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Jenstruant Fogg
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Dog Food
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Its like, every ******* has learned a new word today and they want to use it in a sentance.
Let CCP figure out what has more power.
It took them like 2 years to nerf the thorax...
Took them 3 years to boost blasters, your point?
Blasters didnt need a boost.
You sir are on some highly intoxicating substance of some kind
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/06/2006 12:25:08
Originally by: Volkon
Hi Guys,
Just a thread here to ask your opinions on on weather you think Blasterthrons are overpowerd.
Me personally dont think they are, you have to train for months and months to be any good in one, i agree with the fact that Tech II drones do deal a little to much damage with good skills so basically your useing 12 Guns, but overall the Blasterthron is only as good as its pilot what with skills ect.
What do you guys think?
Volk
I don't see how they are when they are:
Exceptionally vunerable to EW (all mid slots taken in order to support the blasters), have a very short endurance - if they don't end the fight quickly they are in trouble, and of course, exceptionally limited range.
I won't stop flying them but there are better ships out there, (the new typhoon pwns  )
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade
I won't stop flying them but there are better ships out there, (the new typhoon pwns )
AC Tempest seems to be better for pvp, despite the recent buff to the typhoon.
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:31:00 -
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Damage per second on Structure : 1394.121 (1268.29 taking accuracy into account
Immobil opponent in BS structure untanked at 9,5km
with evry single gunnery skill to 5 (spe large blaster 5 too)
with VOID Large (T2 ammo) 5 ogre T2 with maxed skill (evry drone skill to 5)
4 dmg mod 3 tracking enhancer 2 tracking computer.
thats to say no tank at all.
Yeah thats hudge dmg but u have to go to 10km first then web that ship scrmable that ship then fire.
Damage per second on Structure : 1147.801 (1061.11 taking accuracy into account)
for a similar ARMAGGEDON setup... with a RANGE OF 50 KM
(7 tachyon T2 2 RCU T2 2 trackking enhancer T2 4 Heat sink T2 5 ogre T2 maxed skill like for blaster setup)
and NOW EVEN BETTER...
Damage per second on Structure : 1323.225 (1204.871 taking accuracy into account)
Armageddon with 7 megapulse T2 conflagration and skill To 5 + 5 ogre T2 skill to 5.
This armageddon got a range of 29500 DPS...
I know u gonna whine again em and thermal are the most tanked thingy in da world (totally false thermal is one of the least tanked...)
Guess what?
I would love to get thoose 250 dps go for 40km range more oon my blasteron. So i could solo gank anyship coming from gate... so i could pown in PVE too... so i wont need another ship to scramble for me...
And i will give away my hudge 70 dps wich cut my range of 20km...
pls go whine somewhere else
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:41:00 -
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seems some people were watching farjung movies too much.
blasterthron is only good because there are so many idiots willing to enter its 3km optimal 
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:09:00 -
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Yeah, there's no doubt that there is something that a 5 bil faction fitted vindicator can destroy stuff pretty damn well... But that's not exactly your typical setup. Nor would it fair so well against equally well fitted other battleships.
The price a blasterthron pays for it's dps is huge. And it's one trick pony.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:15:00 -
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The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:16:00 -
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No, we're looking at it from a completely logical view based upon the game mechanics, you on the other handà
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Your looking it from a megathron pilot point of view. Look at gallente and thier basic advatages over disadvantages;
Drones;
Advantages
Choice of damage type
45KM with scout drone 5 range, fly to target
Insane DPS for what they are
Seperate Targets
For there size, I beleive there HP is a bit much
Even on a non-drone boat ship, like the mega, they do enough damage to be used as primary weapon.
316 DPS maximum, and both the Armageddon and Typhoon can do EXACTLY the same...
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Hybrids;
Advantages
Close and long range dps is very high
Fit well, I mean, I need fittiing modules on a tempest to fit a full rack of 1400s...but mega with 7 X 425MM...yup fits..
Blasters are true close range, Amarr and minny arent too effective at 500ms, therefore easier to fly.
Hybrids...longest optimal
Caldari also use hybrids...2 options there.
Disadvantages
Use a bit of cap..meh
Tracking can be a problem...but thats guns in general..
In terms of long range they are in the middle of the road with respect to damage. In terms of close range the Armageddon and Typhoon are nipping at the heals in DPS, but with superior range and in the latter case, no cap usage. And blasters don't just use 'a bit of cap' - with Ion II's and two damage modules, the cap usage at maximum skills is the same as being hit by 2.5 Heavy Nosferatu (i.e. just shy of 25 cap/sec) yet the ship only produces 15 cap/sec at peak recharge...
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Gallente ships in general have decent highs meds and lows, a sizable drone bay, nice tankers, nice fitting..
And once you fit a MWD on there cap/fitting goes out of the window...
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Everything like jamming, tracking disrupting, cap neut/nos, that affects every race..
Situations like...ahhh crap hes out of blaster range...wait I can warp away...Get in 20KM drones do the damage while you get up close...cap neut...affects every race...
A Blasterthron devotes all of it's midslots to supporting it's turrets, making it more vulnerable to the likes of ECM.
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
OK Megathron is SP intensive...I dont care...if it tanks well and does more dps than any other non-gallente, its overpowered....or other races are underpowered...peronally gallente has been boosted in every main patch since I have played.
I'm going to flame you now because you really don't have a clue.
It does more DPS because it's a balls-to the wall, no second chances ship you moron.... 
The risk is getting close, the reward (and many will argue it still is not enough of a reward) is the highest damaging turrets.
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Xylur
The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
The tanked torpraven will die to almost everything smaller than a BS/BC though and it lacks mobility.
Under 10km (web range) of a blasterthron cruisers are dead meat and with some luck frigs too.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:45:00 -
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Blaster ships more powerful than most ships, but I would venture to suggest a t2 maxxed raven pilot would beat a maxxed t2 thron or domi pilot.
That said its entirely situational. All in all I think they are well implemented at present - Devestating, but only at very close range.
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Xylur
The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
The very short range of blasters actually works to your advantage. I do not want longer range - maybe a little bit better fallof so you can engage earlier - but the fact that you are so close puts you well inside the optimal range of pulse lasers and autocannons - which means they may experiance some trouble tracking you
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Elaine Threepwood
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Originally by: Jon Xylur
The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
The very short range of blasters actually works to your advantage. I do not want longer range - maybe a little bit better fallof so you can engage earlier - but the fact that you are so close puts you well inside the optimal range of pulse lasers and autocannons - which means they may experiance some trouble tracking you
Actually AC's have even less optimal than blasters  , and beyond the initial approach the tracking is irrelevant as you should both be webbed.
BTW blasterthrons don't suck (in small gangs/solo), they just require good skills to do well, both character skills and player skills.
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Yeh a good armageddon pilot will easily kill off a megathron. If some ammar disagrees i have my answer ready 
ab geddon kill mwd mega?
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elaine Threepwood
Actually AC's have even less optimal than blasters , and beyond the initial approach the tracking is irrelevant as you should both be webbed.
BTW blasterthrons don't suck (in small gangs/solo), they just require good skills to do well, both character skills and player skills.
Yes ACs have less optimal then blasters, because they're designed to be used within their massive falloff range. In battle conditions ACs have a much larger viable range then blasters. Combined with minmatar high base speed you can keep a blasterthron from doing max damage.
Every short range BS pvp pilot knows this so stop trying to confuse the carebears.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:35:00 -
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large blasters have one majour disadvantage over any other gun/missile, you can not allign to warp, u have to get in close and stay close, becase of that you risk your ship more than any other ship
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Elaine Threepwood
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
Yes ACs have less optimal then blasters, because they're designed to be used within their massive falloff range. In battle conditions ACs have a much larger viable range then blasters. Combined with minmatar high base speed you can keep a blasterthron from doing max damage.
Every short range BS pvp pilot knows this so stop trying to confuse the carebears.
I'm sorry  .
Then again, a lot of tempest ac setups use an afterburner in place of an mwd (since the high falloff allows it), so the outpiloting a thron thing doesn't always work... but now we have hail we don't necessarily need to  .
Honestly, with the blaster changes recently, I don't think there's much in it between Blasterthrons and ACpests anymore. I'd probably still give it to the pest atm due to nasty ECM but we know that's in for a nerf sometime anyway. Oh and with it's new missile bonus the phoon is up there with both of them in close range fights .
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:58:00 -
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not overpowered, but if you fight one in a tempest you better have a snake set and a faction mwd to stay out of web range :P
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:14:00 -
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actually, the domi has higher dmg potential i think then the b-thron
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:31:00 -
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ok lets talk sisi setups since 1v1's rarely happen on Tranq.
max sp raven vs. max sp blasterthron.
t2/named mods only
t2 ammo of choice
general setups for both ships (injector t2 torp raven with invuls, mwd+web+scram+fnjector for mega)
full slave set vs full crystal set
fight starts at 20km
say maxed out drone skills with t2 drones.
I don't think mega can win if both pilots have a clue, regardless of what you put in lows. Neuts+3dmg mods+void can break the ravens tank, but not fast enough to live to see it pop. with gank setup you can't tank, just hope that your plate buffer will last you long enough to kill the raven (which it probably wont).
If you opt for electrons+2 large reps, you dont have enough dps, and you are losing battle in tanking, since shield tanking does better hp/sec - wise.
Or something, who cares, on tranq. you end up with rails anyway, because nobody can be arsed to wait for you to mwd around. So you are more useful in gank javelin setup.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
actually, the domi has higher dmg potential i think then the b-thron
Highest I can see for a domi is around 1420
Highest for a mega is around 1450 (but that would require torp specialisation maxed too)
around 1425 without the torp launcher.
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Baalic
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Skva
Training for a long time to be good at using a ship is a poor excuse for the ship to be overpowered. Also, T2 drones don't deal THAT much damage. Certainly not the 1 drone = 1 gun you mentioned.
1 drone = 1 missile
A t2 heavy drone is going to do around 60dps. A siege launcher 2 with t1 ammo and no BCS will do around 50 dps.
T2 drones do THAT much damage. Plus heavy drones have better sig resolution than medium guns, so they will hit for full damage against a cruiser.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Baalic
Originally by: Skva
Training for a long time to be good at using a ship is a poor excuse for the ship to be overpowered. Also, T2 drones don't deal THAT much damage. Certainly not the 1 drone = 1 gun you mentioned.
1 drone = 1 missile
A t2 heavy drone is going to do around 60dps. A siege launcher 2 with t1 ammo and no BCS will do around 50 dps.
T2 drones do THAT much damage. Plus heavy drones have better sig resolution than medium guns, so they will hit for full damage against a cruiser.
range/speed/flight time/flight time back to ship/ ability to kill drones, warping away loosing ur drones
on top of that, why do u not compair missiles with bcu and t2 ammo to t2 drones, also 60DPS if correct is only the thermal drones, use other drones and watch ur dps drop DRASTICLY.
propaganda ftw eh?
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:21:00 -
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Here's the rundown from my observations, assuming equal skill (both player and SP):
Raven vs. Blasterthron, Thron is in range = Thron wins, assuming good fit
Raven vs. Blasterthron, Thron is less than 20k = Toss up
Raven vs. Blasterthron, Thron is > 20k = Raven wins if it has tackle.
Blasterthron vs. anything else except ECM and uber nos/tank = OW. OWOWOWOW. OW! 
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Soros
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:23:00 -
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Its fine. Ecm drones in a blasterthron is what you should be worrying about
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: Deathbarrage
actually, the domi has higher dmg potential i think then the b-thron
Highest I can see for a domi is around 1420
Highest for a mega is around 1450 (but that would require torp specialisation maxed too)
around 1425 without the torp launcher.
all depends if 2,5 drones can equal out 1 gun i guess
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:49:00 -
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Is that some kind of Jedi-trick? Your friends are fools and certainly can't/don't fly a Thron.
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Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:54:00 -
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So to get max damage in a Blasterthron, you need Torp skills maxed, Blaster skills maxed, and Drone skills maxed. Seems like an even tradeoff for other ships out there.
And the 'thron ends up being high risk and will not be able to tank at all.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Talori'i
So to get max damage in a Blasterthron, you need Torp skills maxed, Blaster skills maxed, and Drone skills maxed. Seems like an even tradeoff for other ships out there.
And the 'thron ends up being high risk and will not be able to tank at all.
And it's the same in a tempest, and a typhoon. What's your point?
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:18:00 -
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[uote=Talori'i]So to get max damage in a Blasterthron, you need Torp skills maxed, Blaster skills maxed, and Drone skills maxed. Seems like an even tradeoff for other ships out there.
Show me a good setup that can fit a siege launcher. Unill then you shouldn't bring this point up.
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Khadur
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Bazman
If you let me inside 10km with my Blasterthron, you will die, unless you too are using a Blasterthron with superior skills/setup/dash of luck than I have. You will also beat me if you fly an Autotempest with a modicum of skill and stay beyond web range. You will beat me if you have 2mil SP and fly a Torpedo ECM Raven. You will beat me if you use any sort of Electronic trickery whatsoever.
I am not overpowered. Or Overpowdered, as the case may be.
Yarr.
Yeh a good armageddon pilot will easily kill off a megathron. If some ammar disagrees i have my answer ready
I'm wannabe amarr but please explain
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