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Maenia Gracilis
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Posted - 2006.08.23 11:57:00 -
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Dear CCP. Your in game text font seriously hurts my eyes and gives me severe headaches. Please fix it, thank you in advance.
sincerely
/signed
A.C.Ustomer
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Lucre
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:08:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: j0sephine
One universe, one server, one font.
You will learn to like it. Or you will stop playing. Either way solves the problem and dev ego stays intact amirite? ¼¼;;
One font to use for all
One font design then
One font to type it all
And with a headache blind them...
-- And hey, who necro'd my thread? 
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Reka Terseri
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:10:00 -
[93]
The freedom of choice is a basic human right. Now, us players of EVE have choices upon choices upon choices! We can choose to mine, we can choose to hunt pirates, we can choose to converse or we can choose to shoot. We can choose 0.0 or we can choose empire, we can choose agents or we can choose complexes. We can choose our race, our ship, our weapons, our armor, our everything.
But not our font.
Am I the only one who spots a discrepancy?
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:13:00 -
[94]
Originally by: das licht
I don't think it makes much sens arguing with developers of a game. It's their game and fate too. Love or hate it.
We don't know why they changed the perfect Cold War font. It might be even liecence stuff and what not.
CCP had to implement a new font to support unicode and allow the client to be localized, afaik.
The specific font they implemented, though, was a design choice, not a technical one.
In fairness, CCP have recently been making huge strides in improving their responsiveness to the needs of the customer base, IMO. I hope you guys at CCP find the time to prioritise offering a basic range of easier reading fonts for the proportion of your customers who find the default sci-fi font prohibitive to their gameplay.
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Astorothe
Ono-Sensai
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:25:00 -
[95]
Selectable Fonts and Granular Sound Configuration for the win.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:25:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Originally by: das licht
I don't think it makes much sens arguing with developers of a game. It's their game and fate too. Love or hate it.
We don't know why they changed the perfect Cold War font. It might be even liecence stuff and what not.
CCP had to implement a new font to support unicode and allow the client to be localized, afaik.
The specific font they implemented, though, was a design choice, not a technical one.
In fairness, CCP have recently been making huge strides in improving their responsiveness to the needs of the customer base, IMO. I hope you guys at CCP find the time to prioritise offering a basic range of easier reading fonts for the proportion of your customers who find the default sci-fi font prohibitive to their gameplay.
There are quite a few unicode fonts that aren't breaking each and every font design guideline. okay, it could be a calligrafic font on top of what we have right now ...
Olly, I hope we get a working replacement soon! 
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Zeddicus Thermopyle
Caldari
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:32:00 -
[97]
Something has to be done about the font. Give us a choice of several fonts or let us use the fonts we have installed on our computers, like most other MMO's, that I have played, do. I love EVE but the font hurts my eyes and gives me a headache.
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Aelita
Minmatar
CHON
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:48:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Aelita on 23/08/2006 12:51:14
I think after new patch is time to fill pettion again. I can't distinguish 0,O, 8, B, i and l.
Font in EVE hurt me and I have headache, probably time to law suit? No voices from DVEs? Fonts in eve seems to be similar story as in "Silence of the lambs".
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Ellie Bloomberg
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:01:00 -
[99]
Simple test of the usefulness of the current font:
Type "6 & G " in the eve client window
Can you tell which character is which?
LET US USE WELL DESIGNED FONTS!
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Prvince Varro
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Posted - 2006.08.23 23:29:00 -
[100]
Can we get some acknowledgement that this problem will be address by Devs?
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.08.24 00:19:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Rakeris on 24/08/2006 00:22:52
Just thought I might as well psot in this tread to. :P
But yeah the font sucks, hard to read and hurts your eyes, please fix!
EDIT: And I have to agree with Celiss.
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Celiss
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Posted - 2006.08.24 00:20:00 -
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The current font is unbearable. It literally gives me headaches after short periods. It's barely legiblewhen small, and even when large it's a strain to read, due to its boxy shape, poor kerning, tall but narrow shape, etc. If you look at the EULA in both the game font, and Verdana, the game font looks like a mess of square shapes.. Verdana looks like actual language.
We know that in Blood, with a little modification, Verdana looked and worked just fine in EVE. The rendering engine wasn't the limitation (though it may have it's issues, I dont' know).
I love EVE, but I seriously don't know how much I can play it when it gives me headaches.
And yes, the font is *objectively* bad. Fonts are not a new area, hundreds of millions of dollars and decades have been spent studying font design, creating good fonts, allowing good fonts to be put into all documents, etc. There are excellent guidelines and studies on what makes a font easy to read. The EVE font is stylistically neat, good for a large banner title or something, but not for reading long descriptions.
If the limitation is that EVE can't use the system fonts due to some weird reason, and doens't want to license Verdana, then they can use one of the several good license-free versions. Or just let us supply our own font, in their format (like we did in Blood), and let us deal with getting it.
I know myself, and at least one of the friends I've brought to EVE, are having much difficulty. I want to give CCP my money, but I need them to take a step or two my way.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
L.O.S.T. Foundation
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Posted - 2006.08.24 01:03:00 -
[103]
signed, signed, and signed again.
i play EVE at 1792*1344 and it's just tiny - some nights (if i've had a long day) then i find myself reducing the screen rez to 1600x1200 simply to read without straining.
This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations
Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah
Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon!
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Legende
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.24 01:09:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Legende on 24/08/2006 01:12:17
Originally by: Faeden Pain
Originally by: Lucre
/me thinks this is probably flogging dead horse
Probably
The problem though is that, like the way ships look, the way the font looks is subjective. What they really should do is make the font selectable.
O's look like zeroes, and sometimes capitol D's ... that's not subjective.
/signed
EDIT: I play at 1680x1050 and I can read the text well enough, though it is a little bit of a strain... but the O/zero thing really is one of the biggest issues I have with eve. That and lack of station cans in 0.0 [that's zero-point-zero, not oh-point-oh  ]
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Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.08.24 01:16:00 -
[105]
Funny I prefer tiny fonts and had no problems before.
Now I think the font is too big and out of sync with the GUI as I whole. It doesn't wrap to the windows, item or display properly and seems to 'float' over most items. Then it wraps and covers important images/items.
Fit to your designed GUI.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.08.24 01:42:00 -
[106]
Yeah!
A bit of ARIAL-BOLD never hurt anyone!
/sarc
On a serious note, I'm one of the few who have no issues with the font.
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Manus Stuprare
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Posted - 2006.08.24 15:17:00 -
[107]
This is virtually a game-breaking issue for me.
I've had to drop my resolution to minimum just to be able to read this horrible font. Even so my eyes start to burn after about 20 minutes, I can't even consider playing for longer than an hour.
Please, please do something about this. 
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Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2006.08.24 15:56:00 -
[108]
/me voices some opinion
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Joream
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Posted - 2006.08.24 16:43:00 -
[109]
Here's my font story.
I have a desktop and a laptop.
I run my desktop, with a 22" monitor, at 1280x1024.
My laptop, with a 15" LCD, has a native resolution of 1400x1050.
With 21" viewable area, this means a diagonal pixels-per-inch of 78, for the desktop.
With 15" viewable area, this means a diagonal pixels-per-inch of 116, for the laptop.
That means the laptop has 50% more pixels crammed into every diagonal inch than the desktop.
There's the raw numbers. Now, the problem.
I can hardly play Eve on the laptop. Heck, I'd like to play it at 1600x1200 on the desktop, but without being able to set the font to a reasonable size, it's just not feasable.
On the laptop, at 1400x1050, I can't read the fonts without squinting somewhat, which means playing Eve is uncomfortable, unpleasant, and gives me headaches from the eye strain. And this is comming from someone who regularly programs on a 22" monitor, with the resolution at 1600x1200, for hours on end without any eyestrain.
I'd like to buy a 24" widescreen LCD with a native resolution of 1920x1200, but considering the font in Eve, I'll either get the LCD, or play Eve, but not both.
If you don't have the time or inclination to make the font configurable, then please, for the sake of your paying customers, at least allow us to replace them the way people have in the past, even if it does mean that sometimes the font overflows past the buttons, etc etc.
(For the record, I don't play enough on my laptop to bother, considering it violates the EULA.)
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Mephysto
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Posted - 2006.08.24 16:44:00 -
[110]
I am talking to the decision makers about the font replacement. In order to try and convince them I need the following from you the players:
A Bug Report with attached screenshots (zipped, zip file size under 2mb) that clearly display the current font in your monitors native resolution, the current font in a non-native res and a clear description of the monitor type you use, your typical resolution, the what the native resolution is.
Please note, this is by no means a guarantee that font replacement will become available.
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Bethanor d'Lioncourt
Solar Wind
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 16:48:00 -
[111]
My eyes get really tired after playing the game for more than an hour.
The font issue is really bad for laptop and LCD screen users like since going to a resolution lower than the native resolution is not an option since it makes the text even more blurry.
For a game that is so heavily dependent on text, I find it very puzzling that the developers are ignoring their players on what has repeatedly stated as a serious gameplay affecting issue. The developers lack of any sort of feed back or response to this concern is even more mind boggling given the fact that the font problem has been proven to be easily fixable as shown by a simple third party mod that replaces the default font.
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2006.08.24 17:04:00 -
[112]
i thought one of the benefits of moving to the Dragon code was to allow us more flexibility with fonts?
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2006.08.24 17:48:00 -
[113]
It is amazing how bad the font is. I had completely forgotten what a game-killer it was since I had been using Verdana for so long. I have basically just stopped reading anything expect for the context menues which I can set to 12pt, and the chat, which I can set to VERY FREAKING LARGE.
I hate to belabor the underlying point again and again, but the font design is just insanely bad. Like another poster said, it would look great on a banner. I second and third this notion. The font does look very nice at a glance. How about using this as a test: install the font on on the devs computers and have them program in it for an hour in 10 pt on 15" 1400x1050 screen.
The way I interpret the developers response above is "Send us your screens and we will determine for you whether the font should give you headaches." No thanks.
I will accept a pro-rata refund for the 27 days left on my sub though.
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.08.24 17:56:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Mephysto
I am talking to the decision makers about the font replacement. In order to try and convince them I need the following from you the players:
A Bug Report with attached screenshots (zipped, zip file size under 2mb) that clearly display the current font in your monitors native resolution, the current font in a non-native res and a clear description of the monitor type you use, your typical resolution, the what the native resolution is.
Please note, this is by no means a guarantee that font replacement will become available.
Some of the fonts are a bit too similar. Examples:
Uppercase I and lowercase L
Uppercase O and 0 (zero) (identical :/)
Uppercase S and 5 (five)
Uppercase G and 6 (six)
At least fix those plz
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Krychton
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 18:08:00 -
[115]
Really who cares about the font? Its not that bad. I rather they work on more important things tbh. I bet you once they replace the font, another group of people come up and whine about it.
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Hertford
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.24 18:12:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Krychton
Really who cares about the font? Its not that bad. I rather they work on more important things tbh. I bet you once they replace the font, another group of people come up and whine about it.
Which is why people have been asking for the facility to choose which font EVE uses. A replacement font, as you correctly state, will result in people still complaining.
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Skraelingz
Gallente
Gallente Federal Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.24 18:15:00 -
[117]
signed
wanting some sort of selectable fontage.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.24 19:10:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Krychton
Really who cares about the font? Its not that bad. I rather they work on more important things tbh. I bet you once they replace the font, another group of people come up and whine about it.
Bad font causing eyestrain and headaches is not that bad. Mmkay. I think you failed this test - unless you're training for management.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.24 19:40:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Krychton
Really who cares about the font? Its not that bad. I rather they work on more important things tbh. I bet you once they replace the font, another group of people come up and whine about it.
Krychton, it IS that bad on a lot of CRT monitors. It looks okay on most LCD's, but that's not really good.
And we don't want a replacement, we want OPTIONS.
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.08.24 20:11:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Inspiration on 24/08/2006 20:15:17
Signed..
I got a large widescreen and I have to set the font at maximum size, causing overflow issues. I must say the font has improved since a few revisions back (I did like the much older font more tho). Its not a font only issue either IMHO, its the boxes where texts is placed in, the fact that some texts are influsenced by choosing the bigger font and other texts are not. Its not consistent troughout the interface, which only makes is worse then it has to be.
While I dont get eyestrain anymore, liking is another matter !!!
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