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Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Guess ;p Caldari: Large rail optimal and shield resist. Gallente: Sensor dampening and large turret dmg. Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. die
Laocoon	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:46:00 - [3] OmGz0R H0w d1d y0u t3h no35z0r!?!?!?six - Lao Channels 'Bar Veto' (IC) & Public Channel 'Veto'
Sebroth	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. ----- Never knock on Death's door; ring the doorbell and run (he hates that)
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:50:00 - [5] Looks good to me. =P --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. die /signed
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:55:28 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. die /signed It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Sebroth Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. Rage torps for teh win.
korrey	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:59:00 - [9] If only Amarr's didnt look so ugly. :( oh well. Say anyone know the bonuses for the new Amarr Battlecruiser? It may just redeem the Amarr race.
Novarei	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:01:00 - [10] weird bonuses, but by god that caldari ship will own.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:55:28 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. die /signed It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus. i heard hell didnt want you becasue you were too evil? anyways signed to /die Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Ralus	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:04:00 - [12] I've already started to doing large hybrid turret lvl 5 to be able to use t2 large rails on the new caldari monster
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:05:00 - [13] ouch someone call an ambulance for Sarmaul :p - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig ouch someone call an ambulance for Sarmaul :p no worries he just did /respec caldari ;P Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:07:00 - [15] Target painting and Cruise/Siege ROF arent bad... Think about DPS and gang support. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Montero	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:10:00 - [16] Edited by: Montero on 24/06/2006 15:10:39 yay for a totaly worthless min BS. oh wait. i agree with them all but that one... edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Target painting and Cruise/Siege ROF arent bad... Think about DPS and gang support. give the typhoon 2 more missile slots then and loose the ac bonus minnies dont really need 2 BS with missile bonuses Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Tassi	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:13:00 - [18] Edited by: Tassi on 24/06/2006 15:13:46 jenny can I have a cheap vagabond? EDIT: ehhhh Zealot?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Tassi Edited by: Tassi on 24/06/2006 15:13:46 jenny can I have a cheap vagabond? EDIT: ehhhh Zealot? Dont have Zealot BPO yet. Ask me in many moons from now. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Balklanac	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:17:00 - [20] I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles -------------------------------
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. I don't think most turret users realize just how powerful this combination is. I hope the bonus is to projectile turrets otherwise this boat is gonna et nerfed real fast. Caldari - BS idea
jamesw	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:23:00 - [22] where did this info come from? -- NEW Vid: Watch Things Die
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:28:00 - [24] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 15:29:09 Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. I don't think most turret users realize just how powerful this combination is. I hope the bonus is to projectile turrets otherwise this boat is gonna et nerfed real fast. /me wants to join Team Minmatar EDIT: Not very powerful... ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:29:00 - [25] /me starts training torps 5
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. I don't think most turret users realize just how powerful this combination is. I hope the bonus is to projectile turrets otherwise this boat is gonna et nerfed real fast. i am very well aware how powerful it is, doesnt mean i want it Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? ok, that would be ebil if it had the fitting
13th	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:39:00 - [28] Aww, I was hoping for a double target painting bonus.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Montero Edited by: Montero on 24/06/2006 15:10:39 yay for a totaly worthless min BS. oh wait. i agree with them all but that one... edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus. Your thron doesnt have natural resists. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Novarei	Posted - 2006.06.24 15:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Montero edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus. But this can do it easier...
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2006.06.24 16:46:00 - [31] I think the Amarr one is confirmed to be a long range turret boat. A drone ship that can fit 8 tachs would be a tad overpowered... Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Blighter	Posted - 2006.06.24 16:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Novarei Originally by: Montero edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus. But this can do it easier... Meh, the optimal rail bonus doubles as a ghetto damage bonus. It allows you to hit targets farther away, and, It allows you to use your more damageing ammo's sooner. So as where a railboat Mega would be in range of using Lead ammo, the Caldai ship would be in range of using Anti-matter.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.24 16:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Blighter Originally by: Novarei Originally by: Montero edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus. But this can do it easier... Meh, the optimal rail bonus doubles as a ghetto damage bonus. It allows you to hit targets farther away, and, It allows you to use your more damageing ammo's sooner. So as where a railboat Mega would be in range of using Lead ammo, the Caldai ship would be in range of using Anti-matter. would make so much sense. Unfortunately, one word screws it up. SPIKE
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 16:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Jon Xylur I think the Amarr one is confirmed to be a long range turret boat. A drone ship that can fit 8 tachs would be a tad overpowered... Not really. Balanced by slot layout, grid and cpu. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 16:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 16:54:45 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Blighter Originally by: Novarei Originally by: Montero edit: and large rail optimal is kinda useless, my thron can easily hit to the 249km lock range cap with no bonus. But this can do it easier... Meh, the optimal rail bonus doubles as a ghetto damage bonus. It allows you to hit targets farther away, and, It allows you to use your more damageing ammo's sooner. So as where a railboat Mega would be in range of using Lead ammo, the Caldai ship would be in range of using Anti-matter. would make so much sense. Unfortunately, one word screws it up. SPIKE A separate matter. T2 ammos should be damage bonus and minor penalty because other positive bonuses should be from skills, mods and ship bonus. As it is now, T2 ammos screw up PvP because all bonuses stack with skills, mods and ship. Balancing role, ships, range and damage is really hard. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Shadowsword	Posted - 2006.06.24 17:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire [Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. The Abaddon has 7 or 8 guns, as shown in the last video, so a 10% cap reduction/lvl is a given. That or a capacitor twice as big as others BS, and that's not going to happen... ------------------------------------------ Don't make War, War is messy. Make love instead, so your kids will do the War part for you.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.24 17:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Guess ;p Caldari: Large rail optimal and shield resist. Gallente: Sensor dampening and large turret dmg. Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. It'll be 15% shield resists per level and 25% range per level for Caldari too. They want us gatecamping with AM.
Wilfan Ret'nub	Posted - 2006.06.24 17:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? That's a ship that would displace Raven. But it would not be a good Tier 3 fleet battleship.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.24 17:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? That's a ship that would displace Raven. But it would not be a good Tier 3 fleet battleship. They wont canibalised Tempest. In fleet, painters work for everyone. Good EWAR support platform, IMHO. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Grey Area	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:40:00 - [40] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? Do you think if they actually GET this, that the Minmatar might stop whining about nerfing missiles? Monty Pythons spoof of the EVE Forums; Palin: "Is this the right room for an argument?" Cleese: "I've told you once."
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? Do you think if they actually GET this, that the Minmatar might stop whining about nerfing missiles? Not really, It will still blow. A Minmatar raven, who needs that? Whine whine whine, sigs
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:07:00 - [42] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? Do you think if they actually GET this, that the Minmatar might stop whining about nerfing missiles? Not really, It will still blow. A Minmatar raven, who needs that? I'll fly it. Especially if it armor tanks.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Guess ;p Caldari: Large rail optimal and shield resist. Gallente: Sensor dampening and large turret dmg. Good Quote: Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. Bad. Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built New sig coming soonÖ Tuxford's good for EVE.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Ithildin Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. Bad. Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built A missile based BS with a bonus to TP's would definetly not fall under the category of underpowered - _____
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:21:00 - [45] Say yes to target painter bonuses! Actually, cruise missiles and target painters can be a pretty deadly combo I think, especially them precision cruise missiles. Originally by: Ithildin Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built What do you mean non-Amarr built? The Amarr have the Arbitrator class and its derivatives. Don't know if it will be overpowered, I'm waiting to see the CPU and Grid on this one. ___________________
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Ithildin Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. Bad. Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built A missile based BS with a bonus to TP's would definetly not fall under the category of underpowered But definitly doesn't fall into the minmatar wishlist. Whine whine whine, sigs
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Originally by: Ithildin Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built What do you mean non-Amarr built? The Amarr have the Arbitrator class and its derivatives. Don't know if it will be overpowered, I'm waiting to see the CPU and Grid on this one. If you read the description for the Arbitrator, you'd understand. Additionally, the EM drones, which happen to be the Amarrian drones, are also the worst possible drones out there - slow and low damage combined with lowest hit points. Besides this, we've got the Dominix - a Gallentean drone ship at tier one. Do you really think Amarr will get a drone ship TWO tiers higher than the DRONE RACE OF EVE!? Also, Tuxford said they'd not be like any existing BShips. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Prestis	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:29:00 - [48] Edited by: Prestis on 24/06/2006 23:32:42 Well anything with projectile bonuses will make the Tempest redundant, so I'm hoping for a dedicated Minmatar tier 3 drone boat. Something like +5% drone damage, +7.5% armor repping. 150m3 drone bay will do. A missile boat would be a disapointment, what with all the extra skills to max out. Matari are bad enough for that already. Drones you pretty much have to train anyway. But if they're really going for something different, a BS with a speed bonus could be fun. It would have to be much lighter too though or that's pointless.
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.06.24 23:49:00 - [49] Edited by: Sovy Kurosei on 24/06/2006 23:49:39 Originally by: Ithildin If you read the description for the Arbitrator, you'd understand. Originally by: The Guide The Arbitrator is unusual for Amarr ships in that it's primarily a drone carrier. While it is not the best carrier around, it has superior armor that gives it greater durability than most ships in its class. Uhh, it is unusual but not impossible for the Amarr to build primarily drone ships? And what about the drone bay for the Armageddon, it is equal to the Megathron. Originally by: Ithildin Additionally, the EM drones, which happen to be the Amarrian drones, are also the worst possible drones out there - slow and low damage combined with lowest hit points. One, is there any prime fiction that says that Amarr make poor drones? Cause we could always chalk it up to the drones being poorly balanced with regards to the other drone types. Two, just because Amarr have crappy drones doesn't mean they can't produce drone ships. This is like saying that Group A makes better airports than Group B, so therefore Group B's aircraft must be inferior to Group A's. Originally by: Ithildin Besides this, we've got the Dominix - a Gallentean drone ship at tier one. Do you really think Amarr will get a drone ship TWO tiers higher than the DRONE RACE OF EVE!? Why not? ___________________
Noriath	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:03:00 - [50] The Amarr ship will not have a drone bonus, since it has 8 turret hardpoints already, which any one of you can check out by watching the "No Other Destiny" video in the official video section, which shows off the ship blasting away with 8 lasers. The Caldari ship will not have an optimal bonus. CCP has removed the optimal range bonus from the Typhoon which already was the only battleship that was getting one. Battleships with full turrets and optimal bonuses would make fleetbattles and long range ganking even more ridiculous then it is right now, and if CCP has any sense of what game balance means they will never go there.
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:07:00 - [51] i truly hope the caldari bonuses are optimal and DAMAGE, not shield resist. ______________ Pod from above.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire A separate matter. T2 ammos should be damage bonus and minor penalty because other positive bonuses should be from skills, mods and ship bonus. As it is now, T2 ammos screw up PvP because all bonuses stack with skills, mods and ship. Balancing role, ships, range and damage is really hard. E.g. Amarr, instead of normal EM Thermal damage. Can give them Kinetic as third bonus. Bleh. T1 damage, special effect and no penalty..
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:11:00 - [53] i want cookies
Benglada	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:34:00 - [54] if amarr get a better droneboat then gal imma cry It can fit more nos i dont care, it can have a better tank, i dont care. but for the love of god no more then 2 midslots :P --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Rawthorm	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:46:00 - [55] IMO the caldari rail boat needs a tracking bonus, not a range one.
xaioguai	Posted - 2006.06.25 01:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. die and again and again and again..........
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.25 02:19:00 - [57] An amarr drone boat would be ridiculously overpowered. I'd love it, but I doubt it will happen based on the new official vid. 8 turrets and an assload of drones... imagine how fun a laser rof bonus and a drone bonus would be. Tons of EM for sheilds and tons of explo for armor. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Murukan	Posted - 2006.06.25 02:27:00 - [58] That minmatar bs with 6 missle points and a painter bonus would be pretty good. Would basically be a raven/huggin mix so rage torps would be quite nasty in 1v1. I'de rather have a turret boat though cause missles are lame
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.06.25 02:47:00 - [59] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. you mean tp falloff bonus+tp optimal range bonus :P
Killer Dragon	Posted - 2006.06.25 05:28:00 - [60] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Jenny Spitfire [Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. The Abaddon has 7 or 8 guns, as shown in the last video, so a 10% cap reduction/lvl is a given. That or a capacitor twice as big as others BS, and that's not going to happen... WHat video?
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.25 05:48:00 - [61] Originally by: Killer Dragon Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Jenny Spitfire [Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. The Abaddon has 7 or 8 guns, as shown in the last video, so a 10% cap reduction/lvl is a given. That or a capacitor twice as big as others BS, and that's not going to happen... WHat video? No other destiny Whine whine whine, sigs
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2006.06.25 06:26:00 - [62] Yeah...give us Amarr another gunboat. We aren't allowed to have anything else =P --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.06.25 08:49:00 - [63] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Guess ;p Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. Just pod yourself ....
Ephemeron	Posted - 2006.06.25 08:59:00 - [64] I think the target painting bonus on minmatar bs would be good if it was +10% per level, not +5%. There are many specialized +10 bonuses, like tracking, range, EW strength, drone damage
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.06.25 09:10:00 - [65] Well i think the mini bonus is just fitting , even if it is makes em weaker i dotn care , i hate em anyway :P As for the caldari BS optimal range and shield resist makes it a weird combo ,kinda liek the eagle but hting is rails need a dmg increase tbh i rather sacrifice my shield resist in order to get more dmg sicne it doenst matter diddly squat when ur sniping at an enemy fleet but thats just meh . Gallnte one is deffo gonan be a blaster boat i recon sicne sensor dampoening and turret dmg will make a nice combo so its cool. Amarr one is a big I am pretty sure it looked liek a nice gun boat and i was hoping it would get soem turret bonus but drone bonus also wracks it to the close raneg setups category unless we play with sentries . The minin will be the minmatar version of he raven and tbh Target paintign plus cruise or torps is quite a nasty thing spechialy if ur usign T2 cruise or torps so i 'd say its cool for those having 10 mill in missiles . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
xeom	Posted - 2006.06.25 09:19:00 - [66] A minie raven wouldn't be that bad.Hell with a armor tank i would LOVE it. Also on the side of the amarr " Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist." Holy crap time to train amarr.That thing should crush anything pfft who needs the domi. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.06.25 09:24:00 - [67] Originally by: xeom A minie raven wouldn't be that bad.Hell with a armor tank i would LOVE it. Also on the side of the amarr " Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist." Holy crap time to train amarr.That thing should crush anything pfft who needs the domi. Oii , dont u start on the domi on a side not o/ "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.25 09:47:00 - [68] :-/ actually I would like to see a 7.5% to Rof and 5% to Tracking or 7.5% Rof/10% to Drone Damage and HP
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:04:00 - [69] Giving Amarr the best drone ship, Minmtar the bets missile ship and Caldari the ebst turret ship would kinda screw the race's roles. And Gallente would be left with a sucky damp ship. Caldari will be a railgun sniping platform. Thet's pretty much confirmed. For the rest, Gallenet will probbaly be a dmap ship. I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version. For Minmatar, no idea but hopefully not a sucky painter ship. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: xeom A minie raven wouldn't be that bad.Hell with a armor tank i would LOVE it. Also on the side of the amarr " Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist." Holy crap time to train amarr.That thing should crush anything pfft who needs the domi. Oii , dont u start on the domi on a side not o/ The Real Abaddon King of locusts... Drones, armor tanking, ... Yum yum. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:09:00 - [71] we aint getting mining bs's? -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Loki	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:12:00 - [72] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? for the sex
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: xeom A minie raven wouldn't be that bad.Hell with a armor tank i would LOVE it. Also on the side of the amarr " Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist." Holy crap time to train amarr.That thing should crush anything pfft who needs the domi. Oii , dont u start on the domi on a side not o/ The Real Abaddon King of locusts... Drones, armor tanking, ... Yum yum. /me likes this description a lot Ty jenny "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: xeom A minie raven wouldn't be that bad.Hell with a armor tank i would LOVE it. Also on the side of the amarr " Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist." Holy crap time to train amarr.That thing should crush anything pfft who needs the domi. Oii , dont u start on the domi on a side not o/ The Real Abaddon King of locusts... Drones, armor tanking, ... Yum yum. /me likes this description a lot Ty jenny Welcome. Anything to make the community happy. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Forsch	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:55:00 - [75] Originally by: Jon Xylur I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version. The arbitrator is tech1. Also the tier3 battleships aren't supposed to be better than the other two tiers, just different. I don't see a problem in giving the Amarrians a drone ship, it doesn't mean it is better than the dominix. You all seem to be thinking these are official stats. Aren't those just guesses, Jenny? As some have said already, the Abaddon (sp?) has 8 turret slots according to the video. There is no way it won't have a laser cap reduction bonus. Looking at the other drone ships currently in game I doubt a boat with a full rack of turrets will have a drone bonus. Too bad really, cause I was really hoping for a big arbitrator. Forsch Defender of the empire More love for side factions!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:57:00 - [76] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/06/2006 11:59:15 Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Jon Xylur I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version. The arbitrator is tech1. Also the tier3 battleships aren't supposed to be better than the other two tiers, just different. I don't see a problem in giving the Amarrians a drone ship, it doesn't mean it is better than the dominix. You all seem to be thinking these are official stats. Aren't those just guesses, Jenny? As some have said already, the Abaddon (sp?) has 8 turret slots according to the video. There is no way it won't have a laser cap reduction bonus. Looking at the other drone ships currently in game I doubt a boat with a full rack of turrets will have a drone bonus. Too bad really, cause I was really hoping for a big arbitrator. Yaaaar, only guesses. Who knows, CCP can still change them. They arent out yet... Slot could be 6/4/8 for high, mid, low. 4 turrets, 1 missile hardpoint? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:03:00 - [77] Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Jon Xylur I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version. The arbitrator is tech1. Also the tier3 battleships aren't supposed to be better than the other two tiers, just different. I don't see a problem in giving the Amarrians a drone ship, it doesn't mean it is better than the dominix. You all seem to be thinking these are official stats. Aren't those just guesses, Jenny? As some have said already, the Abaddon (sp?) has 8 turret slots according to the video. There is no way it won't have a laser cap reduction bonus. Looking at the other drone ships currently in game I doubt a boat with a full rack of turrets will have a drone bonus. Too bad really, cause I was really hoping for a big arbitrator. I got nps with amarrs gettign a droen boat i just have a problem acceptign it on story lien basis , the amarr as a race are not drone masters as the galalntes who solely have the extensive knoweldge to make thie ships utilize droens as a weapon more effectivly than any other race , as far as story line goes for me its like having a gallnate BS or BC with bonus to laser turrets I dunno if i am the only one seeing this but it doenst sound right to me at all just on history basis . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:27:00 - [78] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I got nps with amarrs gettign a droen boat i just have a problem acceptign it on story lien basis , the amarr as a race are not drone masters as the galalntes who solely have the extensive knoweldge to make thie ships utilize droens as a weapon more effectivly than any other race , as far as story line goes for me its like having a gallnate BS or BC with bonus to laser turrets I dunno if i am the only one seeing this but it doenst sound right to me at all just on history basis . Storyline? I think Amarr have been stealing enough tech secrets to know how to build a decent drone ship. Minmatar have been stealing enough tech secrets to know how to build a proper missile ship than the phoon. Prime fiction isnt hard to add if you really want to. Also solved many whinings... Weekend BS miners: Caldari - Tier 3 Amarr - Tier 1/2 Gallente - Tier 1/2 Minmatar - Tier 2 NPC/Agent runners: Caldari - Tier 2 Amarr - Tier 3 (drones do all damage types) Gallente - Tier 1 Minmatar - Tier 3 PvP: Narf T2 ammos first. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
000Hunter000	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:27:00 - [79] Hurray to ccp for making the caldari Tier3 BS pointless!!! (yes i'm beeing sarcastic) Banner will be updated shortly
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:27:00 - [80] my pants are happy that jenny is NOT responsible for making the tier3 SB bonuses / and balancing if you want minni's to have a raven then remodel the typhoon into one and amarr are not going to get a droneboat >_> Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:32:00 - [81] Originally by: Tiuwaz my pants are happy that jenny is NOT responsible for making the tier3 SB bonuses / and balancing if you want minni's to have a raven then remodel the typhoon into one and amarr are not going to get a droneboat >_> Arbitrator is a drone cruiser... Phoon is a bastard child. Doubt that ship will find a place. Besides, a tier 1 missile spamming BS will be scary. If only T2 ammos are nerfed and fights are a little closer, the phoon will be a good close range BS and pest a long range BS, methinks. Target painting and missiles will be a good support? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:40:00 - [82] the amarr not getting a droneboat is mainly referring to the vid with the abbaddon firing 8 lasers, theorethically i wouldnt mind, but well, either it will be more powerful than domi (making gallente whine) or it will be less powerfull than domi (making amarr whine) if the minni BS with targetpainintg bonus gets only 4-5 launchers than its typhoon mk2, if it gets 6 launchers or more than its an uber raven with wtfkillingeverythinginssight i dont want either, we already use alot of missiles i dont want a 2nd BS besides the phoon with an emphasis on missiles not to mention that the beellicose/huginn designline goes with splitspec weaponsystems Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Adam Weishaupt	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:40:00 - [83] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. They just changed the Typhoon to have a Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. A target painting bonus would be okay, but I'd hope it would have more than four launchers :P Personally I was hoping for something a little more unique, like a NOS bonus, drone bonus, or ECM bonus. Why should the Caldari have a monopoly on bonuses to a huge part of PVP?
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:42:00 - [84] Minmatar with 6 missile slots and a ROF bonus? I sincerely hope it doesn't have the cpu to fit 6 siege II.
Tessen	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:44:00 - [85] The problem is each race already have a BS according with her main combat philosophy. According to logic, Tiers 3 ships have to be most powerfull ship according with his race. So that new tier 3 ship will become best ship out of his race philosophy of become redundant with curent BS. /me expect a complete reroll on ships stats. - Abaddon become main laser plateform replacing Arma - Apoc stay as it is : a blockauss - Arma become a drone plateform a little bit weaker than Gallente one loosing 1 or 2 turrets. - Raven become tier 3 Caldari BS - Scorp tiers 2 - ex Tiers 3 Calda BS become tier 1 and get Rail spec (rail = long range where tanking is less important pilots will have to make a choice : ganking or tanking considering Tier 1 stats. CCP should appreciate it considering they don't like sniping at 249km) - Tiers 3 Gallante BS become new Gallente Drone ship - Mega stay as Tiers 2 turret ship - Domi change his bonuses to ... whatever, we don't care /jk (maybee EW ship (weaker than Scorp that become a tier 2) or MWD/blaster ship heavy fire power but weak) About minmatar, I don't realy know what they need. They have a projo ship and an hybrid projo/launcher. I would say they need a full launcher ship considering they are kind of jake-of-all-trade in Eve : turrets and missiles, armor and shield. - Tempest become Tier 3 ship - Typhoon tier 2 or stay tier 1 - ex tier 3 become tier 1 or 2 with full launcher and target painter bonuse. As a tier 1 it could have a very good DPS but as I suggest for Calda, the ship will have tier 1 stat (Grid/CPU) so the fit would be compicated. An other way for Matari is giving them a solid tanking ship as Apoc is for their prime ennemies : Amarrs Note : We I know, those are sweet dreams, I know it is impossible 'cause changes on curent BSs cannot be justified in backgroud. However imo this will simplify the Tiers 3 BSs introducing.
Balklanac	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:46:00 - [86] What sort of a TP bonus is it exactly? -------------------------------
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:54:00 - [87] I honestly think people are getting confused here. Where exactly was it said that teir 3 bs had to be bigger, more powerful, have more grid/cpu, than the tier 2? Something along those lines would pretty much obselete tier 1 and probably teir 2 bs in some cases, something which I'm not sure CCP would want. Personally I see the tier 3 bs as being ultra-modern niche filler BS, not being the biggest and the meanest but fullfilling a combat role that the tier 1 and tier 2 bs of each race currently do not. For amarr, thats drones, for gal, thats damps and blasters, for caldari, thats rails, for minnie, thats ****ty bonuses. get my drift? -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:12:00 - [88] Originally by: Bentguru For gal, thats damps and blasters Huh? Drop the enemy targeting range to 20km and fight him in 7 km range? A better bonus would be sensor damp range and hybrid range, but prolly it won't get range boni on hybrids. I hope it will be Sensor damp effectiveness 5% and range 10%. That would be cool
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:26:00 - [89] ** YEAH amarr & minmatar bs 5 4tw Originally by:** Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Hast	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:37:00 - [90] minmatar Bs: vagaBS currently hibernating
Stanis	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:42:00 - [91] This is stupid :P
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:55:00 - [92] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Jon Xylur I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version. The arbitrator is tech1. Also the tier3 battleships aren't supposed to be better than the other two tiers, just different. I don't see a problem in giving the Amarrians a drone ship, it doesn't mean it is better than the dominix. You all seem to be thinking these are official stats. Aren't those just guesses, Jenny? As some have said already, the Abaddon (sp?) has 8 turret slots according to the video. There is no way it won't have a laser cap reduction bonus. Looking at the other drone ships currently in game I doubt a boat with a full rack of turrets will have a drone bonus. Too bad really, cause I was really hoping for a big arbitrator. I got nps with amarrs gettign a droen boat i just have a problem acceptign it on story lien basis , the amarr as a race are not drone masters as the galalntes who solely have the extensive knoweldge to make thie ships utilize droens as a weapon more effectivly than any other race , as far as story line goes for me its like having a gallnate BS or BC with bonus to laser turrets I dunno if i am the only one seeing this but it doenst sound right to me at all just on history basis . I agree with ya mate . I don¦t want to see everyone piloting a ship that is equal to caldari or amar,galente. We need diferences in the races figthing styles not ,all the same *** diferent model. For me make the tier3 matari ship a fast AC machine :5% large turrets ROF and a 5% to AB /agility/warpcore stabilizer/smart bomb range i dont care ,make them diferent. And say no to TP bonus :(...
BuSHiDo ZiN	Posted - 2006.06.25 15:14:00 - [93] Seeing as everyone's thrilled and speculating about the guesses, I'll offer what I think CCP will do, based on the current trends Caldari: 19% increase to large hybrid firing speed/lvl 10% increase to shield resistances/lvl Gallente: 25% increase to large hybrid damage/lvl +10000m3 increase to drone bay/lvl +1 additional drone controlled/lvl Amarr: 10% reduction in Armor Rep Capacitor Usage 10% reduction in Armor Rep Cycle Length Minmatar: 10% increase in max velocity/lvl 20% bonus to scanner resolution/lvl No matter how well you know what a person has done And what he thought he was doing when he did it And what he now thinks of what he did, It is impossible to be certain of what he will do next.
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.06.25 15:18:00 - [94] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Forsch Originally by: Jon Xylur I seriously doubt they'd make Amarr the new best drone race just because thye ahve 1 drone carrying cruiser and it's tech 2 version. The arbitrator is tech1. Also the tier3 battleships aren't supposed to be better than the other two tiers, just different. I don't see a problem in giving the Amarrians a drone ship, it doesn't mean it is better than the dominix. You all seem to be thinking these are official stats. Aren't those just guesses, Jenny? As some have said already, the Abaddon (sp?) has 8 turret slots according to the video. There is no way it won't have a laser cap reduction bonus. Looking at the other drone ships currently in game I doubt a boat with a full rack of turrets will have a drone bonus. Too bad really, cause I was really hoping for a big arbitrator. I got nps with amarrs gettign a droen boat i just have a problem acceptign it on story lien basis , the amarr as a race are not drone masters as the galalntes who solely have the extensive knoweldge to make thie ships utilize droens as a weapon more effectivly than any other race , as far as story line goes for me its like having a gallnate BS or BC with bonus to laser turrets I dunno if i am the only one seeing this but it doenst sound right to me at all just on history basis . I agree with ya mate . I don¦t want to see everyone piloting a ship that is equal to caldari or amar,galente. We need diferences in the races figthing styles not ,all the same * diferent model. For me make the tier3 matari ship a fast AC machine :5% large turrets ROF and a 5% to AB /agility/warpcore stabilizer/smart bomb range i dont care ,make them diferent. And say no to TP bonus :(... Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters. Originally by:** Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.06.25 15:38:00 - [95] Quote: Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters. Think about it: Super ligth,super fast AC BS ,a big brother of the stabber ;)
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.06.25 15:39:00 - [96] Originally by: Pesadel0 Quote: Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters. Think about it: Super ligth,super fast AC BS ,a big brother of the stabber ;) ye, I get the wood but it ain't happening Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Sniser	Posted - 2006.06.25 15:42:00 - [97] i would love some role changes in amarr too armageddon drone ship apoc armor resist abaddon the new dmg bs with rof
Rawr Cristina	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:50:00 - [98] if the geddon is changed in any way i think i'll cry. my favourite battleship. i think the minmatar BS needs to be a howi boat 8 turrets and proj damage+falloff bonus mmmm instapopped (tempy is good sniper but better suited for shortrange imo) gallente already have the the most DPS in eve with great drones AND omgwtfblasters, i just hope their tier3 bs dosent have both or i'll cry (again) caldari railboat is nice tho, gives their bs nice variation (ew/missiles/guns)
Kitti Kenzaki	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:55:00 - [99] Originally by: Laboratus Huh? Drop the enemy targeting range to 20km and fight him in 7 km range? A better bonus would be sensor damp range and hybrid range, but prolly it won't get range boni on hybrids. I hope it will be Sensor damp effectiveness 5% and range 10%. That would be cool Drop enemy's targeting range to force it in close range fight is not so dumb.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:58:00 - [100] Originally by: Sniser i would love some role changes in amarr too armageddon drone ship apoc armor resist abaddon the new dmg bs with rof On that note, both model-wise and to a certain extent story-line-wise, the following should be done to Gallente: * Dominix -> Dampener ship (+2 mid, -2 low, trade drone bay with MegaT, drone bonus changed to dampener eff. bonus, other stats same, very good lock time) * Megathron -> Drone ship (+1 mid, -2 high, trade drone bay with Domi, tracking bonus changed to drone damage and hit points - note lack CPU to fit EWar setup effectively!) * The new "ButplugÖ" -> Blastership. (8 High (7/8 turret, 2 launcher), 5 Mid, 7 Low, 5% damage and -10% MWD cap nerf., very good agility) Incidentally, such a change would also make room for a tier 1 Amarr drone ship. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2006.06.25 17:49:00 - [101] I think the majority of us pilots living under the Minmatar Republic would have a serious issue of they decided to employ the weaponry of Caldari. We are not skilled in this area and it leaves nothing for us Tempest pilots to aspire towards. I suppose it would lend more credence to the idea that Minmatar are the most skilled pilots in the galaxy Missile bonus would bother me so greatly that I would consider "taking a break to spend more time with my famliy." And Target painter?? This is useless in fleet battles where the focus damage is already way over the top of what a ship can take in 10 seconds. The lock time of a BS wont allow it to provide any benefit that wont be balanced by the dexterity required to pull it off. ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
fmercury	Posted - 2006.06.25 17:49:00 - [102] Edited by: fmercury on 25/06/2006 17:50:26 Originally by: Ithildin Amarr is overpowered and non-Amarr built Minmatar is underpowered and non-Minmatar built Arbitrator, Curse, Pilgrim, Bellicose. But you're right, an amarr drone BS would be overpowered. Minmatar might be too, +50% TP bonus + rage torps for the win
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 17:51:00 - [103] Originally by: Hast minmatar Bs: vagaBS <3
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 17:59:00 - [104] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/06/2006 17:59:04 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Hast minmatar Bs: vagaBS <3 How can something so BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG move so fast? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:43:00 - [105] Look. The Amarr tier 3 BS is going to represent either the Arbitrator or the Augoror. If it represents the augoror it's going to get a energy transfer bonus. Which means the Augoror is going to be the toaster, because it looks like one, and the Abaddon will be the microwave (in the kitchen setting). --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:49:00 - [106] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 25/06/2006 17:59:04 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Hast minmatar Bs: vagaBS <3 How can something so BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG move so fast? No, thanks. Vaga is unique, it should stay that way. And I have the feeling people would stick 7 WCS on it while still being as effective as a vaga or raven in combat. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:07:00 - [107] Originally by: Kitti Kenzaki Originally by: Laboratus Huh? Drop the enemy targeting range to 20km and fight him in 7 km range? A better bonus would be sensor damp range and hybrid range, but prolly it won't get range boni on hybrids. I hope it will be Sensor damp effectiveness 5% and range 10%. That would be cool Drop enemy's targeting range to force it in close range fight is not so dumb. It's not dumb per se, but it would be more usefull if the gallanteans finally got a ship that could reach out and touch someone with EW on the same ranges as Rook and Scorpion. Therefore, I'd love a dedicated Sensor damp BS. a 6/8/6 slot layout or something.
booh	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:24:00 - [108] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. Hmm... if they give us an 8 launcher slot boat... i really don't mind training missiles, since i have trained all the other stuff that you need as Minmatar... But i still hope this is a joke
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:34:00 - [109] Originally by: booh Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Minmatar: Target painting and Cruise/Torp ROF bonus. Hmm... if they give us an 8 launcher slot boat... i really don't mind training missiles, since i have trained all the other stuff that you need as Minmatar... But i still hope this is a joke Minmatar philosophy is preserved though. Phoon - missile/turret bastard bonuses. Tempest - pure gunnery Tier 3 - ewar-gang support/missile, maybe 6-4 missile-turret hardpoints and 6/6/8 high/mid/low layout? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
EL TITAN	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:57:00 - [110] minnie need a 8 turret slot BS, to be in par with the other races ;p oh and give caldari a mining bonus bs to make jenny happy pls thaks ;o _________________________________________________ <3 hi
xaioguai	Posted - 2006.06.26 05:34:00 - [111] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar philosophy is preserved though. Phoon - missile/turret bastard bonuses. Tempest - pure gunnery Tier 3 - ewar-gang support/missile, maybe 6-4 missile-turret hardpoints and 6/6/8 high/mid/low layout? hmm........in that case, i want it be be 8/8/6 layout 8 launchers with rof bonus 8 mids so can fit enough tp and some form of tank unlike stupid cyclone 4 low with bcu2 and wcs
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.26 06:52:00 - [112] Originally by: Loki Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? for the sex An 8/6/6 6launcher layout? Meh, people will still ***** about the Raven being a missile BS with ewar and armor tank.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.26 06:55:00 - [113] Originally by: Epsilon 1 Think about it: rage torps + OmgBBQAnythingSmallerThanABcInOnevolley dual target painters. You're not going to BBQ a BC, let alone anything SMALLER than one, with Rage torps and painters only, EVER. Paint those cruisers and BCs all you want, rage torps are still going to have illogically slow explosions.
Fred0	Posted - 2006.06.26 07:01:00 - [114] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus. What you are really trying to tell us with this is that you have no f-king idea right? Another possibility lmao.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.06.26 07:24:00 - [115] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Loki Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Balklanac I think TP bonus and ROF cruise/torps actually works...depending on how many slots the ship gets for the missiles 6 missiles, 2 guns hardpoints. 8/6/6? for the sex An 8/6/6 6launcher layout? Meh, people will still ***** about the Raven being a missile BS with ewar and armor tank. Welcome to the world of trying to explain to people that tier 3 Amarr drone BShip is not good for EVE. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Minama	Posted - 2006.06.26 07:25:00 - [116] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel As for the caldari BS optimal range and shield resist makes it a weird combo ,kinda liek the eagle but hting is rails need a dmg increase tbh i rather sacrifice my shield resist in order to get more dmg sicne it doenst matter diddly squat when ur sniping at an enemy fleet but thats just meh You people keep forgetting that shield tank = med slot = plenty of free low slot for damage mods and tracking enchansers, 50% opitmum + 2x-3x tech 2 magstabs > 25% damage bonus, and at a longer range. [SLI]Minama Missiles are dull, rails are teh fun !
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.06.26 07:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Minama Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel As for the caldari BS optimal range and shield resist makes it a weird combo ,kinda liek the eagle but hting is rails need a dmg increase tbh i rather sacrifice my shield resist in order to get more dmg sicne it doenst matter diddly squat when ur sniping at an enemy fleet but thats just meh You people keep forgetting that shield tank = med slot = plenty of free low slot for damage mods and tracking enchansers, 50% opitmum + 2x-3x tech 2 magstabs > 25% damage bonus, and at a longer range. Well... that and with 8 turrets you'll be doing 91.5% the damage of a level 5 Megathron without having to train Battleship skills at all. It's not about the ship bonuses, it's about the sum of the fitting and bonuses. That is to say at level five, 91.5% the damage of a Megathron with one half again the range and taking 75% the damage, while having only about two thirds the tracking and being markedly slower and less agile. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.26 07:41:00 - [118] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus. What you are really trying to tell us with this is that you have no f-king idea right? Another possibility lmao. Not really. Because if my initial idea wasnt good then I chose bonuses from traditional Minmatar ships. Look at Minmatar cruisers/frigates for an idea though I still think mine is more useful for Minmatar tier 3 BS. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.06.26 08:01:00 - [119] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire It is a good bonus. Another possibility. Target painting and large projectile damage bonus. What you are really trying to tell us with this is that you have no f-king idea right? Another possibility lmao. Not really. Because if my initial idea wasnt good then I chose bonuses from traditional Minmatar ships. Look at Minmatar cruisers/frigates for an idea though I still think mine is more useful for Minmatar tier 3 BS. Well looking at the minmataer cruisers/frigs i don't see a missile bonus :). Give us the stabber big brother :)
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2006.06.26 08:49:00 - [120] make the tempest the stabbers big brother and make the new mini bs what it looks like: a real BATTLE ship with much natural armor or shield hp, a tanking bonus for first bonus and a 8-turret layout with a dmg bonus for its second bonus. something like: 8/8/4 8 turrets 2 launchers, 7500shield HP +10%/lvl to shield boosting amounth +5%/lvl to projectile damage. or replace mids & low as well as shield for armor...
Bermag	Posted - 2006.06.27 09:19:00 - [121] Edited by: Bermag on 27/06/2006 09:20:03 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/06/2006 14:57:54 Amarr: Drone bonus and armor resist. Yes and a 50 m3 drone bay probably It would be cool to get a BS version of Arbitrator but I am pretty sure it will be another gun boat.
kessah	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:03:00 - [122] Where did u get this information from? Terrible bonuses for caldari amarr and matari. I need turret bonuses! missles are for nubs. Was kinda hoping for a big ass alpha strike bonus on the matari one 10% dmg mod would be sweet as lol. Amarr arent drone carriers!! Give it a dmg bonus aswell muhahaha! -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.eve-files.com/media/0604/Forever_pirate.wmv[/ur
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:09:00 - [123] Originally by: kessah Where did u get this information from? Terrible bonuses for caldari amarr and matari. I need turret bonuses! missles are for nubs. Was kinda hoping for a big ass alpha strike bonus on the matari one 10% dmg mod would be sweet as lol. Amarr arent drone carriers!! Give it a dmg bonus aswell muhahaha! I think the OP was just made up. --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
Forsch	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:26:00 - [124] Originally by: Ortu Konsinni I think the OP was just made up. Jenny already said those stats are just guesses and in no way official. Funny how many still moan about what they think are facts. Forsch Defender of the empire More love for side factions!
Omega Bloodstone	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:18:00 - [125] a missle bonus on Mim. tier 3??? Has Mim become Caldari??? WTH!!! Turrent bonus please, let the Typhoon be the missle boat, let the tier three be the uber alpha strike steroid Tempest plz!!!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:25:00 - [126] Do you prefer the unofficial bonuses or the official bonuses? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Madcat Adams Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:28:00 - [127] Not that I dislike what the actual stats for the Abaddon are, but the drone/armour tank boat would have been so much more cool and intersting.

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