This happens every expansion cycle. Supply and demand baby!!!

its more along the lines of having to grind for 5-10 hours for a plex

HOLY COW you can make 500 mill isk in 5-10 hours. Man how boring must the game be for you.

Incursions are the Care Bear wet dream come true.

I can run incursions, gate camp with a 0.0 corp, and use my market trader all at the same time.

You can make a lot more isk in 5-10 hours then you'd think.

Because $15 is such an onerous burden?

I would have to be unemployed to achive that dude. or overly commit my out of work time to EVE, a some thing I find very unattractive.

^^ Exactly my question.

What are you a peasant? Pay for the game and you don't have to waste time buying plex. If 15 dollars crosses your principles (lol, cough, poverty!) then gtfo and play something else, but i can't say you'll be missed.

Why should anybody respond to you, they've already told you that 500 million is a trivial amount to make, it takes at most 10 hours a month to earn that much (Highsec incursions bring in about 100 mil an hour).


You've chosen to scoff at that and call the people telling you that dicks.


So, to answer your question, quit, please, *******, nobody cares if you spend the 10 hours a month it takes to earn well more than enough to afford a plex, even if they were to spiral up to 1 bil a month, its easily achievable.

Your talking out of your ass dude and you know it.

well we will see how things pan out wont we but alass I wont be around to say "I told you so" unless CCP steps in and brings the price of PLEX down to around 300 mill. So crack on you eve junkies long may your lum reek

I would have to be unemployed to achive that dude. or overly commit my out of work time to EVE, a some thing I find very unattractive.

Wait, are you really so stupid as to not know that High Sec Incursions make 100 milion an hour?

Shall I repeat my self.

Your talking out of your ass dude and you know it.

I'll wait right here while you work out how to word your apology.

Oh really?



Stupid

Oh ya I was born full of all the knowlage i will ever need in life and in all matters eve related you stupid boy. So you are suggesting that I commit 1 hour a day to doing incursions to make 100 mill isk and repeat that for 5 days to obtain a plex. HOLY COW why oh why are the other 49,999 players logged on to eve not doing this. OMG it s so simple. no wait al of us must be morons for not doing it.

Truly what is making me laugh here is your ability to make your self look like a compleat fool all by your self with out any help from any one.

Shall I repeat my self.

Your talking out of your ass dude and you know it.

I am talking to other players in my systems local chat about you and your isk making prediction and many of them agree with me your spouting total bollox dude. Think about what you are claiming here if it was true why bother with any other part of the game why don't every one just do incurssions.

You can make 100m an hour doing Incursions. The reason everyone doesn't do them is because not everyone plays this game to make money or even needs more money than they already have...

LOL so now 5-10 hours a day has become an acceptable bench mark for making 500 million isk for all eve players FFS get real.

This plex thing could finish eve stop being dickheads and face up to it as being a possability and stop being dicks about it

Really you people live in your bubbles and no one or nothing will ever distract you from your own personal reality will it, man I truly pitty people like you.

Plex could have a very detromental effect on eve and should that be the case we are racing towards it at full steam ahead.

Well there is no other option I must now join an incursion running corp and commit at least 1 hour a day to said incursions so I may continue to feed the greed of the people who buy plex from CCP. I am sure that wont get boring at all.

But I must hope that not every one joins me in doing the incursions as they will become over crowded and fail to produce the much needed isk.

For pitty sake there are some eve players who no longer have the ability to see out side the game so blinkerd are they by the flashing lights.

in summery forget production, forget mission running, forget mining, forget trading.forget 0.0 ratting, the only real way to make fat stacks of isk is incurssion.

Has it truly come to this.......has the all mighty plex driven us to this?

But in the real world making 500 mill isk in 5 hours would make this game very boring indeed it would suck the life right out of it surly. I have to question why you still play if the game is so easy for you?

Just admit your a Cheap a$$ and you just love to complain. I bet you claim to be one of the 99%

Well there is no other option I must now join an incursion running corp and commit at least 1 hour a day to said incursions so I may continue to feed the greed of the people who buy plex from CCP. I am sure that wont get boring at all.

But I must hope that not every one joins me in doing the incursions as they will become over crowded and fail to produce the much needed isk.

For pitty sake there are some eve players who no longer have the ability to see out side the game so blinkerd are they by the flashing lights.

in summery forget production, forget mission running, forget mining, forget trading.forget 0.0 ratting, the only real way to make fat stacks of isk is incurssion.

Has it truly come to this.......has the all mighty plex driven us to this?

But in the real world making 500 mill isk in 5 hours would make this game very boring indeed it would suck the life right out of it surly.

But I must hope that not every one joins me in doing the incursions as they will become over crowded and fail to produce the much needed isk.

No one could ever accuse you of reading the whole thread now can they.

Stuff

But in the real world making 500 mill isk in 5 hours would make this game very boring indeed it would suck the life right out of it surly. I have to question why you still play if the game is so easy for you?

I don't think you understand how incursions work.


They have a minimum/maximum amount of people per group, every person gets paid the same amount, as long as your in the plex or at the gate when its done.

There are some other details but the short of it is that its really hard to get overcrowded.


There are other ways as well, like wormholes, solo work in a wormhole can make you a ton of cash, 60m + an hour, and going up steeply as you look into group activities in wormholes.

I bought my first Nyx from a wormhole that we ran as a corp, it generated 70 billion over 3 months for the members inside it (about 14 of us).

And no, making money doesn't make the game boring, it allows you to instead explore all the other things the game has to offer since you are set for cash.

I find paying any money to be this bored in a game untenable, I am talking about the casual player here these are usualy the old long term players who have been there and done it.

.So to make the isk to buy the plex in the same amount of time. I must now deal with people like you. to be brutaly honest, I moved to the side lines because of people like you.

Yea, mean, evil me, teaching you easy ways to spend little to no time or solo, to make hundreds of millions of isk and play for free.


Sounds like a did the game a favor, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Yep as I said it was having to deal with people like you that drove me and many like me to the side lines. Sadly eve is full of people like you it just stops being fun when you have to deal with jerks with no life who spend 18 hours a day playing the game, who think they must impose their will upon you as you must be a lesser person than them because you are less commited to the game.

Sheesh get over your self. I'l make a trial account in 90 days time to see the state of play with eve. Player numbers are slowly falling now, we'll see who is right in 90 days time.

Yep as I said it was having to deal with people like you that drove me and many like me to the side lines. Sadly eve is full of people like you it just stops being fun when you have to deal with jerks with no life who spend 18 hours a day playing the game, who think they must impose their will upon you as you must be a lesser person than them because you are less commited to the game.

Sheesh get over your self. I'l make a trial account in 90 days time to see the state of play with eve. Player numbers are slowly falling now, we'll see who is right in 90 days time.

well we will see how things pan out wont we but alass I wont be around to say "I told you so" unless CCP steps in and brings the price of PLEX down to around 300 mill. So crack on you eve junkies long may your lum reek

I would have to be unemployed to achive that dude. or overly commit my out of work time to EVE, a some thing I find very unattractive.

I would have to be unemployed to achive that dude. or overly commit my out of work time to EVE, a some thing I find very unattractive.

No one could ever accuse you of reading the whole thread now can they.

This happens every expansion cycle. Supply and demand baby!!!

I find paying any money to be this bored in a game untenable, I am talking about the casual player here these are usualy the old long term players who have been there and done it.

The guys who pay the $15 are usualy the young excitable types new to the game or dare i say it the EVE junkies who simple can not live with out their EVE fix.

I know my chars age says it is young but I have had many rebirths in eve and been playing since Sept 06, the appel for me is in the building of a char.

I sense that my presence is required in this thread.

:O What do you do mister?

the cost of a plex in ISK has gone up 41 million isk in the last 6 days and is now topping a masive 500 mill isk on the markets.

I personal think this is now out of reach for many of the casual players currently playing eve and will ultimatly drive them away, I speak as one my self.

Playing for free was for me the last realistic draw for playing EVE.

What has the real cost of PLEX been for the game as a whole. Is it a good thing turned bad by sheer greed as with so many other things in the game.

I personal think that in 90 days time the eve population will fall drasticly. Sadly I don't think I will be around to see if I am right or not. Paying real money to be this bored is not really that apeeling to me.

Oh ya I was born full of all the knowlage i will ever need in life and in all matters eve related you stupid boy. So you are suggesting that I commit 1 hour a day to doing incursions to make 100 mill isk and repeat that for 5 days to obtain a plex. HOLY COW why oh why are the other 49,999 players logged on to eve not doing this. OMG it s so simple. no wait al of us must be morons for not doing it.

Truly what is making me laugh here is your ability to make your self look like a compleat fool all by your self with out any help from any one.

Shall I repeat my self.

Your talking out of your ass dude and you know it.

If eve is such a brilliant game why arnt there 5 million players on 23/7 just a game.

Explain to me how CCP is going to step in and bring the price of plex down? If CCP starts to manipulate the market they have ruined their sandbox. There should be no intervention from CCP.

I am one of the few that is driving the price of plex up. I saw that the prices were rising dropped about 12 bil into plex at 340mil and have been slowly selling them off as the price goes up. I figure by the time I am done I will be up between 6-8 bil on top of my initial investment.

well we will see how things pan out wont we but alass I wont be around to say "I told you so" unless CCP steps in and brings the price of PLEX down to around 300 mill. So crack on you eve junkies long may your lum reek

Give it enough time and even you total eve junkies will get bored with the game. Come speak to me in a few years, if not seek help as your not a normal humanbeing.

Ok I have done some reserch into Incursions. The magic word being over looked here is COULD.

In you COULD earn 100 mill isk an hour doing incursions, so ya you could end us extreamly isk rich or you could end up with nothing or worst lost a lot of isk in lost ships.

Setting up an incursion crew takes a lot of organising and could result in a loss.

So yes it is true to say you could earn 100 mill isk an hour doing incursions, the same can be said you could earn a $1,000,000 on the stock market.

So lers stop all this blowing smoke up each others arse shall we.

Paying real money to be this bored is not really that apeeling to me.

Dude, you can make 500mil in like a week, stop complaining and deal with or desub so we don't have to listen to your whines.

LOL why am I bothering really it is the same old same old any post that could have CCP sitting up and taking note gets whittled down to name calling and emoisam

OK i give up you have brow beaten me into submission I'll let this thread drift off into the land of ignorance and bewilderment.

in conclution all I can say is there seems to be a lot of weak willed people playing eve, I am very glad I do not count my self in with them. I literaly feel that in doing and saying the things that I have I have proven my self not to be a compleat eve junkie as to those who have blindly defended their eve habbit I say this I truly feel sorry for you.

Dude you can make $15 in an hour in real life the point is how you chose to use it

to make isk = personal commitment in time

the point here is I don't wish to commit more time to a game I allready find boring but still find usfull as a distraction when these is nothing on TV

OK i give up you have brow beaten me into submission I'll let this thread drift off into the land of ignorance and bewilderment.

in conclution all I can say is there seems to be a lot of weak willed people playing eve, I am very glad I do not count my self in with them. I literaly feel that in doing and saying the things that I have I have proven my self not to be a compleat eve junkie as to those who have blindly defended their eve habbit I say this I truly feel sorry for you.

Incursions are the Care Bear wet dream come true.

I can run incursions, gate camp with a 0.0 corp, and use my market trader all at the same time.

You can make a lot more isk in 5-10 hours then you'd think.

Probably part of the problem, the easier it is to get isk for plex the more isk people are willing to spend on it.

I1 hour to make 500 mil if you can't do that you playing the game wrong.

Ok I have done some reserch into Incursions. The magic word being over looked here is COULD.

In you COULD earn 100 mill isk an hour doing incursions, so ya you could end us extreamly isk rich or you could end up with nothing or worst lost a lot of isk in lost ships.

Setting up an incursion crew takes a lot of organising and could result in a loss.

So yes it is true to say you could earn 100 mill isk an hour doing incursions, the same can be said you could earn a $1,000,000 on the stock market.

So lers stop all this blowing smoke up each others arse shall we.

attention wh0ring is all the rage. why quit when you aren't enjoying a game when you can just complain and get attention?

to make isk = personal commitment in time

the cost of a plex in ISK has gone up 41 million isk in the last 6 days and is now topping a masive 500 mill isk on the markets.

I personal think this is now out of reach for many of the casual players currently playing eve and will ultimatly drive them away, I speak as one my self.

Playing for free was for me the last realistic draw for playing EVE.

What has the real cost of PLEX been for the game as a whole. Is it a good thing turned bad by sheer greed as with so many other things in the game.

I personal think that in 90 days time the eve population will fall drasticly. Sadly I don't think I will be around to see if I am right or not. Paying real money to be this bored is not really that apeeling to me.

I would have to be unemployed to achive that dude. or overly commit my out of work time to EVE, a some thing I find very unattractive.

well we will see how things pan out wont we but alass I wont be around to say "I told you so" unless CCP steps in and brings the price of PLEX down to around 300 mill. So crack on you eve junkies long may your lum reek

Because $15 is such an onerous burden?

Played since 2004? 7 yrs * 12 mon/yr * $12/mon (subscription price) = $1008. Double for 2 accounts (which is needed by many activities in Eve) = $2016.

Alternately, the small scale "did I get 50 cents worth out of Eve today?" (Did I even play it, probably not... BTW you can station spin on trial accounts...)

ok this should be a give but if it really needs to be said.

CCP makes real money from selling plax to those weak willed individuals dumb enough to buy them.

Plex becomes so isk expensive less are willing to buy them from the in game market, some like me feel it is no longer worth the effort and quit the game.

CCP are now faced with two things player loss and falling plex sales, both things having an effect on CCP's proffits.

Will CCP step in and do some thing about it you can bet your ass they will.

Ok I hope this makes your life a happier one.

Please explain to me how CCP will step in with the cost of plex? If they put a hard cap on the max sell price they have just ruined they open market, and players will revolt.

If they magically make a pile of plex from thin air they are losing money, and players will revolt because they droped the value their plex by making new ones.

CCP will no do anything with the price of plex. There is no way they can do anything without ruining part of their game.

Please come up with a sensible solution that makes sense on how CCP can step in without damaging their game. Remember the Gold scorpion that was supposed to cost arum? This was supposedly going to just cost arum and be created from nothing. The Scorpion builders got angry and the players were pissed off that an item was being created from nothing. Now plex does not get created in game but it does get created from something.

This market is run on supply and demand. If there is a supply and players are willing on paying a certain price for a plex then there is a demand.

If the price gets to high eventually there will be less demand and the prices will drop again.

I am glad that the high prices of plex **** people off. Makes me happy that I am helping drive the prices up and my wallet balance up.

Please explain to me how CCP will step in with the cost of plex? If they put a hard cap on the max sell price they have just ruined they open market, and players will revolt.

If they magically make a pile of plex from thin air they are losing money, and players will revolt because they droped the value their plex by making new ones.

CCP will no do anything with the price of plex. There is no way they can do anything without ruining part of their game.
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It's really very simple: the market is always right, and CCP doesn't get involved at all in the PLEX market

They can create (and have done so) incentives for people to buy more PLEX and sell them on the market.

Seriously? The Nex store, simply to boost plex price, all the 'plex for good' as well as countless other things.

No CCP do not directly alter plex price, but you can be sure they try their best to manipulate it.

blah blah blah blah blah :angryemoticon: blah could! blah blah

the cost of a plex in ISK has gone up 41 million isk in the last 6 days and is now topping a masive 500 mill isk on the markets.

I personal think this is now out of reach for many of the casual players currently playing eve and will ultimatly drive them away, I speak as one my self.

Playing for free was for me the last realistic draw for playing EVE.

What has the real cost of PLEX been for the game as a whole. Is it a good thing turned bad by sheer greed as with so many other things in the game.

I personal think that in 90 days time the eve population will fall drasticly. Sadly I don't think I will be around to see if I am right or not. Paying real money to be this bored is not really that apeeling to me.

(if CCP *are* influencing the price they will have to be very careful because of a backlash and or possible illegality. If, in the extremely unlikely event they thought it was a good idea, they could of course have people buying PLEX with freshly minted virtual ISK - a sort of quantitive easing which would increase PLEX demand and increase the money supply. I cannot imagine for one second a company like CCP would ever do this - it would be to great a risk to their ongoing existance )

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things. Look at your monthly cable or satellite TV bill sometime, or the bill from your ISP. If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

You attribute that motive to those actions by CCP, they certainly have not.

The nex store isn't here to boost plex prices. Why would it? It's there to earn CCP cash. They use plex as a medium because that is the way they choose to set it up. As far back as 2005-2006 CCP already was playing with the idea to set up an intermediate currency (they called it "tokens" in the design phase) in order to further structurise the RMT processes supported by CCP.

MT's aren't new to CCP either, they've always been there in the long term design plans for EVE. allowing GTC for isk transactions were step one, then came actively supporting and policing them, and finally an intermediate currency was introduced, at least two years after they first internaly formulated the plan to do so. The NEX store fas subsequent step was there in concept even before Plex came into being.

Do not make the mistake of seeing all CCP's actions in light of your pet theory/peeve.People here tend to credit CCP with too much subtlety. CCP hasn't been subtle about RMT in any way other then by pacing their progress towards a long term development goal.

CCP will not manipulate plex prices, since there's no need to. Their bottom line doesn't depend on plex price, it depends on the willingness of their subscriber base to use that medium. Price has very little to do with that.

And anyway, current price levels are nothing special. The current cost of gametime in terms of isk is still relatively low compared to historic price levels.

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They could do this, but depending on the price of plex it could do nothing. The players who bought the plex at the promotion price could just as easily turn around and sell them for the same price as the market is at.

The increase of supply does not automatically decrease the demand and cost.

5 years ago 30 day GTCs were 130m. When they went up to 150-170m, people were heralding the "end of EVE".

PLEXes on release caused game time cost to increase by a large amount, and also the "end of EVE" was called. This was 2 years ago.

1-2 years from now when PLEX cost 1b each you'll see the same ****.

Probably, but again, PLEX prices have already started declining steadily.

Dude you can make $15 in an hour in real life the point is how you chose to use it

The point of this thread keeps getting high jacked by the eve junkies.

to make isk = personal commitment in time

the point here is I don't wish to commit more time to a game I allready find boring but still find usfull as a distraction when these is nothing on TV

LOL why am I bothering really it is the same old same old any post that could have CCP sitting up and taking note gets whittled down to name calling and emoisam

OK i give up you have brow beaten me into submission I'll let this thread drift off into the land of ignorance and bewilderment.

in conclution all I can say is there seems to be a lot of weak willed people playing eve, I am very glad I do not count my self in with them. I literaly feel that in doing and saying the things that I have I have proven my self not to be a compleat eve junkie as to those who have blindly defended their eve habbit I say this I truly feel sorry for you.