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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.06.24 16:46:00 -
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I think the Amarr one is confirmed to be a long range turret boat. A drone ship that can fit 8 tachs would be a tad overpowered... Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes |
Blighter
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Posted - 2006.06.24 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Novarei
Originally by: Montero edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus.
But this can do it easier...
Meh, the optimal rail bonus doubles as a ghetto damage bonus. It allows you to hit targets farther away, and, It allows you to use your more damageing ammo's sooner.
So as where a railboat Mega would be in range of using Lead ammo, the Caldai ship would be in range of using Anti-matter.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.24 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blighter
Originally by: Novarei
Originally by: Montero edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus.
But this can do it easier...
Meh, the optimal rail bonus doubles as a ghetto damage bonus. It allows you to hit targets farther away, and, It allows you to use your more damageing ammo's sooner.
So as where a railboat Mega would be in range of using Lead ammo, the Caldai ship would be in range of using Anti-matter.
would make so much sense. Unfortunately, one word screws it up. SPIKE
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Xylur I think the Amarr one is confirmed to be a long range turret boat. A drone ship that can fit 8 tachs would be a tad overpowered...
Not really. Balanced by slot layout, grid and cpu. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 16:54:45
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Blighter
Originally by: Novarei
Originally by: Montero edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus.
But this can do it easier...
Meh, the optimal rail bonus doubles as a ghetto damage bonus. It allows you to hit targets farther away, and, It allows you to use your more damageing ammo's sooner.
So as where a railboat Mega would be in range of using Lead ammo, the Caldai ship would be in range of using Anti-matter.
would make so much sense. Unfortunately, one word screws it up. SPIKE
A separate matter. T2 ammos should be damage bonus and minor penalty because other positive bonuses should be from skills, mods and ship bonus. As it is now, T2 ammos screw up PvP because all bonuses stack with skills, mods and ship. Balancing role, ships, range and damage is really hard. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.24 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire [Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist.
The Abaddon has 7 or 8 guns, as shown in the last video, so a 10% cap reduction/lvl is a given. That or a capacitor twice as big as others BS, and that's not going to happen...
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.24 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Guess ;p
Caldari: Large rail optimal and shield resist.
Gallente: Sensor dampening and large turret dmg.
Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist.
Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
It'll be 15% shield resists per level and 25% range per level for Caldari too. They want us gatecamping with AM.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
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Posted - 2006.06.24 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles
6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints.
8/6/6?
That's a ship that would displace Raven. But it would not be a good Tier 3 fleet battleship.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles
6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints.
8/6/6?
That's a ship that would displace Raven. But it would not be a good Tier 3 fleet battleship.
They wont canibalised Tempest. In fleet, painters work for everyone. Good EWAR support platform, IMHO. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles
6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints.
8/6/6?
Do you think if they actually GET this, that the Minmatar might stop whining about nerfing missiles?
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles
6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints.
8/6/6?
Do you think if they actually GET this, that the Minmatar might stop whining about nerfing missiles?
Not really, It will still blow. A Minmatar raven, who needs that?
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Grey Area
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles
6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints.
8/6/6?
Do you think if they actually GET this, that the Minmatar might stop whining about nerfing missiles?
Not really, It will still blow. A Minmatar raven, who needs that?
I'll fly it. Especially if it armor tanks.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Guess ;p
Caldari: Large rail optimal and shield resist.
Gallente: Sensor dampening and large turret dmg.
Good Quote:
Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist.
Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
Bad.
Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built New sig coming soonÖ Tuxford's good for EVE. |
Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist.
Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
Bad.
Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built
A missile based BS with a bonus to TP's would definetly not fall under the category of underpowered - _____
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:21:00 -
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Say yes to target painter bonuses!
Actually, cruise missiles and target painters can be a pretty deadly combo I think, especially them precision cruise missiles.
Originally by: Ithildin Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built
What do you mean non-Amarr built? The Amarr have the Arbitrator class and its derivatives. Don't know if it will be overpowered, I'm waiting to see the CPU and Grid on this one. ___________________
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Ithildin
Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist.
Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
Bad.
Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built
A missile based BS with a bonus to TP's would definetly not fall under the category of underpowered
But definitly doesn't fall into the minmatar wishlist.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Originally by: Ithildin Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built
What do you mean non-Amarr built? The Amarr have the Arbitrator class and its derivatives. Don't know if it will be overpowered, I'm waiting to see the CPU and Grid on this one.
If you read the description for the Arbitrator, you'd understand. Additionally, the EM drones, which happen to be the Amarrian drones, are also the worst possible drones out there - slow and low damage combined with lowest hit points.
Besides this, we've got the Dominix - a Gallentean drone ship at tier one. Do you really think Amarr will get a drone ship TWO tiers higher than the DRONE RACE OF EVE!?
Also, Tuxford said they'd not be like any existing BShips. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year" |
Prestis
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Prestis on 24/06/2006 23:32:42 Well anything with projectile bonuses will make the Tempest redundant, so I'm hoping for a dedicated Minmatar tier 3 drone boat.
Something like +5% drone damage, +7.5% armor repping. 150m3 drone bay will do.
A missile boat would be a disapointment, what with all the extra skills to max out. Matari are bad enough for that already. Drones you pretty much have to train anyway.
But if they're really going for something different, a BS with a speed bonus could be fun. It would have to be much lighter too though or that's pointless.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.06.24 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sovy Kurosei on 24/06/2006 23:49:39
Originally by: Ithildin If you read the description for the Arbitrator, you'd understand.
Originally by: The Guide The Arbitrator is unusual for Amarr ships in that it's primarily a drone carrier. While it is not the best carrier around, it has superior armor that gives it greater durability than most ships in its class.
Uhh, it is unusual but not impossible for the Amarr to build primarily drone ships? And what about the drone bay for the Armageddon, it is equal to the Megathron.
Originally by: Ithildin Additionally, the EM drones, which happen to be the Amarrian drones, are also the worst possible drones out there - slow and low damage combined with lowest hit points.
One, is there any prime fiction that says that Amarr make poor drones? Cause we could always chalk it up to the drones being poorly balanced with regards to the other drone types. Two, just because Amarr have crappy drones doesn't mean they can't produce drone ships. This is like saying that Group A makes better airports than Group B, so therefore Group B's aircraft must be inferior to Group A's.
Originally by: Ithildin Besides this, we've got the Dominix - a Gallentean drone ship at tier one. Do you really think Amarr will get a drone ship TWO tiers higher than the DRONE RACE OF EVE!?
Why not? ___________________
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:03:00 -
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The Amarr ship will not have a drone bonus, since it has 8 turret hardpoints already, which any one of you can check out by watching the "No Other Destiny" video in the official video section, which shows off the ship blasting away with 8 lasers.
The Caldari ship will not have an optimal bonus. CCP has removed the optimal range bonus from the Typhoon which already was the only battleship that was getting one. Battleships with full turrets and optimal bonuses would make fleetbattles and long range ganking even more ridiculous then it is right now, and if CCP has any sense of what game balance means they will never go there.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:07:00 -
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i truly hope the caldari bonuses are optimal and DAMAGE, not shield resist. ______________
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A separate matter. T2 ammos should be damage bonus and minor penalty because other positive bonuses should be from skills, mods and ship bonus. As it is now, T2 ammos screw up PvP because all bonuses stack with skills, mods and ship. Balancing role, ships, range and damage is really hard. E.g. Amarr, instead of normal EM Thermal damage. Can give them Kinetic as third bonus.
Bleh. T1 damage, special effect and no penalty..
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:11:00 -
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i want cookies
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:34:00 -
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if amarr get a better droneboat then gal imma cry
It can fit more nos i dont care, it can have a better tank, i dont care. but for the love of god no more then 2 midslots :P ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:46:00 -
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IMO the caldari rail boat needs a tracking bonus, not a range one.
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xaioguai
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Posted - 2006.06.25 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
die
and again and again and again..........
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.25 02:19:00 -
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An amarr drone boat would be ridiculously overpowered.
I'd love it, but I doubt it will happen based on the new official vid.
8 turrets and an assload of drones...
imagine how fun a laser rof bonus and a drone bonus would be. Tons of EM for sheilds and tons of explo for armor. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.06.25 02:27:00 -
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That minmatar bs with 6 missle points and a painter bonus would be pretty good. Would basically be a raven/huggin mix so rage torps would be quite nasty in 1v1. I'de rather have a turret boat though cause missles are lame
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.06.25 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
you mean tp falloff bonus+tp optimal range bonus :P
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Killer Dragon
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Posted - 2006.06.25 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire [Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist.
The Abaddon has 7 or 8 guns, as shown in the last video, so a 10% cap reduction/lvl is a given. That or a capacitor twice as big as others BS, and that's not going to happen...
WHat video?
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