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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:00:00 -
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Very simple idea...because the 425mm Railgun is the equivalent of the Mega Beam Laser, can we have a 500mm Railgun equivalent to the Tachyon Beam Laser?
It wasn't an issue before, but now that Caldari are getting a railgun sniper Tier 3 battleship, it would be very useful.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:03:00 -
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As long as it does 8% more damage, uses 9% more cpu, 15% more powergrid, and 5% more capacitor. Or something close to that, to keep it inline with the Tachyons, and then we'd probably be needing a 1400mm artillery which follows the same pattern but actually gives less damage =)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:10:00 -
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Wait, so you're saying that because Caldari are getting a dedicated sniping ship, they should be given guns to make that ship even more wtfhax, but when it was only Gallente using rails it "wasn't an issue"? Tachyons are considered a tier above all the other guns. Consider Dual 250mms to be low tier, 350mms medium tier, 425mms top tier, and Tachyons "Uber Tier".
Besides, if you get a 500mm railgun, I get a 1600mm artillery, and you really don't want me to calculate the alpha strike of that beast.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:15:00 -
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425mms already have more range than tachyons... 
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:17:00 -
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625mm Railguns and 1600mm Artillery would be very nice, but would be almost impossible ot fit... I kinda like the idea but I really think it would open up a can of worms.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:17:00 -
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So having 3 railguns to choose from isn't enough? Now you want to add a 4th? 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
425mms already have more range than tachyons...
They want everything, more range, more damage, better damage types.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
425mms already have more range than tachyons...
better damage types.
*ahem*EXPLOSIVE*cough*CRYSTALS*splutter*
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
As long as it does 8% more damage, uses 9% more cpu, 15% more powergrid, and 5% more capacitor. Or something close to that, to keep it inline with the Tachyons, and then we'd probably be needing a 1400mm artillery which follows the same pattern but actually gives less damage =)
Yes to all of the above.
Originally by: Sarmaul
Wait, so you're saying that because Caldari are getting a dedicated sniping ship, they should be given guns to make that ship even more wtfhax
Just because it's a Caldari sniper does not make it "wtfhax". Caldari are supposed to be the specialists in long-range combat, there's no reason all three other races should be better at sniping.
Originally by: Sarmaul
but when it was only Gallente using rails it "wasn't an issue"?
Correct.
(A) The Gallente were using them on the Megathron, which is supposed to be a blaster ship, not railgun, evidenced by:
--(1) The current bonuses being to hybrid damage and tracking, tracking being useful for close range blasters but not particularly useful to sniping with railguns.
--(2) The original bonuses being to blasters specifically, rather than hybrids in general.
(B) The Megathron is only a Tier 2 battleship, while the Roc will be a Tier 3 battleship.
Originally by: "Sarmaul"
I get a 1600mm artillery, and you really don't want me to calculate the alpha strike of that beast.
So long as it has the requisite 30-second RoF 
Originally by: Dark Shikari
425mms already have more range than tachyons...
Only slightly, and the DPS advantage more than outweighs it.
Originally by: Toaster Oven
So having 3 railguns to choose from isn't enough? Now you want to add a 4th?
Yes.
Mostly because the Dual 250mm Railgun is so useless that I don't even count it, so I REALLY have 2 battleship-class railguns to choose frome.
I'd love to throw the Dual 250 away entirely, in exchange for having a 500mm Railgun available.
Originally by: Gierling
625mm Railguns and 1600mm Artillery would be very nice
No, 500mm, not 625mm.
350mm + 75mm = 425mm.
425mm + 75mm = 500mm.
(Dual 250's obviously don't count because they're DUAL barrel weapons.)
Originally by: Gierling
but would be almost impossible ot fit...
On a Tier 1, just about impossible. On a Tier 2, difficult. On a Tier 3...well, it should work relatively well, about as easily as a full rack of Tachyon Beams will fit on a Tier 3 Abbaddon battleship.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:35:00 -
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I'd like to throw away the 1200mm railgun and add 1600mm and 1800mm. sadly, it ain't gonna happen unless I somehow get tuxford's job.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:44:00 -
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I think just adding 1600mm Artillery would be enough...besides, 1800mm artillery would probably be impossible to fit, even on a Tier 3...
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:46:00 -
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dual 250's should have significantly lower signature resolution.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:47:00 -
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So let me see here.
You have missiles. You have EW. You have most of the best ships in the game.. and now you want a tachyon beam railgun equivalent?
Might as well remove Amarr from Eve. Caldari whiner
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
425mms already have more range than tachyons...
better damage types.
*ahem*EXPLOSIVE*cough*CRYSTALS*splutter*
What explosive crystals, stop teasing me
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Kai Jyokoroi
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
So let me see here.
You have missiles. You have EW. You have most of the best ships in the game.. and now you want a tachyon beam railgun equivalent?
Might as well remove Amarr from Eve. Caldari whiner
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:00:00 -
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sure, if we get tachyon pulses (you got neutrons  )
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 04/06/2006 02:03:29
Originally by: Frools
sure, if we get tachyon pulses (you got neutrons )
Well actually Gallente get neutrons...
But yeah, sure, I don't see why not.
EDIT: That is, of course, ONLY assuming that mega pulses line up to ions, not neutrons.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
You have missiles. You have EW.
That's completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Missiles are useful on Ravens.
EW is useful on Scorpions.
Railguns are useful on Tier 3's.
Missiles and EW are irrelevant for the Tier 3 battleship, just like railguns are irrelevant for the Raven.
You can only fly one ship at a time, so no, I don't have missiles AND EW already. This ship will JUST have the 425's, which need a Tier 3 version.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:16:00 -
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Actually, the 350mm Rail is the "mega beam", the 425mm is the tachy
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
Actually, the 350mm Rail is the "mega beam", the 425mm is the tachy
You didn't click the link in the OP, did you?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
As long as it does 8% more damage, uses 9% more cpu, 15% more powergrid, and 5% more capacitor. Or something close to that, to keep it inline with the Tachyons, and then we'd probably be needing a 1400mm artillery which follows the same pattern but actually gives less damage =)
Isn't there already a 1400mm arty?
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.04 03:34:00 -
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Quote:
I'd like to throw away the 1200mm railgun and add 1600mm and 1800mm.
Boy, somebody didn't slept yet
Railguns are fine, don't tweak them or add new ones.
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Posted - 2006.06.04 03:44:00 -
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bad idea, rails are fine just the way they are.
If you don't like it, try being a real man and using blasters :p
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.06.04 03:57:00 -
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If I recall correctly, Tach's are supposed to be the "Be all end all" of turrents becuase Amarr are almost exclusively turrents. every other race splits between 2 weapon systems, however Amarr ships with only a few exceptions are turrent users. Heck the Armageddon doesn't even get a missle slot does it?
I am training up for the teir 3 Caldari ship, and all nessesary support skills currently. I am fine with 425's as they are, well maybe lose 5-10% of there cap use.
Besides, I don't ever want to get hit by 1600mm tech II arty, EVER.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.06.04 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Besides, I don't ever want to get hit by 1600mm tech II arty, EVER.
I don't even want to do a theoretical volley calc on that. >_<
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Posted - 2006.06.04 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
425mms already have more range than tachyons...
They want everything, more range, more damage, better damage types.
Caldari, winning eve one whine at a time
wtb caldari battleship with rail bonuses... o wait..
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.06.04 05:00:00 -
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in the past devs stated that Tachs where supposed to be more damaging that other high end long range guns.
so is not that 425mm or 1400mm are "underpowered", is just that is designed that way.
also consider that ship bonuses balance the damage a bit, amarr ships need a cap usage bonus to be able to use well their guns so actually they lose a bonus that can be applied to boost turrets dps.
thacs are also quite problematic to fit so is not so easy to get the best out of these turrets.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.06.04 05:07:00 -
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rumor has it that there will be new "tier 3" guns.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
425mms already have more range than tachyons...
They want everything, more range, more damage, better damage types.
Caldari, winning eve one whine at a time
wtb caldari battleship with rail bonuses... o wait..
Where did i say there shouldn't be a Caldari rail bs?
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Kyguard
You have missiles. You have EW.
That's completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Missiles are useful on Ravens.
EW is useful on Scorpions.
EW isn't usefull on Ravens?
lol
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:46:00 -
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/me counts number of railguns
/me counts number of artillery
Yeah, but first we need 1600mm and 1800mm arty =/. Make 1200mm into dual 720mms.
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Ernest Graefenberg
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Posted - 2006.06.04 07:13:00 -
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I'd like a weapon for the new Caldari Tier 3 BS that launches little Kestrels across an entire grid. Damage types depend on what the Kestrels were fitted with. Call it the 15000mm railgun.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.06.04 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
I'd like a weapon for the new Caldari Tier 3 BS that launches little Kestrels across an entire grid. Damage types depend on what the Kestrels were fitted with. Call it the 15000mm railgun.
And min can get one that shoots big balls of scrap meta... I mean our ships too.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 04/06/2006 10:03:31
Originally by: Meridius
EW isn't usefull on Ravens?
The Raven gets no bonuses to EW, so really, EW is MUCH more usefull to for a Tempest (Raven has 6 medslots to tank with vs 5 medslots with an armor tank), and possibly even the Megathron (4 medslots with an armor tank).
Originally by: Foulis
/me counts number of railguns
/me counts number of artillery
Yeah, but first we need 1600mm and 1800mm arty =/. Make 1200mm into dual 720mms.
Nah, you should just ADD a Dual 720mm artillery and get a 1600mm artillery.
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
I'd like a weapon for the new Caldari Tier 3 BS that launches little Kestrels across an entire grid. Damage types depend on what the Kestrels were fitted with. Call it the 15000mm railgun.
Yes, we call that a Chimaera.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: El Yatta on 04/06/2006 10:46:59
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 04/06/2006 10:03:31
Originally by: Meridius
EW isn't usefull on Ravens?
The Raven gets no bonuses to EW, so really, EW is MUCH more usefull to for a Tempest (Raven has 6 medslots to tank with vs 5 medslots with an armor tank), and possibly even the Megathron (4 medslots with an armor tank).
Originally by: Foulis
/me counts number of railguns
/me counts number of artillery
Yeah, but first we need 1600mm and 1800mm arty =/. Make 1200mm into dual 720mms.
Nah, you should just ADD a Dual 720mm artillery and get a 1600mm artillery.
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
I'd like a weapon for the new Caldari Tier 3 BS that launches little Kestrels across an entire grid. Damage types depend on what the Kestrels were fitted with. Call it the 15000mm railgun.
Yes, we call that a Chimaera.
No offense Nikolai, but ever since talking constantly about the tier 3s became fashionable here in ships'n'mods, you've been campaigning ruthlessly to make the caldari one ridiculously overpowered. Dont get me wrong, I am a Caldari pilot and a gun specialist, and the cal tier3 is the only one that interests me.
But, I dont see any reason to break the game by giving it 8 turrets and a damage bonus (like you were lobbying for in another thread) or making uberwtfpwnguns for it, which presumably the Megathron couldn't fit, as its "only tier 2". Making 500m railguns that the mega struggles to fit, but somehow fit perfectly on the caldari ship, would make the mega useless, even more so if you got 8 guns and a damage bonus.
I dont buy that, because the difference between the tiers is NOT in quality, to be honest - geddon is a better tachyon boat than apoc, arguably, dominix is a superb battleship, and they are both tier 1. There is absolutely no reason to obsolete the megathron at all "just because its tier 2". Im fairly sure that the megathron, as a gallente ship, and (should the gallente get an all-out blaster boat for a tier 3), a railboat, should do more DPS than the caldari railboat. I'm quite happy with that, as long as we had a range bonus to be able to hit from afar, and do more damage at the same ranges! And to keep this equality, we shouldn't somehow fit bigger guns than it - we already both have 3 railguns, its nice and balanced. Rails are good atm. Leave it as it is.
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:51:00 -
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:05:00 -
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/signed.
Give us Caldari a bit of love.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
This post is going in the list of "posts by people with smallest understanding of game balance evar".
I'd like that list ^^
Originally by: Oveur
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Korun Kiatarr
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:14:00 -
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I can spare 2-3 lowslots on my tempest anyway so yes give us 1800mm Artys that fit with 2-3 RCU II :D
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Merv Tring
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:20:00 -
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I want the 6500mm Howitzer suggested in the Typhoon description thread. It uses 20k CPU, with the Typhoon getting a 99% reduction in CPU use for it.
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Testy Mctest
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BY THE WAY: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TURRENTS!
Originally by: Sarmaul
I WILL FIREBOMB CCP IF MINMATAR GET A T2 BATTLECRUISER WITH A ******* TARGET PAINTING BONUS
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Kye Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:45:00 -
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Sometimes i think Caldari pilots live in there own little world. 
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Morreia
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Posted - 2006.06.04 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Morreia on 04/06/2006 12:45:12
If Caldari get new rails then I demand that we get black hole blasters that do stupid amount of damage but can only be fitted on a megathron, it is as you say meant to be a blaster boat. So if your rail boat gets special guns to make it absolutly awsome, our blaster boat should get guns for it as well.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.04 12:50:00 -
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So you are saying that hybrids need another gun type because they have 3 tiers, and amarr have 3 tiers, and they should have more than amarr, while everyone should **** on minmatar who have two tiers.
Was this it?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta
No offense Nikolai, but ever since talking constantly about the tier 3s became fashionable here in ships'n'mods, you've been campaigning ruthlessly to make the caldari one ridiculously overpowered. Dont get me wrong, I am a Caldari pilot and a gun specialist, and the cal tier3 is the only one that interests me.
But, I dont see any reason to break the game by giving it 8 turrets and a damage bonus (like you were lobbying for in another thread) or making uberwtfpwnguns for it, which presumably the Megathron couldn't fit, as its "only tier 2". Making 500m railguns that the mega struggles to fit, but somehow fit perfectly on the caldari ship, would make the mega useless, even more so if you got 8 guns and a damage bonus.
No, you've got me completely wrong.
First of all, I've come to the conclusion that the Roc is NOT going to have optimal and damage bonuses, it will most likely be range and resists.
However, adding the 500mm railguns will allow it to get that extra damage BUT not for free in the way that a damage bonus would...it's ONLY available with the cost of extra fitting/cap requirements.
Furthermore, I never said that it would fit perfectly on the Roc and not at all on the Megathron...it would just fit more EASILY on the Roc than it would fit on the Megathron.
Originally by: Merv Tring
I want the 6500mm Howitzer suggested in the Typhoon description thread. It uses 20k CPU, with the Typhoon getting a 99% reduction in CPU use for it.
Remember, the ship also explodes the first time the weapon is fired
Originally by: Morreia
If Caldari get new rails then I demand that we get black hole blasters that do stupid amount of damage but can only be fitted on a megathron, it is as you say meant to be a blaster boat. So if your rail boat gets special guns to make it absolutly awsome, our blaster boat should get guns for it as well.
You already have them, they're called Neutron Blaster Cannons, and they're already nearly more than the Megathron can handle.
Originally by: HippoKing
So you are saying that hybrids need another gun type because they have 3 tiers, and amarr have 3 tiers, and they should have more than amarr, while everyone should **** on minmatar who have two tiers.
Was this it?
No, that's not quite it.
I'm saying that the 1st tier rail (Dual 250mm) is utterly useless, the second tier rail (350mm) lines up with the first tier laser, and the third tier rail (425mm) lines up with the second tier laser, so there should be a rail that lines up with the third tier laser...hell, we could get rid of the first tier rail so there would be three of each.
And I'd be fine with Minmatar getting a third tier artillery.
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Posted - 2006.06.04 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/06/2006 18:03:38
Originally by: Gierling
dual 250's should have significantly lower signature resolution.
Like half, yea.
But anyway, Tachs are an Amarr advantage, deal.
Hast, I got a second one for that list...Derisor.
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Posted - 2006.06.04 18:06:00 -
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Not that EVE cares about real life Physics, but a 500mm charge is over 60% larger in volume than a 425mm charge of the same factor. Call that 60% more energy to launch and 60% more firepower packed in to it etc. Last I checked the Tachyon does less than 10% more damage than the Mega Beam. A 437.5mm gun would be more in line with laser damage progression between weapon classes, giving 9.1% more volume etc. over a 425 mm charge.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.04 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: GlimmerMan
Not that EVE cares about real life Physics, but a 500mm charge is over 60% larger in volume than a 425mm charge of the same factor. Call that 60% more energy to launch and 60% more firepower packed in to it etc. Last I checked the Tachyon does less than 10% more damage than the Mega Beam. A 437.5mm gun would be more in line with laser damage progression between weapon classes, giving 9.1% more volume etc. over a 425 mm charge.
The other railguns don't operate that way either...compare the 75mm railgun to the 150mm railgun, the difference should be MASSIVE...like more than triple...but it isn't.
The difference in calibers doesn't make sense anyway because 75mm and 150mm railguns use the exact same ammunition, but Dual 150mm railguns use different ammunition...etc etc.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
So you are saying that hybrids need another gun type because they have 3 tiers, and amarr have 3 tiers, and they should have more than amarr, while everyone should **** on minmatar who have two tiers.
Was this it?
Well, Minmatar has 3 tiers of short range guns while Amarr has 2 so its sorta balanced out.
Except for Gallente/Caldari, they get 3 short and 3 long.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2006.06.04 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: HippoKing
So you are saying that hybrids need another gun type because they have 3 tiers, and amarr have 3 tiers, and they should have more than amarr, while everyone should **** on minmatar who have two tiers.
Was this it?
Well, Minmatar has 3 tiers of short range guns while Amarr has 2 so its sorta balanced out.
Except for Gallente/Caldari, they get 3 short and 3 long.
Aye, but only two sizes of missile, (except cruisers which get one!) and one size of drones!
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: HippoKing
So you are saying that hybrids need another gun type because they have 3 tiers, and amarr have 3 tiers, and they should have more than amarr, while everyone should **** on minmatar who have two tiers.
Was this it?
Well, Minmatar has 3 tiers of short range guns while Amarr has 2 so its sorta balanced out.
Except for Gallente/Caldari, they get 3 short and 3 long.
Aye, but only two sizes of missile, (except cruisers which get one!) and one size of drones!
Everyone gets 2 sizes of missiles and one size of drones
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Posted - 2006.06.04 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Testy Mctest
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I'd like that list ^^
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BY THE WAY: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TURRENTS!
it's Detarus, and you won this thread
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2006.06.04 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: El Yatta
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: HippoKing
So you are saying that hybrids need another gun type because they have 3 tiers, and amarr have 3 tiers, and they should have more than amarr, while everyone should **** on minmatar who have two tiers.
Was this it?
Well, Minmatar has 3 tiers of short range guns while Amarr has 2 so its sorta balanced out.
Except for Gallente/Caldari, they get 3 short and 3 long.
Aye, but only two sizes of missile, (except cruisers which get one!) and one size of drones!
Everyone gets 2 sizes of missiles and one size of drones
Aye, and its not like any races specialise in missiles or drones, eh? What fun!
Anyway, I think the weapon diversity in eve is pretty good, I dont see a reason to make there 3 of every weapon, all modified by the same % modifiers in grid, cpu, cap use, damage mod, RoF and range. No changes for now, thankyou barman.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.04 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta
Anyway, I think the weapon diversity in eve is pretty good, I dont see a reason to make there 3 of every weapon, all modified by the same % modifiers in grid, cpu, cap use, damage mod, RoF and range. No changes for now, thankyou barman.
Yep, no need to make everything exactly the same.
But the races that only get 2 (ie, Minmatar) could at least get 2 *working* guns, instead of one that only really is good for fleets and ganking and another that is useless in all situations.
Yes, I can turn anything into a Minmatar whine. Although Im sure you'd all much rather here Minmatar whining than posts like this OP.
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DarKDruG
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Posted - 2006.06.05 08:21:00 -
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I think i'll like the roc. If it indeed gets an optimal range bonus (which is pretty much certain going by all caldari gunships), it'll be the first BS that can snipe from a safespot \o/. As far as balance goes, it should have 8 turret hp's and no there should not be any stronger guns (the bigger the gun, the bigger the optimal => rails). I'd prefer to be in the same system if i shoot someone.
For those who would immediately jump on the statement "it should have 8 turret hp's", saying it would make the megathron obsolete. If you train up gallente bs to a minimum of lvl3 (which any respectable thron pilot should have at at least lvl 4), you're already outdamaging the 8 railguns on the Roc (is this the official name?) and increasingly more per bs lvl. This will keep the balance of a lower dps but longer range sniper and an up close shotgun boat.
Even if both were fitted with the same loadout (full rack of neutrons or full rack of 425's), the ratio stays the same: gallente = shorter optimal with more damage VS caldari = longer range but less punchpower.
("i'm caldari and i don't like missiles": famous last words before being executed by the State Counsil)
If this makes too much sense to warrant a reply, then people really have gone shortsighted.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.05 08:36:00 -
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As far as I'm aware the whole "tach=nberer then rest" philosophy was buried more then a year ago already.
Only the recent buffage of the tach seems to indicate a return to it according to some, but that's not a warranted response imo.
So unless I'm mistaken the 425mm, 1400mm and tach get equated in just about every graph and comparison publicised by Tux, and by TomB before him. In my eyes, it no longer make sense to have turrets that defy comparison.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.06.05 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Besides, if you get a 500mm railgun, I get a 1600mm artillery, and you really don't want me to calculate the alpha strike of that beast.
Something along the lines of the No "the sheer destructive power of particle blasters"? :)
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