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Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:00:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:
And what if CCP aren't releasing rebalanced ships for another 6 months? do u still need to know today what the next ship will be?
What you seem to not get is that NOTHING in this forum should be called a need, its all what diffrent players want or dont want. As it happens we want to know whats next for rebalance, and we have every right to ask for it. Its atleast as much our right to ask as it is your right to dissagee
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1713
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:17:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:What you seem to not get is that NOTHING in this forum should be called a need, its all what diffrent players want or dont want. As it happens we want to know whats next for rebalance, and we have every right to ask for it. Its atleast as much our right to ask as it is your right to dissagee
from now on, all references to 'a need' are directed at Nevyn's words, not urs. If u feel like ive been infringing ur rights or just flat out dont recognise them, ur quite silly. Putting aside the fact that posting on the forums is a privilege in itself...
Not only can i disagree, but i can express my non-understanding for this thread and that u think asking like this will accomplish anything. And when i think ur exhibiting inclinations of entitlement and impatience and then trying to disguise them as fears that are actually irrational, i'll point it out to u. Ill even make suggestions that u clearly havent considered as to why there has been no word from CCP, like that there may not even be a ship rebalance for Crius or even the expansion after, and that CCP may not have even yet decided whats next to be rebalanced.
Subject to forum rules of course. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2248
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:11:00 -
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CCP Rise is waiting for just after the Crius release to unveil his plan for Repeating Rapid Llama Launchers. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3167
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:54:00 -
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kil2 will tell you what gets nerfed next after the cartel reps tell him. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1383
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Posted - 2014.06.23 04:47:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote: Your concerns are still unfounded.
And what if CCP aren't releasing rebalanced ships for another 6 months? do u still need to know today what the next ship will be?
No, my concerns aren't unfounded. If they aren't releasing any rebalanced ships next update, not a problem. But then what are they releasing and why are they not starting to collect feedback on it.
Yes they can push any particular project back with the new release system, but they can't just casually push back an entire release because it's empty.
So where is the feedback. There must be something in the pipeline for the next update. And whatever that something is, why is there no feedback on it being collected, when it's in the zone now for feedback to be collected in order for it to be relevant. Without that feedback on whatever it is (Why are you obsessing over ships, trying to sideline the argument into a balance fight?) my fears are entirely valid that player feedback will not have as significant a place if at all in their new system. |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
4283
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:14:00 -
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I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work). @ccp_rise |
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
333
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:17:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon? Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:17:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work).
love you
And with that i think mr negativity have been proven wrong, if players ask enough someone will reply |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
402
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:26:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements. Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon?
What is wrong with the armageddon? |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
423
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:37:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements. Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon? What is wrong with the armageddon?
I second that question. Armageddon is working fine.
Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
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Conjaq
Cause For Concern Easily Excited
9
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:37:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work).
I can't wait for your black ops balance passes :)
Also; enjoy the vacation! |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1717
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:39:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work). love you And with that i think mr negativity have been proven wrong, if players ask enough someone will reply
CCP troll me all the time. See freighters with fittings...
bolded: can of worms opened EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
333
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:47:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements. Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon? What is wrong with the armageddon?
Where do I begin?
No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems.
Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here.
"Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!"
No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses.
Drop 2 turrets and reduce the launchers to 2 (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m-¦, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job.
Send your hate mail to the usual address. Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
719
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:51:00 -
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when is the T3 nerf |
Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
112
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:19:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Icarus Able wrote:Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements. Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon? What is wrong with the armageddon? Where do I begin? No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems. Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here. "Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!" No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses. Drop 2 turrets and reduce the launchers to 2 (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m-¦, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job. Send your hate mail to the usual address.
There's this thing called the armageddon navy issue that sounds just like that o.O
Armageddon is a great ship at the moment, a real threat in a fight. I think that you just want a cheap PvE ship from it and refuse to accept it's awesomeness. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1717
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:29:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:
No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses.
Buy an abaddon?
Geddons great EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1240
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:44:00 -
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I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people.
Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is.
The Geddon is fine IMO. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
599
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:54:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Icarus Able wrote:Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements. Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon? What is wrong with the armageddon? Where do I begin? No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems. Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here. "Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!" No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses. Drop 2 turrets and reduce the launchers to 2 (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m-¦, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job. Send your hate mail to the usual address.
No bonus to primary weapons system? Excuse me? Drones are the primary weapon system of the Armageddons.
And as a Neut-CruiseMissile-Sentry boat, the Armageddon performs outstandingly in fleets. |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
333
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Posted - 2014.06.23 12:54:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people. Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is. The Geddon is fine IMO.
5 turrets 2 launchers :P I'm so used to the Army have 7 turrets is that my math failed Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
elitatwo
Congregatio
241
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:21:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Gypsio III wrote:I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people. Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is. The Geddon is fine IMO. 5 turrets 2 launchers :P I'm so used to the Army have 7 turrets is that my math failed
In addition to that you also failed to mention that the Armageddon makes 2 out of four Marauder class ships and a lot of capital ships have a really bad day. signature |
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Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
323
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:30:00 -
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Yay for soon to be functional pilgrims! \o/ Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Thorado
Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
4
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:40:00 -
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Make the Black Ops BS's real guerrilla warfare boats with specific bonuses to match. |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
403
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:02:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Icarus Able wrote:Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements. Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon? What is wrong with the armageddon? Where do I begin? No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems. Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here. "Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!" No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses. Drop 2 turrets and reduce the launchers to 2 (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m-¦, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job. Send your hate mail to the usual address.
So you want another Apoc or Abaddon and have remove an incredibly powerful/interesting ship from PvP. Bugger off. Recon ships? Ok how about you take that curse and try and neut out multiple Battleships or a Dread or Carrier with it.
If you wanna use lazors grab the Armageddon Navy issue stop trying to make all ships the same. |
Alundil
Rolled Out
566
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:05:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Gypsio III wrote:I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people. Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is. The Geddon is fine IMO. 5 turrets 2 launchers :P I'm so used to the Army have 7 turrets is that my math failed Your army math, notwithstanding, the Geddon as currently configured is actually quite a useful setup and a very versatile hull. It's strength is, tbqh, NOT being limited to "Oh look another laser boat, just cap it out and kill/ignore".
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3169
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:50:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work).
So, after nerfing drones out of existence for PvE players because of the PvP use of the OP Domi's and Ishtar's that YOU designed, now you will go back and nerf them into something closer to the other ships in their respective classes.
Naturally, you won't be undoing the nerfs to drones that were driven by these 2 ships in the first place. Brilliant, just brilliant. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Natasha Rachmaninova
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
8
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:11:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work).
I dont pay you for not working at any kind of summer... |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1895
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:11:00 -
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Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements. Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon?
hmm how about double range for nuets?
so a 20% bonus to range.
or in other words heavy neuts that go out to 52 km?
that and give it a drone bandwidth of 150 mb
that way it could use three gekko drones... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad. |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
324
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:14:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.
Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work). So, after nerfing drones out of existence for PvE players because of the PvP use of the OP Domi's and Ishtar's that YOU designed, now you will go back and nerf them into something closer to the other ships in their respective classes. Naturally, you won't be undoing the nerfs to drones that were driven by these 2 ships in the first place. Brilliant, just brilliant.
Way to jump to conclusions there, bud....
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the only way to balance Ishtars and Domis was to start with rebalancing drones and then moving to the ships, since drones needed to be completely reworked across the board anyways?
Nothing was ever mentioned about a nerf to any particular ship or their respective weapons systems. No one said that ships preferred for mission running weren't going to get relevant boosts. But since you insist on being a victim I might as well rub some salt in.
It was getting really boring only using less than 15% of the drones available just because doing anything else meant dying in a rather embarrassing fashion or taking hours longer to do your PvE content. You're welcome to continue on your min-maxing circle-jerk with like-minded mission runners, but drones needed to be brought into line with other weapons systems for a very long time, and if they weren't going to get fixed they needed to be removed.
The rest of us voted for variety in our gameplay, and it's happening. If change bothers you that much please go infatuate yourself with a game that doesn't get regular updates, because that is the only way you'll avoid future disappointments. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
837
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:06:00 -
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T3's and recons for crius please!!!!!! Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
331
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:10:00 -
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Rise needs a cute intern to keep him focused on the job, so that we can get this ball rolling. I want to see what's in store for T3's sometime this year. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
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