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Dhaq Anonymous Posters 8	Posted - 2014.06.30 18:49:00 - [1] - Quote There's a pretty good discussion thread going on about why null does or doesn't interest them. So I'd like to start up one on the reasons you have for living, or not living, in W-space. For me is the more dynamic nature of life there. Changing connections, no local, no stations. For me it just gives EVE a much different feeling, where High/Low/Null all feel stagnate and dull.
Anslo Scope Works 5591	Posted - 2014.06.30 18:51:00 - [2] - Quote I'm a filthy casual. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 259	Posted - 2014.06.30 18:58:00 - [3] - Quote Logistics. Its a pain in the ass to live there. As far as day tripping - never seem to find anyone home. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 853	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:09:00 - [4] - Quote My understanding is that most of the PVP is hunter/prey, while I prefer the in-your-face fighting of Faction Warfare / lowsec in general. Also, I can't fly T3s / T2 logi yet.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6958	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:13:00 - [5] - Quote Dhaq wrote: There's a pretty good discussion thread going on about why null does or doesn't interest them. So I'd like to start up one on the reasons you have for living, or not living, in W-space. For me is the more dynamic nature of life there. Changing connections, no local, no stations. For me it just gives EVE a much different feeling, where High/Low/Null all feel stagnate and dull. Wormholes are great. I've ventured into a few of them on occasion. One of the most memorable things I remember happening was how shortly after wormholes we introduced, my corp CEO at the time decided we should try to make some isk in one of them. We went into a C5 with a gang of remote repping Domis and were QUICKLY introduced to wormholes escalation mechanics lol. On second, phalanx of Domis, next second, Phalanx of Pods From a PVE perspective they are fun but it's a lot of side work to do them solo and I haven't felt the urge to join a 'big' wormhole corp like the ones who live in c6s and such. I'm planning on going the full time wormhole route one day though (probably to coincide with when the last of our kids graduate from high school in 10 months, 3 weeks and 2 days.....not like I'm counting or anything). EDII: also, I HATE scanning with probes even if it is way easier now than in the past.
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Solitude Coalition 60	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:31:00 - [6] - Quote My main reason: Some 'holes just are not big enough, and (from what I understand it) inconsistent ore spawns. If WH had say ice, and decent ore spawn similar to sov/null (in the case of WH's, the bigger the class the better the sites), then I would have zero problem looking to get in on the action.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12170	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:40:00 - [7] - Quote My love for megathrons does not mix well with wormholes Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6202	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:42:00 - [8] - Quote MicDeath Titan wrote: My main reason: Some 'holes just are not big enough, and (from what I understand it) inconsistent ore spawns. If WH had say ice, and decent ore spawn similar to sov/null (in the case of WH's, the bigger the class the better the sites), then I would have zero problem looking to get in on the action. Sounds like you want a nice system with a somewhat upgraded (I'd say level 4 works) Mining upgraded IHUB. Maybe an ice belt, though the previous will let you mine ore forever. You know, there are still systems open in the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere, a growing nullsec presence, spanning several regions. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4099	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:45:00 - [9] - Quote I like visiting. But never found the inclination to stay there for long.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1400	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:52:00 - [10] - Quote Same thing as null for me, lack of consistent play time making any 'burnable' zone extremely difficult to live in.

Dave Stark 6453	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:59:00 - [11] - Quote because the logistics of living there is too much effort.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1221	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:10:00 - [12] - Quote Timezone and PvP centric attitudes For the former I seen to have issues finding one active in my TZ, for the latter, I have no issue with PvP, especially defensive PvP, but no matter where I go I'm not going to make it the core of my activities which seems to be what several WH corps/alliances want.
Qalix Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra 288	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:23:00 - [13] - Quote it's a gigantic pain in the ass
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2025	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:33:00 - [14] - Quote When I was very young, maybe a week or two, I probed wh and entered it. On d-scan I saw few ships and I wanted them to know I have peaceful intentions so I said "Hi boys" on local. Ships disappeared from d-scan and I felt sad so I warped back to wh entrance. There was a ship already waiting for me apparently, bubbling wh and locking me the moment I landed. He managed to land gracing shot on my probe stripping my armor almost to none before I jumped back to hisec. No wonder those people are hiding in holes, who would like to play with such rude individuals! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance 1510	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:47:00 - [15] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Logistics. Its a pain in the ass to live there. As far as day tripping - never seem to find anyone home. This is a main reason. You can't really take much of a break. Also, there is a distinct lack of content for a well functioning corp over 10 active members. You can clear all the pve stuff pretty quickly and then you spend days waiting for new respawns. If you don't want to pvp 23/7 it can get boring quickly. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
Knights Armament Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 247	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:47:00 - [16] - Quote I don't have the time to dedicate or worry about my own corp ganking me on alts https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy
Arec Bardwin 1454	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:11:00 - [17] - Quote Laughable POS security options for corp members.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 11259	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:25:00 - [18] - Quote Wormhole life is great. But it's certainly not for everyone. I've lived in higher class and lower class holes and also had a small alt corp living in Class 2 systems for some years that we've always shared with others. I've lost count of the amount of highsec corps with 'wormhole dreams' that've moved in and been unable to even handle a C2 WH and left within weeks/months. A lot of folks don't understand that you get out what you put in with WH life. I love wormholes because: No local - it gives a certain atmosphere that you cannot find anywhere else in eve. Never knowing who's there with you, watching you, or what kind of monsters may jump out from the closet and murder you at any given moment. Like a box of chocolates - every day brings something new, with new connections, new neighbors, new dangers. It's a true frontier. The money is good. Or at least so I'm told as I've never really farmed in WH space much. I just live there to murder folks. Different mechanics, no station games, no gate camps (well sorta, holes still get camped sometimes) and entries/exits you can control yourself with mass. A feeling of owning your very own system, even though it's technically not yours, carving out your very own legacy. Privacy, peace (selectively) - Being able to keep Empire and all the HS/LS/Null politics and plebs at a comfortable arms' length, while also being somewhat invisible yourself and very difficult to find. Idiots, there's less of them in WH space, although we do tend to have our own unique brand. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Netan MalDoran Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two 29	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:48:00 - [19] - Quote Reasons I'm not in a WH: I can't afford a POS (As I like to play mostly solo) No ice for fuel I can't pop a sleeper even with all launchers on my Drake on a single one before I pop In the future I may consider a small corp there, but not in the near future. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
Marsha Mallow 1193	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:04:00 - [20] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: The money is good. Or at least so I'm told as I've never really farmed in WH space much. I just live there to murder folks. Tyberius remarked it's a bit too PVP-centric but I'd really only be interested in killing stuff too. Not all that keen on PVE farming for ISK generation, so there's probably a lot of content in them I'd ignore. I keep considering putting an alt in one just to try it out, but don't really have time atm as I've alts in various other places. The logistics sound a bit fiddly early on getting stuff in, but I'd imagine a decent group would help new members and it's not as though I don't have logistics alts. I wouldn't do it solo or in a tiny group as I can't be bothered monitoring a POS every day anymore. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!

Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 7554	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:24:00 - [21] - Quote I live in one now, I just suck at it. But from my limited experience with a low class hole, it's an enormous pain in the ass to live even here, and we have a static highsec to make logistics easier. The POS mechanics desperately need a full rework, and that's the larger part of it. How this has gone ignored for so long I shall never know. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 410	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:25:00 - [22] - Quote Lack of RL time to play EVE. Anyway, not to say that W-Space is perfect. Far from it. It has it own serious problems that should be looked at by CCP (POS-es for example, assembling tech 3 ships and other stuff) but otherwise, it's more fun than nullsec. Having no local is not really an advantage of the space for me, but rather a manageable annoyance... but hey... nothing's perfect. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279
Saraki Ishikela Deep Space Adventure Time 40	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:42:00 - [23] - Quote As the person who created the Null Thread, I support this post :) I've heavily considered looking for a Worm Hole Corp. I am big fan of exploration as it is and WH's seem like a natural extension of that life style. My biggest concerns are trusting others with my assets in the POS Logistics of getting loot out and ammo/ships in and while I'd want to join a c5 or c6 group to maximize my income potential I feel that doing so would leave me at the mercy of my corp for content. I want to be in a location I can still solo if I want. One newbies quest to ExploreEVE: Youtube:www.youtube.com/exploreeve- Blogspot:http://exploreeve.blogspot.com Twitter:www.twitter.com/exploreeve - Facebook:www.facebook.com/exploreeve
Ka'Narlist Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 174	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:43:00 - [24] - Quote To lazy and they are scary, but I logged in the other day so I've got that going for me which is nice.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 434	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:50:00 - [25] - Quote wormholes for the win. best place to live in eve. positives 1) no local. 2) constant and varied exits to null to hunt 3) periodic t3 brawls with other wh denizens 4) isk is great if you know how to earn it, and if you put 5bn of hardware on the line to get to it :) 5) ability to control entrances / exits negatives 1) asset security. corp theft is an issue. 2) no cloning station 3) logistics can be difficult at times
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 1886	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:10:00 - [26] - Quote Moved into a WH alliance a month after I started playing eve, right when apocrypha was released. Lived in WH space for six months. Was fun. Overall though, there's more pvp to be had in low/null IMO. Not saying WH's don't have pvp, I just encounter fights in non-WH space with greater frequency, so these days I live in low-null.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 11271	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:13:00 - [27] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Moved into a WH alliance a month after I started playing eve, right when apocrypha was released. Lived in WH space for six months. Was fun. Overall though, there's more pvp to be had in low/null IMO. Not saying WH's don't have pvp, I just encounter fights in non-WH space with greater frequency, so these days I live in low-null. That's true ^^ If you want to undock and get a fight at a minute's notice then lowsec or null are for you. Fights and ganks in WH often seem to take a little more time and effort to find. Although in saying that you will often find the value of targets is greater than what you might come across in Empire regions. Looking at many WH pvp'ers killboards you'll notice they often have half the kills a lowsec pilot might have, yet double the ISK destroyed (for a rough example). Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 887	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:15:00 - [28] - Quote Friend of mine found a fleet of Tengu (4 or 5 I think) floating silent and empty in a WH once. Hard to see how a fleet that size could lose all probes but that seems the only real explanation of why they were abandoned there.
Radelix Cisko The Price Of Freedom Wreckless. 194	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:38:00 - [29] - Quote I was in a WH's a few times. Left to corp burnout, complaining, and to a lost POS cause a member made a foolish mistake of leaving shinies out as pos trash. Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2014.07.01 02:46:00 - [30] - Quote Religious reasons -- my God is a jealous god -- as apparently Bob is.

Don Purple Caldari State 260	Posted - 2014.07.01 04:37:00 - [31] - Quote I live in every area of eve all the time. Maybe you even fly with me there. I am just here to snuggle.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 541	Posted - 2014.07.01 04:54:00 - [32] - Quote Haven't had the free time lately, As of right now WH are pretty much where I want to be. Also need to find a nice corp to join, but see the free time thing. You can trust me, I have a monocole
Solecist Project Deeper Feelings Inc. 2500	Posted - 2014.07.01 04:56:00 - [33] - Quote There aren't enough people around! My current outfit... http://imgur.com/a/nyCdC Sol's Special ... http://imgur.com/a/eFlYD http://Solecist.imgur.com
Lothros Andastar The Minutemen The Bastion 133	Posted - 2014.07.01 04:57:00 - [34] - Quote Sleepers hurt too much :(
Kristalll The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 307	Posted - 2014.07.01 05:07:00 - [35] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Logistics. Its a pain in the ass to live there. As far as day tripping - never seem to find anyone home. Let the corp do the logistics for you. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing.
Kijo Rikki Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables 878	Posted - 2014.07.01 05:10:00 - [36] - Quote I could never live in one. Just the thought that you never know where your entrances and exits are going to be from day to day would drive me insane. You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam.-á
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 40	Posted - 2014.07.01 09:10:00 - [37] - Quote I've lived in wormholes for most of my EVE time (since early 2011, rest of the time in lowsec) and I have no idea what people mean by "pain in the ass logistics". Granted, industry is rather hopeless venture in wormholes, but for other players there's simply no need to "logistic" all the time. WH PVE is just as boring crap as it's everywhere, but at least it's done in huge ass ships and requires team work. Random connections are great, I've been all over the map now, and the freedom allowed by connections is a main factor in my continuing existence in w-space. Prolific scanners are mandatory recruitment for any kind of enjoyable wh life. Worst part is that most of the time they are nearly useless for PVP-oriented players being mostly empty. This is of course purely subjective, and many seem to be content with the amount of action they get. For regular fights, there are better areas than w-space. Another downside is the vocal "community" in C5/C6 space that consists mostly of drama queen teens, attention prostitutes and wannabe elite "PVPers" aka blobbers that think ISK values actually mean something but can't fly a frigate even if their lives depended on it. There's a ridiculous amount of circle-jerking, bullshit politics and consensual fights compared to the rest of the EVE. Luckily they are mostly forum trolls and there's a larger population of cool guys who prefer playing to metagame wankery. PVP, on the unfortunately rare occasions it actually happens, can be great, and the slow-paced stalking/hunting can be rewarding.
Yngvarr Khshayarsha Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 3	Posted - 2014.07.01 09:13:00 - [38] - Quote They scare me
Prince Kobol 1964	Posted - 2014.07.01 09:17:00 - [39] - Quote The API. Wormholes are no longer a mysterious place to live. With the API you can now map all your statics and have a very good idea who lives in each wormhole. Wormholes to me should be a mysterious place to live, never knowing where your static will lead or who lives in any particular wormhole. That is simply no longer the case.
Victor Andall 572	Posted - 2014.07.01 09:19:00 - [40] - Quote I'm currently training for a Wormhole fit for Myrmidon for running Data Sites. I would just like to ask everyone to let me run at least one or two and selling the loot before popping my ship. Thanks, you're real troopers. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

Erica Dusette Rolled Out 11319	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:04:00 - [41] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Another downside is the vocal "community" in C5/C6 space that consists mostly of drama queen teens, attention prostitutes and wannabe elite "PVPers" aka blobbers that think ISK values actually mean something but can't fly a frigate even if their lives depended on it. There's a ridiculous amount of circle-jerking, bullshit politics and consensual fights compared to the rest of the EVE. Luckily they are mostly forum trolls and there's a larger population of cool guys who prefer playing to metagame wankery Wow, you pretty much just described Rolled Out. It was beautiful ... Really gonna miss this corp. W-space will be worse off with another group gone who's bread and butter was providing good fights and quality forum content. Thankfully though there's still people like you around, Aiyshimin. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Mithandra Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep 58	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:08:00 - [42] - Quote Wormholes. I love my wormhole.
Grunanca Doughboys Overload Everything 267	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:14:00 - [43] - Quote Logistics and the trouble.. Used to have anice C3 for myself. Had a small pos there and then summer holidays hit. Was a pain to fuel and the fact I had to go on vacation made me have to either take down shop or hope that no one would attack while I was gone. 3 days before my vacation the tower got reinforced, and even though the agressor never came back to finish, I decided to leave. Whan I came back I had a few months of downtime on playing and the income from playing a few hours per week, no longer supported the fuel cost and me bothering to scan down holes to bring fuel and loot through. Also in the end, some guy in a proteus spend his life mainly waiting for me to log on. He never got me, but had some close calls a few times. In the end he wasted a month of his life in the wormhole as I was living there and only occationally logged on once or twice per week.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance 519	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:29:00 - [44] - Quote probing mechanics, I got confused after the 3rd complete overhaul and gave up.
Nuno thecore Genesis Pit Affirmative. 0	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:33:00 - [45] - Quote To much effort associated with it i guess.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 168	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:37:00 - [46] - Quote Wormholes + Probing = Forget it.
Aeo Kai Mobility HQ 10	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:39:00 - [47] - Quote I'd love to live in a wormhole, but am fairly new so it's very daunting. Would love to find a corp that trains newbs to explore.
Nimrod vanHall Van Mij Belastingvrij 92	Posted - 2014.07.01 10:54:00 - [48] - Quote The reason i'm no longer in a wormhole is that there are to many ppl in there at the moment. IMHO way too many holes are occupied.
Aeo Kai Mobility HQ 10	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:00:00 - [49] - Quote Nimrod vanHall wrote: The reason i'm no longer in a wormhole is that there are to many ppl in there at the moment. IMHO way too many holes are occupied. Off topic, very nice profile pic, you have a flair for photography.
Amber Patoria Rolled Out 597	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:06:00 - [50] - Quote Aeo Kai wrote: I'd love to live in a wormhole, but am fairly new so it's very daunting. Would love to find a corp that trains newbs to explore. There are tons who are newbie friendly (Even Eve uni has a wormhole campus). And by 'newbie' I'd say you'd still want to be a confident scanner, able to use cloaks and fly/fit at least a decent BC to comfortably try w-space life in a lower class system. Just browse the recruiting forum, often a lot of WH corps recruiting there and I'm sure you'll find one who is newbie friendly and does the kind of things you're hoping to try. Nimrod vanHall wrote: The reason i'm no longer in a wormhole is that there are to many ppl in there at the moment. IMHO way too many holes are occupied. Most people are complaining about quite the opposite at the moment. There can never be enough people in wormhole space.

Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:19:00 - [51] - Quote One word. ICE. The fact that getting ICE products these days is virtually impossible unless you're willing to camp a system spawn, and scrum pounce a belt like being one of 300 tigers on a small deer carcass... IF wormholes had ice, we'd be there in a flash. it's the only thing holding us back, and we would absolutely love to get back into it again.
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 40	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:32:00 - [52] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Another downside is the vocal "community" in C5/C6 space that consists mostly of drama queen teens, attention prostitutes and wannabe elite "PVPers" aka blobbers that think ISK values actually mean something but can't fly a frigate even if their lives depended on it. There's a ridiculous amount of circle-jerking, bullshit politics and consensual fights compared to the rest of the EVE. Luckily they are mostly forum trolls and there's a larger population of cool guys who prefer playing to metagame wankery Wow, you pretty much just described Rolled Out. It was beautiful ... Really gonna miss this corp. W-space will be worse off with another group gone who's bread and butter was providing good fights and quality forum content. Thankfully though there's still people like you around, Aiyshimin. Derp, I forgot overblown egos and hilarious misconceptions about their own relevancy.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 863	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:38:00 - [53] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Derp, I forgot overblown egos and hilarious misconceptions about their own relevancy. First rule of space-relevance: if you mention it, you're not. Only exception to the rule is reminding people about the rule, obviously.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 11330	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:45:00 - [54] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Another downside is the vocal "community" in C5/C6 space that consists mostly of drama queen teens, attention prostitutes and wannabe elite "PVPers" aka blobbers that think ISK values actually mean something but can't fly a frigate even if their lives depended on it. There's a ridiculous amount of circle-jerking, bullshit politics and consensual fights compared to the rest of the EVE. Luckily they are mostly forum trolls and there's a larger population of cool guys who prefer playing to metagame wankery Wow, you pretty much just described Rolled Out. It was beautiful ... Really gonna miss this corp. W-space will be worse off with another group gone who's bread and butter was providing good fights and quality forum content. Thankfully though there's still people like you around, Aiyshimin. Derp, I forgot overblown egos and hilarious misconceptions about their own relevancy. How can you forget that and still call yourself a wormholer? Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 40	Posted - 2014.07.01 11:58:00 - [55] - Quote Because the attention-seeking loudmouths are a relatively new, and boring phenomenon?
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 11330	Posted - 2014.07.01 12:07:00 - [56] - Quote I know right, no talking in local. I have a problem with that. I don't know what kind of hole you're from, but it doesn't sound like a very fun one to me. In fact going by your earlier post you dislike the PVE there, downplay the PVP there and even write off industry and don't have much to say about the community either. The only things you speak positively off are random connections and easy logistics. What exactly do you do in your hole, run a freighting business or such? Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6967	Posted - 2014.07.01 12:40:00 - [57] - Quote Nimrod vanHall wrote: The reason i'm no longer in a wormhole is that there are to many ppl in there at the moment. IMHO way too many holes are occupied. Ironically, the same reason you have for not lving in a wormhole is the same argument I used in my divorce proceedings . This is why I don't have to pay Alimony
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 42	Posted - 2014.07.01 12:56:00 - [58] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: I know right, no talking in local. I have a problem with that. I don't know what kind of hole you're from, but it doesn't sound like a very fun one to me. In fact going by your earlier post you dislike the PVE there, downplay the PVP there and even write off industry and don't have much to say about the community either. The only things you speak positively off are random connections and easy logistics. What exactly do you do in your hole, run a freighting business or such? Worried about my fun? You're sweet <3 I dislike PVE everywhere, but didn't downplay PVP- it can be great when it actually is available. Like said, some people are fine with the occasional fight or gank every now and then, I keep complaining I did have much to say about the "community" :) Do in the wormhole? I enjoy the company of the most awesome guys in our corp, and I tend to spend my online time scouting the chain from our C5 for fights. In reality I'm logged off in a safe for this summer, tho. Maybe things are better come Autumn?
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6968	Posted - 2014.07.01 13:03:00 - [59] - Quote Regarding the last few posts in this thread that, well, LMAO. In my 1st post in this thread, I gave props to wormholes and the brave space pioneers who live in them. I did that because it's true (wormholing, like pimping, ain't easy), but also because I didn't want to lower myself to the level of the wormholers and others who decided to poo-poo of null sec in the null sec thread to make themselves feel all good about their gameplay choices lol. The truth is that space is space and internet gaming nerds are internet gaming nerds. The same drama and BS that happens in nullsec happens in wormholes (don't believe it? scoll up in this thread or go to the wormhole forums and SEE the e-peening madness and useless politics such as that which killed Narwals the 1st time). Hell, it happens in ALL eve space and all games in general. But some people just need some way to feel all superior to others. The wormholers aren't imo the worst about it (that prize goes to the low sec dwellers, apperently everyone who sets foot in null sec is instantly turned into an "F1 monkey". being in low sec means becoming adept at using F1 and F2!) but it can still be highly annoying.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 11330	Posted - 2014.07.01 13:11:00 - [60] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Worried about my fun? You're sweet <3 You know ... I didn't really mean what I said about your hair that one time. I'm actually beginning to find myself mildly attracted to you from the heat generated exchanging these barbs. Quote: I dislike PVE everywhere, but didn't downplay PVP- it can be great when it actually is available. Like said, some people are fine with the occasional fight or gank every now and then, I keep complaining Nothing wrong with occasional ganks. Or big fights. Or blobs. Some PVP I'll take it any way I can get it, even on the forums, and seeing as I'm taking a little time to relax myself once Rolo closes it'll be back to the occasionals until I feel motivated enough to join the big boys again. Don't expect the shitposting to slow down though. Like you I dislike PVE in all it's forms too. All these space poors, I pity them. Quote: I did have much to say about the "community" :) Yeah well. Quote: Do in the wormhole? I enjoy the company of the most awesome guys in our corp, I can empathize a lot with this. Quote: ... and I tend to spend my online time scouting the chain from our C5 for fights. In reality I'm logged off in a safe for this summer, tho. Maybe things are better come Autumn? Didn't you know that everyone logging off for summer has killed wormholes. All the trolly C5-6 shitposting, drama loving, fight-arranging, prostitute corps are either merging, imploding, or closing down. I hope you're happy. ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAYS Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio

Solecist Project Deeper Feelings Inc. 2510	Posted - 2014.07.01 13:15:00 - [61] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: I know right, no talking in local. I have a problem with that. I don't know what kind of hole you're from, but it doesn't sound like a very fun one to me. ... What exactly do you do in your hole, run a freighting business or such? I love my dirty mind... My current portrait: http://imgur.com/a/q6zRU#10 Sol.freeform: http://imgur.com/a/eFlYD Hey CCP fix your server please! :p
De'Veldrin Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables 2431	Posted - 2014.07.01 13:36:00 - [62] - Quote I actually used to live in a wormhole back before I moved to a nullsec corporation and became a RMT cartel supporting F1 blob monkey. I left because Aperture Harmonics acciedentally the whole corporation I was with. I logged in in my Niddy and discovered our POS was gone and a mail that basically said So Long and Thanks for all the Fish from the CEO. It took my alt four days to scout a route out of that wormhole that was close enough to lowsec to get the carrier out safely. Now a days I only go into wormholes if I need a fast way to highsec. I take my nulli cloaky Tengu and a probe launcher. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper
Solecist Project Deeper Feelings Inc. 2510	Posted - 2014.07.01 13:37:00 - [63] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: ... I wrote a hugeasslong post adressing you ... Only to realize that what actually matters is that you're quite the looker! :D Arrogant, a horribly inflated ego and easily manipulateable, but definitely a looker! :D My current portrait: http://imgur.com/a/q6zRU#10 Sol.freeform: http://imgur.com/a/eFlYD Hey CCP fix your server please! :p
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 86	Posted - 2014.07.01 13:42:00 - [64] - Quote Quote: So what's keeping you from moving to Wormholes Totally Nothing! The summer's keeping me from actually logging in and doing anything (besides cheerfully shitposting), tho.
Lord Fudo Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2014.07.01 15:30:00 - [65] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Logistics. Its a pain in the ass to live there. As far as day tripping - never seem to find anyone home. They usually are home and watching you.
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 42	Posted - 2014.07.01 15:35:00 - [66] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Worried about my fun? You're sweet <3 You know ... I didn't really mean what I said about your hair that one time. I'm actually beginning to find myself mildly attracted to you from the heat generated exchanging these barbs. Have we shitposted together before? I don't seem to remember you, sorry :( Quote: Didn't you know that everyone logging off for summer has killed wormholes. All the trolly C5-6 shitposting, drama loving, fight-arranging, prostitute corps are either merging, imploding, or closing down. I hope you're happy. ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAYS Nah, w-space enters the graveyard shift every summer, as it's done the last four years, and player counts have bounced back in the autumn. For some reason the subscriber numbers are on mild decline, and there's been more calls for w-space revamps, so the bounce back might be less than impressive this year. Hopefully not. The drama queen corps just change names like they do every few months, and still nobody gives a ****. I get the uncomfortable feeling that you might have taken my remarks personally, are you from one of the shitposting imploding corps by any chance?
Adrellisartar Novalrus Mega Global Compucon 0	Posted - 2014.07.01 15:39:00 - [67] - Quote Other people inside wormholes.. I maek videos.. http://bit.ly/AdrelNoval Check me out, tell me how to improve!
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Ixtab. 1594	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:04:00 - [68] - Quote The logistical nightmares are a myth! You can get a system with a highsec static that often opens up close to a trade hub. +1
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 11331	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:12:00 - [69] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Worried about my fun? You're sweet <3 You know ... I didn't really mean what I said about your hair that one time. I'm actually beginning to find myself mildly attracted to you from the heat generated exchanging these barbs. Have we shitposted together before? I don't seem to remember you, sorry :( Yep, pretty sure. It was in WH forum from memory at least. You'd posted something really dumb and a few people were jumping on you. I added some choice comments about your fashion taste I believe. Quote: Nah, w-space enters the graveyard shift every summer, as it's done the last four years, and player counts have bounced back in the autumn. For some reason the subscriber numbers are on mild decline, and there's been more calls for w-space revamps, so the bounce back might be less than impressive this year. Hopefully not. Yes I know. Because people not logging in. How can they be so inconsiderate, it's still winter where I am. Quote: The drama queen corps just change names like they do every few months, and still nobody gives a **. I get the uncomfortable feeling that you might have taken my remarks personally, are you from one of the shitposting imploding corps by any chance? You shouldn't call yourself nobody. I believe in you. No, don't feel uncomfy. I'm always having fun when I post. I'm just glad you're entertained as your dislike of party-loving wormholers alarmed me and didn't really go with your look. As for me, no, I'm from a highsec incursion corp that also does a little wormhole PI in a C1 Blackhole. I do have a few alts in FW too running plexes in stabbed Venture fleets though. That ** is lucrative. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Bienator II madmen of the skies 2720	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:16:00 - [70] - Quote the main reason for me is that once you are inside you have not much you can do, its usually empty. I used them as isk source as i was new to eve - which was nice and also fun. But i don't do much pve anymore. W-space was like eve vacation - nobody around you. The other reason is that eve doesn't have fun intel tools. No radar, nothing, only a list with an update button. Being 100% dependent on it wasn't very fun too. So i decided to go to low sec where probably most people go to get fights. (however i really do like the fact that local isn't working as intel tool in w-space, but sadly eve doesn't have any fun sifi intel tools as replacement for it) eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW

Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6981	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:19:00 - [71] - Quote Bienator II wrote: the main reason for me is that once you are inside you have not much you can do, its usually empty. I used them as isk source as i was new to eve - which was nice and also fun. But i don't do much pve anymore. W-space was like eve vacation - nobody around you. The other reason is that eve doesn't have fun intel tools. No radar, nothing, only a list with an update button. Being 100% dependent on it wasn't very fun too. So i decided to go to low sec where probably most people go to get fights. (however i really do like the fact that local isn't working as intel tool in w-space, but sadly eve doesn't have any fun sifi intel tools as replacement for it) That's another fine point. Having to0 constantly click a button for d-scan is annoying as hell.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Unleashed Pestilence 767	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:32:00 - [72] - Quote There aren't enough unsuspecting carebears in wormholes. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
De'Veldrin Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables 2432	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:44:00 - [73] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: ... unsuspecting carebears... You're being redundant there. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5429	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:46:00 - [74] - Quote Nullsec RMT cartels This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3311	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:48:00 - [75] - Quote This thread reminds me of the time I said WHs were camped by skeletons in German WWII uniforms and this German guy went completely mental at me. I guess he had a bit of a nationality complex lol. Oh god.
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 321	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:59:00 - [76] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: My understanding is that most of the PVP is hunter/prey, while I prefer the in-your-face fighting of Faction Warfare / lowsec in general. Also, I can't fly T3s / T2 logi yet. Until pve is changed to not make me an automatic victim I will not go in wormholes. I get why wh space functions the way it does but pve in it is still as much of an exercise in tedium and I won't stand for it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5334	Posted - 2014.07.01 17:15:00 - [77] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: My understanding is that most of the PVP is hunter/prey, while I prefer the in-your-face fighting of Faction Warfare / lowsec in general. Also, I can't fly T3s / T2 logi yet. Until pve is changed to not make me an automatic victim I will not go in wormholes. I get why wh space functions the way it does but pve in it is still as much of an exercise in tedium and I won't stand for it. I hate to break it to you, but the PVE is tedious everywhere. At least in a WH you're creating content for someone. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Felicity Love Ka'ra Shabuir Inc. 1979	Posted - 2014.07.01 17:23:00 - [78] - Quote Hands down, WH's are the best part of the game. Even if you just "day trip" into C1's or 2's... you are uping your game fun factor considerably, but without all the hassles of kissing ass or greasing palms in Null. "Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
Deebo Singleton Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.07.01 17:50:00 - [79] - Quote Can't find a corp that speicalizes in evictions, which are the most arousing thing about wormholes and I hate the fact so many "pvp," wh group avoid it. So until then, me and my scout are stickin to nullsex for easier pew.
Dhaq Anonymous Posters 9	Posted - 2014.07.01 20:47:00 - [80] - Quote Deebo Singleton wrote: Can't find a corp that speicalizes in evictions, which are the most arousing thing about wormholes and I hate the fact so many "pvp," wh group avoid it. So until then, me and my scout are stickin to nullsex for easier pew. Because simply going after evictions is extremely short sighted. It's like wanting to be a part of a hunting group that specializes in hunting species to extinction.

Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 496	Posted - 2014.07.01 21:00:00 - [81] - Quote Dhaq wrote: Deebo Singleton wrote: Can't find a corp that speicalizes in evictions, which are the most arousing thing about wormholes and I hate the fact so many "pvp," wh group avoid it. So until then, me and my scout are stickin to nullsex for easier pew. Because simply going after evictions is extremely short sighted. It's like wanting to be a part of a hunting group that specializes in hunting species to extinction. Welcome to EVE Online. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Malcolm Shinhwa Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 2597	Posted - 2014.07.01 21:07:00 - [82] - Quote I liked living in a C2 just fine. But the PVP was basically gank or be ganked. In 9 months I think we had maybe 4 actual fights. The rest of the time it was cloaky spots PVEer, get dudes together to bring enough for the kill, warp to cloaky, kill kill. Not that ganking isn't fun mind you. But I can gank miners and missioners in HS with a lot less hassle. Part of that was probably my fault since I was paranoid about recruiting into corp since POSes suck. Although I did get some guys in corp, it was never enough to beat the attrition rate. Then there was the long stretches of finding no one in any hole. Days would go by without any contact. Sometimes days more before you could find something pewable. So whs fun, but you need some dudes to fight with, then you need to find some dudes to fight. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
Deebo Singleton Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.07.01 22:41:00 - [83] - Quote Dhaq wrote: Deebo Singleton wrote: Can't find a corp that speicalizes in evictions, which are the most arousing thing about wormholes and I hate the fact so many "pvp," wh group avoid it. So until then, me and my scout are stickin to nullsex for easier pew. Because simply going after evictions is extremely short sighted. It's like wanting to be a part of a hunting group that specializes in hunting species to extinction. You say that like everyone who has been evicted from a hole bailed on w-space permanently. Eviction does break the paradigm and you'll get blobbed and evicted for it soon enough, but that ain't bcause ~short sighted. It's because "muh shekels," and "the blue **** must flow." Now, I don't think there's anything wrong about that. To each his own, but we all know the narrative about cultivating pvp is hilariously easy to see through. No disrespect for my w-space bros tho. Yall are just doing your thing.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 135	Posted - 2014.07.01 23:06:00 - [84] - Quote I used to live in worm hole space for quite a long time. that was early on. There was too much scanning and logistics were a pain living out of a PoS also a huge pain. The profits were nice enough that it was worth it but after a while there was just too many people doing it and the income potential droped. I can make more isk per hour all things considered in Known space.
Ayara Itris Iron.Guard 0	Posted - 2014.07.01 23:40:00 - [85] - Quote WH's require a lot of SP, which is unfortunate because it seems like it'd be really fun to get into.
Malcolm Shinhwa Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 2597	Posted - 2014.07.02 00:58:00 - [86] - Quote Ayara Itris wrote: WH's require a lot of SP, which is unfortunate because it seems like it'd be really fun to get into. If you can fly a T2 tank Drake you can live in a C1. Even better, live in a C2 with a C1 static. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
WASPY69 Hard Knocks Inc. 295	Posted - 2014.07.02 01:32:00 - [87] - Quote I see a lot similar reasons being expressed in this thread. Basically, to enjoy living in a wormhole your interests gotta match the following: Hunter mentality - You enjoy the hunt and favor PVP over PVE. Isk per hour is irrelevant to you. Scanning, and more scanning - If you hate scanning you will hate wormholes. Period. Content creator - Some people sit in a POS or station expecting to e spoonfed content. In a wormhole it's up to you to take the initiative. Be Social and contribute to your corp - No one likes the silent, selfish type in wormholes. Skills - Skills as in knowing game mechanics, and being a confident and skilled solo pilot. (Applies in fleets too). Skillpoints - While not mandatory to enjoy wormhole life, know that most wormhole entities rarely fly Tech 1 ships. Be Online - Be active and be logged in as much as you can and have time to. Wormholes are no place to play 'skillque online'. Be Mature - Be respectful to others, and don't ** up local or cause unnecessary drama. Environment - You gotta enjoy the dynamic environment and constantly changing wormhole exits. Tinfoil Hats** - Always carry extra tinfoil hats. You know the moment you stop hitting Dscan you will miss those combat probes. And just because local is "empty" doesn't mean no one is cloaked 10km away from you, watching you, getting a warpin for the fleet behind that newly spawned K162. That's the basics that I can think of right now, I most likely forgot something but meh, it's 3am as I write this.
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 1854	Posted - 2014.07.02 02:09:00 - [88] - Quote I'd love to live in a 'hole But I don't know what to do I see wormholes as one of many mysterious things I haven't tried yet in the game. It'll be my treat when I finish eating the pies I do have my fingers in.. .. when everything else is gone ..
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 86	Posted - 2014.07.02 05:03:00 - [89] - Quote Flying around WHs a lot o'fun.. Enter, check pocos ownership first, then D-scan for out of POS denizens (still a fairly rare occurrence) Assume you are being watched all the time (if they are out of POs they are cloaked) Check all the POS, most off them will be derelict, Find some ratter before they spot the k162, engage before launching any probes for best effect, then probe exit fast and gtfo. Never go through the same hole twice, always find new holes . Escalate the sleepers site without finishing them to get a future "thanks *****" from denizens... If you have spare time stay around to see the consequences (and possibly benefit from it if you can tank the sleepers yourself) If you are solo/small gangs stay away from C5 or C6 Potential to visit all space and areas of new Eden in a single roam Love probing Love WHs "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 479	Posted - 2014.07.02 09:20:00 - [90] - Quote WASPY69 wrote: Scanning, and more scanning - If you hate scanning you will hate wormholes. Period. That's the big hurdle for me, I truly loath scanning. Of course, I guess you either get good at it or die (lost and alone in the wilderness) trying. That said, the real reason I haven't tried it yet is I enjoy doing what I'm doing, and when I finally get sick of it (or someone finally sets our coalition on fire), I will probably nut up and give it a shot as a change of pace.

Garresh Team Chicken and Waffles 310	Posted - 2014.07.02 09:33:00 - [91] - Quote Ayara Itris wrote: WH's require a lot of SP, which is unfortunate because it seems like it'd be really fun to get into. This is patently untrue. I launched a solo c2 operation 6 months after I started eve, with a month or so of training wasted on learning skills and interceptors. Maybe more. Ran it for a long time too. Anyways as to why I dont live in w-space, it was honestly kind of lonely. Nobody to shoot in the lower classes, and not much contact with your neighbors. Maybe Id be better suited to c5 and c6 but I enjoy my current lifestyle as a lowsec roamer. It just feels right. This Space Intentionally Left Blank
Louis Catcher J-Space BrotherHood Zombie Pony Express 8	Posted - 2014.07.02 10:17:00 - [92] - Quote Clearly people talking about logistics being a pain in the ass has not lived in a wormhole. Sure you can't move **** right away all the time but many times you will get that HS/LS that is close to amarr and Jita. TBH it is many times easier then Null logistics. Also the "no local" makes for me the whole wormhole experience so much more thrilling, to be able to sneak up on a fleet or someone without them even knowing you are in the system is priceless.
Phoenix Jones POS Party Try Rerolling 474	Posted - 2014.07.02 10:21:00 - [93] - Quote Lived in wormholes for about a year and a half, left, now returning. Why I left. 1) pos code 2) logistics (can't build pos modules inside wh, can't assemble built t3,'s, no dedicated fuel hauler)) 3) no unique "loot" (people in low and null on occasion get a cool bpo, a cool module, etc). Wormhole space? Nope. It's kill sleepers, vacuum up their carapace. Why I came back? 1) smaller groups are more social 2) people have a viable job in wh space 3) cyno's don't work here 4) they fixed some of the hauling issues 5) ore and ice compression Things I would like to see to get people more interested? 1) actual rare drops from sleepers (something viable for that person to do/grab when they are mapping wormholes) 2) sleeper based ship equipment (wormhole version of t2 equipment) 3) a viable fix to pos code (update permissions, equipment, storage, personal sma, etc) 4) ability to assemble t3's in wormholes without needing a station 5) ice spawns intermixed with gravimetric belts ( as now compression of ice is viable, it can become another export from wh space) 6) ability to build pos modules inside of a pos. Stabbers are totally broken http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
Aeo Kai Mobility HQ 12	Posted - 2014.07.04 13:05:00 - [94] - Quote So, lots of debate, are wormholes viable for low SP pilots or not?
Gaellia Bonaventure Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2409	Posted - 2014.07.04 22:55:00 - [95] - Quote I don't like worms. Bring your possibles.
Kellie Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 74	Posted - 2014.07.04 23:16:00 - [96] - Quote Ayara Itris wrote: WH's require a lot of SP, which is unfortunate because it seems like it'd be really fun to get into. Aeo Kai wrote: So, lots of debate, are wormholes viable for low SP pilots or not? It really doesn't take much SP, least not to get yourself into a low-class hole (C1-3). You need to be able to scan confidently and salvage efficiently, use cloaking devices, and fly/fit a Battlecruiser effectively to be able to farm the sleepers. If you want to day trip into wormholes then that's it ... no big deal really. You want to live in one then you'll need a few more skills to maintain your POS, but it won't take very long at all.
Proclus Diadochu Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 1811	Posted - 2014.07.05 03:55:00 - [97] - Quote You lost me at... WASPY69 wrote: Be Mature - Be respectful to others, and don't ** up local or cause unnecessary drama. Real talk, though. For all the experiences I have had in wormholes, wormholin', creating drama/content, starting fights, and overall stirring up fun for my friends and I in the past, it dawns on me that even though some folks are familiar with the dynamic of wormholes, the culture, people, mechanics, tips and tricks, and methods that can lead to successfully playing in that area of gameplay, many aren't as familiar or see it as one of two things: :effort: :unknown: Get past both and you will succeed in wormholes. Unknown will fade over time, and then you will constantly battle effort until you leave wormholes and join another community, or quit the game. Irrelevant-á\| Twitter: @autoritare \| [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ \| The Diogenes Club
Erica Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 11572	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:15:00 - [98] - Quote Deebo Singleton wrote: Dhaq wrote: Deebo Singleton wrote: Can't find a corp that speicalizes in evictions, which are the most arousing thing about wormholes and I hate the fact so many "pvp," wh group avoid it. So until then, me and my scout are stickin to nullsex for easier pew. Because simply going after evictions is extremely short sighted. It's like wanting to be a part of a hunting group that specializes in hunting species to extinction. You say that like everyone who has been evicted from a hole bailed on w-space permanently. Eviction does break the paradigm and you'll get blobbed and evicted for it soon enough, but that ain't bcause ~short sighted. It's because "muh shekels," and "the blue **** must flow." Now, I don't think there's anything wrong about that. To each his own, but we all know the narrative about cultivating pvp is hilariously easy to see through. No disrespect for my w-space bros tho. Yall are just doing your thing. Evictions sound tantalizing, superficially. But in reality it's a lot more about PVS (player versus structure) than any meaningful or exciting PVP. The typical wormhole eviction will 90% of the time entail: Moving into the system, watching the locals scatter, maybe ganking a few of them in the process Spending several hours (or potential much, much longer) reinforcing the resident towers Bubbling the towers and exits and maintaining sleep-depriving, pee-in-a-bottle 24h hole-control for upwards or two days while you wait for the tower's to come out of reinforce. Maybe ganking one or two more locals during this period as they desperately attempt to move out or self-destruct everything. Spending hours destroying the towers and their modules after they come out of reinforce, scooping any loot left over. Op success Maybe 10% of the time will the eviction target be ready and capable to defend against the invader, providing somewhat of a good fight. Similarly only 10% of the time will they invest in a mercenary to come defend them. Evictions are very time-consuming and mind-numbingly boring for the most part. There are many other things much more exciting to spend your time doing in WH space! Having said that, I still enjoy a good invasion or eviction. Simply because the novelty for me hasn't worn off yet, but ask 90% of the pilots I've flown with and they'll echo pretty much the sentiments I wrote above - Sieges are boring. But if they're what you want to do then go join any WH merc corp and you'll likely find yourself doing evictions semi-regularly. If you and your scout want excitement then start wandering through W-space. Hunting people you come across and perhaps even finding a system with vulnerable bear inhabitants worth camping and terrorizing for a week or two, leaving only after they pay a ransom or bring someone in to kill you = good times! Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Gefen Orion Orion Star Ltd. 20	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:17:00 - [99] - Quote I don't like how the sun shines inside wormholes...
Conrad Makbure Division One Security 73	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:27:00 - [100] - Quote Getting stuck out there would suck. If they would introduce a ship like the Orca, but more of a mobile space station that can deploy and lockout other pilots with a forcefield and PW access, I'd think about it. Also: http://wormholes.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hilownullwh.jpg

Mr Epeen It's All About Me 5382	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:31:00 - [101] - Quote Wormholes are interesting in that they are the one place in New Eden that you actually don't spam warp when you are running out of structure. And it'll stay that way until CCP allows probe launchers in pods. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10586	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:44:00 - [102] - Quote The corp I've grown accustomed to and enjoy doesn't operate in wormhole space. I suppose I could join GSF's holesquad but I don't know how active they actually are. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh.
Elmonky Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium 70	Posted - 2014.07.05 18:04:00 - [103] - Quote Confirming that W Space does indeed rock the casbah. It needs some work... but being the industry supply within our alliance and Crius and it's impending sexiness we are mostly having all of the fun. And most of my corp mates are the most pvp averse gamers ever... they are slowly coming to terms with ''I will kill that bastard!'' and knowing that in W Space... noone can hear you scream... unless everyone is on comms
Aeligos Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:56:00 - [104] - Quote I started EVE a year ago, started out as a high sec miner and I remain so to this day. I haven't ventured out to wh mainly due to not having proper combat skills. I also don't know much about WH but I will actively look into this as I do want to make the transition from miner to fighter. If I had a more up-to-date PC I'd have more than one character, a fighter on one client and miner on the other.
Gorinia Sanford Big n Large 60	Posted - 2014.07.05 20:32:00 - [105] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: This thread reminds me of the time I said WHs were camped by skeletons in German WWII uniforms and this German guy went completely mental at me. I guess he had a bit of a nationality complex lol. Now that's just funny. Sounds like he just needs to pull the stick out.
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 1433	Posted - 2014.07.06 00:35:00 - [106] - Quote Because I don't want to become like this poor guy - which is what happens when you spend too much time in wormholes. I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming.
Titania Hrothgar Nemesis Retribution No Excuse. 78	Posted - 2014.07.06 02:08:00 - [107] - Quote Dhaq wrote: There's a pretty good discussion thread going on about why null does or doesn't interest them. So I'd like to start up one on the reasons you have for living, or not living, in W-space. For me is the more dynamic nature of life there. Changing connections, no local, no stations. For me it just gives EVE a much different feeling, where High/Low/Null all feel stagnate and dull. No wormhole corps accepted my applications because I refused to become a member of their favorite website.. Pure and simple. I'm in Null Sec simply because the corp I'm in gave me a home. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Marcus Alvin Tivianne Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.07.06 03:56:00 - [108] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: Dhaq wrote: There's a pretty good discussion thread going on about why null does or doesn't interest them. So I'd like to start up one on the reasons you have for living, or not living, in W-space. For me is the more dynamic nature of life there. Changing connections, no local, no stations. For me it just gives EVE a much different feeling, where High/Low/Null all feel stagnate and dull. No wormhole corps accepted my applications because I refused to become a member of their favorite website.. Pure and simple. I'm in Null Sec simply because the corp I'm in gave me a home. Wat?
James Nikolas Tesla Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 120	Posted - 2014.07.06 04:42:00 - [109] - Quote Anslo wrote: I'm a filthy casual. Same Knight in battered armor
PantrashMoFo Bruggen Raiders 26	Posted - 2014.07.06 05:42:00 - [110] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Because I don't want to become like this poor guy - which is what happens when you spend too much time in wormholes. That was without doubt the most disturbing thing i have ever seen on the internet. I am going to have nightmares now.

Titania Hrothgar Nemesis Retribution No Excuse. 78	Posted - 2014.07.06 05:58:00 - [111] - Quote Marcus Alvin Tivianne wrote: Titania Hrothgar wrote: Dhaq wrote: There's a pretty good discussion thread going on about why null does or doesn't interest them. So I'd like to start up one on the reasons you have for living, or not living, in W-space. For me is the more dynamic nature of life there. Changing connections, no local, no stations. For me it just gives EVE a much different feeling, where High/Low/Null all feel stagnate and dull. No wormhole corps accepted my applications because I refused to become a member of their favorite website.. Pure and simple. I'm in Null Sec simply because the corp I'm in gave me a home. Wat? TEST requires that you be a member of REDDIT for at least 3 months. They denied my app because I wasn't. GOON requires that you be member of Something Awful for at least 3 months. I'm sure there are more. It's the silliest recruitment scheme I've ever seen. I refuse to jump on a website forum and pretend to care just to get into a corp. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Harrylon Atild Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.07.06 06:28:00 - [112] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: Marcus Alvin Tivianne wrote: Titania Hrothgar wrote: Dhaq wrote: There's a pretty good discussion thread going on about why null does or doesn't interest them. So I'd like to start up one on the reasons you have for living, or not living, in W-space. For me is the more dynamic nature of life there. Changing connections, no local, no stations. For me it just gives EVE a much different feeling, where High/Low/Null all feel stagnate and dull. No wormhole corps accepted my applications because I refused to become a member of their favorite website.. Pure and simple. I'm in Null Sec simply because the corp I'm in gave me a home. Wat? TEST requires that you be a member of REDDIT for at least 3 months. They denied my app because I wasn't. GOON requires that you be member of Something Awful for at least 3 months. I'm sure there are more. It's the silliest recruitment scheme I've ever seen. I refuse to jump on a website forum and pretend to care just to get into a corp. Except Goonswarm and TEST are both nullsec alliances, not wh corps, so your post doesn't make any sense.
Erica Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 11663	Posted - 2014.07.06 06:46:00 - [113] - Quote PantrashMoFo wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Because I don't want to become like this poor guy - which is what happens when you spend too much time in wormholes. That was without doubt the most disturbing thing i have ever seen on the internet. I am going to have nightmares now. ******* nullsec. Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate \| GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog \| #420roloswag \| Bio
Serene Repose 1424	Posted - 2014.07.07 07:00:00 - [114] - Quote I'm already playing null sec, low sec, high sec, factional, Incursions...now wormholes? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Mithandra Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep 64	Posted - 2014.07.07 08:55:00 - [115] - Quote WASPY69 wrote: I see a lot similar reasons being expressed in this thread. Basically, to enjoy living in a wormhole your interests gotta match the following: Hunter mentality - You enjoy the hunt and favor PVP over PVE. Isk per hour is irrelevant to you. Scanning, and more scanning - If you hate scanning you will hate wormholes. Period. Content creator - Some people sit in a POS or station expecting to e spoonfed content. In a wormhole it's up to you to take the initiative. Be Social and contribute to your corp - No one likes the silent, selfish type in wormholes. Skills - Skills as in knowing game mechanics, and being a confident and skilled solo pilot. (Applies in fleets too). Skillpoints - While not mandatory to enjoy wormhole life, know that most wormhole entities rarely fly Tech 1 ships. Be Online - Be active and be logged in as much as you can and have time to. Wormholes are no place to play 'skillque online'. Be Mature - Be respectful to others, and don't ** up local or cause unnecessary drama. Environment - You gotta enjoy the dynamic environment and constantly changing wormhole exits. Tinfoil Hats** - Always carry extra tinfoil hats. You know the moment you stop hitting Dscan you will miss those combat probes. And just because local is "empty" doesn't mean no one is cloaked 10km away from you, watching you, getting a warpin for the fleet behind that newly spawned K162. That's the basics that I can think of right now, I most likely forgot something but meh, it's 3am as I write this. This pretty much sums up the requirements for a successful WH pilot
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1409	Posted - 2014.07.07 10:30:00 - [116] - Quote Dhaq wrote: There's a pretty good discussion thread going on about why null does or doesn't interest them. So I'd like to start up one on the reasons you have for living, or not living, in W-space. For me is the more dynamic nature of life there. Changing connections, no local, no stations. For me it just gives EVE a much different feeling, where High/Low/Null all feel stagnate and dull. Real life make likely that I can spend liek 4-8 days without login into the game. Wormhoel is too volatile for me to risk that. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"


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