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Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2006.08.25 11:13:00 - [151] Originally by: 31i73 oh please, theres nothing wrong with this font. There are pages of complaints about the font here so do you imagine that the opinion of others is worthless, or do you imagine they are all lying? Arrogant troll.
Lemoning Lemming	Posted - 2006.08.25 11:53:00 - [152] Great font choice, NOT !
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.08.25 12:09:00 - [153] Originally by: Mephysto I am talking to the decision makers about the font replacement. In order to try and convince them I need the following from you the players: A Bug Report with attached screenshots (zipped, zip file size under 2mb) that clearly display the current font in your monitors native resolution, the current font in a non-native res and a clear description of the monitor type you use, your typical resolution, the what the native resolution is. Please note, this is by no means a guarantee that font replacement will become available. Thanks for showing interest Mephysto. But if my word that i cannot stand the font is not enough for the decision makers, i have nothing further to say to them. This is not an issue of overpowered modules or mysterious crashes, where the customer knows what needs to be fixed, but doesnt know how to do it. This is not even a case where an obvious interface design mistake (gang invite modality and default:yes) is interfering with the gaming experience. This is a simple case of do or die. If you cannot give us a way to chose our own fonts because of legal issues: good bye and good luck. If this is just a case of oversized egos and wrong priorities: see you in hell ;)
Crux Australis Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.08.25 12:10:00 - [154] First of all, thx for the answer Mephysto. I have already bugreported this issue so many times in the past (with screenshots) that no, I am not going to do it again. Plz, tell to the decision makers that (in case they didn't know, which I seriously don't think, eh?) there are some fonts that are universally used on the net for their main characteristic: readability. What is the problem in just using, for instance, a standard VERDANA font? Seriously, what is the problem ? Or make the font selectable from a list. Or just give us back the opportunity to replace the fonts: why did u take that away? What unnominable exploits did this possibility lead to?
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 12:22:00 - [155] has anyone mentioned, the font sucks?? No really, it sucks big hairy gopherballs. not those little ones, the big hairy flea infested gopherballs that scare grizzlybears. So yet again, I recap: the font sucks! How to move your T2 bpo's
Crux Australis Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.08.25 12:30:00 - [156] Originally by: Bawldeux IV has anyone mentioned, the font sucks?? Maybe !
ergatesAB Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 12:40:00 - [157] The current font is causing my eyes to hurt. Please improve on the font and the font rendering. Thanks!
Toolivus	Posted - 2006.08.25 13:10:00 - [158] Edited by: Toolivus on 25/08/2006 13:12:49 To be honest, that picture before with the Verdana and the eve font only showed one thing; that you shouldn't force people into using one font. That verdana was painful to read and looked terrible when you're just looking at it. If you're going to change the font, please give us an option to return to something readable. And tommy, before crying troll at anyone who disagrees, think about the thousands of people who don't find the font unbearable and thus aren't complaining. I love the current font.
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:06:00 - [159] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Originally by: Mephysto I am talking to the decision makers about the font replacement. In order to try and convince them I need the following from you the players: A Bug Report with attached screenshots (zipped, zip file size under 2mb) that clearly display the current font in your monitors native resolution, the current font in a non-native res and a clear description of the monitor type you use, your typical resolution, the what the native resolution is. Please note, this is by no means a guarantee that font replacement will become available. Thanks for showing interest Mephysto. But if my word that i cannot stand the font is not enough for the decision makers, i have nothing further to say to them. This is not an issue of overpowered modules or mysterious crashes, where the customer knows what needs to be fixed, but doesnt know how to do it. This is not even a case where an obvious interface design mistake (gang invite modality and default:yes) is interfering with the gaming experience. This is a simple case of do or die. If you cannot give us a way to chose our own fonts because of legal issues: good bye and good luck. If this is just a case of oversized egos and wrong priorities: see you in hell ;) I have to wonder WTF they are thinking with that request. How the heck will a screen shot with a font the blind-font-master can read, help them understand how WE, those that can not stand it/read it, are effected. I agree with the ending, if they can't provide a way to allow us to use a pleasant/readable font, then they won't have my $$$ either. *to the blind-font-master, is your freaking ego so overblown that you can't admit it was a poor selection, that you choose a style over function (customers being able to read it)??* If the Font is not improved, those that have issue with it need to click the "cancel" button for their subscription. The accountants will be asking WHY real fast! (you can always resub later if it is FIXED) How to move your T2 bpo's
Razin	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:12:00 - [160] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Originally by: Mephysto I am talking to the decision makers about the font replacement. In order to try and convince them I need the following from you the players: A Bug Report with attached screenshots (zipped, zip file size under 2mb) that clearly display the current font in your monitors native resolution, the current font in a non-native res and a clear description of the monitor type you use, your typical resolution, the what the native resolution is. Please note, this is by no means a guarantee that font replacement will become available. Thanks for showing interest Mephysto. But if my word that i cannot stand the font is not enough for the decision makers, i have nothing further to say to them. This is not an issue of overpowered modules or mysterious crashes, where the customer knows what needs to be fixed, but doesnt know how to do it. This is not even a case where an obvious interface design mistake (gang invite modality and default:yes) is interfering with the gaming experience. This is a simple case of do or die. If you cannot give us a way to chose our own fonts because of legal issues: good bye and good luck. If this is just a case of oversized egos and wrong priorities: see you in hell ;) So, a dev replies to the thread and requests that you bug report this with a screenshot so that he can present your case and make sure youÆre not just a bandwagon troll, and you and a bunch of others in this thread say you canÆt be bothered. Well, donÆt let the door hit you on the ass.

Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:21:00 - [161] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Originally by: Mephysto I am talking to the decision makers about the font replacement. In order to try and convince them I need the following from you the players: A Bug Report with attached screenshots (zipped, zip file size under 2mb) that clearly display the current font in your monitors native resolution, the current font in a non-native res and a clear description of the monitor type you use, your typical resolution, the what the native resolution is. Please note, this is by no means a guarantee that font replacement will become available. Thanks for showing interest Mephysto. But if my word that i cannot stand the font is not enough for the decision makers, i have nothing further to say to them. This is not an issue of overpowered modules or mysterious crashes, where the customer knows what needs to be fixed, but doesnt know how to do it. This is not even a case where an obvious interface design mistake (gang invite modality and default:yes) is interfering with the gaming experience. This is a simple case of do or die. If you cannot give us a way to chose our own fonts because of legal issues: good bye and good luck. If this is just a case of oversized egos and wrong priorities: see you in hell ;) So, a dev replies to the thread and requests that you bug report this with a screenshot so that he can present your case and make sure youÆre not just a bandwagon troll, and you and a bunch of others in this thread say you canÆt be bothered. Well, donÆt let the door hit you on the ass. If they have the same FFFFing screen view we have, how the FFFF is a screen shot going to help them??? Pull head from stinky hole and pay attention troll. WE HAVE A PROBLEM READING THE UGLY FONT. This is not a matter that nobody can read it. This is a matter that MANY cannot stand it/gives some a headache/others cant read it at all. Asking us to send them a screen shot and hardware specs of our systems is not going to correct the issue in any way shape or form. ALLLLLL of those with this font issue are NOT using the same hardware (probability of that is so far out there, it's silly). IF the blind-font-master can read the font, how will our screen shots alter his blind opinion?? All the complaints about the font are not just FUD, it is a reality. Those that had issue found a way around it by changing the font, but CCP had to nerf that while allowing the local chat mod to stay...guess outright CHEATING is ok while those that just want to be able to read the games content are FFFFed. How to move your T2 bpo's
0lly Minmatar Wheel Of Time Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:25:00 - [162] Yup ill throw my whole hearted support behind a customer choice font. Notice its the word customer and not player. After all believe it or not we are customers. Now there are many who have no complaint with the font. but I believe its down to the style of play. for example If you dont actually have to read through your 100+ sell/buy orders.etc the font is no doubt adequate. or if you dont have running conversations with players. Basically If your style of play leaves reading down to a minimum then no doubt all these complaints are somewhat of a mystery. on a side note - Im downloading the patch even as I type, and will have a good old hack at it when I have the time . But in the meantime please note that apparently my font variations no longer work. Apologies to any who wished to use them. It would be nice if the devs took note - but I doubt it, as ccp no doubt dont want to pay for additional font licenses when they paid and designed the current one. Should I get any success - ill let you know. Regards 0lly If you were me , You'd want to be somebody else as well .
ZuN3 Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:30:00 - [163] I personally have absolutely no problem with the font. I have no troubles reading it at all. Nor would I really care if it was changed (as long as I could still read it). If there's this many people that find it hard to read then it should definetly be looked at.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:33:00 - [164] 1024x768 @ 17" avoiding escrow whereever i can.. looking at it for (way) too long leads to hot eyes and weird aggro hormones somehow... the extra line of pixel(s) didn't help either
Razin	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:35:00 - [165] Edited by: Razin on 25/08/2006 14:35:46 Originally by: Bawldeux IV If they have the same FFFFing screen view we have, how the FFFF is a screen shot going to help them??? Pull head from stinky hole and pay attention troll. WE HAVE A PROBLEM READING THE UGLY FONT. This is not a matter that nobody can read it. This is a matter that MANY cannot stand it/gives some a headache/others cant read it at all. Asking us to send them a screen shot and hardware specs of our systems is not going to correct the issue in any way shape or form. ALLLLLL of those with this font issue are NOT using the same hardware (probability of that is so far out there, it's silly). IF the blind-font-master can read the font, how will our screen shots alter his blind opinion?? All the complaints about the font are not just FUD, it is a reality. Those that had issue found a way around it by changing the font, but CCP had to nerf that while allowing the local chat mod to stay...guess outright CHEATING is ok while those that just want to be able to read the games content are FFFFed. It looks like you have many more problems than just reading the EVE font. All of them personal.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:47:00 - [166] Edited by: Tachy on 25/08/2006 14:49:02 nevermind ... --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:51:00 - [167] Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 25/08/2006 14:35:46 Originally by: Bawldeux IV If they have the same FFFFing screen view we have, how the FFFF is a screen shot going to help them??? Pull head from stinky hole and pay attention troll. WE HAVE A PROBLEM READING THE UGLY FONT. This is not a matter that nobody can read it. This is a matter that MANY cannot stand it/gives some a headache/others cant read it at all. Asking us to send them a screen shot and hardware specs of our systems is not going to correct the issue in any way shape or form. ALLLLLL of those with this font issue are NOT using the same hardware (probability of that is so far out there, it's silly). IF the blind-font-master can read the font, how will our screen shots alter his blind opinion?? All the complaints about the font are not just FUD, it is a reality. Those that had issue found a way around it by changing the font, but CCP had to nerf that while allowing the local chat mod to stay...guess outright CHEATING is ok while those that just want to be able to read the games content are FFFFed. It looks like you have many more problems than just reading the EVE font. All of them personal. I have an issue with trolls, like you. Continue with your personal insults and attacks and you will be petitioned. How to move your T2 bpo's
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:52:00 - [168] Originally by: ZuN3 I personally have absolutely no problem with the font. I have no troubles reading it at all. Nor would I really care if it was changed (as long as I could still read it). If there's this many people that find it hard to read then it should definetly be looked at. I thank you for your support and understanding of the issue. How to move your T2 bpo's
Toolivus	Posted - 2006.08.25 14:53:00 - [169] They're trying to see if it's just a font problem or a font scaling/showing at non-native resolution issue that will reappear if they simply change the font. Seems like a perfectly reasonable ask to me.
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.08.25 15:03:00 - [170] I would submit a bug report but after taking some screen shots and looking at the results at my native res (1600x1200) and none native (1280x1024). I noticed something the screen shots where not exact screen shots, they where not rendered the same as in game. I was using photoshop too. (Not paint :P) Like if I set my desktop to 1600x1200 and set the 1600x1200 screenshot as a background it was more readable than in game. Dunno what that is about. =\ It's not like I have a bad monitor either it's a ViewSonic Graphics Series, G90F. In fact it's probably the best monitor I have ever owned. --------

Razin	Posted - 2006.08.25 15:05:00 - [171] Originally by: Toolivus They're trying to see if it's just a font problem or a font scaling/showing at non-native resolution issue that will reappear if they simply change the font. Seems like a perfectly reasonable ask to me. Indeed. In addition they probably need to gauge the extent to which all those who complain in the forums are effected by seeing how many will go to the extra effort to file the bug report.
DOGNOSH Minmatar SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2006.08.25 15:14:00 - [172] i wonder what CCP would do if they started getting sued for eye damage ? seriously,creating your own font should be a doddle with the software engineers you have ========================================== stop moaning,give CCP a break
Razin	Posted - 2006.08.25 15:14:00 - [173] Originally by: Bawldeux IV I have an issue with trolls, like you. Continue with your personal insults and attacks and you will be petitioned. You have an issue with taking the heat without running away screaming for higher authority. No surprises there. You've been given a chance to have a real impact on the font problem by helping a developer present your case to those who can make the decision to allocate budget and manpower to the task. Instead you chose to insult those who disagree with your narrow-minded approach to this issue. If this does not get resolved in your favor you'll have no one but yourself to blame.
Bawldeux IV Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 15:38:00 - [174] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Bawldeux IV I have an issue with trolls, like you. Continue with your personal insults and attacks and you will be petitioned. You have an issue with taking the heat without running away screaming for higher authority. No surprises there. You've been given a chance to have a real impact on the font problem by helping a developer present your case to those who can make the decision to allocate budget and manpower to the task. Instead you chose to insult those who disagree with your narrow-minded approach to this issue. If this does not get resolved in your favor you'll have no one but yourself to blame. The issue with you is you made it a personal attack on ME! Thus the TROLL comment. Now if you don't like the heat that your insults bring on, then mind your tounge and behave. The query to the DEVS has been going on since they fubared the font. If YOU were not aware of this then you were suffering from ignorence of the issue. Screen shots will not achieve anything, but since they want them, I will be sending a few dozen this weekend. If calling you a troll after you trolled my post with a peronal insult, is an insult to you, then do not troll. How to move your T2 bpo's
Razin	Posted - 2006.08.25 15:55:00 - [175] Originally by: Bawldeux IV The issue with you is you made it a personal attack on ME! Thus the TROLL comment. Now if you don't like the heat that your insults bring on, then mind your tounge and behave. The query to the DEVS has been going on since they fubared the font. If YOU were not aware of this then you were suffering from ignorence of the issue. Screen shots will not achieve anything, but since they want them, I will be sending a few dozen this weekend. If calling you a troll after you trolled my post with a peronal insult, is an insult to you, then do not troll. My original reply was to Argenton Sayvers. I guess you're just too worked up to notice that. The rest of your reply makes about as much sense. I am glad you decided to go ahead with the bug report though. The sooner this font issue is fixed the less font complaint threads filled with people with headaches we will see.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.25 16:31:00 - [176] Originally by: Toolivus They're trying to see if it's just a font problem or a font scaling/showing at non-native resolution issue that will reappear if they simply change the font. Seems like a perfectly reasonable ask to me. That is occurs on CRT's means it's not a scaling issue for starters. Any truet... ...oh wait. No, no, NO!
Dezzereth Space Invaders	Posted - 2006.08.25 16:40:00 - [177] Change the font, and for the love of the gods, please make the icon numbers readable again. I have been posting about the font every time they changed it for the worse and CCP gives a [insert 4 letter word and it's NOT love] about those people having problems reading the font. And yes I know there are more pressing matters with the game, but if I can't read the chat properly and get a headache after looking through the market or escrow for more than a few minutes then I don't give a louzy damn if there are other bugs in the game. Quote: Almost sorry to raise this issue again, but one of our people was recently (yes, really) told by a GM that if enough people voiced their concerns about the current font, it will be looked at... I mean this comment alone by the OP tells it all. Somebody who would rightfully call himself UI designer would never let that that lozy crap they sell as font slip into a relase version of EVE in the first place. I voiced my complaint about the current font when it was introduced (and the bad implementation of the one before), and an other player commented "no need for an other thread, they know by now it's a problem" - LOL - yeah, sure. 8 months later we still have this aberration. OK CCP: to make it completely unmistakable: CHANGE THE FONT! IT SUCKS! MAKE THE ICON NUMBERS READABLE AGAIN! sighs - not very civilized, but I feel a wee bit better.
Lobster Man VentureCorp CORE.	Posted - 2006.08.25 16:47:00 - [178] My problems with readability are slim to none; I run my LCD in it's native res with eve fullscreen, smallest text and I can see it just fine. There are however many issues with ambiguity, which has been mentioned before. Such as O vs. 0, G vs 6, I vs, l, D Q and O/0, not to mention the ~ looks like a - in-game. If nothing else is fixed, at least make the characters distinguishable from one-another.
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:21:00 - [179] Originally by: Bawldeux IV Originally by: Razin Originally by: Bawldeux IV The issue with you is you made it a personal attack on ME! Thus the TROLL comment. Now if you don't like the heat that your insults bring on, then mind your tounge and behave. The query to the DEVS has been going on since they fubared the font. If YOU were not aware of this then you were suffering from ignorence of the issue. Screen shots will not achieve anything, but since they want them, I will be sending a few dozen this weekend. If calling you a troll after you trolled my post with a peronal insult, is an insult to you, then do not troll. My original reply was to Argenton Sayvers. I guess you're just too worked up to notice that. The rest of your reply makes about as much sense. I am glad you decided to go ahead with the bug report though. The sooner this font issue is fixed the less font complaint threads filled with people with headaches we will see. if your reply is to another post, then why did you qoute and insult me? stop backpeddling on your insult. lets see how this works for you; "YOU have some personal issues, get proffesional help soon!" If you disagree with me, fine, but do not insult, then backpeddle with more insult slinging as your defense. The font sucks, all these pages indicating there are a LOT of players with this issue, is not easy to miss or ignore, so explain how YOU fail to see there is a problem that needs to be addressed by CCP (yes CCP, not YOU). Do you two need to be alone for a while?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:22:00 - [180] Edited by: Plutoinum on 25/08/2006 17:25:21 Originally by: Celiss EULA with both fonts on one page (make sure you're viewing the image full-size, not scaled) I find that while I can read both, I can read the Verdana much more easily and with less strain. Well, the first font ins condensed, the 2nd is wider. Although the Verdana isr readable, I think some letter spacing is disturbing, although you get used to it. E.g. the word 'Agreement' look nice in Verdana, but the words 'conditions' and 'under' and 'install' show some problems with letter spacing. It looks a bit like 'con ditions' 'un der' 'in stall'. I don't know if spacing between syllables is intended, but I'm not a kid, who reads words step by step. I recongnize a word as a whole, so I don't like it much. Guess I'm pedantic. edit: Btw. that was also something that I didn't like about the first RMR font. Spacing between letters tore some words apart while others seemed normal.



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