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Rohann	Posted - 2006.06.08 06:16:00 - [1] Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage
Lorth	Posted - 2006.06.08 06:31:00 - [2] Ahh the GWN... The very first real kill (not a gank) I ever had, was on the first day of the GNW. About 5 min after n'fran made his Everlasting Vendetta (unicor) goes to war. The second one was 20 seconds after the first... What did it teach me? Well alliences can die (sorrta, see the second). And the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Lets be honest, before the GNW, PA was the power house of the north. Yet they fell, eventually, and it took a lot of work. That alliences can live in a zombie like state, only to be revived eventually, and claim nothing ever happened. I think it made the warfare style thats still in use today. Or at least had a large influance on it. The GWN was when the gank fitting was made. When the current methode of killing alliences came around. When fleet syles became popular. Bob was fourmed. I think a lot of us cut our teath during that time frame.
VileLust	Posted - 2006.06.08 06:34:00 - [3] ^ couldnt put it better myself. It set the way for what I think is the current mindset of the game... Bigger isnt better=]
Ramireza	Posted - 2006.06.08 06:36:00 - [4] Without the GNW i surely stopped playing EvE after 2 month of playing. I will REALY thank... ÷h.... forget the name, ****... its a ally with 3 letters... mmh... B.. dunno, forgot the name
Lorth	Posted - 2006.06.08 06:38:00 - [5] Originally by: VileLust ^ couldnt put it better myself. It set the way for what I think is the current mindset of the game... Bigger isnt better=] Hard to put into words. But I personally think, the style of allience PVP thats still in use today for the most part, was first seen during the GNW. And as much as I hate to admit it, BOB were the first, and IMO they deserve credit for that. (though the little known fact was that I advised them, only blacklight was to drunk to remember)
PSA1SWIPE	Posted - 2006.06.08 07:19:00 - [6] i learned its agmae and take it as that cause people seem to want to **** other over but hey i had my fun as we all did :) I like bunny wabbits
Kyeph	Posted - 2006.06.08 07:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: VileLust ^ couldnt put it better myself. It set the way for what I think is the current mindset of the game... Bigger isnt better=] Hard to put into words. But I personally think, the style of allience PVP thats still in use today for the most part, was first seen during the GNW. And as much as I hate to admit it, BOB were the first, and IMO they deserve credit for that. (though the little known fact was that I advised them, only blacklight was to drunk to remember) Dude wtf are you talking about BoB wasnt around in the GNW that is a new thing the Great Northern War was over 2 years ago. GNW consisted of NVA, F-E Evol and various other hardcore corps. Yes the people of BOB were there but BoB itself wasnt. Do you know what your talking about? sorry to seem like a flame, but just really gnarks me off when people start talking about crap they obviously know absolutely nothing about. GNW taught all those who know anything about it that it doesnt take guns and ships to kill alliances thats just the fun bit. this was the time of Warp in point ganking, of mine fields, of hideously long gate camps, of massive 50+ fleets. F-E and NVA and all others that were around that time that took part shaped the north and a small part of the south for the indefinate future. and just to re-iterate, im not an alt i was there from the beginning and before it all started. but main is perma banned. Lord Guerdo Old Timer F-E P.S. sorry got abit carried away just erks me a little
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.06.08 07:32:00 - [8] Actually Guerdo, no you are wrong. What peopl refer to as the GNW these days means the war between PA (NVA successor) and a semi-coalition of corps and alliances. It took place roughly between early 2004 and early 2005. BoB wasn't there in name at the start, but it certainly was near the end, and before that while operating under a differetn name. Same corps, same people, just less of them. Old blog
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.06.08 07:41:00 - [9] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/06/2006 07:42:14 I learnt too much to list here but here are some of the things I didn't know before. War is attrition. War is hell. War is fun. War is propoganda. War is destructive on those around you. War forms bonds closer than any other state of mind. War can be won. War can be lost. SirMolle overall tactics during that war were miles above anything I have seen to date. No-one has even come close to the complete dismantling of an alliance on all fronts. Those who took part on the frontlines of the GNW on all sides took away something very special that I doubt the new characters in the game will ever experience again. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
juduzz	Posted - 2006.06.08 07:41:00 - [10] Edited by: juduzz on 08/06/2006 07:42:18 The GNW was my first war tought me how to fight, made me realise there is no Black and white every thingis just a varying shade of grey. The smack ect was BAD, even though the words used were proberly worst then today ppl seemed to learn from them on both sides wasnt just smack for smack sake most the time. So many things were born out of that war. There hasnt been a war like it since IMO and doubt there will be again, which realy is a bad thing cus it was amazing in its own way :/
Kyeph	Posted - 2006.06.08 07:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Rod Blaine Actually Guerdo, no you are wrong. What peopl refer to as the GNW these days means the war between PA (NVA successor) and a semi-coalition of corps and alliances. It took place roughly between early 2004 and early 2005. BoB wasn't there in name at the start, but it certainly was near the end, and before that while operating under a differetn name. Same corps, same people, just less of them. which is what i said mon frere BOB was not around it had nothing to do with them, but the people in BOB were indeed involved in the GNW and i know when it took place, i was in it.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.06.08 07:53:00 - [12] Ah yes, but you referred to the NVA, which was in a war before the GNW we talk about here. That one included F-E and Evol as well, while the GNW didn't include F-E as much, yet did include m0o, Atuk, RKK, and BNC alongside Evol, which amounts to: BoB. Actually we used the name BoB in the GNW already, albeit towards the end. At first we had no name as a group, then we used CCCP, which got switched to BoB somewhere in the last months of the war IIRR. What Lorth says about BoB in the GNW is largely correct. Old blog
Mad Mackem	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:03:00 - [13] I learned Blob wars, hundred's sitting on gates, shell we jump in?, will they jump in?. Seem to remember the server handling it better then strangely. Regards
Kyeph	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:04:00 - [14] Ahh yes my mistake PA not NVA im damned sure F-E were involved in it aswell but indeed u guys were the fore front of the attack, KIA RKK Evol m0o F-E plus others were involved. anyway il back down from turning this into a debate about who was there and who did what, was a lng time ago and this has all been debated before hehe Major lessons learned though during war Guns dont bring down alliances, Wars are expensive, shooting folks is fun
Fred0	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:08:00 - [15] Edited by: Fred0 on 08/06/2006 08:12:15 What dbp said and the stuff below. Dimz flies a very big yellow ship and pops easily TWD flies a small yellow ship but is a ***** *** to pop Dukath has alot of patience To withstand everything we had thrown against us reasonably well only to have the alliance dismantled by being ordered back to empire by cochise was a true priceless moment that totally collapsed the PA and allowed bob to write history just the way they wanted it. Everything up to that point was a good and intensive war that i thoroughly enjoyed. To have it destroyed by your own people at the end sucked immensely.Lesson learned however. Anyways that last bit many might disagree with me about but it's the way I feel about it and maybe some others that left during that phase aswell.
Muthsera	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:26:00 - [16] Edited by: Muthsera on 08/06/2006 08:26:46 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/06/2006 07:42:14 I learnt too much to list here but here are some of the things I didn't know before. War is attrition. War is hell. War is fun. War is propoganda. War is destructive on those around you. War forms bonds closer than any other state of mind. War can be won. War can be lost. SirMolle overall tactics during that war were miles above anything I have seen to date. No-one has even come close to the complete dismantling of an alliance on all fronts. Those who took part on the frontlines of the GNW on all sides took away something very special that I doubt the new characters in the game will ever experience again. dbp One of these days I'll have to put and alt in there to see what the fuss is about molle. But the GNW was one of the greatest events that players have ever created in this game. It had everything. And it become a legend becus of that. I look back on GNW whit fondness and a view of changed perseption. GNW was the central event that changed me, stepping away from simple view of mining and industry to a combat oriented playing style. I saw the light. Rabble
Fedaykin Naib	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage LOL i saw your name rohann buddy and all i thought was you before (o) you after ( ) eh fuclk it ive been drinkin "Long Live the Fighters!"
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:42:00 - [18] GNW taught me a few things, - Never trust politicians - Never trust carebears - War is hell - Blacklight gangs will go where no man sober would dare to think of going - Molle is without a doubt a logistical genius,everyone comments on his cunning,his skills as a FC but frankly all that means nothing if you can't find away to keep people on the front line and in ships. - Don't focus always on the land mine you just steped on ,look around for the others you might step on in the future. - If you have a problem,solve it yourself,don't burry your head in the sand,cross your fingers and pray it will go away,that problem will come back and bite you in the ass 9 times out of 10.
Alberta	Posted - 2006.06.08 09:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Kyeph Ahh yes my mistake PA not NVA im damned sure F-E were involved in it aswell but indeed u guys were the fore front of the attack, KIA RKK Evol m0o F-E plus others were involved. anyway il back down from turning this into a debate about who was there and who did what, was a lng time ago and this has all been debated before hehe Major lessons learned though during war Guns dont bring down alliances, Wars are expensive, shooting folks is fun For the sake of accuracy and because I'm bored at work... KIA weren't there as such, particularly not as an individual entity. RONA-KIA were there as a member of the PA for a good portion of the war until the RONA group joined CA. Things I learned. - It's perfectly possible to make a living from PvP loot if you have a great deal of game time. - 5km/s cruisers are fantastic fun. - If you want a powerful alliance/corp players who aren't commited to the team have no place in it. Unfortunately the first two of these pretty much worthless to me these days. My Thoughts on Game Balance
Gravis	Posted - 2006.06.08 09:43:00 - [20] GNW taught me that Swedes can bee really blonde. -----------------------------------------------
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.06.08 09:57:00 - [21] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 08/06/2006 09:58:36 I was involved in it. Not sure who i was in at the time. Either Paladins of the redskull or Biomass cartel. Man it was so long ago. I remember humping what felt like 500 jumps , this was before people had insta bookmarks just to die. Was great fun really.
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.06.08 09:59:00 - [22] GNW taught me how to blow up Rohann
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:02:00 - [23] Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 08/06/2006 10:03:29 hey lil' buddy and cuz of Rohann I learned that the "Mute player"function on TS can be your best friend.
SweatySack	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:19:00 - [24] I learned that council meetings were bad. I learned how to lead fleets. I learned that numbers is not everything, but fear is. Being everywhere is the key to winning a war. Your home is secondary. Invading the enemy is most important. If you are invaded, and on an offensive. Ignore the invasion. Mining veld/scord/jaspet in 0.0 so you can have mins to build ammo for the next day = best war ever.
SweatySack	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:22:00 - [25] Originally by: DB Preacher Those who took part on the frontlines of the GNW on all sides took away something very special that I doubt the new characters in the game will ever experience again. dbp Dead on DBP. There will never be a war like the GNW. Every side was on the brink. It came down to a mental game. Who could hold out. The GNW was before the POS. When people could actually be so broke that they could not buy and equip a cruiser, but would jump in a vigil and fight. The good ol days.
Franky B	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:26:00 - [26] Edited by: Franky B on 08/06/2006 10:25:45 I pose you all a question: If the EXACT same events of the GNW (including fleet numbers etc) were to occur today would they be as memorable as the original GNW? may it be that because it was such a crisp and fresh experience for so many people, that those people have taken home a chunk of the GNW in their pockets as memorabilia? remember watching TV shows as a kid, or seeing your family car and then 20 years later you look at those same 2 things and think "hmm, it wasnt as big as I thought".
SweatySack	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Franky B Edited by: Franky B on 08/06/2006 10:25:45 I pose you all a question: If the EXACT same events of the GNW (including fleet numbers etc) were to occur today would they be as memorable as the original GNW? may it be that because it was such a crisp and fresh experience for so many people, that those people have taken home a chunk of the GNW in their pockets as memorabilia? remember watching TV shows as a kid, or seeing your family car and then 20 years later you look at those same 2 things and think "hmm, it wasnt as big as I thought". Since the GNW, there have been larger wars. The GNW had every 0.0 EvE player involved or worried about who would come out on top. That kind of warfare is history. Wars now seem much faster. You invade and pop some towers, take over a station and get your enemy to surrender. Or they give a big FU and fight on. Now, if there is any kind of dedicated resistance, most corps/alliances will back off. During the GNW. Every force put up resistance until the last month or so. Also, since the GNW. There has not been a large scale 7 month war.
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:36:00 - [28] Edited by: Plutoinum on 08/06/2006 10:41:54 I wasn't there, but it reminds me of another game, where the greatest and best wars happened also rather early. Guess it's because in the early stage of the game, people are rather 'innocent', less experienced and just enjoy fighting and trying it all out. Over time pvp develops more into a direction that can be called pro-gaming, with more 'effective' gameplay e.g. more advanced tactics to win, all sides know how to minimize losses etc. and warfare becomes less exciting than in the early stages of a game. People have lost their 'innocence'. But that's just a theory of course.
SweatySack	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:41:00 - [29] O man, this brings back some good times. Linkage
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:56:00 - [30] oh ffs Sweaty now I feel old. Why don't you just pull up some of the more notorious threads from the era? P.S. Grab Dest and get both of ur gimp ass'in my alliance,I miss drinkin with you and Notfer.
Kyeph	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:07:00 - [31] I think that there is a great potential to have a war similar to that of the GNW. But recently there has been imho a Mahoosive lack of real politics. back when all this started you had Jade Constantine laying down the "i art more holier than thou" speaches in his usual well written format, we then had various other corps with their PR spokesmen (Jhered Stearn worship your emporer posts) who would constantly for months sling crap at each other with accusations counter accusations, spies infiltrating channels, forums, plenty of back stabbing and false fronts. then finally with abit of false fed information and big assed wooden spoon, everything kicked off and GNW was the event to be in. Think what may help would be more Super Powers, like CA FA SA VA/NVA/TPA etc used to be, when they held multi regions and many a corp flying under the tag, massive industrial engines with fleets of ships to spare, big juicey targets for the nomadic pirate corps to target. Looking at the alliance map now, its all splintered and broken down, everyones looking after their own. perhaps if all these mini alliances join under a tag and threaten to be a monstrosity then political upheavel and power mongering can begin again. who knows. Lord Guerdo
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Dao 2 on 08/06/2006 11:18:00 i learned that crokite is good ;p just about started the game at that point and was solo mining in ec-p8r :D ;p edit: i think thats about right, or i wasnt yet ingame by then. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
fisty	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:36:00 - [33] AH GNW and times before....those were the times.. GNW brilliant and sucked...so much emotions in that war atleast on my part...euphoria and than morale sinking beyond low...so many thinks so many thinks learnt the prime thing was P O L I T I C S S U C K S was great experience positive and negative even though we lost "PA" was still great...as its GNW what else could it be? :D Ciao
WETRAIN	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:37:00 - [34] well one thing the GNW tought me is that ... show your enemy you are Better then the team you are in and they`l join you .. i can name a few ppl that joined BoB from PA after GNW . And i remember trembling in my 1st scorp in 6nj fighting Rod B. in his megatron ... thats before they knerfed the jammers ... 1st encounter .. he had wcs ... i jammed he ran .. 2nd encounter on y-4cfk gate .. he had backups i had more wcs :))) i still can remember that ... the fear of loosing the 1st bs IS BIG, well i had a different nick and main char back then maybe you can remember Rod .. i was unforg1ven :P a romanian renegade - Dont Get Attached to anything you cant get rid off in less then 30 seconds when you sense the heat coming around the corner -
Death Merchant	Posted - 2006.06.08 12:32:00 - [35] The GNW was like being in the military. While your in it, you cant wait to get out. The longer your out, the more you dwell on the fun times than the bad. Good = Fights everywhere. From Branch to Fade to Germinate, skirmishes, fleet battles, gank squads. Learning(sometimes from getting your arsed kicked) new fleet and skirmish techniques. Being in the trenches with your friends. A real sense of loss that you dont experience today. It used to hurt losing a BS. No alliances so that individual corps could be focused on in empire via war decs. Bad= COD/NSA politics. (how to be manipulated 101) Council meetings. (4 hours of not making any meaninful decisions) No log off timers, no probes, and logging on/off dual MWD ravens.(I still hate LLebring ) Backstabbing and backdoor deal making of epic proportions from people you thought were friends. Youll never get the same level of participation again. Sure today there are wars with bigger numbers but as far as percentage wise almost 80% of active player bases were in 0.0., another 10% were empire mining for the war effort. Signature removed - File size too large.Laurelin
Auntie Bob	Posted - 2006.06.08 12:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are.
Rohann	Posted - 2006.06.08 12:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. Bitter much?
Auntie Bob	Posted - 2006.06.08 12:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Rohann Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. Bitter much? Why should I be bitter? Your the one that always smacks local as soon as you enter, you seem to have the issue not me
Rohann	Posted - 2006.06.08 13:00:00 - [39] Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 13:04:31 Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. Bitter much? Why should I be bitter? Your the one that always smacks local as soon as you enter, you seem to have the issue not me Bitter and a coward WOW NOT A COMBO IVE EVER SEEN ON THIS FORUM BEFORE. And how does me smacking local have anything to do with GNW? Post with your main.
Auntie Bob	Posted - 2006.06.08 13:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Rohann Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. Bitter much? Why should I be bitter? Your the one that always smacks local as soon as you enter, you seem to have the issue not me Bitter and a coward WOW NOT A COMBO IVE EVER SEEN ON THIS FORUM BEFORE. Im answering your thread, Why should I be bitter?? And coward - if it makes you happy
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.06.08 13:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Well, having been in both for a good while, I have to disagree. While the CA v SA conflict was a ****load of fun, and good for fleetifghts as regular as clockwork during it's busier period, it always was war for 'play'. The only real pressure put on and held on was done in southern stain space by C4 in the middle stages of the whole thing. But the rest of it was relatively innocent, if you look past the hundreds of dead ships on both sides. Always during the whole thing both sides would be able to mine and npc next to unhindered by eachother. The GNW on the other hand was a war for keeps. Gloves off and full pressure on constantly. For me that made it alot more enjoyable, but I guess one could see that differently. As for the rest fo your post, there's no need for me to reply to that. Old blog
Lamb Chop	Posted - 2006.06.08 13:51:00 - [42] It tought me, Scorpions die first and fast. Mind you, we still had the shield bonus at that time... In general it tought me how to fight. And I agree DB and sweaty, there has never been anything like this in eve ever since.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.06.08 14:03:00 - [43] It taught me that friends can soon become enemies, but sometimes being enemies doesn't make them any less of a friend. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Znaei	Posted - 2006.06.08 14:19:00 - [44] The first thing that came to mind was "God I hate dura-mallers". Inappropriate sig content - and where did you find my pic? - Cathath ([email protected])
Kyeph	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. looks like someone got podded by Evol and is hurting. there there little alt troll all will be ok, heres a cookie, there you go....now all you need to do is reach behind your PC and pull that cable out thats attached to your keyboard......there we are all better now
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:08:00 - [46] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/06/2006 15:13:36 Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. Go away aneu, this isn't a thread for children. Only participants of the GNW and they are all men. Would love to hear more from other peeps in the GNW. (edit: i've just been informed there were infact some women there too.... sorry kryztal :P) dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Death Merchant	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Znaei The first thing that came to mind was "God I hate dura-mallers". QFT Signature removed - File size too large.Laurelin
Kyeph	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:15:00 - [48] I agree with what Rod says about the feel of the war. it was an all out seething battle ground where the pure driving force behind it was to totally and compeletly annhiliate the opposing force, no merci will be shown. awesome Lord Guerdo
Auntie Bob	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:25:00 - [49] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/06/2006 15:13:36 Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. Go away aneu, this isn't a thread for children. Only participants of the GNW and they are all men. Would love to hear more from other peeps in the GNW. (edit: i've just been informed there were infact some women there too.... sorry kryztal :P) dbp lol post with your main you mission running numpty
Auntie Bob	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Kyeph Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. looks like someone got podded by Evol and is hurting. there there little alt troll all will be ok, heres a cookie, there you go....now all you need to do is reach behind your PC and pull that cable out thats attached to your keyboard......there we are all better now Post with your main
Turkantho	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:41:00 - [51] Edited by: Turkantho on 08/06/2006 15:41:26 GNW taught me how to be blown up in a Vigil or Incursus with style ________ Asgar[D]¦ welcomes the dawn
Kamel	Posted - 2006.06.08 15:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Death Merchant Fights everywhere. From Branch to Fade to Germinate, skirmishes, fleet battles, gank squads. Learning(sometimes from getting your arsed kicked) new fleet and skirmish techniques. Being in the trenches with your friends. A real sense of loss that you dont experience today. It used to hurt losing a BS. No alliances so that individual corps could be focused on in empire via war decs. Agreed with all that, GNW above of all i think it was one of the longest conflicts lived in eve it should be lasted aroun 8 month if im not mistaken. Also eve was a diferent game than we know it now today, many things changed and i dont think we will see again a conflict like that.
Kyeph	Posted - 2006.06.08 16:13:00 - [53] Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Kyeph Originally by: Auntie Bob Originally by: Rohann Edited by: Rohann on 08/06/2006 06:19:18 For those of you involved in GNW I would like to know how that changed/shaped you or your corp's EVE career today. Or if that experience taught you anything. GNW taught me one thing that I can remember, no matter how many rifters you lose dialup still sucks. It also taught me that ppl lie, cheat, steal and ebay. /emote wanders off to find that ts footage The only "Great War" was SA vs CA this was also the point evol losts its identity when BOB was formed. This was also the same time BoB lost all credibility due to the relentless forum whoring, spreading lies and propoganda, (which continues to this day). The GNW consisted of minor skirmishes at best, certainly nothing on the same scale as SA vs CA. Thats whats GNW taught me BoB are smacktards and not the force they think they are. looks like someone got podded by Evol and is hurting. there there little alt troll all will be ok, heres a cookie, there you go....now all you need to do is reach behind your PC and pull that cable out thats attached to your keyboard......there we are all better now Post with your main Read the thread nubby my main is perma banned so i cant my main though is Lord Guerdo a fact i have posted on the bottom on a couple of my posts thanks
Manus Ghostface	Posted - 2006.06.08 16:13:00 - [54] Missing the GNW because I was off in lala land killing dorfs and elves taught me I'm an idiot. That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus
christoforos	Posted - 2006.06.08 16:25:00 - [55] GNW tought me everything. It was tough finding yourself in a war against top pvpers, after just finishing your BS skill at lvl 1 and jumping for the first time in 0.0 space but the experience cannot be replaced. I could say it was fun and all but I think it would be an insult for the GNW itself. It wasn't fun. It was a full scale war filled with, at least in-game, hatred. The videos from both sides and especially those from Leafo and Lleebring (sp?) were excellent examples of war-time propaganga (in a good sense). It's something I miss from those times. Some videos focusing on the storyline and not just fights. It was the experience that got me stuck in EVE and what makes EVE more than "just a game". I am more relaxed nowdays, because I know that propably nothing would approach GNW so much at simulating a real war.
Kronarty	Posted - 2006.06.08 16:44:00 - [56] Edited by: Kronarty on 08/06/2006 16:47:14 For me the GNW was the biggest and last war fought over the things that truly matter, in game or out of game. During this war people TRULY fought for their beliefs/freedom/pride and not because they were "bored" (we see too much of this now). I am talking about the main players of the war, not the various bandwagoners (even if some of those were later absorbed into the maelstrom of loves and hates). I stress the importance of the reasons wars are fought because, believe it or not, fighting a war for things you believe in is 100x more intense and satisfying than fighting for the sake of it. This was also a total war, involving not only ingame fighting but out of game propaganda, character assassination, spying and everything that could be done to affect the ingame outcome. I highly doubt any other conflict in this game has had this wide scope for as long as GNW lasted. Looking back, I may have been overly passionate about some stuff during GNW, still unsure if that is good or bad :), but what I can't deny is that it was the period when the game was AND felt more alive for me. I am proud of how my corporation held together during such a hard time and I think everyone that was in PA or CCCP/BoB/NCA during GNW should be proud of having taken part in such an epic struggle. In some ways I think that makes everyone involved (no matter the side) share a bond stronger than what separated us during the conflict.
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.06.08 16:50:00 - [57] Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:52:02 Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:51:32 Originally by: Lorth The GWN was when the gank fitting was made. Gank fitting? What you mean? Carrier & Fighter Sales
McGin	Posted - 2006.06.08 16:59:00 - [58] hey fellas any 1 have some good fraps from the GNW i can watch
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.08 17:02:00 - [59] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:52:02 Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:51:32 Originally by: Lorth The GWN was when the gank fitting was made. Gank fitting? What you mean? The gankageddon setup, 7x megapulse, 2x tracking comp, mwd, 8x heat sink. That setup ruled all because at the time megapulses were quite overpowered, there was less stacking penalty on damage mods, and because of the rof bonus of the geddon. It was later adopted to other ships but not quite with the same devastating effect
Eversor	Posted - 2006.06.08 17:12:00 - [60] I learned that reading Machiavelli's The Prince and a few other books on RL Strategy can come in handy. I also learned that some people do take the game a little too seriously.
Araxmas	Posted - 2006.06.08 17:15:00 - [61] Originally by: McGin hey fellas any 1 have some good fraps from the GNW i can watch http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=171937 probably some if not most of the MaxSuicide ones among all of those
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.06.08 17:25:00 - [62] I learnt that i wasnt in the GNW, and that im glad i wasnt in it. Otherwise i would have failed my GCSE's. Signtaure removed. - Petwraith
Morela	Posted - 2006.06.08 17:31:00 - [63] The greatest single lesson that I learned from the GNW was. Smack.. Is waste of time, effort, and at the end, totally useless.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.06.08 17:58:00 - [64] This here thread is getting a kinda highschool reunion thing going I tell ya Someone call Notferr, Halseth and Presidio so we can get teh party started ! Old blog
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.06.08 18:13:00 - [65] WOHOO GNW was the best !!! I <3 you guys !!!!! Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Odet	Posted - 2006.06.08 18:41:00 - [66] Edited by: Odet on 08/06/2006 18:41:53 I was apart of the GNW for better or for worse. I've lead fleets and fought solo fights. I've witnessed the backstabbing within an alliance and the greed. And most of all the self righteous ego's that come from an alliance. What did the GNW teach me? the truth. Taught me that alliance warfare is total bs. It taught me to hate alliances and never be apart of one again. Unlike in small group pvp theres very little skill involved in alliance warfare. Just a few competent ppl with average skill pilots taking orders. It taught me that numbers are alwayz better then quality. In alliance warfare there is no honor or individual pilot skill. More of an alliance war is fought through mass apeal then actual combat. It taught me that no matter how strong yout think your bonds are amongst your alliance those bonds will break. Alliances are the dead end of a skilled pilots career. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
magickangaroo	Posted - 2006.06.08 21:00:00 - [67] Originally by: SweatySack I learned that council meetings were bad. I learned how to lead fleets. I learned that numbers is not everything, but fear is. Being everywhere is the key to winning a war. Your home is secondary. Invading the enemy is most important. If you are invaded, and on an offensive. Ignore the invasion. Mining veld/scord/jaspet in 0.0 so you can have mins to build ammo for the next day = best war ever. i learnt if ur gonna have a 1 on 1 with sweaty u gotta fit a disruptor or something. first bs 1on1 was with sweaty for me and i dampaned him so much in my scorp that he couldnt lock me even after 2 mins.... god that was a ghey setup.... but fair doos u stuck around for ages to see if u could. (GAL11) Brigadier General yay
shadyfox99	Posted - 2006.06.08 21:07:00 - [68] I learned that Alliance politics is BS. Right before the war was over (soon after PA and COD or NSA i guess and a few other allies quit fighting) i went pirate. Even though i haven't been in snigg all of the time since then, it was the best decision i've ever made. (eve-wise that is.) Originally by: HostageTaker Use your brain and use your main! OMFG I just rhymed!
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.08 21:08:00 - [69] We need to have another one of these things,ever since then this game just seems getting progressively more blah
LLeBRing	Posted - 2006.06.08 22:39:00 - [70] my turn!!! Ok... what did I learn.... Persistence in any event, wins all. The 'here' and 'now' mean nothing. Ideals are worth fighting for (roleplay wise). Smacktalk can make you look like an idiot (best not to do it) Movies are good, non-biased movies are better, learning how to make movies is fantastic At the end of the day, there is a human behind that keyboard, you can dislike the enemy, but don't dislike the person. Identify weaknesses in an entity early on, try to correct as soon as possible. If all attempts fail, leave and disassociate yourselves with the said entity (alliances, corps, whatever). Respect different play styles in EVE. Not everyone roleplays, not everyone fights for ideals, not everyone fights just to fight, but we all do it 'something' and for some reason. Respect it. Make friends with your enemies, the long-term benefits are astounding. Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Alberta	Posted - 2006.06.08 22:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:52:02 Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:51:32 Originally by: Lorth The GWN was when the gank fitting was made. Gank fitting? What you mean? The gankageddon setup, 7x megapulse, 2x tracking comp, mwd, 8x heat sink. That setup ruled all because at the time megapulses were quite overpowered, there was less stacking penalty on damage mods, and because of the rof bonus of the geddon. It was later adopted to other ships but not quite with the same devastating effect This thread is teaching me that many people have poor memories. There's no way that setup would fit. A typical ganka setup was more like 7 x megapulse, 2 x sensor booster, 1 x tracking comp or disruptor and 8 HS. My Thoughts on Game Balance
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2006.06.08 22:51:00 - [72] Everyones put it so well! The GNW really taught me how to fight. Everything before that was embarrasingly amateur. It taught me the pleasures of roaming around in a frigate (later an interceptor). It taught me that nothing beats the thrill of a close battle followed by a chat with your enemy. There were times during the GNW that I really wished I wasn't part of it, but I sure am glad to have been there. The Red Mom of WarÖ
Halo Jones	Posted - 2006.06.08 23:02:00 - [73] Edited by: Halo Jones on 08/06/2006 23:04:51 Originally by: DB Preacher Those who took part on the frontlines of the GNW on all sides took away something very special that I doubt the new characters in the game will ever experience again. dbp I believe this also. The GNW was a singular event within Eve's history. It taught me many things. One could get more accurate information by asking your opponent what they killed, rather than ask your own team what they lost. That late night chats on irc with molle are interesting and informative. That some people felt so much for that conflict that rather than desert their friends by leaving the arena or their corp, they quit the game entirely. Some people have resolve, they have drive and will persist. That my opponents in the war, fought on all fronts, in exceptionally precise methods, using all resources available. I have an awful lot of respect for the effort invested, and for those who I fought against. That respect persists today. Retrospectively one learns even more when events are reexamined in your mind, new information is presented and sucessive wars prove less... gritty. Oberon Carrier and Dreadnought Sales!
MIGHTYDWC	Posted - 2006.06.09 00:18:00 - [74] I learned that staring at 25 bubbles on a gate for more than 2 hours causes involuntary hittng of the head on the monitor, and the occasional lighting of the wrong end of your cigarette. Favorite saying on TS: This "phoon of Doom" is very easy to kill things with. They die very fast. <---JaegerX
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.06.09 00:42:00 - [75] GNW was awesome, there was never such serious war going on, neither side would budge =)
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.09 00:46:00 - [76] OH and propaganda can either kill or save and alliance. In the case of PA,Leafo and LLeBRing,were more effective in keeping their alliance going and morale up then any PA fleet ever was.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2006.06.09 01:56:00 - [77] Originally by: Lucian Alucard P.S. Leafo I still want a boxed DvD set of all of your vids,yes its two years later I haven't forgotten and I still am waiting. so am I buddy, so am I Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Snort Bilger	Posted - 2006.06.09 02:08:00 - [78] GNW was by far the best pvp experience i had in eve so far. It was a blast from the beninging to the end.
Gitt	Posted - 2006.06.09 02:31:00 - [79] The first BKG wars were fun! I made a lot of friends on all sides, and who are still friends after almost 3 years :) Gitt New Sig comming soon Sig must be less than 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected])
The End	Posted - 2006.06.09 04:36:00 - [80] The GNW told me how easy people can be maniuplated into starting wars but shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The Cursed	Posted - 2006.06.09 05:08:00 - [81] I lost a crap load of Ruptures. Learned how to gank peeps with the best of old school GODS. Was fun and made tons of bob friends HEHE. GODS Is Dead!! Beer em Good!!!!!!!
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.09 05:22:00 - [82] Originally by: LLeBRing Originally by: Lucian Alucard P.S. Leafo I still want a boxed DvD set of all of your vids,yes its two years later I haven't forgotten and I still am waiting. so am I buddy, so am I Oh sweet jesus not you again! runs to safe spot and hides undercloak
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.09 08:44:00 - [83] Edited by: Alessia Karan on 09/06/2006 08:44:15 Originally by: Alberta Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar ... The gankageddon setup, 7x megapulse, 2x tracking comp, mwd, 8x heat sink. That setup ruled all because at the time megapulses were quite overpowered, there was less stacking penalty on damage mods, and because of the rof bonus of the geddon. It was later adopted to other ships but not quite with the same devastating effect This thread is teaching me that many people have poor memories. There's no way that setup would fit. A typical ganka setup was more like 7 x megapulse, 2 x sensor booster, 1 x tracking comp or disruptor and 8 HS. Oh well, I was close enough I never acctually flew an armageddon during that period, and it's the full rack of guns and damage mods that counts anyway
Fred0	Posted - 2006.06.09 08:51:00 - [84] Edited by: Fred0 on 09/06/2006 08:53:11 Originally by: Alessia Karan Oh well, I was close enough I never acctually flew an armageddon during that period, and it's the full rack of guns and damage mods that counts anyway That char was created way after the GNW and got very little credibility when it comes to the GNW :) EDIT: Reworded for less offensive language :)
Ramireza	Posted - 2006.06.09 10:40:00 - [85] Originally by: Alessia Karan To me the GNW mostly showed that people won't get the message that they've lost unless it hits them with a sledge hammer. The fact that PA at the end still claimed victory, when they had lost all of the major corps and 95% of their member base, showed me how delusional people really can be. QFT
DARKLING	Posted - 2006.06.09 11:16:00 - [86] What I learnt, PVP is fun Nothing beats the adrenaline rush of large battles Politics / politicians suck {never believe those you havn't fought many times alongside} When everyone wants to they can make a difference and hav fun even if they end up fighting in T1 frigs after losing most of there BS :) You can't put an ISK price on a good FC Nobody fights harder than those that feel they have something to protect. IMO a lot of changes have made the kind of figthing found in GNW a thing of the past, too much emphasis now on the latest UBER T2 blahh blahh blahh. Makes it harder for those with less game time to be as fully immersed in the game, and also too much carebear time between figthing to actually compete now. Had a lot of fun during GNW taking PA stations alone as a maverik in branch using a scorpion , no way without dreads or large BS fleet this is possible now. Also anyone remember BB with infinite EW range and cruise missiles? :)) God am getting older.......... You see things; and you say 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' George Bernard Shaw
Grimster	Posted - 2006.06.09 12:29:00 - [87] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Everyones put it so well! The GNW really taught me how to fight. Everything before that was embarrasingly amateur. It taught me the pleasures of roaming around in a frigate (later an interceptor). It taught me that nothing beats the thrill of a close battle followed by a chat with your enemy. There were times during the GNW that I really wished I wasn't part of it, but I sure am glad to have been there. Oh Shin you play yourself down so well, we both know you were ganking stuff well before GNW For my part I learned that a Bellicose is a useful distraction for camping battleships, whilst drunk, screaming CHARRGGGEE!! into TS much to the amusement of the other chaps. I learned 9-2 is way too wide. Tactical deceit can work wonders (mining PVP fleet anyone) DBP usually has a plan when you're asked to "take one for the team" Molle really is as good as his rep. Blacklight loves a tipple. And last but not least - not all PA were Ebil! (Just CDI) We blog at The Jammy Blog
Mortuus	Posted - 2006.06.09 13:11:00 - [88] GNW was the most fun I've had in game. Every fight since then has been mostly and attempt to recapture the feeling. It also taught me that Rod Blaine is a bad bad man with a 15km Web. I'm not really sure if any place will feel as much like "home" as the northern regions for our corp. Anyway, I'm proud that we stood till the end, even if it did get down to throwing tech 1 cruisers and frigs into the fight. I remember the day BoB withdrew from the area...most of us were more saddened by their leaving than excited that we didn't have to fight anymore. Good bunch of guys. It was also, the first time I got my hands on the bestest ship ever! The Claw. I love that thing. Occassus Republica, PoE
Karmae	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:20:00 - [89] GNW taught me not to live in BKG with only a scorpion to pilot. It would take hours to carefully get up to BKG in one piece, hang around for hours/days waiting for a fleet battle only to be popped within 5 seconds of dropping out of warp since the Evol guys apparently really really hated our Long-Range Damper scorps :( Then it was rinse and repeat, buy another scorp in empire, carefully proceed north. Die again within 5 seconds. Infuriating :) Funny thing was that Koval of TWB was another long term scorp pilot that lived up in BKG and never ever seemed to die. Unfair! ==================== There is 10 types of people in this world... Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Miramax	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:20:00 - [90] Edited by: Miramax on 09/06/2006 15:24:57 well,i remember UNICOR doing well,but coudlnt take the pressure from TPS(?) at the same time,and later bbecoming NSA but thats another story what i learnt from it? hmmz armormor tanking blackbird with 2 webs owns inty's back in teh days :P politics are hmmzz people are sneaky
Porter Hadlend	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:25:00 - [91] GNW taught me that when the fighting ends, people who were your allies won't be. At the time I was FA, and RKK, BNC, EVO were all friendly or at least not hostile. BNC had been NORAD which we were allied with, EVO had been FA and we'd allowed them to come back into space more than once and mine, and RKK were staunch anti pirates that flew with Celest a bunch. After the GNW, after Venal was good and truely dead, I guess someone else had to bite it next. Pity our death came at the hands of those we'd been friendly with. -------------- Porter Hadlend Pround Member of The Shattered Star Confederation Gaming better since 1997.
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:31:00 - [92] i learned how to fight too, really... Before that 'era' i was pretty inexperienced. I also lost my first ever Crow during the GNW iirc, when i tried to kill 2 frigs and 2 inties with it... 2 Crow losses later i swore i'd never fly one again. Didn't last long. :) As for UNICOR, i was there, and to be honest, that alliance died from the inside out. Website / Forums / Recruiting
Fuuk mi	Posted - 2006.06.09 16:33:00 - [93] Originally by: DB Preacher SirMolle overall tactics during that war were miles above anything I have seen to date. No-one has even come close to the complete dismantling of an alliance on all fronts. lol.
Galavet	Posted - 2006.06.09 19:46:00 - [94] Originally by: Mortuus I remember the day BoB withdrew from the area...most of us were more saddened by their leaving than excited that we didn't have to fight anymore. Good bunch of guys. In "most of us" are you talking about the two perma docked PA in HPA or the two sitting at the out of system safe spot in BKG? Ah, that felt just like the old days. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.06.09 19:55:00 - [95] Originally by: Galavet Originally by: Mortuus I remember the day BoB withdrew from the area...most of us were more saddened by their leaving than excited that we didn't have to fight anymore. Good bunch of guys. In "most of us" are you talking about the two perma docked PA in HPA or the two sitting at the out of system safe spot in BKG? Ah, that felt just like the old days. Lol I returned to the game after my big move like a week before you guys left, and I'll have you know I was permadocked in 6nj. Good thing is, as intense as the whole thing was, everyone seems to have made up. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
xenodia	Posted - 2006.06.09 19:59:00 - [96] Isnt there still a link to some of LLebrings videos from the GNW on the forums somewhere ? RONA were the "bad guys" back then, but man he did some nice video work. And no, before someone checks this characters age and makes a ***** about how I was too young to be there... this is not the character I played when I spent most of my time in the north. God I wish I hadnt gotten rid of my main when I quit playing a year ago... makes it a lot tougher when you come back.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2006.06.09 20:54:00 - [97] Originally by: xenodia Isnt there still a link to some of LLebrings videos from the GNW on the forums somewhere ? RONA were the "bad guys" back then, but man he did some nice video work. And no, before someone checks this characters age and makes a ***** about how I was too young to be there... this is not the character I played when I spent most of my time in the north. God I wish I hadnt gotten rid of my main when I quit playing a year ago... makes it a lot tougher when you come back. The GNW hosted by EVE-O is at http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=127 Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.09 21:54:00 - [98] Oh it also taught me that Ewar is an aggressive form of tanking and that Scorps are bad, 17 lost in like a 3 week period,that has to be a record.
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.06.09 22:59:00 - [99] Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:52:02 Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 08/06/2006 16:51:32 Originally by: Lorth The GWN was when the gank fitting was made. Gank fitting? What you mean? The gankageddon setup, 7x megapulse, 2x tracking comp, mwd, 8x heat sink. That setup ruled all because at the time megapulses were quite overpowered, there was less stacking penalty on damage mods, and because of the rof bonus of the geddon. It was later adopted to other ships but not quite with the same devastating effect I think tempest pilots might have something to say about that heh :P But yea your right the gankageddon was devestating. Carrier & Fighter Sales
Lanu	Posted - 2006.06.09 23:17:00 - [100] For me the GNW ( or around that period ) was my best time in eve for now. I remember all those eve-movies loaded with propaganda and smack. And ofcourse the fights that I had, so much has changed since then get emotional. Back then I had 1 battleship and some cruisers and maybe 50m in my wallet.. and I pvp'ed everyday. Now its just the opposite of that. I'm loaded with assets and ISK ( and skills for that matter back then maybe 10m SP and now almost four times that ) but I dont really pvp anymore. I was gonna write more but I cant atm maybe later I'm not obsessing. I'm just curious.
Mortuus	Posted - 2006.06.09 23:19:00 - [101] Originally by: Galavet Originally by: Mortuus I remember the day BoB withdrew from the area...most of us were more saddened by their leaving than excited that we didn't have to fight anymore. Good bunch of guys. In "most of us" are you talking about the two perma docked PA in HPA or the two sitting at the out of system safe spot in BKG? Ah, that felt just like the old days. No Gal, I meant the entire corp that was living in y-4cfk, ratting or mining high ends in 3A1 when you weren't around, running frigate raids into BKG when you'd camp the station. Occassus Republica, PoE
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.09 23:23:00 - [102] Theres kinda a funny story about that,the m0o guys had been playing around with a few different set ups on Chaos and I believe it was Stav and Sassinak who came up with the most popular one of them all the affore mentioned set up. Well me,Alex belani,Propehcy,Notfer and Sassinak were on Venture Ts late one night talking and Sass was raving about the kewlness of the geddon this lead to Proph sayin he was full of it,so we all hop on Chaos ((Singularity as it was called back in the day)) and Proph goes at it with Sass about 8 times trying different kits for Blasterthrons,Ravens and so forth,eventually the drunkard passes out. We all laughed at him due to his screaming for help figurin out a kit. He just couldn't comprehend that ships power.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.06.10 03:31:00 - [103] Originally by: Mortuus No Gal, I meant the entire corp that was living in y-4cfk, ratting True. Originally by: Mortuus running frigate raids into BKG when you'd camp the station. False. Couldn't resist
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.10 04:41:00 - [104] Anyone else remember that m0o Bombathron that sat at a warp in point in BKG that took out like a 15 man frig fleet when they warped in on him from the gate?
Li ShangYin	Posted - 2006.06.10 08:12:00 - [105] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Anyone else remember that m0o Bombathron that sat at a warp in point in BKG that took out like a 15 man frig fleet when they warped in on him from the gate? wasn't that dukath? ___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree. -- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D.
SageOfMystery	Posted - 2006.06.10 08:16:00 - [106] the GNW made me play eve, I was pritty much a nub when i went up there and i learned the game. it was the best time IMO.
Petite Pierre	Posted - 2006.06.10 08:33:00 - [107] Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. GNW polished my skills, I had just given up piracy and joined CEI, losing countless Rifters, going deep behind enemy lines, harrasing those that felt safe against a "weak" PA, that's what the NVA propaganda said. Wish people would remember CE and Blades, and how detrimental they were to the NVA, by owning FU and CoD on a daily basis, until they crumbled. GNW plastered the frigate flying idea on me. It made me a better pilot, and a richer person, by bonding me with an amazing array of people, friends and foes alike. --------------------
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.10 09:02:00 - [108] Originally by: Li ShangYin Originally by: Lucian Alucard Anyone else remember that m0o Bombathron that sat at a warp in point in BKG that took out like a 15 man frig fleet when they warped in on him from the gate? wasn't that dukath? I'm pretty sure that was Dukath yeah, during one of the infamous BKG mining ops
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2006.06.10 09:04:00 - [109] Originally by: LLeBRing my turn!!! Ok... what did I learn.... Persistence in any event, wins all. The 'here' and 'now' mean nothing. Ideals are worth fighting for (roleplay wise). Smacktalk can make you look like an idiot (best not to do it) Movies are good, non-biased movies are better, learning how to make movies is fantastic At the end of the day, there is a human behind that keyboard, you can dislike the enemy, but don't dislike the person. Identify weaknesses in an entity early on, try to correct as soon as possible. If all attempts fail, leave and disassociate yourselves with the said entity (alliances, corps, whatever). Respect different play styles in EVE. Not everyone roleplays, not everyone fights for ideals, not everyone fights just to fight, but we all do it 'something' and for some reason. Respect it. Make friends with your enemies, the long-term benefits are astounding. Amen <3
Lungorthin	Posted - 2006.06.10 09:25:00 - [110] War? What GNW war? I only remember that BKG was the best and safest ever carebearing region I had ever been before. For the first time ingame I became rich mining crokite. I could finally start to afford to 100% insure Battleships. g
Cormark	Posted - 2006.06.10 10:15:00 - [111] GNW taught me that loseing 1 ship to a stupid mistake while sober sucks ! But loseing 5 ships in one night while so drunk that you can hardly talk is GREAT fun
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.10 10:21:00 - [112] Ah Notfer logic how I miss it yet my wallet doesn't
Kalissa	Posted - 2006.06.10 12:44:00 - [113] I remember too that people fought on both sides until it had broken them (financially). I also remember being on the Fade Union teamspeak the night before the peace was declared, and even though people were pretty much wrecked as far as resources go there was a determination that the terms for ending the war had to be right for us, if they weren't then to hell with it we'd carry on fighting in Rifters if need be. I don't think that kinda determination exists in Eve anymore and Eve is worse off for it. There will never be another war like the GNW!
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.06.10 13:11:00 - [114] I was in a different corp through the GNW, but allied with the BoB crew. And to by the sounds of things i'm going to say what a lot of people from both sides have said, it where i cut my teeth, both on small scale roams and full-scale fleet battles. I was part of the SA/CA big war that proceeded the GNW down south, and although bitterly fought, it just didn't have a patch on the GNW in terms of pretty much everything! My corp at the time tended to run around Pure Blind and Fade and sometimes up into Deklein, and although i was working on a shoe string budget compared to now it was absolutley non-stop and great fun! I never really went up to Branch or BKG that much but i remember the fall of C4C- just before the then [G] guys got stuck in (although i guess you could argue that CE was a part before [G] days, and were intrinsically part of the rumble). I learnt tricks i never even considered, or thought possible in a game, and really opened my eyes to why EVE is so much deeper than a lot of other MMO's out there in terms of hard loss, and complete victory. It really felt bitter too loose, and the high was second to none when you won. Although people have said there was a GNW II, i think anyone that was part of that crazey 9 months up North will disagree. There really has only been one GNW and it was the most intense gamig experience i've ever had. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Birkir	Posted - 2006.06.10 13:34:00 - [115] It tought me that rifters with cruise missiles could pwn crows... and when they nerfed the cruise missiles... the taranis pwned the crows.. T'was fun shooting down another and another PA ceptor, getting praise on the COD forums... I was a god to you.. and now where am I?
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2006.06.10 14:39:00 - [116] It taught me that armed with 3 accounts, picking your time of day and having patience, you could create a diversion tying 10x your number of RL people. Someone from F-E will remembers the 12 times they lost the conquerable stations to 3 thoraxes?
Doamna Mata	Posted - 2006.06.10 15:37:00 - [117] Well the GNW ment alot to alot of people, made alot of people ENJOY the game as it should be to this day, no POS and no other s&&t , it tought me that damnping Dukath`s Megatron is useless when he has alot of Named Smarbombs and a MWD, at one time ... we wouldnt hunt him anymore aroun Y-4cfk because he just wanted to do his missions. Tought me that people are persistent, and that RONA make amazing movies, and make the game beautiful. Tought me that BoB is BoB, i remember fights in Bkg warping out in like 20% hull to a planet , near Galavet in his armageddon also in 20% structure... and not having cap to fight him :( armas wtfpwnd back then. Fun times ... also made alot of friends that i know and talk to till this very day, oh and not to say that thankx to RONA movies i recruited alot of neighbours back then ... they where like "I GOT TO PLAY THIS GAME" Grats to those involved back then, We made history.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.06.10 16:05:00 - [118] It was the last war in Eve that meant something and thats the end of the story really. Everything since has been part ego polishing and part ennui-bound random thrashing to stave off boredom. GNW killed meaningful politics - nothing else could ever be more than a petty game in comparison, and even now I'm not convinced the game has produced wars that mean even a fraction as much as the northern conflict did in the year and a half since. I learned the lengths to which people would go to win a conflict and learned the limits of human persistence. I learned how much people can be deluded by a nationalist cause and just how blind the best of people can be to the sins of their leaders. It was a singularly amazing groundbreaking event in the history of Eve and mmorgs in general think. It was the best of Eve and its sad sometimes to think that the best has already gone. _________________
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.10 17:12:00 - [119] It's funny though, during the GNW everybody was whining that there weren't any game mechanics to win a conflict and to beat an corporation or alliance. Now when the mechanics are in place with pos, sovreignty and outposts people whine that there arn't any epic confilcts anymore because wars are decided too fast...
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.06.10 17:45:00 - [120] Originally by: Alessia Karan It's funny though, during the GNW everybody was whining that there weren't any game mechanics to win a conflict and to beat an corporation or alliance. Now when the mechanics are in place with pos, sovreignty and outposts people whine that there arn't any epic confilcts anymore because wars are decided too fast... I don't really think that wars are decided too fast because of the pos mechanics. When an alliances dies these days, it does so not because it ran out of isk or outposts, but because it ran out of will. On top of that, people nowadays don't have ideals anymore, which is rather sad. They just want to do what they want to do, but will decline fighting over the space to do it in and rather just move over elsewhere again and again. Old blog
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.06.10 18:08:00 - [121] Well, the GNW taught me... That having m0o at -10 when trying to fly with RKK, Evolution and m0o was unecessarily complicated! That between the 350 accounts we had when we left NORAD only about 100 were up to the job. That alphastrike > warp scrambers, oh how I used to love the BNC Amarr Navy, 10-12 Geddons and Apocs going hunting like you would with a bunch of HACs and Recon cruisers today That politics are 4tw, so long as you do win DuraMallers > Interceptors Scorpions are made out of tinfoil. Torrinos is really not a 0.0 system, hehe. Omniwar might know what he's doing but unless you speak a bizzare Scandinavian hybrid language interspersed with Swahili you were doomed when it came to understanding what on earth he wanted you to do. BKG rules. Talking to Sutty on TS after midnight on New Years Eve is a very silly thing to do indeed. Magickangaroo can't tackle for sh.. I had fun and I think I've just about recovered enough to do it again Eve Blacklight Style
Turkantho	Posted - 2006.06.10 18:18:00 - [122] Edited by: Turkantho on 10/06/2006 18:17:59 Originally by: Blacklight BKG rules. it does indeed, but I have to say last weekend we improved it a lot ________ Asgar[D]¦ welcomes the dawn
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.10 19:20:00 - [123] Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't really think that wars are decided too fast because of the pos mechanics. When an alliances dies these days, it does so not because it ran out of isk or outposts, but because it ran out of will. On top of that, people nowadays don't have ideals anymore, which is rather sad. They just want to do what they want to do, but will decline fighting over the space to do it in and rather just move over elsewhere again and again. I'm not sure. I think a large part of the reason why alliances fold so fast nowadays is because its quite apparent they are losing when their posses go into reinforced and are destroyed, after that they lose all motivation and just don't bother anymore and give up. An alliance like SA for example don't really give up that fast because they can't lose their npc stations. To truly get them out of the sttions and out of the region would take weeks or months of camping them, like the GNW. But invasion forces just can't be bothered with that anymore and take a region that can be properly controlled instead.
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.06.10 19:27:00 - [124] Edited by: Cohkka on 10/06/2006 19:28:04 GNW tought me that blobwars suck. Was flying in a gang consisting of mainly CE and STV. Evol, BNC and RKK formed up a blob as well and bubled up the Gate we wanted to strike at. The engagement never took place since it would have been suicide to jump on them. I wasted 4 hours of my life in that night, and I'll never get them back... edit: typo Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Superbus Maximus	Posted - 2006.06.10 19:47:00 - [125] Taught me how easly people who you thought were your friends will turn on you like cowards, and manipulate the forums in their favor.
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2006.06.10 19:49:00 - [126] I was in Jericho Fraction for most all of the war. I usually sniped people using my megathron boosted by 2 scorps above the eve sanc school in X70MU. When we had empire wars I roamed empire in my blasterax. I started in JF as their mining/resource director I ended up leaving and joining BDCI. There are various factors but overall it's because of the PVP that I joined BDCI. Been in BDCI for 20mos now and have not regretted my decision.
skilzrulz	Posted - 2006.06.10 19:54:00 - [127] GNW made me want to join Reikoku... ;)
ChingChong Stoner	Posted - 2006.06.10 20:07:00 - [128] GNW was big when I first start playing. I thouhgt WOW! this game has story and fighting! evryone respected the players in forum and space. where is jade and destible(sp?) and molle and halseth? I want to hear what they have to say here!
Morela	Posted - 2006.06.11 06:42:00 - [129] off topic real quick. WTH are you posting with your alts in this post? /SMACK!
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.06.11 08:57:00 - [130] Edited by: pershphanie on 11/06/2006 09:01:25 Originally by: Blacklight BKG rules. /signed ..remembering a few pretty sweet GODS vs BNC fights.. GNW taught me that fighting a gurilla war based on trying to "hit em in the pocket book" does not work in eve. Taught me there is no substitute for dominating space. Taught me just ignoring an enemy does not make them go away. It taught me that morale > all in a war. Tought me that perception is as important as reality in eve. Most importantly it tought me how to lose 10000000000 kestrals per night in bkg.
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2006.06.11 09:32:00 - [131] Jumping through the wrong gate because of not paying attention to TS can have terminal consequences to your health. Picture Han Solo running around that corner into the corridor full of stormtroopers The system was H-PA Unbeknownst to me, a fleet led by Galavet was waiting to jump in to H-PA via another route and didn't have a scout Funny thing fate. Saying the GNW was emotional is an understatement. http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Beringe	Posted - 2006.06.11 09:33:00 - [132] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine It was the last war in Eve that meant something and thats the end of the story really. I must say I disagree. I don't think the GNW meant any more than (say) the deconstruction of TRUST or (for example) the ongoing war in the "east". I stamp this whole thread as nostalgia. And nostalgia, I will have all of you know, is just another form of ignorance. Harsh, but true. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Lorth	Posted - 2006.06.11 09:51:00 - [133] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Jasmine Constantine It was the last war in Eve that meant something and thats the end of the story really. I must say I disagree. I don't think the GNW meant any more than (say) the deconstruction of TRUST or (for example) the ongoing war in the "east". I stamp this whole thread as nostalgia. And nostalgia, I will have all of you know, is just another form of ignorance. Harsh, but true. Err yes an no. The GNW was differant because people on each side actually believe in what they were fighting for. And actually fought for it, for a long time. Take a look at all the war's going on today, and in the last year or so. Xetic fell in a matter of hours after CLS/DDC left. Imp.... still bouncing after being thrown out. PA/NSBI died quickly once the pressure was put on them Tribal souls. The few worth mentioning in the same breath as the old PA might be FA, Red, and F-E. FA survived a while under attack from shinra, atuk, BOB, then later from the [5] and BOB. Red survived, but the methodes they use leave a real sour taste in my mouth (we'll leave it at that) F-E survived a large number of fleet battles. But they also crumbled (maybe not the right word) once Atuck moved to take thier systems. I honestly can't think of any war in eve that lasted as long, or was a fought over as the PA/everyone else war. CA/SA might be close, but that was a much differant situation.
emptydude	Posted - 2006.06.11 10:04:00 - [134] i learnt to get off my arse, stop mining and go pvp. i also learnt that whilst the tristan may be exremely sexy, its utter crap for PvP. -------- YOU'VE READ IT. YOU CAN'T UN-READ IT.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.06.11 15:10:00 - [135] Originally by: Beringe I must say I disagree. I don't think the GNW meant any more than (say) the deconstruction of TRUST or (for example) the ongoing war in the "east". I stamp this whole thread as nostalgia. And nostalgia, I will have all of you know, is just another form of ignorance. Harsh, but true. You just need to compare the reasons for fighting then and now Beringe. Back then it was politics, vendettas, feuds and big visions. Now its boredom, showing off big toys and playing capture the flag in space. There isn't much of a reason and motive now beyond fighting for the sake of it - thats what I view as being lost. Nobody has a cause or imaginative plan any more. _________________
The End	Posted - 2006.06.11 15:21:00 - [136] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Jasmine Constantine It was the last war in Eve that meant something and thats the end of the story really. I must say I disagree. I don't think the GNW meant any more than (say) the deconstruction of TRUST or (for example) the ongoing war in the "east". I stamp this whole thread as nostalgia. And nostalgia, I will have all of you know, is just another form of ignorance. Harsh, but true. Err yes an no. The GNW was differant because people on each side actually believe in what they were fighting for. And actually fought for it, for a long time. Take a look at all the war's going on today, and in the last year or so. Xetic fell in a matter of hours after CLS/DDC left. Imp.... still bouncing after being thrown out. PA/NSBI died quickly once the pressure was put on them Tribal souls. The few worth mentioning in the same breath as the old PA might be FA, Red, and F-E. FA survived a while under attack from shinra, atuk, BOB, then later from the [5] and BOB. Red survived, but the methodes they use leave a real sour taste in my mouth (we'll leave it at that) F-E survived a large number of fleet battles. But they also crumbled (maybe not the right word) once Atuck moved to take thier systems. I honestly can't think of any war in eve that lasted as long, or was a fought over as the PA/everyone else war. CA/SA might be close, but that was a much differant situation. 1st and foremost when you say F-E please make it so that it is "F-E Alliance" that you are refering too.... F-E Alliance did not crumble. (poor choice of words) it actually gave Atuk a good fight. numerous Atuk members would agree with that GNW's duration did not even come close to the CA/SA war the CA/SA war by far was the longest war in EVE and probably the most Fun in my opinion since i participated in both. Anf finally to Beringe you must be crazy to suggest a similarity between The Demise of TRUST and the GNW
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2006.06.11 15:48:00 - [137] My corp at the time of the GNW, Forsaken Empire (<3), wasnt affected too much imo. Evol/RKK/BNC came through our space occasionally to get from empire to Branch, surprisingly alot of stragglers came though in 1s and 2s and met an untimely death (rawr at Molle and his 7 stab+MWD apocs ^_^), but the majority came in blobs too large for our one corp to engage. We didnt really get involved too much as we were not exactly on good terms with either side, kinda sat back and laughed at they beat the crap out of each other and played station ping pong in Branch. We however, after PA were pretty much gone out of their claimed territories, got 2 epic battles in P3EN, one on a saturday and another the very next day. A huge number of pilots were involved, maybe 150-200. I belive BoB held the field at the end on the saturday and FoE (our ally with Foyle <3) held the field at the end of the sunday battle, (or vice versa on the days dont quote me on this). The battles raged for over an hour each day, was very good fun for both sides afaik as BoB hadnt had a decent fight in a while since PA were using small gank forces at that stage. BoB had the kill ratio on us I believe but the fleet was mainly made up of the FoE industrial corps who took up arms and not so many of the two main FoE pvp corps (FE+Corp1). It was tiring as hell on the Sunday, NumberOne (aka Brotherdeath) and myself had the task of calling targets for over an hour (note: I had stepped down from leading fleets over a year before that, so it was exhausting to say the least) while Zen Later handled the EW. Probably too much useless info but thats my main memories from the GNW, like I said we didnt get involved too much mainly when they came to our space, although I believe c4w3 took a few small fleets to Branch to play. Btw my writing and grammer skills arent exactly 100%, mainly lazyman typing for me, so dont go all grammer police on me. -Havo ------------------- DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh "Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2006.06.11 15:58:00 - [138] Also I second what End said, dont refer to the Forsaken Empire Alliance as the "F-E" as that is the corp, thx. -Havo ------------------- DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh "Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.06.11 16:40:00 - [139] Originally by: DirtyHarry We however, after PA were pretty much gone out of their claimed territories, got 2 epic battles in P3EN, one on a saturday and another the very next day. A huge number of pilots were involved, maybe 150-200. I belive BoB held the field at the end on the saturday and FoE (our ally with Foyle <3) held the field at the end of the sunday battle, (or vice versa on the days dont quote me on this). The battles raged for over an hour each day, was very good fun for both sides afaik as BoB hadnt had a decent fight in a while since PA were using small gank forces at that stage. BoB had the kill ratio on us I believe but the fleet was mainly made up of the FoE industrial corps who took up arms and not so many of the two main FoE pvp corps (FE+Corp1). It was tiring as hell on the Sunday, NumberOne (aka Brotherdeath) and myself had the task of calling targets for over an hour (note: I had stepped down from leading fleets over a year before that, so it was exhausting to say the least) while Zen Later handled the EW. Those were two awesome fights Eve Blacklight Style
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2006.06.11 16:46:00 - [140] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: DirtyHarry We however, after PA were pretty much gone out of their claimed territories, got 2 epic battles in P3EN, one on a saturday and another the very next day. A huge number of pilots were involved, maybe 150-200. I belive BoB held the field at the end on the saturday and FoE (our ally with Foyle <3) held the field at the end of the sunday battle, (or vice versa on the days dont quote me on this). The battles raged for over an hour each day, was very good fun for both sides afaik as BoB hadnt had a decent fight in a while since PA were using small gank forces at that stage. BoB had the kill ratio on us I believe but the fleet was mainly made up of the FoE industrial corps who took up arms and not so many of the two main FoE pvp corps (FE+Corp1). It was tiring as hell on the Sunday, NumberOne (aka Brotherdeath) and myself had the task of calling targets for over an hour (note: I had stepped down from leading fleets over a year before that, so it was exhausting to say the least) while Zen Later handled the EW. Those were two awesome fights yupyup ^^ -Havo ------------------- DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh "Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.11 17:09:00 - [141] You killed me like 3 times in your harpy during that fight kept having to go back to obe to get a new ship for rediculously inflated prices
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2006.06.11 17:27:00 - [142] Originally by: Alessia Karan You killed me like 3 times in your harpy during that fight kept having to go back to obe to get a new ship for rediculously inflated prices Yeah it was the first time I took a harpy into fleet combat (always had used ravens or scorps before), it was surprisingly good for point defence, was getting optimals of 30k-70k... all was fine and dandy till TWD launched 2 vollys of torps at me, was too busy calling to notice the red box around his ship >.< RIP Harpy -Havo ------------------- DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh "Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol
Blizzaro	Posted - 2006.06.11 23:02:00 - [143] Watching KIAGaRpY in an incursis get poped by rohans rifter before a KIA night out. Finding that a 400mm plate on an interceptor made them godly. That I wasted far to many good summer days/nights sat listening to sensorboosters.
Odet	Posted - 2006.06.12 18:38:00 - [144] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Anyone else remember that m0o Bombathron that sat at a warp in point in BKG that took out like a 15 man frig fleet when they warped in on him from the gate? we did it a lot in the later parts of the GNW, as fights were rare so we forced a "fight". My favorite day was when we sat bombathrons all over a system at every jumpin for every gate. never been so popular with hatemail _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.06.13 08:17:00 - [145] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 13/06/2006 08:20:56 TWD Bombapoc (I think it was TWD's) pwning my corp mates inties at like 10 or 12k. TWD's Dual MWDing Maller, Pwning Corp mates ships. Seing my first ever Assult ship. Then Seeing my first ever heavy assualt ship. BKG being a complete total waste of time. BoB having it in the day. then PA having it at night. Biggest wate of ammo taking that station ever. Lord Wimbishi's SS busting Triple MWD'ing Thorax, Though I never know if he ever found anything. RKK wardeccing our tiny corp Oblivion systems in Avada (0.7 system in aridia) , and Pwning us with Cruise missiling rifters and Torpspamming Ruptures. That taught me Not to randomly click when you lag. (Locked a gate when RKK warped in and Fired 3 torps at it from my blackbird) OMG THOSE SO BORING PHOENIX ALLIANCE TEAMSPEAK MEETINGS. Omg I never realised how much happened in that war.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.13 09:34:00 - [146] Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well.
TWD	Posted - 2006.06.13 10:18:00 - [147] Edited by: TWD on 13/06/2006 10:19:22 Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well. Just as a fyi to this and your other post... :p M0o was the first known group to make effective use of the gankageddon, I made the setup (not very special) and told the rest of m0o about it. Mega Pulse I just got boosted and tanking was the standard, more than 2-3 damage mods was considered useless. For the time it was something new. I was the first known person to make effective use of the dual 100MN AB (tech2) Maller (the dual 100MN AB idea I got from someone else). I've never flown a Tempest in PvP on TQ. Quote: TWD Bombapoc (I think it was TWD's) pwning my corp mates inties at like 10 or 12k. That was either Dukath or someone else.
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.13 10:25:00 - [148] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd RKK wardeccing our tiny corp Oblivion systems in Avada (0.7 system in aridia) , and Pwning us with Cruise missiling rifters and Torpspamming Ruptures. That taught me Not to randomly click when you lag. (Locked a gate when RKK warped in and Fired 3 torps at it from my blackbird) Missile launchers had been changed to only be able to fire the appropriate size of missiles long before that. Even before the whole GNW started I believe. So I can assure you that our rifters weren't firing cruise missiles, and our ruptures weren't firing torps, although we still owned you none the less
GREEKMAN	Posted - 2006.06.13 15:06:00 - [149] The GNW for me is the matter that after 2 years when you hanging around EVE and see an EX-enemy in the local channel, exchange a "hi m8..." you feel like you speak to a good friend from the past. It is a feeling that you can not feel even with your new members of your own corp!! à local rising à death is close to you à Official Mythos Corp Website
Frezik	Posted - 2006.06.13 16:15:00 - [150] I didn't participate in the GNW, but the RONA video made a big impression on me in showing that Eve has exactly the sort of massive player fighting that all MMOs should have. BTW--That video looks like there was supposed to be a second part, but I was never able to find it. Does anybody know where it is? Or was it never finished? ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth
King Leonidas	Posted - 2006.06.13 16:18:00 - [151] It never got made. LL never got enough material for it. King
Odet	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:27:00 - [152] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well. err i didnt even know twd can fly a tempest... if you're thinking of m0o and tempest ur prolly reffering to vegeta. As for frank, frank flies a raven and did so in the gnw. twd in a cyclone? not in the GNW... Fairlane and Abominable did however fly them but not in the GNW. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Fred0	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:32:00 - [153] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well. I'm beginning to doubt you took part.
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:34:00 - [154] Edited by: Darko1107 on 13/06/2006 17:34:16 Hes means during the BoB Vrs NSA conflict, TWD used to fly alot of cylones, i remember running away from them a few times. EDIT: Lol just realised i wrote conflict. Meant slaughter. Signtaure removed. - Petwraith
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:44:00 - [155] Originally by: Odet Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well. err i didnt even know twd can fly a tempest... if you're thinking of m0o and tempest ur prolly reffering to vegeta. As for frank, frank flies a raven and did so in the gnw. twd in a cyclone? not in the GNW... Fairlane and Abominable did however fly them but not in the GNW. TWD doesn't fly Tempests. IIRC the famous 'bomberthron' incident was Dukath when the PA all warped to a belt in frigs attempting to nail a 'mining op' only to find Dukky sat there waiting with smartbombs pulsing. Goodness knows how Frank got dragged into this. I certainly don't remember TWD flying many Cyclones during the GNW. Amazing what a year can do to people's memories Eve Blacklight Style
Odet	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:59:00 - [156] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Odet Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well. err i didnt even know twd can fly a tempest... if you're thinking of m0o and tempest ur prolly reffering to vegeta. As for frank, frank flies a raven and did so in the gnw. twd in a cyclone? not in the GNW... Fairlane and Abominable did however fly them but not in the GNW. TWD doesn't fly Tempests. IIRC the famous 'bomberthron' incident was Dukath when the PA all warped to a belt in frigs attempting to nail a 'mining op' only to find Dukky sat there waiting with smartbombs pulsing. Goodness knows how Frank got dragged into this. I certainly don't remember TWD flying many Cyclones during the GNW. Amazing what a year can do to people's memories in my defense i didnt drag frank into this i was simply pointing out he was a raven pilot, as lucian thought otherwise. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
TWD	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:59:00 - [157] Did fly a cyclone and ferox for a short time before they got nerfed ;\|
Odet	Posted - 2006.06.13 18:45:00 - [158] Originally by: TWD Did fly a cyclone and ferox for a short time before they got nerfed ;\| heh isnt that alwayz the case _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.13 18:51:00 - [159] Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 18:52:42 NO ODET WAS THE CYCLONE,TWD WAS THE MALLER AND PROPH (I know about the proph cuz he ganked me in X-70), and I could have sworn TWD flew Temps tho I guess it was Vegeta. I forgot to post about Odet,sry hun.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.13 18:57:00 - [160] wait.......then who was the Bombathron man originally in BKG? I know Sass and Stav liked geddons and apocs at the time I hung about. Remember I am on the US timezone so I usually see you kewl EU people in weird ships just putzin' about.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.13 19:02:00 - [161] Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 13/06/2006 10:19:22 Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well. Just as a fyi to this and your other post... :p M0o was the first known group to make effective use of the gankageddon, I made the setup (not very special) and told the rest of m0o about it. Mega Pulse I just got boosted and tanking was the standard, more than 2-3 damage mods was considered useless. For the time it was something new. I was the first known person to make effective use of the dual 100MN AB (tech2) Maller (the dual 100MN AB idea I got from someone else). I've never flown a Tempest in PvP on TQ. Quote: TWD Bombapoc (I think it was TWD's) pwning my corp mates inties at like 10 or 12k. That was either Dukath or someone else. Thanks for clearing that up. Drunk memories FTL
Alexison	Posted - 2006.06.13 19:31:00 - [162] Originally by: DirtyHarry We however, after PA were pretty much gone out of their claimed territories, got 2 epic battles in P3EN, one on a saturday and another the very next day. A huge number of pilots were involved, maybe 150-200. I belive BoB held the field at the end on the saturday and FoE (our ally with Foyle <3) held the field at the end of the sunday battle, (or vice versa on the days dont quote me on this). The battles raged for over an hour each day, was very good fun for both sides afaik as BoB hadnt had a decent fight in a while since PA were using small gank forces at that stage. BoB had the kill ratio on us I believe but the fleet was mainly made up of the FoE industrial corps who took up arms and not so many of the two main FoE pvp corps (FE+Corp1). It was tiring as hell on the Sunday, NumberOne (aka Brotherdeath) and myself had the task of calling targets for over an hour (note: I had stepped down from leading fleets over a year before that, so it was exhausting to say the least) while Zen Later handled the EW. Was probably the first fleet battle I was in. Can't remember much from that time. Still a noob flying ships with noob fittings. :P Was in both battles. Saturday in a vigil and sunday in a caracal. Found this images on the kb, I seem to have deleted mine when I was blown up. :( Grimster in a claw. Pic 1 Pic 2 Was fun that you had to call in Shinra to end the battle on sunday. Not so fun traveling back to BKG in a pod without instas and a head full with valuable implants. Fun times indeed.
Odet	Posted - 2006.06.13 19:48:00 - [163] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 18:52:42 NO ODET WAS THE CYCLONE,TWD WAS THE MALLER AND PROPH (I know about the proph cuz he ganked me in X-70), and I could have sworn TWD flew Temps tho I guess it was Vegeta. I forgot to post about Odet,sry hun. u damn right better post about me! hmmm x-70 i really should get my stuff out of there one day... _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.06.13 22:24:00 - [164] Originally by: Lucian Alucard wait.......then who was the Bombathron man originally in BKG? I know Sass and Stav liked geddons and apocs at the time I hung about. Remember I am on the US timezone so I usually see you kewl EU people in weird ships just putzin' about. That was Dukath. He was also doing gurista missions during all of GNW, which was kinda fun, frigs would scramble to get him, he'd bomb them and carry on about his business.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.13 23:56:00 - [165] Ah because all I remember is Duke Rottingham posting a link in "PanzyAlliance" chat to a vid of a Bombathron sitting at a warp in spot,then seeing like 15-17 HAOS and GODS Intys/Frigs warp in and pretty much get insta popped.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.06.14 08:27:00 - [166] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 14/06/2006 08:32:06 Yes it was Dukath ! in a Bombapoc. He was the pioneer. Without him i would never be using my discophoon 2 years later
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.14 09:14:00 - [167] Originally by: Alexison Originally by: DirtyHarry ... Was probably the first fleet battle I was in. Can't remember much from that time. Still a noob flying ships with noob fittings. :P Was in both battles. Saturday in a vigil and sunday in a caracal. Found this images on the kb, I seem to have deleted mine when I was blown up. :( Grimster in a claw. Pic 1 Pic 2 Was fun that you had to call in Shinra to end the battle on sunday. Not so fun traveling back to BKG in a pod without instas and a head full with valuable implants. Fun times indeed. Obe is just next door to P3EN, you could have easily gotten a shuttle or frigate there Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 14/06/2006 09:11:21 Yes it was Dukath ! in a Bombapoc. He was the pioneer. Without him i would never be using my discophoon 2 years later. It was a bombaTHRON!
juduzz	Posted - 2006.06.14 09:59:00 - [168] Originally by: Alexison Originally by: DirtyHarry We however, after PA were pretty much gone out of their claimed territories, got 2 epic battles in P3EN, one on a saturday and another the very next day. A huge number of pilots were involved, maybe 150-200. I belive BoB held the field at the end on the saturday and FoE (our ally with Foyle <3) held the field at the end of the sunday battle, (or vice versa on the days dont quote me on this). The battles raged for over an hour each day, was very good fun for both sides afaik as BoB hadnt had a decent fight in a while since PA were using small gank forces at that stage. BoB had the kill ratio on us I believe but the fleet was mainly made up of the FoE industrial corps who took up arms and not so many of the two main FoE pvp corps (FE+Corp1). It was tiring as hell on the Sunday, NumberOne (aka Brotherdeath) and myself had the task of calling targets for over an hour (note: I had stepped down from leading fleets over a year before that, so it was exhausting to say the least) while Zen Later handled the EW. Was probably the first fleet battle I was in. Can't remember much from that time. Still a noob flying ships with noob fittings. :P Was in both battles. Saturday in a vigil and sunday in a caracal. Found this images on the kb, I seem to have deleted mine when I was blown up. :( Grimster in a claw. Pic 1 Pic 2 Was fun that you had to call in Shinra to end the battle on sunday. Not so fun traveling back to BKG in a pod without instas and a head full with valuable implants. Fun times indeed. Lol that brings back memories, running out of cruise half way through battle so just lobbing torps on anything that came in range hoping they would hit :P
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.06.14 10:35:00 - [169] (Forums ate my post again >.<) Haha that was an awesomely fun battle, my first really. And since i had a lot of the sounds and so on turned on, i crashed 7 times during the first fight, and managed to restart my computer and get back in, and survive BDCI Recruitment Officersig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
Kurenin	Posted - 2006.06.14 11:13:00 - [170] Lucian is such a never-been, always commenting on things he had no involvement and being all buddy buddy with people.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.06.14 11:19:00 - [171] the GNW was an interesting one - more to come i think
KIAPieman	Posted - 2006.06.14 16:14:00 - [172] All i took now from the GNW is D.T.A dont trust anybody. people who know about the GNW "apology" thread will know my reasons. --------------------------------------------------
Suzana	Posted - 2006.06.15 02:29:00 - [173] GNW taught me: -The meaning of fighting for ideals. This feeling is far the best that a MMOG can give you. -The power of the unity can make unbelievable things! -Never underestimate the enemy! -Who to trust and who not to trust. -Politics / propaganda / morale / friendship are much more important than numbers and pvp ability in an alliance. -The power of smack and the meaning of not speak. -Respect my enemy. -How to pvp (bob/m0o gave me good lessons) GNW gave me also: -my first kill -my first loss, -my first gang -my first fleet battle -addiction to this game -tons of fun and the opposite (few times) -a lot of memories I really want to say THANKS to all players that took part in GNW and ofc CCP for this great game.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.15 04:30:00 - [174] To clear something up Kuren......first off I have always admited to having little to no experience in BKG or to do with m0o beyond knowing Sass through La Masion and comming on VNTR ts late at night since he was friends with Alex Belani who in return is my friend,Odet I have chated with in D-C channel a few times as well as in local in X-70 and orvolle usually after they kicked my ass. Early on in the GNW i was just getting randomly ganked in Pure Blind and following whatever fleet around I could,when I joined Venture I fought mainly in Dek but did tag along with Phonix a few times up to BKG. Thats it. If you doubt that I fought in GNW please go talk to Destable,LLeBRing,Notfer,Prophecy,Phonix and so forth,I was the pitiful tag along who had loads of fun being that and fully realise that the greatest achievement I got to my name to this point would be HELPING ((not souly starting)) the Gangsta Nation/ TPS civil war. Thats it final end of stroy. I tag along with a bunch of friends and have fun.
xenodia	Posted - 2006.06.15 15:55:00 - [175] Originally by: Odet Originally by: Lucian Alucard Edited by: Lucian Alucard on 13/06/2006 09:36:36 Actually Frank was the big bombathron pilot. TWD originally was a "OMGWTFBBQ" Tempest pilot when we were all in dual mwd Ravens and Mallers. Then he found out about Dual MWD Mallers and Prophs and rocked the kill boards to end. I also distinctly remember liking Dual over sized Ab, Cyclones with T2 650s and doing well on the killboard as well. err i didnt even know twd can fly a tempest... if you're thinking of m0o and tempest ur prolly reffering to vegeta. As for frank, frank flies a raven and did so in the gnw. twd in a cyclone? not in the GNW... Fairlane and Abominable did however fly them but not in the GNW. If I remember correctly, Battlecruisers werent even in the game at the time of the GNW. They were still a new item when the conflict between BoB and the NSA alliance kicked off in Deklein/Fade/Pureblind a few months later. It was kind of funny actually, because nobody had quite figured out how to use them yet, so you had all these otherwise experienced pilots flying around in BC setups that would be considered complete crap today, just trying them out.
Odet	Posted - 2006.06.15 16:18:00 - [176] setups changes, because the ships and the game and the equipment changes. Setups that were good ages ago doesnt mean they they will be good later on. _______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______ =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fr
Simitova	Posted - 2006.06.15 19:44:00 - [177] GNW was probably the reason why I m still in this game today. The most amazing part of the game mechanics was manifested in GNW: players make everything happen, nothing is scripted, if you re good it's because you play well, if you suck it's coz u play bad. I remember my first losses, then my first kill making me seriously wonder if it was better than sex It was indeed good fun, even when outplayed in every field of the game by the enemy and that says a lot about the quality of the game.
Koval	Posted - 2006.06.15 19:50:00 - [178] GNW never ended
Rebellion	Posted - 2006.06.16 02:11:00 - [179] Edited by: Rebellion on 16/06/2006 02:12:47 The GNW was probably the last, biggest war between cults of personalities. It all started with Evol losing a frigate.... It moved from a war between military forces, then turned into a war of propaganda and philosophies. I am still awed at how PA leadership managed to keep their people believing that they would make a recovery because while they believed, it was indeed possible. We had to spend a lot of effort to keep the entire field sterile. I've never written as much as I did before or since because of the political battle and information warfare. My last major involvement was trying to find a resolution to the issue of Fade and Deklein towards the very end of the war. While we did achieve our goals, the resulting political map eventually fragmented, and BoB finally left BKG after over a year of war. The result of that war really was the creation of BoB, which is probably the last big alliance still tied together by near-fanatic bonds. I think the recent skirmishes and mini-wars are just a result of the power vaccum created by so many combat players being occupied in and around BKG for so long. During their absence in the other areas, new groups formed in isolation without being given a chance to refine themselves in the fire of total warfare. I don't think EVOL has had to apply methods we used in the PA war yet. Which is maybe a good thing, as those methods were exhausting.
goazer	Posted - 2006.06.16 03:15:00 - [180] Originally by: Frezik I didn't participate in the GNW, but the RONA video made a big impression on me in showing that Eve has exactly the sort of massive player fighting that all MMOs should have. BTW--That video looks like there was supposed to be a second part, but I was never able to find it. Does anybody know where it is? Or was it never finished? wow this video made me actually realize the scope of this conflict. I wish it was finished. I am really upset i joined this game 2 year to late lol. Anymore info or videos on this war would be apreciated to further school this nub
Lt Payne	Posted - 2006.06.16 10:04:00 - [181] Edited by: Lt Payne on 16/06/2006 10:07:44 Originally by: goazer Originally by: Frezik I didn't participate in the GNW, but the RONA video made a big impression on me in showing that Eve has exactly the sort of massive player fighting that all MMOs should have. BTW--That video looks like there was supposed to be a second part, but I was never able to find it. Does anybody know where it is? Or was it never finished? wow this video made me actually realize the scope of this conflict. I wish it was finished. I am really upset i joined this game 2 year to late lol. Anymore info or videos on this war would be apreciated to further school this nub Leafo of NSN did alot of high quality videos during GNW. Pictures dont seem to work but the video download does. Start with NSN file #9 - Attack on PA. NSN GNW videos -------------------------------------------- -=Who Dare Wins=- http://blades.stylii.com/ --------------------------------------------
Gekijin	Posted - 2006.06.16 19:46:00 - [182] Edited by: Gekijin on 16/06/2006 19:47:05 double post.
Heliodor Mordureau	Posted - 2006.06.16 19:47:00 - [183] The one thing that the GNW taught me was that with a dedicated crew and a good leader you can do almost anything. The reason GNW was so vivid for alot of people was during that period of time, fighting actually meant something. It wasn't just for fun, or a sidetrack from your current objectives. I was in from the moment BNC entered the War to the last engagement at the end, people on both sides bled long and hard for thier own righteous cause. This wasn't about the territory, or riches. This was about ideals, and both sides proved that at the time they believed deeply that they were in the right and weren't shy at all about proving thier devotion to thier specfic ideals. Add 7 months of tactical and strategic warfare, coupled by the propaganda war on the forums and you don't get much more realistic than that. Every corp who participated in the war came out much more than they had entered in. After all, GNW was the forge and the fire for many of its participants. After going through 7 months of constant conflict in all facets of EVE, everything else compared to that is just cake. Helio ________________________________________________ Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week. -DB Preacher
The Hand	Posted - 2006.06.16 21:17:00 - [184] The GNW was my first real pvp experience it taught me that going that far out from empire with only half a hold of torps was a realy Bad idea. It taught me alot about been vigilant and watching local all the time, hell i still watch local 24/7 now even in empire. it also taught me that things like log on tactics were lame as hell. But it was one of the best eve experiences of my life, the battle of 6nj will be one of the things i remember more than anything Oh and it also taught me that siting at a gate for 4-5 hours in ecp was sooooooooo boring. but hey thats war it has its good and bad points. Bob were some of the best people i have flown with in eve and they have my up most respect they fight as a unit and have some of the best fc's in the game, it was an honour fighting with them back then, as for our enemys, mainly the p-a it was all good clean fun and all side's made it possible.

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