*points to all those windows on his ship*

Pretty sure that's and indication that there's a crew....

Honestly, what's wrong with having crew?

Would make the game much more fun to actually have to assemble a crew with talents in things like:

Gunnery
Navigation
Engineering

If anyone played the old browser game "Space Pirates" you understand what I'm getting at.

If not.

Basically, SP had crew you could hire that would affect your ship above it's base traits. You also had Morale and if it went to low...ya..they mutiny :P


Also, the whole "pod pilot" thing is really stupid. Look at the ships...you can CLEARLY make out sections that would be the "Bridge". Why have a bridge? It says in the Tutorial that our "outside view" is from chase camera drones...

Hopefully, with this WiS, they'll revamp some of the lore surrounding how we control these massive ships.

Ooooh, ya...I so want to be able to launch boarding parties and boot people out of their ships; provided they lose the Boarding Fight


BTW: The human brain is simply not capable; nor will it EVER be capable (unless its size grows) to control a ship the size of anything larger than a Frigate. And if you use the "Well we have super computers running all that other stuff". Then my response is:

WHY THE HELL ARE WE EVEN IN THE SHIPS

They are obviously, then, capable of running completely on their own with only us issuing orders for the A.I. to process.

The "i'm the only one on the ship" is one of the major cons this game has for me.


-anyways, that's my take on it.

heeyeyyy CCCPPPS
I DONT LIKE CREWS
THEY MAKE MY RP HURTTT
My BUtt HURTS

REMOVE creweS From EVE cauSE I sSay SO

SCNIRCERELY, the OP.

To hit on a few points you brought up, the reason there are so many windows and a visable bridge on all eve ships is because, all the sips where designed first and formost for none capsilier use. they where then converted after their original design for our use.

are you sure those are windows?

Those are not windows they are sensor panels but they double up as a 'view' prot to a video screen correlated on the inside.

All ships in eve are built for non capsullers just the more recent ones are built with the capabilities in the first place instead of retrofitted. Every capsuller in the eve universe is represented by the players exception to the few named NPC ones that you cant seem to kill pernamently and are tougher than normal rats.

Capsuleer technology basically removes deparment heads and chain of commands which on real ships is a massive portion of its crew. So the only crew you have left are 'grunts' and 'expert grunts.'

Though automation technologies the pod does bring this doubles back into non capsulleer ships as well and those ships arent crewless ception to the infested ones.

Also somone has got to man the nanite pumps and tell each and every single pump what exactly they're fixing instead of slapping in glass stucturing isntead of a power conduit. The nanites in eve are pertty stupid in comparison to some of the VIs/AIs

As for all those saying they want to command the ship though a bridge needs to sit down and rethink thier posture.

When you pod jack into a ship, you become the ship. Every bit of damage the ship receives registers as pain. Warp induces a euphoria, you can potentially get motion sick from breakneck manuvers and your semi sub concious thoughts are transmitted to the crew, afterall you are thier master after god.

Luckily your training from concord on the behalf of your empire sponsorship gets you used to the idea of being the ship.

***For the piracy to pay for itself, the pirates are going to need to run many successful operations for every one the players blow up, so this doesn't help much. A quick estimate suggests I destroyed something in the region of 3.2 billion isk (...and was paid the princely sum of 24 million... I think I want a raise); how many ships do the Serp need to have out there to make that profitable? (And then- how large does the NPC economy have to be that the pirates can leech this much out of them easily and without crippling them? )

BTW: The human brain is simply not capable; nor will it EVER be capable (unless its size grows) to control a ship the size of anything larger than a Frigate

To OP's question :

Because there will never be Brains without the Brawn's.

[quote=Toshiroma McDiesel]To OP's question :

Because there will never be Brains without the Brawn's.

Who is the DEV who first floated the idea that our ships are crewed?

it makes no sense
every facet of our ship's operations is governed by our skills, not the crew's skills
the podster operates all the weapons, support and defensive systems

lets imagine for a moment that you are a lowly yeoman on a calradi BC and you need to so see the captain about something

do you go to a little room with a pod in the center of it and talk to a speaker in a console?
is it like John Carpenter's Dark Star where we open a little hatch and talk to the frozen body of our captain?

do you see that this makes no sense?
if theres dozens if not hundreds of people running around my ship like its some kind of office building, then why am I sitting in a bucket of goo isolated from, but lording over them like some sort of clone Svengali

really, how was it decided that ships have crews?

I think this is the single most immersion-breaking element missing between the lore and actual game mechanics.

1) according to lore, ships have crews

2) gameplay does include any interaction with these crews

In my opinion it would add some spice to have crew as mandatory ship element, to be treated like race-specific fuel. You would need to "hire" (buy from the market) a certain amount of crew capable of doing crew stuffs on your ship (Gallente crew for Gallente ships). These would be seeded by NPC corporations in their space, meaning that availability of crew is dependent on the part of Empire you are. Of course you could buy crew just for sales in other regions.

In addition to market price, hiring crew (loading them in your ship) would incur Employment costs, which would depend on your standings toward the original supplier, and your security status. So in low sec, people with neg status and better standings toward pirate corps would pay less Employment costs for local crews, and in hisec the other way around. Maybe some crew would not even board your ship.

Crew would blow up with your ship, adding crew deaths and mechanics to combat is probably not realistic resource-wise.

Better immersion, an ISK sink, new trade item and not much FiS resource overhead?

This thread got me thinking about crew. Apparently I have thousands upon thousands of crewmembers in probably a hundred ships who have not even undocked in a year. Some of them are sitting in systems I have not even visited in years. What am I paying these people for? Actually, I don't seem to be paying them - how do they support themselves? Meanwhile, the poor crew in a select few ships never get a break.

Hey, I've got 30 Exotic Dancers sitting in a hanger in Mormoen. ...as well as 20 Homeless, 40 Janitors, 10 Marines, 90 Militants and 10 Tourists.

What the hell have they been up to in there for the past four years?

Brainships ftw :)

I always thought the Brainship series explained the whole human hooked up into ship and crew interaction very well. I sooo love the ship who searched, must have read it 10 times by now.

I demand that when I turn on my armor repairer a bunch of dudes in space suits dragging hoses come out of hatches on my ship and start spraying space concrete onto the damaged bits.

Also damage control modules are just a bunch of guys with fire extinguishers.

Now that's a ship repair animation I want to see!

At least on Minnie ships anyway.

I think this is the single most immersion-breaking element missing between the lore and actual game mechanics.

1) according to lore, ships have crews

2) gameplay does include any interaction with these crews

In my opinion it would add some spice to have crew as mandatory ship element, to be treated like race-specific fuel. You would need to "hire" (buy from the market) a certain amount of crew capable of doing crew stuffs on your ship (Gallente crew for Gallente ships). These would be seeded by NPC corporations in their space, meaning that availability of crew is dependent on the part of Empire you are. Of course you could buy crew just for sales in other regions.

In addition to market price, hiring crew (loading them in your ship) would incur Employment costs, which would depend on your standings toward the original supplier, and your security status. So in low sec, people with neg status and better standings toward pirate corps would pay less Employment costs for local crews, and in hisec the other way around. Maybe some crew would not even board your ship.

Crew would blow up with your ship, adding crew deaths and mechanics to combat is probably not realistic resource-wise.

Better immersion, an ISK sink, new trade item and not much FiS resource overhead?