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Jor Azmeh	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:17:00 - [31] Nothing against China, but 99% of the sellers/farmers come from there. When Serenity is up, just don't allow China to log onto TQ. If they have thier own cluster, there's no reason for them to need to be on TQ. -
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Jor Azmeh Nothing against China, but 99% of the sellers/farmers come from there. When Serenity is up, just don't allow China to log onto TQ. If they have thier own cluster, there's no reason for them to need to be on TQ. OK, sure, you have nothing against China. How do you know its them?
Jor Azmeh	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:21:00 - [33] Originally by: HippoKing OK, sure, you have nothing against China. How do you know its them? WHOIS is a wonderful tool -
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Jor Azmeh Originally by: HippoKing OK, sure, you have nothing against China. How do you know its them? WHOIS is a wonderful tool I just did a google search for "isk", and ran a whois on the 4 sponsored ads for ISK selling sites that came up. I got: Arizona Hong Kong Ontario Arizona again Whois cannot lie! Ban all Americans!
Jor Azmeh	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:30:00 - [35] Edited by: Jor Azmeh on 09/06/2006 14:30:34 Originally by: HippoKing I just did a google search for "isk", and ran a whois on the 4 sponsored ads for ISK selling sites that came up. I got: Arizona Hong Kong Ontario Arizona again Whois cannot lie! Ban all Americans! Have you ever talked to ISK farmers? I talk to them on a daily basis (they've literally taken over my corp's home system) Last night, out of 25 people in local, 4 of us were players. The rest were CONFIRMED farmers. how are they confirmed? Hell, I convo them all the time. They are all from China. They openly admit to ISK farming The evemail spam I get has domain names from China. have they been petitioned? yup. I'm not saying it'll completely erase ISK selling. And once again, I'm not blaming China on a whole - there are probably many there that do not sell ISK and play the game for what it is. However, Serenity is a China-only server that the rest of the world can't access. It's not like they're missing out on the game. -
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:39:00 - [36] I've updated the post. I'm not saying that there aren't Chinese farmers involved: there most definitely are a lot of them, but banning them will not fix the problem, it will just **** over real chinese players (and there are quite a lot of those), those running the selling operations (mostly western. They might not being sitting there mining, but the money is going to them in the end) will get off happily, and set up sweatshops elsewhere they can get the labour (Balkan states?)
Jor Azmeh	Posted - 2006.06.09 14:45:00 - [37] Edited by: Jor Azmeh on 09/06/2006 14:46:22 Originally by: HippoKing I've updated the post. I'm not saying that there aren't Chinese farmers involved: there most definitely are a lot of them, but banning them will not fix the problem, it will just **** over real chinese players (and there are quite a lot of those), those running the selling operations (mostly western. They might not being sitting there mining, but the money is going to them in the end) will get off happily, and set up sweatshops elsewhere they can get the labour (Balkan states?) that is a possibility. I dont see how it'd upset Chinese players, so what I understand (and it's not much, admittedly) China is very restricted on who can go online and where.. but they have thier own cluster now. A cluster we can't use....it's petty, but they can access both and we only have access to the spammed one? It's either that, or make it so it's easier for us to clear out infested systems. honestly, why should legit player corps be forced to move because people violating the EULA are allowed to mine there with no reporcussions? soon we'll have can spamming for ISK, then we'll have spamming in local (oh wait, that already happens) something needs to be done, because it's getting way out of hand. If not banning the china server, a revamp of th eNPC corp system is needed. [pardon my spelling] -
Zeebat	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:04:00 - [38] Got one too. I didn't see an obvious petition category. Do people use harrassment? Here are some possible "fixes": 1) Let us set a cost threshold for strangers sending evemail. But make it a deposit that we can either let concord keep or give back to the sender if the mail isnt spam. Maybe just apply this to trial accounts. If they have to risk 100k per message they won't be able to afford to do much spamming. 2) Limit the number of evemails a trial account can send. Or limit the number of unread evemails. Spamming isnt very efficient if you have to creat a new account for every few people you spam. (Assuming trials can't be automagically established). 3) Allow people to optionally supply a credit card during trial. If they do, some or all restrictions are lifted. Perhpas charge them if they break the EULA.
Jor Azmeh	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:13:00 - [39] I use the harassment option, because frankly that's what it is. -
3rdD Dave	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:21:00 - [40] i fail to see the problem, if you subscribe to eve then you dont need trial accounts. Trail accounts should have the their eve mails per duration of trial capped to prevent abuse. At the end of the day its to protect the current subscribers not the abusers.
Jor Azmeh	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:24:00 - [41] Originally by: 3rdD Dave i fail to see the problem, if you subscribe to eve then you dont need trial accounts. Trail accounts should have the their eve mails per duration of trial capped to prevent abuse. At the end of the day its to protect the current subscribers not the abusers. I agree.. trial members are not paying for the game, plain and simple. and I highly doubt someone will base thier decision on whether or not to play eve based on if they can send evemail or not. -
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:27:00 - [42] These people are just gonna ruin it for all, and then the 14 day free trail will have to be taken away, because this will become such a problem _________________________________________________________ Sig In Prograss Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Bunny Wunny the IP address they login using is logged, so they can be blocked too Most IP adresses of gamers are probably dynamic (= whenever you connect to your provider, you get a new IP from his IP range(s)). If you block a person, he just reconnects to his provider to get a new IP. Another player with that provider might have bad luck later, because he gets a blocked IP and wonders, why he can't connect to the game.
CrayC	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:43:00 - [44] Just petitioned one isk-selling amigo. Told them in the petition to ban his sorry rear end sooner than SoonÖ. Reply back was that they banned him 4 minutes after he sent me the mail. I could only laugh, as that was indeed "sooner than SoonÖ" Nice job CCP, keep it up
R3dSh1ft	Posted - 2006.06.09 15:49:00 - [45] Don't petition under harrassment the GMs are busy enough already. I also petitioned an isk seller today under the EULA violation option of the Other petition category, within 2 hours I had a reply stating that the guy was banned and given how my email account lags, it was probably a lot sooner. Thankyou GM Guard! ______________________________________
phillip duncan	Posted - 2006.06.09 19:42:00 - [46] How about having the trail cost a little money 2-3 Euro's? A small price for someone that is intrested in playing. But expencive if the trial is abused and gets banned several times a day.
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2006.06.09 19:45:00 - [47] Yeah.. i got one today.. I suppose they are going to have to start banning IP's as.. these are just trial accounts i think. Sigh their begenning to annoy me.
Nox Solaris	Posted - 2006.06.09 19:49:00 - [48] WHOIS, while indeed a handy tool, is quite ineffective at locating who actually holds the domain. As I never put any sort of accurate iRL contact info other than a freemail account when I register a domain I could be from down the street or Austrailia. Those Arizona returns could be bought & paid for by chinese domain holders easily. Or russian, indian, et al.
Dave White	Posted - 2006.06.09 21:08:00 - [49] Same happend to me. ''Ohsineral'' sent me advertisement of isk sale...
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.06.09 21:24:00 - [50] GM's are doing a great job though. When I petitioned I had a response within 30 seconds. --------
Arcsine	Posted - 2006.06.09 21:38:00 - [51] Edited by: Arcsine on 09/06/2006 21:43:46 As much as I benefited from the "buddy program," I think it is time for it to go. I humbly ask CCP to just do away with it. I don't need real life creeping in on my play life. What a crock of poo! I petitioned. The bums even state: "gamexxxx is currently located in Nanjing, China Thank you and Enjoy the great convenience of gamexxxx.com" Man, I'm really
Traellium	Posted - 2006.06.09 22:09:00 - [52] Having just subscribed to Eve today after playing the trial, I think the trial works as intended. Its intended to attract an audience, and have them stay. Not all new people are farmers. When people post they aren't happy with older players who grief newer ones, many people posted to "live with it". This is true, and so is living with farmers. I don't care much for either the farmers nor the griefers, but I think its rude to blame all new people for all issues. Don't like griefing? Suck it up. Don't like farmers? Must be the new people. Oh yeah, plus it doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, how many farmers can make a living on newbie accounts? All they use them for is the email harassement and not the actual farming. Even with no trial accounts, you would still have your 25 high end farmers. All they lose is the ability to promote via email. In my very recent experience, all I can say is that if you charge a significant amount per email sent, only the true new players would be hurt since anyone selling you 10million ISK would find the email cost trivial. On the other hand, if I was only to receive email during the trial and not send it, that would have been fine. I could still use chat channels to talk to friends, the email would still work to get notices from agents. The current trial system seems to be attracting people who end up playing, and frankly I wouldn't have tried Eve without it. Unless Eve is "full", its probably still one of the more powerful ways to promote the product. Tamper with that, and the farmers truly win.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.09 22:13:00 - [53] We do NOT need to drastically nerf trials or remove them entirely. That would just hurt the game. My solution to this is to limit trial accounts to 2evemails/hour. No real trial players are going to hit this limit, and if they do, its only an inconvience. On the other hand, it screws spammers over completely.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.09 22:16:00 - [54] Originally by: HippoKing We do NOT need to drastically nerf trials or remove them entirely. That would just hurt the game. My solution to this is to limit trial accounts to 2evemails/hour. No real trial players are going to hit this limit, and if they do, its only an inconvience. On the other hand, it screws spammers over completely. Agreed. If any changes are made, make it a limit, not removing it altogether. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.09 22:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Jor Azmeh Edited by: Jor Azmeh on 09/06/2006 14:46:22 Originally by: HippoKing I've updated the post. I'm not saying that there aren't Chinese farmers involved: there most definitely are a lot of them, but banning them will not fix the problem, it will just **** over real chinese players (and there are quite a lot of those), those running the selling operations (mostly western. They might not being sitting there mining, but the money is going to them in the end) will get off happily, and set up sweatshops elsewhere they can get the labour (Balkan states?) that is a possibility. I dont see how it'd upset Chinese players, so what I understand (and it's not much, admittedly) China is very restricted on who can go online and where.. but they have thier own cluster now. A cluster we can't use....it's petty, but they can access both and we only have access to the spammed one? Lets say you're from Germany. Lets say you've accumulated 15 billion ISK in your time in EVE. You've played 2 and a half years, and you're an established member of a major alliance. One day CCP goes to you and says "we're making a new cluster for Germany. You won't be able to play on TQ anymore." And a bunch of people say "Well I don't see how it would upset German players..." as you complain about your lost 30 million skillpoints and 15 billion ISK. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Traellium	Posted - 2006.06.09 22:28:00 - [56] I am confused though. This is a PvP game, is it not? In EQ the farmers were all over the place, and a menace to players because they were very agressive about getting every spawn. One of the common responses was "Ooooo if we could only be PvP for a few minutes ...". So, why don't people get together in Eve and beat the stuffing out of the farmers? Surely a continuous stream of losses would make farming unprofitable in this game? I always assumed it farming would be much less of an issue here than on a game like EQ, where you can't attack a farmer. Instead of banning the accounts, maybe they should just be flagged as "farmers" (instead of Pirates), and let PvP take its path.
Lygos	Posted - 2006.06.10 00:10:00 - [57] Reason #47 to get rid of or substitute local.
Retromash	Posted - 2006.06.10 01:24:00 - [58] Easy fix to the Eve-mail spam by Trial Accounts: Do not allow the Trial Accounts to send Eve-mail. Yea, I know. It won't stop the farmers. But it'll stop the mail, until they find a way around it, and they WILL find a way. Business is Business. Gotta give them credit for persistence. PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month. http://members.cox.net/retromash/retromash.gif [orange]signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signatur
mazzilliu	Posted - 2006.06.10 01:28:00 - [59] ive got several people to come to eve via trial account, and they use evemail a lot to ask me for help or this or that. better solution- RAISE DEFAULT CSPA CHARGE. 100 isk per transmission is less then a pittance, and doesnt even affect mass mailers. 20k or 50k isk on the other hand, when considering that maybe a thousand characters are evemailed..... ---------
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.06.10 04:53:00 - [60] Edited by: Saeris Tal''Urduar on 10/06/2006 04:53:12 Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: Lori Carlyle Edited by: Lori Carlyle on 09/06/2006 13:21:16 Just get them to add Credit Card details the you making a trial account, Dont' take any cash from it through. Sorted. Better idea: Put in the EULA that if they violate Isk selling rules, even on a trial account, that CCP is authorized to charge a full account fee, AND ban the account. Now that would be a kick to the nuts for isk sellers. Very good idea, hurt their wallets.

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