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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.03 12:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Paper Pusher
Its been over a WEEK? and still no Response to my Petition about the Rewards System being BROKEN.
If it wasnt "Broke" or was just a "nerf" I feel they would have at least responded to my Petition. That Implies to me there is a Problem and they have NO IDEA on what to do about it.
Do we have to do it as a "Report a Bug"?
I thinks its Strange that we havent herd ANY comment 1 way or the other , from anyone connected to CCP.
as other people have tried to explain to you the LP system for agent offers and the RP system for r&d agents are 2 completely separate entities and work in different ways.
For lps there is a table of offers that u receive random offers from depending on the number of lps u have. there are no limits to the number of people who can receive the same offer.
what people are expressing concern about in this thread is that the number of different types of offer in this table was reduced in the static update last week.
the r&d system works differently. there are a set number of bpos in each research field. when RMR was released last december a batch of new tech2 items were introduced into the game. each bpo is assigned to a research field and these bpos are then randomly allocated via a lottery system to people with rps in the relevant research field. once all the bpos associated with that research field have been allocated then the staus of that research field is changed to show "nothing easily predictable".
all the issue you have petitioned means is that all the tech2 bpos associated with the research fields in question have now been given out.
this is working exactly as intended.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:28:00 -
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are you the dev alt to say it works exactly as intended?
if it works as intended, then why different people get different SAME TYPE of offers from all of their agents
I could believe that for example each agent has now only 1 offer he ever offers, but then why all the agents give the same offer? At least one of them could have something different from 10 of others. It doesn't seems to be corp-related even as I have agents in different corps and divisions, and they all give ONLY the "gift for things" offers. Same for other character.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
are you the dev alt to say it works exactly as intended?
if it works as intended, then why different people get different SAME TYPE of offers from all of their agents
I could believe that for example each agent has now only 1 offer he ever offers, but then why all the agents give the same offer? At least one of them could have something different from 10 of others. It doesn't seems to be corp-related even as I have agents in different corps and divisions, and they all give ONLY the "gift for things" offers. Same for other character.
try reading my post.
i have agreed that the situation with LP offers is broken.
the person i was answering also seems to suggest that the r&d agents are broken as his research field shows "nothing easily predicted". it is the r&d aspect that i said is working correctly.
to repeat, try reading my post next time.
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Petit Faucon
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Petit Faucon on 04/07/2006 07:16:45
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
are you the dev alt to say it works exactly as intended?
if it works as intended, then why different people get different SAME TYPE of offers from all of their agents
I could believe that for example each agent has now only 1 offer he ever offers, but then why all the agents give the same offer? At least one of them could have something different from 10 of others. It doesn't seems to be corp-related even as I have agents in different corps and divisions, and they all give ONLY the "gift for things" offers. Same for other character.
moron.
is there any word on when they are gonna fix this? Is it actullay bugged, or are navy ship offers now just extremely rare?
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Sildar Ironheart
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:33:00 -
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Whee! Mining crystals! At least I've had a variety of different mining crystals offered as I accumulate more LPs. Out of the last 4ish offers I've had, only mining crystals. And more mining crystals. Wouldn't even mind some of the drug offers, I got some drugs from a few of the missions for the agent, might be able to use 'em. But no. Crystals. Oh, would you like some crystals? I've got plenty handy.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29
For lps there is a table of offers that u receive random offers from depending on the number of lps u have. there are no limits to the number of people who can receive the same offer.
what people are expressing concern about in this thread is that the number of different types of offer in this table was reduced in the static update last week.
I think it's not about the number of offers in the table, it's about the fact that some people only receive 1 offer from this table all the time. This offer gives different rewards (different mining crystals, different attribute implants etc) but it's still the same. Why should one man only receive attribute implants, other only mining crystals, and the other one - only connections books? Shouldn't they all receive random offers from the table instead?
I assumed your comment about working as intended applies to this behavior as well, hence my response. Excuse me if I've got it wrong.
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.04 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29
Originally by: Paper Pusher
Its been over a WEEK? and still no Response to my Petition about the Rewards System being BROKEN.
If it wasnt "Broke" or was just a "nerf" I feel they would have at least responded to my Petition. That Implies to me there is a Problem and they have NO IDEA on what to do about it.
Do we have to do it as a "Report a Bug"?
I thinks its Strange that we havent herd ANY comment 1 way or the other , from anyone connected to CCP.
as other people have tried to explain to you the LP system for agent offers and the RP system for r&d agents are 2 completely separate entities and work in different ways.
For lps there is a table of offers that u receive random offers from depending on the number of lps u have. there are no limits to the number of people who can receive the same offer.
what people are expressing concern about in this thread is that the number of different types of offer in this table was reduced in the static update last week.
the r&d system works differently. there are a set number of bpos in each research field. when RMR was released last december a batch of new tech2 items were introduced into the game. each bpo is assigned to a research field and these bpos are then randomly allocated via a lottery system to people with rps in the relevant research field. once all the bpos associated with that research field have been allocated then the staus of that research field is changed to show "nothing easily predictable".
all the issue you have petitioned means is that all the tech2 bpos associated with the research fields in question have now been given out.
this is working exactly as intended.
And then in your next Post you "Bark" at someone saying "Read what I wrote"
Thats TOO FUNNY becuase if you would have "READ WHAT I WROTE" you would realize you opened your mouth and Nothing Important came out.
As I had stated before.
I STILL havent had a response to my Petition (isnt this odd?)
and that Petition was about "ALL" Rewards being broke and part of my proof was (which you didnt deal with , you just didnt "READ WhAT I WROTE" is that ALL Races run out of BPC's (starship) ALL AT ONCE. You cant make me belive that that IS Possable so STOP trying to tell me how something works AND
READ WHAT I WROTE
You answer Nothing. You Give NO evidence.
You just state Opinions as though you "KNOW" something (which is VERY clear to me you dont) Becuase you dont work for CCP and you donr READ WHAT I WROTE
Can we have Factual statements? MIne were and yours werent.
ALL rewards ARE BROKEN. I dont care to hear another person come here and not READ WHAT I WROTE and say "Everything is the way its supposed to be"
WELL OBVIOUSLY IT ISNT
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.04 11:53:00 -
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perhaps CCP inadvertently changed the offer tables - little untested hotfix and undocumented quite often slip thro or they put things in on purpose to see how the game playerbase will react to changes if theres minimal complaints then they might leave or nerf or boost if players complain then stuff like the RAM chips only being on agent manufacturing agents (that caused t2 prices to go up so CCP added BPOs for RAM Chips) took em a few weeks to react tho and the same for advanced science skillbooks (were manufaturing agents) now they come from those and also at 8k LP offers.
CCP make untold changes quite often.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.04 12:55:00 -
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to paper pusher
no i dont work for CCP but having played the game for over 2 years, spend alot of time on the fourms, read every dev blog, read all the links to dev chats or interviews posted and most importantly follow closely any forum posts related to missions and mission changes i think i have a fairly good idea of how things work.
in a recent response from zrakor he indicated that one of their intentions was to remove alot of the deadwood from the lp offers table. this would focus on the offers that are rarely, if ever, accepted by players. it looks like this was done in the static update 2 weeks ago.
the end result of this has left a lack of variety in the offer table which is meaning people are getting the same type of offers repeated.
as far as your previous rants they seemed wholly focussed on the r&d system and the fact that your research agents were showing "nothing easily predictable" which is completely unrelated to loyalty points.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:01:00 -
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ok so they have refined a lot of hte offers and left the most popular without even tweaking existing ones or adding new ones - ah well lets just accept whats there and flood the market
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:22:00 -
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u might want to check paragraph 5 in the attached post by zrakor.
Linkage
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29
u might want to check paragraph 5 in the attached post by zrakor.
Linkage
ok .. let's try again.
pre-patch:
I get mining crystal offers and "gift..." offers and some others,
post-patch:
I get ONLY "gift..." offers,
But some other guy gets ONLY mining crystal offers.
Now tell me, if crystal offers weren't removed from the table, why dont' I get them at all? As well as some other good offers still in the table, like ship offers.
If they only removed crap offers we would still get different remaining offers. What we have now could only be caused by a new bug which causes offer system to not show all eligible offers to some (if not all) of people, only giving them one type of offer all the time.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.04 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Originally by: mrg29
u might want to check paragraph 5 in the attached post by zrakor.
Linkage
ok .. let's try again.
pre-patch:
I get mining crystal offers and "gift..." offers and some others,
post-patch:
I get ONLY "gift..." offers,
But some other guy gets ONLY mining crystal offers.
Now tell me, if crystal offers weren't removed from the table, why dont' I get them at all? As well as some other good offers still in the table, like ship offers.
If they only removed crap offers we would still get different remaining offers. What we have now could only be caused by a new bug which causes offer system to not show all eligible offers to some (if not all) of people, only giving them one type of offer all the time.
maybe coz its been less than 2 weeks since they changed it and the offers available at the range of lps u currently have dont include other offer types.
dont get me wrong here i am as unhappy about the current situation as u r.
over the last 12 months we have seen the variety of items available through lp offers reduced at almost every patch. alot of the offers previously available were so out of sync with market values that no-one in their right mind would take them.
what we have been left with is a situation where the limited nature of offers left means supply of certain items will increase, the price will drop thus making lps worth less. 120k lps gets u 8 +3 implants, using int implants as an example, a few weeks ago those 8 implants would have got u 250-300 mill on the market. now u r lucky to get 200 mill for them. thats a 20-30% reduction in return for your lps.
what we need is for more variety to be added to the offer table again. faction mods or bpcs for faction mods, faction ammo or more trade goods, POS items etc.
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:12:00 -
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to Mrg29
You are wrong.
1 Simple fact. Rewards AND Reasearch are BOTH broken.
Look at the proof people have posted (and then you flamed them for it).
I Personally Confirm that with a variety of LP's that the offers har Extremly lopsided and ALSO I checked on the Research Agents. It Impossable to belive that "ALL" of them gave out "ALL" of thier BP's at the "SAME TIME"
Stop attacking people that give proof and you do have an attitude as if you were an Employee for CCP. Back up and let the players post FACTS
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Paper Pusher
to Mrg29
You are wrong.
1 Simple fact. Rewards AND Reasearch are BOTH broken.
Look at the proof people have posted (and then you flamed them for it).
I Personally Confirm that with a variety of LP's that the offers har Extremly lopsided and ALSO I checked on the Research Agents. It Impossable to belive that "ALL" of them gave out "ALL" of thier BP's at the "SAME TIME"
Stop attacking people that give proof and you do have an attitude as if you were an Employee for CCP. Back up and let the players post FACTS
excuse me.
the only person i have corrected is yourself and that is because you clearly do not understand how t2 bpos are issued by r&d agents as at least one other person in this thread also pointed out to you.
the last time new tech2 bpos were intorduced into the game was RMR which is now 8 months ago.
since that time they have gradually been seeded to players via the lottery system.
the reason all r&d agents are now showing "nothing easily predictable" is that the finite number of bpos available have now been issued. it is probable that ccp updated the research field info and the agent info in the static update they did last week that is why it appears it all happened at the same time.
i even posted a link to a DEV post where they stated that alot of the deadwood was going to be removed from the offer system and that they would only be leaving those offers which people took with any regularity.
now u can choose to believe or disbelieve me but i do not think a single thing i have stated anywhere in this thread is incorrect.
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Ropper
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:02:00 -
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My personal opinion is following.
They changed the offertable, meaning took out the offers that got systematically refused (HW offers). This means almost 50% of all offers i got before patch are gone. Result is that now i get more of the same offers (implants). I think, next to factionship offers this is the most accepted offer around. And the result is that implants receive a total overkill and drop in prices.
They also stated that faction ship offers changed: More LP, less isk.... get ur agent to 200k and ull never get a bs offer... cos the principle is more lp, less isk. ive received new offers on 220k lp for the frig in exchange for some RHOZ tags. Which used to be alot lower (dont know the exact amount). I think before u can state that the offersystem is broken people have to see at what lvls offers come now. But i do agree variaty is low. However how many different offers there are, doesnt make a difference, there will always be 1 or 2 offers people accept. The rest will get passed cos of low isk/lp value. So this rant is a no win situation in my opinion.
PS correct me if im wrong, but if i get this right this thread is not about research, but about lp offers from agents.
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Paper Pusher on 06/07/2006 11:56:59
Everyone go and read my FIRST post here.
I said that ALL agent offers were broken and that I had gone a step father when I submitted a Petition. In my petition I also showed evidence that even the R&D was ALSO broken.
Just becuase I provided More facts dosnt meant that My info dosnt pretain to this topic. Read My First Post.
If after the patch they "Removed offers" That would explain how ALL Starship BP's were ALL gone at Once.
I tried to present facts and added Additional Information. Im sorry if someone got fixated on that and assumed I was Ignorant of how something worked.
Also my Petition STILL hasnt had ANY response.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Paper Pusher
Edited by: Paper Pusher on 06/07/2006 11:56:59
Everyone go and read my FIRST post here.
I said that ALL agent offers were broken and that I had gone a step father when I submitted a Petition. In my petition I also showed evidence that even the R&D was ALSO broken.
Just becuase I provided More facts dosnt meant that My info dosnt pretain to this topic. Read My First Post.
If after the patch they "Removed offers" That would explain how ALL Starship BP's were ALL gone at Once.
I tried to present facts and added Additional Information. Im sorry if someone got fixated on that and assumed I was Ignorant of how something worked.
Also my Petition STILL hasnt had ANY response.
I shall repeat what others said, the research and development agents never ever had anything to do with the loyalty point offer system that exists for all the other agents.
They are 2 completely seperate systems.
But reading your posts in this thread it looks like you wont believe anything what other people tell you so *shrug.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:52:00 -
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Ok I was wrong, probably the thing is that you get crystals when you got less than 1k lp, because there are no implant offers for that amount.
Looks like the offers still in the table are -
- gift for things to come
- butterfly effect (lol, they said they removed offers no one took .. but apparently they lied because I won't ever believe anyone in their mind, except for complete noobs, took those crystals which you can't even reprocess)
- connections books
- and ships for tags which are impossible to get.
I guess one can expect navy battleships and hardwirings to raise in price...
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Ropper
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ropper on 06/07/2006 18:41:34
Originally by: Paper Pusher
Edited by: Paper Pusher on 06/07/2006 11:56:59
Everyone go and read my FIRST post here.
I said that ALL agent offers were broken and that I had gone a step father when I submitted a Petition. In my petition I also showed evidence that even the R&D was ALSO broken.
Just becuase I provided More facts dosnt meant that My info dosnt pretain to this topic. Read My First Post.
If after the patch they "Removed offers" That would explain how ALL Starship BP's were ALL gone at Once.
I tried to present facts and added Additional Information. Im sorry if someone got fixated on that and assumed I was Ignorant of how something worked.
Also my Petition STILL hasnt had ANY response.
The reason why your petition didnt have a response is probably because alot of people keep petitioning stuff that isnt necessarily broken. If i get your tone in this forum right, you havent petitioned just once as well. I think I heard that avarage response time atm is about 3 weeks, thats because reading all those pages of people moaning just takes time. Petition once and wait ur turn, like everyone does. Also because CCP has actual people working there as well, I can possibly imagine if someone is very unfriendly they let that person wait.
Im not sure u are and do all these things, but if i am it might be an answer to why there has not been a response yet.
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Hockston Axe
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Posted - 2006.07.07 01:36:00 -
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The primary thing that I've noticed about offers post-patch is that they tend to dip further back down the LP offer pool when they pick your offer instead of giving you the closest LP level offers.
Right before the patch I finally got a lvl 4 up to 15k LP (doing little courier missions) and got an offer at 15k LP that wasn't a connections book. Since the patch I've only done one small (~150LP/per) courier mission to reactivate the offer, and every one has been for 12k LP. Agents that are between 10k-15k LP are giving me 8k LP offers.
It's nice for lvl 4 combat mission runners who can blow past an offer bracket, but a little annoying to have to get to the next bracket to get an offer for the one I'm in.
Oh and the mining crystal offers come at more than 1k LP's in response to a previous post, and have more names than just Butterfly Effect. They just give more crystals and different combos. My fav is the one that pairs up Pyrox crytals with Mercoxit crystals, now that's an odd couple.
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Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:18:00 -
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i just wish my agent would realize that i dont want social implants
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.07 19:14:00 -
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I think you should take that as hint from the agent to shower more often and use a deodorant now and then 
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Contralto
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Posted - 2006.07.08 12:50:00 -
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yes we keep telling old Sonos that but he wont listen (like someone else in this thread)
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