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Stanis
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Posted - 2006.06.25 14:42:00 -
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This is stupid :P
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.06.25 14:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Forsch
Originally by: Jon Xylur
I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version.
The arbitrator is tech1. Also the tier3 battleships aren't supposed to be better than the other two tiers, just different. I don't see a problem in giving the Amarrians a drone ship, it doesn't mean it is better than the dominix.
You all seem to be thinking these are official stats. Aren't those just guesses, Jenny?
As some have said already, the Abaddon (sp?) has 8 turret slots according to the video. There is no way it won't have a laser cap reduction bonus. Looking at the other drone ships currently in game I doubt a boat with a full rack of turrets will have a drone bonus.
Too bad really, cause I was really hoping for a big arbitrator. 
I got nps with amarrs gettign a droen boat i just have a problem acceptign it on story lien basis , the amarr as a race are not drone masters as the galalntes who solely have the extensive knoweldge to make thie ships utilize droens as a weapon more effectivly than any other race , as far as story line goes for me its like having a gallnate BS or BC with bonus to laser turrets  I dunno if i am the only one seeing this but it doenst sound right to me at all just on history basis .
I agree with ya mate .
I don¦t want to see everyone piloting a ship that is equal to caldari or amar,galente.
We need diferences in the races figthing styles not ,all the same *** diferent model.
For me make the tier3 matari ship a fast AC machine :5% large turrets ROF and a 5% to AB /agility/warpcore stabilizer/smart bomb range i dont care ,make them diferent.
And say no to TP bonus :(...
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BuSHiDo ZiN
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Posted - 2006.06.25 15:14:00 -
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Seeing as everyone's thrilled and speculating about the guesses, I'll offer what I think CCP will do, based on the current trends
Caldari:
19% increase to large hybrid firing speed/lvl
10% increase to shield resistances/lvl
Gallente:
25% increase to large hybrid damage/lvl
+10000m3 increase to drone bay/lvl
+1 additional drone controlled/lvl
Amarr:
10% reduction in Armor Rep Capacitor Usage
10% reduction in Armor Rep Cycle Length
Minmatar:
10% increase in max velocity/lvl
20% bonus to scanner resolution/lvl
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.06.25 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Forsch
Originally by: Jon Xylur
I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version.
The arbitrator is tech1. Also the tier3 battleships aren't supposed to be better than the other two tiers, just different. I don't see a problem in giving the Amarrians a drone ship, it doesn't mean it is better than the dominix.
You all seem to be thinking these are official stats. Aren't those just guesses, Jenny?
As some have said already, the Abaddon (sp?) has 8 turret slots according to the video. There is no way it won't have a laser cap reduction bonus. Looking at the other drone ships currently in game I doubt a boat with a full rack of turrets will have a drone bonus.
Too bad really, cause I was really hoping for a big arbitrator.
I got nps with amarrs gettign a droen boat i just have a problem acceptign it on story lien basis , the amarr as a race are not drone masters as the galalntes who solely have the extensive knoweldge to make thie ships utilize droens as a weapon more effectivly than any other race , as far as story line goes for me its like having a gallnate BS or BC with bonus to laser turrets I dunno if i am the only one seeing this but it doenst sound right to me at all just on history basis .
I agree with ya mate .
I don¦t want to see everyone piloting a ship that is equal to caldari or amar,galente.
We need diferences in the races figthing styles not ,all the same *** diferent model.
For me make the tier3 matari ship a fast AC machine :5% large turrets ROF and a 5% to AB /agility/warpcore stabilizer/smart bomb range i dont care ,make them diferent.
And say no to TP bonus :(...
Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters.
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.06.25 15:38:00 -
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Quote:
Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters.
Think about it: Super ligth,super fast AC BS ,a big brother of the stabber ;)
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.06.25 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Quote:
Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters.
Think about it: Super ligth,super fast AC BS ,a big brother of the stabber ;)
ye, I get the wood but it ain't happening 
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Sniser
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Posted - 2006.06.25 15:42:00 -
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i would love some role changes in amarr too
armageddon drone ship
apoc armor resist
abaddon the new dmg bs with rof 
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2006.06.25 16:50:00 -
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if the geddon is changed in any way i think i'll cry. my favourite battleship.
i think the minmatar BS needs to be a howi boat 8 turrets and proj damage+falloff bonus mmmm instapopped (tempy is good sniper but better suited for shortrange imo)
gallente already have the the most DPS in eve with great drones AND omgwtfblasters, i just hope their tier3 bs dosent have both or i'll cry (again)
caldari railboat is nice tho, gives their bs nice variation (ew/missiles/guns)
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Kitti Kenzaki
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Posted - 2006.06.25 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
Huh?
Drop the enemy targeting range to 20km and fight him in 7 km range?
A better bonus would be sensor damp range and hybrid range, but prolly it won't get range boni on hybrids. I hope it will be Sensor damp effectiveness 5% and range 10%. That would be cool
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.25 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sniser
i would love some role changes in amarr too
armageddon drone ship
apoc armor resist
abaddon the new dmg bs with rof
On that note, both model-wise and to a certain extent story-line-wise, the following should be done to Gallente:
* Dominix -> Dampener ship (+2 mid, -2 low, trade drone bay with MegaT, drone bonus changed to dampener eff. bonus, other stats same, very good lock time)
* Megathron -> Drone ship (+1 mid, -2 high, trade drone bay with Domi, tracking bonus changed to drone damage and hit points - note lack CPU to fit EWar setup effectively!)
* The new "ButplugÖ" -> Blastership. (8 High (7/8 turret, 2 launcher), 5 Mid, 7 Low, 5% damage and -10% MWD cap nerf., very good agility)
Incidentally, such a change would also make room for a tier 1 Amarr drone ship.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.06.25 17:49:00 -
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I think the majority of us pilots living under the Minmatar Republic would have a serious issue of they decided to employ the weaponry of Caldari. We are not skilled in this area and it leaves nothing for us Tempest pilots to aspire towards.
I suppose it would lend more credence to the idea that Minmatar are the most skilled pilots in the galaxy 
Missile bonus would bother me so greatly that I would consider "taking a break to spend more time with my famliy."
And Target painter?? This is useless in fleet battles where the focus damage is already way over the top of what a ship can take in 10 seconds. The lock time of a BS wont allow it to provide any benefit that wont be balanced by the dexterity required to pull it off.
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.06.25 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: fmercury on 25/06/2006 17:50:26
Originally by: Ithildin
Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built
Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built
Arbitrator, Curse, Pilgrim, Bellicose. But you're right, an amarr drone BS would be overpowered.
Minmatar might be too, +50% TP bonus + rage torps for the win 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.25 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
minmatar Bs: vagaBS 
<3
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.25 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/06/2006 17:59:04
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Hast
minmatar Bs: vagaBS
<3
How can something so BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG move so fast? 
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.06.25 18:43:00 -
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Look. The Amarr tier 3 BS is going to represent either the Arbitrator or the Augoror.
If it represents the augoror it's going to get a energy transfer bonus. Which means the Augoror is going to be the toaster, because it looks like one, and the Abaddon will be the microwave (in the kitchen setting).
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Put in space whales!
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.25 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/06/2006 17:59:04
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Hast
minmatar Bs: vagaBS
<3
How can something so BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG move so fast?
No, thanks. Vaga is unique, it should stay that way. And I have the feeling people would stick 7 WCS on it while still being as effective as a vaga or raven in combat.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.25 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kitti Kenzaki
Originally by: Laboratus
Huh?
Drop the enemy targeting range to 20km and fight him in 7 km range?
A better bonus would be sensor damp range and hybrid range, but prolly it won't get range boni on hybrids. I hope it will be Sensor damp effectiveness 5% and range 10%. That would be cool
Drop enemy's targeting range to force it in close range fight is not so dumb.
It's not dumb per se, but it would be more usefull if the gallanteans finally got a ship that could reach out and touch someone with EW on the same ranges as Rook and Scorpion. Therefore, I'd love a dedicated Sensor damp BS. a 6/8/6 slot layout or something.
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booh
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Posted - 2006.06.25 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54
Minmatar:
Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
Hmm... if they give us an 8 launcher slot boat... i really don't mind training missiles, since i have trained all the other stuff that you need as Minmatar...
But i still hope this is a joke 
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.25 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: booh
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54
Minmatar:
Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus.
Hmm... if they give us an 8 launcher slot boat... i really don't mind training missiles, since i have trained all the other stuff that you need as Minmatar...
But i still hope this is a joke
Minmatar philosophy is preserved though.
Phoon - missile/turret bastard bonuses.
Tempest - pure gunnery
Tier 3 - ewar-gang support/missile, maybe 6-4 missile-turret hardpoints and 6/6/8 high/mid/low layout?
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EL TITAN
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Posted - 2006.06.25 22:57:00 -
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minnie need a 8 turret slot BS, to be in par with the other races ;p
oh and give caldari a mining bonus bs to make jenny happy pls thaks ;o
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xaioguai
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Posted - 2006.06.26 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Minmatar philosophy is preserved though.
Phoon - missile/turret bastard bonuses.
Tempest - pure gunnery
Tier 3 - ewar-gang support/missile, maybe 6-4 missile-turret hardpoints and 6/6/8 high/mid/low layout?
hmm........in that case, i want it be be 8/8/6 layout
8 launchers with rof bonus
8 mids so can fit enough tp and some form of tank unlike stupid cyclone
4 low with bcu2 and wcs 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Loki
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Balklanac
I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles
6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints.
8/6/6?
for the sex
An 8/6/6 6launcher layout?
Meh, people will still ***** about the Raven being a missile BS with ewar and armor tank.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Epsilon 1
Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters.
You're not going to BBQ a BC, let alone anything SMALLER than one, with Rage torps and painters only, EVER.
Paint those cruisers and BCs all you want, rage torps are still going to have illogically slow explosions.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus.
What you are really trying to tell us with this is that you have no f-king idea right? Another possibility lmao.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Loki
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Balklanac
I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles
6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints.
8/6/6?
for the sex
An 8/6/6 6launcher layout?
Meh, people will still ***** about the Raven being a missile BS with ewar and armor tank.
Welcome to the world of trying to explain to people that tier 3 Amarr drone BShip is not good for EVE.
New sig coming soonÖ
By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year" |
Minama
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
As for the caldari BS optimal range and shield resist makes it a weird combo ,kinda liek the eagle but hting is rails need a dmg increase tbh i rather sacrifice my shield resist in order to get more dmg sicne it doenst matter diddly squat when ur sniping at an enemy fleet but thats just meh
You people keep forgetting that shield tank = med slot = plenty of free low slot for damage mods and tracking enchansers, 50% opitmum + 2x-3x tech 2 magstabs > 25% damage bonus, and at a longer range.
[SLI]Minama
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Minama
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
As for the caldari BS optimal range and shield resist makes it a weird combo ,kinda liek the eagle but hting is rails need a dmg increase tbh i rather sacrifice my shield resist in order to get more dmg sicne it doenst matter diddly squat when ur sniping at an enemy fleet but thats just meh
You people keep forgetting that shield tank = med slot = plenty of free low slot for damage mods and tracking enchansers, 50% opitmum + 2x-3x tech 2 magstabs > 25% damage bonus, and at a longer range.
Well... that and with 8 turrets you'll be doing 91.5% the damage of a level 5 Megathron without having to train Battleship skills at all. It's not about the ship bonuses, it's about the sum of the fitting and bonuses.
That is to say at level five, 91.5% the damage of a Megathron with one half again the range and taking 75% the damage, while having only about two thirds the tracking and being markedly slower and less agile.
New sig coming soonÖ
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus.
What you are really trying to tell us with this is that you have no f-king idea right? Another possibility lmao.
Not really. Because if my initial idea wasnt good then I chose bonuses from traditional Minmatar ships. Look at Minmatar cruisers/frigates for an idea though I still think mine is more useful for Minmatar tier 3 BS.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.06.26 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus.
What you are really trying to tell us with this is that you have no f-king idea right? Another possibility lmao.
Not really. Because if my initial idea wasnt good then I chose bonuses from traditional Minmatar ships. Look at Minmatar cruisers/frigates for an idea though I still think mine is more useful for Minmatar tier 3 BS.
Well looking at the minmataer cruisers/frigs i don't see a missile bonus :).
Give us the stabber big brother :)
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2006.06.26 08:49:00 -
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make the tempest the stabbers big brother and make the new mini bs what it looks like: a real BATTLE ship with much natural armor or shield hp, a tanking bonus for first bonus and a 8-turret layout with a dmg bonus for its second bonus.
something like: 8/8/4 8 turrets 2 launchers, 7500shield HP
+10%/lvl to shield boosting amounth
+5%/lvl to projectile damage.
or replace mids & low as well as shield for armor...
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