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Rohann
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Posted - 2006.06.08 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18
For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything.
GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.08 06:31:00 -
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Ahh the GWN...
The very first real kill (not a gank) I ever had, was on the first day of the GNW. About 5 min after n'fran made his Everlasting Vendetta (unicor) goes to war. The second one was 20 seconds after the first...
What did it teach me?
Well alliences can die (sorrta, see the second). And the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Lets be honest, before the GNW, PA was the power house of the north. Yet they fell, eventually, and it took a lot of work.
That alliences can live in a zombie like state, only to be revived eventually, and claim nothing ever happened.
I think it made the warfare style thats still in use today. Or at least had a large influance on it. The GWN was when the gank fitting was made. When the current methode of killing alliences came around. When fleet syles became popular. Bob was fourmed. I think a lot of us cut our teath during that time frame.
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VileLust
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Posted - 2006.06.08 06:34:00 -
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^ couldnt put it better myself.
It set the way for what I think is the current mindset of the game... Bigger isnt better=]
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Ramireza
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Posted - 2006.06.08 06:36:00 -
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Without the GNW i surely stopped playing EvE after 2 month of playing.
I will REALY thank... ÷h.... forget the name, ****... its a ally with 3 letters... mmh... B.. dunno, forgot the name 
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.08 06:38:00 -
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 Originally by: VileLust
^ couldnt put it better myself.
It set the way for what I think is the current mindset of the game... Bigger isnt better=]
Hard to put into words. But I personally think, the style of allience PVP thats still in use today for the most part, was first seen during the GNW. And as much as I hate to admit it, BOB were the first, and IMO they deserve credit for that. (though the little known fact was that I advised them, only blacklight was to drunk to remember)
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PSA1SWIPE
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:19:00 -
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i learned its agmae and take it as that cause people seem to want to **** other over but hey i had my fun as we all did :)
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Kyeph
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: VileLust
^ couldnt put it better myself.
It set the way for what I think is the current mindset of the game... Bigger isnt better=]
Hard to put into words. But I personally think, the style of allience PVP thats still in use today for the most part, was first seen during the GNW. And as much as I hate to admit it, BOB were the first, and IMO they deserve credit for that. (though the little known fact was that I advised them, only blacklight was to drunk to remember)
Dude wtf are you talking about BoB wasnt around in the GNW that is a new thing the Great Northern War was over 2 years ago.
GNW consisted of NVA, F-E Evol and various other hardcore corps.
Yes the people of BOB were there but BoB itself wasnt.
Do you know what your talking about?
sorry to seem like a flame, but just really gnarks me off when people start talking about crap they obviously know absolutely nothing about.
GNW taught all those who know anything about it that it doesnt take guns and ships to kill alliances thats just the fun bit.
this was the time of Warp in point ganking, of mine fields, of hideously long gate camps, of massive 50+ fleets.
F-E and NVA and all others that were around that time that took part shaped the north and a small part of the south for the indefinate future.
and just to re-iterate, im not an alt i was there from the beginning and before it all started. but main is perma banned.
Lord Guerdo
Old Timer F-E
P.S. sorry got abit carried away just erks me a little
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:32:00 -
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Actually Guerdo, no you are wrong.
What peopl refer to as the GNW these days means the war between PA (NVA successor) and a semi-coalition of corps and alliances. It took place roughly between early 2004 and early 2005. BoB wasn't there in name at the start, but it certainly was near the end, and before that while operating under a differetn name. Same corps, same people, just less of them.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/06/2006 07:42:14
I learnt too much to list here but here are some of the things I didn't know before.
War is attrition.
War is hell.
War is fun.
War is propoganda.
War is destructive on those around you.
War forms bonds closer than any other state of mind.
War can be won.
War can be lost.
SirMolle overall tactics during that war were miles above anything I have seen to date. No-one has even come close to the complete dismantling of an alliance on all fronts.
Those who took part on the frontlines of the GNW on all sides took away something very special that I doubt the new characters in the game will ever experience again.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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juduzz
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: juduzz on 08/06/2006 07:42:18
The GNW was my first war tought me how to fight, made me realise there is no Black and white every thingis just a varying shade of grey.
The smack ect was BAD, even though the words used were proberly worst then today ppl seemed to learn from them on both sides wasnt just smack for smack sake most the time.
So many things were born out of that war. There hasnt been a war like it since IMO and doubt there will be again, which realy is a bad thing cus it was amazing in its own way :/
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Kyeph
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Actually Guerdo, no you are wrong.
What peopl refer to as the GNW these days means the war between PA (NVA successor) and a semi-coalition of corps and alliances. It took place roughly between early 2004 and early 2005. BoB wasn't there in name at the start, but it certainly was near the end, and before that while operating under a differetn name. Same corps, same people, just less of them.
which is what i said mon frere BOB was not around it had nothing to do with them, but the people in BOB were indeed involved in the GNW and i know when it took place, i was in it.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:53:00 -
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Ah yes, but you referred to the NVA, which was in a war before the GNW we talk about here. That one included F-E and Evol as well, while the GNW didn't include F-E as much, yet did include m0o, Atuk, RKK, and BNC alongside Evol, which amounts to: BoB. Actually we used the name BoB in the GNW already, albeit towards the end. At first we had no name as a group, then we used CCCP, which got switched to BoB somewhere in the last months of the war IIRR.
What Lorth says about BoB in the GNW is largely correct.
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Mad Mackem
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Posted - 2006.06.08 08:03:00 -
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I learned Blob wars, hundred's sitting on gates, shell we jump in?, will they jump in?.
Seem to remember the server handling it better then strangely.
Regards
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Kyeph
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Posted - 2006.06.08 08:04:00 -
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Ahh yes my mistake PA not NVA im damned sure F-E were involved in it aswell but indeed u guys were the fore front of the attack, KIA RKK Evol m0o F-E plus others were involved.
anyway il back down from turning this into a debate about who was there and who did what, was a lng time ago and this has all been debated before hehe
Major lessons learned though during war
Guns dont bring down alliances,
Wars are expensive,
shooting folks is fun
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.06.08 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 08/06/2006 08:12:15
What dbp said and the stuff below.
Dimz flies a very big yellow ship and pops easily
TWD flies a small yellow ship but is a ******* ***** to pop
Dukath has alot of patience
To withstand everything we had thrown against us reasonably well only to have the alliance dismantled by being ordered back to empire by cochise was a true priceless moment that totally collapsed the PA and allowed bob to write history just the way they wanted it. Everything up to that point was a good and intensive war that i thoroughly enjoyed. To have it destroyed by your own people at the end sucked immensely. Lesson learned however.
Anyways that last bit many might disagree with me about but it's the way I feel about it and maybe some others that left during that phase aswell. 
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2006.06.08 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Muthsera on 08/06/2006 08:26:46
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/06/2006 07:42:14
I learnt too much to list here but here are some of the things I didn't know before.
War is attrition.
War is hell.
War is fun.
War is propoganda.
War is destructive on those around you.
War forms bonds closer than any other state of mind.
War can be won.
War can be lost.
SirMolle overall tactics during that war were miles above anything I have seen to date. No-one has even come close to the complete dismantling of an alliance on all fronts.
Those who took part on the frontlines of the GNW on all sides took away something very special that I doubt the new characters in the game will ever experience again.
dbp
One of these days I'll have to put and alt in there to see what the fuss is about molle.
But the GNW was one of the greatest events that players have ever created in this game. It had everything. And it become a legend becus of that. I look back on GNW whit fondness and a view of changed perseption. GNW was the central event that changed me, stepping away from simple view of mining and industry to a combat oriented playing style. I saw the light.
Rabble
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2006.06.08 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rohann
Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18
For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything.
GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage
LOL
i saw your name rohann buddy and all i thought was
you before (o)
you after ( )
eh fuclk it ive been drinkin
"Long Live the Fighters!"
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.06.08 08:42:00 -
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GNW taught me a few things,
- Never trust politicians
- Never trust carebears
- War is hell
- Blacklight gangs will go where no man sober would dare to think of going
- Molle is without a doubt a logistical genius,everyone comments on his cunning,his skills as a FC but frankly all that means nothing if you can't find away to keep people on the front line and in ships.
- Don't focus always on the land mine you just steped on ,look around for the others you might step on in the future.
- If you have a problem,solve it yourself,don't burry your head in the sand,cross your fingers and pray it will go away,that problem will come back and bite you in the ass 9 times out of 10.
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Alberta
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kyeph
Ahh yes my mistake PA not NVA im damned sure F-E were involved in it aswell but indeed u guys were the fore front of the attack, KIA RKK Evol m0o F-E plus others were involved.
anyway il back down from turning this into a debate about who was there and who did what, was a lng time ago and this has all been debated before hehe
Major lessons learned though during war
Guns dont bring down alliances,
Wars are expensive,
shooting folks is fun
For the sake of accuracy and because I'm bored at work...
KIA weren't there as such, particularly not as an individual entity. RONA-KIA were there as a member of the PA for a good portion of the war until the RONA group joined CA.
Things I learned.
- It's perfectly possible to make a living from PvP loot if you have a great deal of game time.
- 5km/s cruisers are fantastic fun.
- If you want a powerful alliance/corp players who aren't commited to the team have no place in it.
Unfortunately the first two of these pretty much worthless to me these days. 
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Gravis
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:43:00 -
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GNW taught me that Swedes can bee really blonde.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 08/06/2006 09:58:36
I was involved in it. Not sure who i was in at the time. Either Paladins of the redskull or Biomass cartel.
Man it was so long ago.
I remember humping what felt like 500 jumps , this was before people had insta bookmarks just to die. Was great fun really.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:59:00 -
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GNW taught me how to blow up Rohann
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 08/06/2006 10:03:29
hey lil' buddy and cuz of Rohann I learned that the "Mute player"function on TS can be your best friend.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:19:00 -
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I learned that council meetings were bad.
I learned how to lead fleets.
I learned that numbers is not everything, but fear is.
Being everywhere is the key to winning a war.
Your home is secondary. Invading the enemy is most important.
If you are invaded, and on an offensive. Ignore the invasion.
Mining veld/scord/jaspet in 0.0 so you can have mins to build ammo for the next day = best war ever.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Those who took part on the frontlines of the GNW on all sides took away something very special that I doubt the new characters in the game will ever experience again.
dbp
Dead on DBP. There will never be a war like the GNW. Every side was on the brink. It came down to a mental game. Who could hold out. The GNW was before the POS. When people could actually be so broke that they could not buy and equip a cruiser, but would jump in a vigil and fight. The good ol days. 
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Franky B
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Franky B on 08/06/2006 10:25:45
I pose you all a question:
If the EXACT same events of the GNW (including fleet numbers etc) were to occur today would they be as memorable as the original GNW? may it be that because it was such a crisp and fresh experience for so many people, that those people have taken home a chunk of the GNW in their pockets as memorabilia?
remember watching TV shows as a kid, or seeing your family car and then 20 years later you look at those same 2 things and think "hmm, it wasnt as big as I thought".
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Franky B
Edited by: Franky B on 08/06/2006 10:25:45
I pose you all a question:
If the EXACT same events of the GNW (including fleet numbers etc) were to occur today would they be as memorable as the original GNW? may it be that because it was such a crisp and fresh experience for so many people, that those people have taken home a chunk of the GNW in their pockets as memorabilia?
remember watching TV shows as a kid, or seeing your family car and then 20 years later you look at those same 2 things and think "hmm, it wasnt as big as I thought".
Since the GNW, there have been larger wars. The GNW had every 0.0 EvE player involved or worried about who would come out on top. That kind of warfare is history. Wars now seem much faster. You invade and pop some towers, take over a station and get your enemy to surrender. Or they give a big FU and fight on. Now, if there is any kind of dedicated resistance, most corps/alliances will back off.
During the GNW. Every force put up resistance until the last month or so. Also, since the GNW. There has not been a large scale 7 month war.
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 08/06/2006 10:41:54
I wasn't there, but it reminds me of another game, where the greatest and best wars happened also rather early. Guess it's because in the early stage of the game, people are rather 'innocent', less experienced and just enjoy fighting and trying it all out.
Over time pvp develops more into a direction that can be called pro-gaming, with more 'effective' gameplay e.g. more advanced tactics to win, all sides know how to minimize losses etc. and warfare becomes less exciting than in the early stages of a game. People have lost their 'innocence'.
But that's just a theory of course. 
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:41:00 -
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O man, this brings back some good times.
Linkage
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:56:00 -
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oh ffs Sweaty now I feel old. Why don't you just pull up some of the more notorious threads from the era?
P.S. Grab Dest and get both of ur gimp ass'in my alliance,I miss drinkin with you and Notfer.
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