recruitment scams are a symptom of this: the ignorant wants to join the nobles (instead of the serfs, there is no SMA or TNT recruitment scam as no one would bite). Of course he can't join because if people could join en masse to Goonwaffe, CFC would collapse as everyone would be ratting and no one would grind structures in bombless bombers.

So in your mind I must be some poverty stricken serf? That's really strange, because I don't remember being poverty stricken, and I clearly have memories of SMA doing literally hundreds of things for their own benefit. I also distinctly remember seeing goons at every single coalition OP I've ever attended. I must be in a different SMA or something.

And we don't do recruitment scams as a matter of policy, nothing more. Do you honestly believe that someone dumb enough to hand over all their stuff and a security deposit would only do so because they are trying to join goons? These people are beyond normal levels of stupid. You could probably scam recruit them into an NPC corp.

I didn't apply to N3 for example.

Yes, there are a few Goons in ops, no doubt. But my killboard analysis says found that an average Goonwaffe member has 40% of the kills of an average RAZOR or average house slave (GSF member non-Goonwaffe). Do you claim the data is incorrect? Then do your own analysis with published raw data like I did.

"Handing over all your stuff" is stupid, but very common in nullsec. Practically everyone in nullsec demands full API key, and once you are there, you stuff is at their mercy, they can lock you out of their stations or awox you at will. So blaming the victims for trusting blindly in the recruiter in a world where everyone has to blindly trust in the recruiter is a bit odd. That being said, I wouldn't do either, hence I didn't apply to N3 for example.

As if you would add anything substantial to N3 anyway

I find this despicable because it spreads the view among players that "having friends" and "hanging out" is the source of success

Of course he can't join because if people could join en masse to Goonwaffe, CFC would collapse as everyone would be ratting and no one would grind structures in bombless bombers.

No one is going to sell out the chance to be with their space friends for virtual money. You think they would, because you seem to value in-game currency above literally everything else in your life. No one else is this broken, which is why your ideas fall flat.

You know that there were blue-kills in the history of EVE, right?

So we can say without doubt that several people abandoned their space-friends for virtual money or even less, a hilarious kill report and some tears to post in the forum.

Can you honestly not see the gaping whole in your plan there?

This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!

This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!

This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!

getting paid to PvP isn't the same thing as getting myself hellpurged from my coalition and having a scarlet letter sewn to my chest over just enough money to almost buy a super that I could then never use because no alliance with a capfleet would have me.

This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!

Anyone heard of the guy who pressed F1 on the primary? How about the ex-PL guy who awoxed the Revenant?

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!

Anyone heard of the guy who pressed F1 on the primary? How about the ex-PL guy who awoxed the Revenant?

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!

Once again, just because x = y doesn't mean z = q. Think about your bounty. It would be split at least 10 ways to even make killing a titan possible. Those 10 people would need to be in a corp where they hold a high enough position to extract the bounty once it's paid, and the whole corp would be purged and blacklisted from nearly every alliance in the game. All for a pretty low chance (titans aren't actually that easy to awox) at a pathetic sum of isk.

Comparing that to SRP is either a profoundly new level of misunderstanding or a deliberate attempt to move off point by someone that knows his idea is beyond stupid.

L O L.
Yeah, because people want to be known as "the guy that awoxed a titan once". Nobody gives a crap, it's been done a fair few times, and I can;t remember the name of any of them. To top it off, they'd be known as the guy that awoxed a titan for pocket change from a guy that can't play EVE.


Is this more of an insight into your mind more than anything else? Do you dream of one day being relevant even if just for a moment?
And lol, so someone can burn their entire identity for enough isk to buy a passable character, but only if they manage to awox the titan completely solo and have access to the corp wallet the bounty gets paid to.

Honestly Gevlon, I don;t think you have enough isk to realistically pay for a single titan awox. They aren't as simple as you seem to think they are, and there are far better ways of making considerably more than 20b for far far far less effort. If you are going to burn your whole identity, it's going to have to be enough to never need to care about isk again. Even burning a spy you'll need a couple of hundred b or a considerable strategic objective to make it worthwhile.

You know that there were blue-kills in the history of EVE, right?

Anyone heard of the guy who pressed F1 on the primary? How about the ex-PL guy who awoxed the Revenant?

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

So we can say without doubt that several people abandoned their space-friends for virtual money or even less