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Volkon
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:20:00 -
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Hi Guys,
Just a thread here to ask your opinions on on weather you think Blasterthrons are overpowerd.
Me personally dont think they are, you have to train for months and months to be any good in one, i agree with the fact that Tech II drones do deal a little to much damage with good skills so basically your useing 12 Guns, but overall the Blasterthron is only as good as its pilot what with skills ect.
What do you guys think?
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Terminus Shade
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:23:00 -
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NO. They are not overpowered.
End of story.
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never2be
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: never2be on 26/06/2006 11:23:26
i think it is overpowred, can do dammage in the region of 1.2K dps, anything at close range will just die to it.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:23:00 -
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It isn't overpowered, it just does what it does better than anyone...well cept the Raven... 
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Skva
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:24:00 -
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Training for a long time to be good at using a ship is a poor excuse for the ship to be overpowered. Also, T2 drones don't deal THAT much damage. Certainly not the 1 drone = 1 gun you mentioned.
Anyway, that said, agreed it's not overpowered.
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Nastro Azzura
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:24:00 -
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Just to let you know, you will be flamed to kingdom come, for even suggesting that it MIGHT be overpowered.
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:24:00 -
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Blasterthrons might be overpowered, but only projectiles can be overpowdered.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:25:00 -
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 Originally by: never2be
Edited by: never2be on 26/06/2006 11:23:26
i think it is overpowred, can do dammage in the region of 1.2K dps, anything at close range will just die to it.
Just post a setup that deals 1.2 k damage/s and can kill off a raven
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:25:00 -
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Yup, needs a good investment in skills to make it worth it. Its also a high risk setup. Unlike a Tempest sitting 70km firing off Tech II Artilery, your up close and in there face risking being webbed, scrambled etc
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munchy
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:25:00 -
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tbh i think it is slightly, a good blasterthron pilot will usually beat a pilot of equal skill in their chosen battleship. but the blasterthron can be difficult to fly without experience, theres alot of things to watch i.e. transversal, cap, cap boosters left, when to turn your mwd on/off. they can be a b*tch to fit sometimes too.
a good t2 torp raven or a good autopest will take a blasterthron without too much trouble, but it all depends on the pilot tbh.
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Hoshi Takasu
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: never2be
Edited by: never2be on 26/06/2006 11:23:26
i think it is overpowred, can do dammage in the region of 1.2K dps, anything at close range will just die to it.
Just post a setup that deals 1.2 k damage/s and can kill off a raven
lol theres no way a mega can do 1.2k dps...
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Volkon
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Volkon on 26/06/2006 11:27:25
Originally by: Skva
Training for a long time to be good at using a ship is a poor excuse for the ship to be overpowered. Also, T2 drones don't deal THAT much damage. Certainly not the 1 drone = 1 gun you mentioned.
Anyway, that said, agreed it's not overpowered.
Im sorry mate, but they are pretty insane on damage, i know a guy who has 4 plus mill SP in drones, he gets wrecks on cruisers of 400... And i started this thread purely because of the fact that all my mates think it is overpowered, so im asking for opinions as i dont think they are.
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Kael D'mende
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:29:00 -
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imho they are kinda crasy, dont know if i would "gong" the imba bell, but had a test with one, and i could'nt tank him in a raven with 2 amps and a full crystal set, thats pretty crasy :O)
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DarKDruG
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:31:00 -
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The blasterthron is (when used with t2 drones) the highest dps ship in EVE that i know of. As a tradeoff: you have to actually get close enough to your target, which is not always a pic-nic.
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FawKa
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:32:00 -
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Anyone that think its overpowered havent been able to fly one.
Tracking, range, not much ew, etc..
Lots of dmg yes, lots of skills required yes, and as Munchy said, you cant just fly one in pvp like any other BS. end.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:33:00 -
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If you let me inside 10km with my Blasterthron, you will die, unless you too are using a Blasterthron with superior skills/setup/dash of luck than I have. You will also beat me if you fly an Autotempest with a modicum of skill and stay beyond web range. You will beat me if you have 2mil SP and fly a Torpedo ECM Raven. You will beat me if you use any sort of Electronic trickery whatsoever.
I am not overpowered. Or Overpowdered, as the case may be.
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: never2be
Edited by: never2be on 26/06/2006 11:23:26
i think it is overpowred, can do dammage in the region of 1.2K dps, anything at close range will just die to it.
Just post a setup that deals 1.2 k damage/s and can kill off a raven
I know of one 
Although if you don't start in Blaster-range then you lose
Either way, I think the Blasterthron is about right. it does do insane damage but when fitted like that, it has little/no tank. It also has big cap issues still (although they aren't as cippling as they were, they certainly don't help). Currently though, until the Raven is fixed (i.e. nerfed a bit), no other BS can be (comparitively) classed as overpowered.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
If you let me inside 10km with my Blasterthron, you will die, unless you too are using a Blasterthron with superior skills/setup/dash of luck than I have. You will also beat me if you fly an Autotempest with a modicum of skill and stay beyond web range. You will beat me if you have 2mil SP and fly a Torpedo ECM Raven. You will beat me if you use any sort of Electronic trickery whatsoever.
I am not overpowered. Or Overpowdered, as the case may be.
Yarr.
Yeh a good armageddon pilot will easily kill off a megathron. If some ammar disagrees i have my answer ready
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:41:00 -
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They're only overpowered in the eyes of fools that can't look past "oh lotsa damage" and see what it takes to get that damage and do that damage, and the huge number of things that will completely shut you down in seconds....
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:45:00 -
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Blasterthron overpowered ? hardly
They have problems going up close, need high skill setups and experience to use one properly.
Drones aren't that big and bad also.
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR
Drones aren't that big and bad also.
Got to agree. People who complain that Megathron gets it's drones AS WELL as it's high-damage guns often forget that the Armageddon has the same 5x heavy drone carrying abilities as the megathron
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR
Drones aren't that big and bad also.
Got to agree. People who complain that Megathron gets it's drones AS WELL as it's high-damage guns often forget that the Armageddon has the same 5x heavy drone carrying abilities as the megathron
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
They're only overpowered in the eyes of fools that can't look past "oh lotsa damage" and see what it takes to get that damage and do that damage, and the huge number of things that will completely shut you down in seconds....
So true. A single t1 tracking distruptor will kill the tracking and the range on that thing so bad it makes you want to cry. Not to mention ECM, as it has no spare mid slots to counter, as it desperatly needs MWD, Cap booster, sensor booster and tracking comp to actually play ball.
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Spaced Skunk
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:50:00 -
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Your looking it from a megathron pilot point of view. Look at gallente and thier basic advatages over disadvantages;
Drones;
Advantages
Choice of damage type
45KM with scout drone 5 range, fly to target
Insane DPS for what they are
Seperate Targets
For there size, I beleive there HP is a bit much
Even on a non-drone boat ship, like the mega, they do enough damage to be used as primary weapon.
Disadvantages
Can shoot em down
AI is still poor, but thats just a meh.. disadvantage
Hybrids;
Advantages
Close and long range dps is very high
Fit well, I mean, I need fittiing modules on a tempest to fit a full rack of 1400s...but mega with 7 X 425MM...yup fits..
Blasters are true close range, Amarr and minny arent too effective at 500ms, therefore easier to fly.
Hybrids...longest optimal
Caldari also use hybrids...2 options there.
Disadvantages
Use a bit of cap..meh
Tracking can be a problem...but thats guns in general..
Gallente ships in general have decent highs meds and lows, a sizable drone bay, nice tankers, nice fitting..
Everything like jamming, tracking disrupting, cap neut/nos, that affects every race..
Situations like...ahhh crap hes out of blaster range...wait I can warp away...Get in 20KM drones do the damage while you get up close...cap neut...affects every race...
OK Megathron is SP intensive...I dont care...if it tanks well and does more dps than any other non-gallente, its overpowered....or other races are underpowered...peronally gallente has been boosted in every main patch since I have played.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: R31D
Got to agree. People who complain that Megathron gets it's drones AS WELL as it's high-damage guns often forget that the Armageddon has the same 5x heavy drone carrying abilities as the megathron
As well as the Typhoon.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:52:00 -
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Its like, every ******* has learned a new word today and they want to use it in a sentance.
Let CCP figure out what has more power.
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Spaced Skunk
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Its like, every ******* has learned a new word today and they want to use it in a sentance.
Let CCP figure out what has more power.
It took them like 2 years to nerf the thorax...
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Your looking it from a megathron pilot point of view. Look at gallente and thier basic advatages over disadvantages;
Drones;
Advantages
Choice of damage type
45KM with scout drone 5 range, fly to target
Insane DPS for what they are
Seperate Targets
For there size, I beleive there HP is a bit much
Even on a non-drone boat ship, like the mega, they do enough damage to be used as primary weapon.
Disadvantages
Can shoot em down
AI is still poor, but thats just a meh.. disadvantage
Take 10 to 120s to reach target and actually do any damage, so it kinda negates the dps. And you can only have 1 "reload" of large drones with you, so you really can only do 1 damage type at once.
Hybrids;
Advantages
Close and long range dps is very high
Fit well, I mean, I need fittiing modules on a tempest to fit a full rack of 1400s...but mega with 7 X 425MM...yup fits..
If you haven't noticed they suffer from CPU fitting problems. The Gallantean ships have **** for CPU
Blasters are true close range, Amarr and minny arent too effective at 500ms, therefore easier to fly.
Too close range, with max skills they do better average dps then the torps at only 6-7km range, as such mega pulses or torps are better as close range weapons by a huge margin.
Hybrids...longest optimal
Caldari also use hybrids...2 options there.
Disadvantages
Use a bit of cap..meh
Tracking can be a problem...but thats guns in general..
Gallente ships in general have decent highs meds and lows, a sizable drone bay, nice tankers, nice fitting..
Yea, you can actually have a good tank and fittings or have the cap mods needed to run those mods. You can't do both. If the enemy is not dead in 2 minutes, you are out of cap and out of luck.
Everything like jamming, tracking disrupting, cap neut/nos, that affects every race..
Situations like...ahhh crap hes out of blaster range...wait I can warp away...Get in 20KM drones do the damage while you get up close...cap neut...affects every race...
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Dog Food
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Its like, every ******* has learned a new word today and they want to use it in a sentance.
Let CCP figure out what has more power.
It took them like 2 years to nerf the thorax...
Took them 3 years to boost blasters, your point?
Blasters didnt need a boost.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:21:00 -
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I think the mega is rather balanced. The cap use along with the MWD penalty is still an issue somewhat, but otherwise I think it fares well where it's supposed to: up close, while other battleships not specialized in as close a range will best it if they are sufficiently more skilled, and vice versa a skilled mega stands better a chance at longer starting distances.
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Jenstruant Fogg
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dog Food
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Its like, every ******* has learned a new word today and they want to use it in a sentance.
Let CCP figure out what has more power.
It took them like 2 years to nerf the thorax...
Took them 3 years to boost blasters, your point?
Blasters didnt need a boost.
You sir are on some highly intoxicating substance of some kind
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/06/2006 12:25:08
Originally by: Volkon
Hi Guys,
Just a thread here to ask your opinions on on weather you think Blasterthrons are overpowerd.
Me personally dont think they are, you have to train for months and months to be any good in one, i agree with the fact that Tech II drones do deal a little to much damage with good skills so basically your useing 12 Guns, but overall the Blasterthron is only as good as its pilot what with skills ect.
What do you guys think?
Volk
I don't see how they are when they are:
Exceptionally vunerable to EW (all mid slots taken in order to support the blasters), have a very short endurance - if they don't end the fight quickly they are in trouble, and of course, exceptionally limited range.
I won't stop flying them but there are better ships out there, (the new typhoon pwns  )
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade
I won't stop flying them but there are better ships out there, (the new typhoon pwns )
AC Tempest seems to be better for pvp, despite the recent buff to the typhoon.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:31:00 -
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Damage per second on Structure : 1394.121 (1268.29 taking accuracy into account
Immobil opponent in BS structure untanked at 9,5km
with evry single gunnery skill to 5 (spe large blaster 5 too)
with VOID Large (T2 ammo) 5 ogre T2 with maxed skill (evry drone skill to 5)
4 dmg mod 3 tracking enhancer 2 tracking computer.
thats to say no tank at all.
Yeah thats hudge dmg but u have to go to 10km first then web that ship scrmable that ship then fire.
Damage per second on Structure : 1147.801 (1061.11 taking accuracy into account)
for a similar ARMAGGEDON setup... with a RANGE OF 50 KM
(7 tachyon T2 2 RCU T2 2 trackking enhancer T2 4 Heat sink T2 5 ogre T2 maxed skill like for blaster setup)
and NOW EVEN BETTER...
Damage per second on Structure : 1323.225 (1204.871 taking accuracy into account)
Armageddon with 7 megapulse T2 conflagration and skill To 5 + 5 ogre T2 skill to 5.
This armageddon got a range of 29500 DPS...
I know u gonna whine again em and thermal are the most tanked thingy in da world (totally false thermal is one of the least tanked...)
Guess what?
I would love to get thoose 250 dps go for 40km range more oon my blasteron. So i could solo gank anyship coming from gate... so i could pown in PVE too... so i wont need another ship to scramble for me...
And i will give away my hudge 70 dps wich cut my range of 20km...
pls go whine somewhere else
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:41:00 -
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seems some people were watching farjung movies too much.
blasterthron is only good because there are so many idiots willing to enter its 3km optimal 
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:09:00 -
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Yeah, there's no doubt that there is something that a 5 bil faction fitted vindicator can destroy stuff pretty damn well... But that's not exactly your typical setup. Nor would it fair so well against equally well fitted other battleships.
The price a blasterthron pays for it's dps is huge. And it's one trick pony.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:15:00 -
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The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:16:00 -
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No, we're looking at it from a completely logical view based upon the game mechanics, you on the other handà
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Your looking it from a megathron pilot point of view. Look at gallente and thier basic advatages over disadvantages;
Drones;
Advantages
Choice of damage type
45KM with scout drone 5 range, fly to target
Insane DPS for what they are
Seperate Targets
For there size, I beleive there HP is a bit much
Even on a non-drone boat ship, like the mega, they do enough damage to be used as primary weapon.
316 DPS maximum, and both the Armageddon and Typhoon can do EXACTLY the same...
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Hybrids;
Advantages
Close and long range dps is very high
Fit well, I mean, I need fittiing modules on a tempest to fit a full rack of 1400s...but mega with 7 X 425MM...yup fits..
Blasters are true close range, Amarr and minny arent too effective at 500ms, therefore easier to fly.
Hybrids...longest optimal
Caldari also use hybrids...2 options there.
Disadvantages
Use a bit of cap..meh
Tracking can be a problem...but thats guns in general..
In terms of long range they are in the middle of the road with respect to damage. In terms of close range the Armageddon and Typhoon are nipping at the heals in DPS, but with superior range and in the latter case, no cap usage. And blasters don't just use 'a bit of cap' - with Ion II's and two damage modules, the cap usage at maximum skills is the same as being hit by 2.5 Heavy Nosferatu (i.e. just shy of 25 cap/sec) yet the ship only produces 15 cap/sec at peak recharge...
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Gallente ships in general have decent highs meds and lows, a sizable drone bay, nice tankers, nice fitting..
And once you fit a MWD on there cap/fitting goes out of the window...
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Everything like jamming, tracking disrupting, cap neut/nos, that affects every race..
Situations like...ahhh crap hes out of blaster range...wait I can warp away...Get in 20KM drones do the damage while you get up close...cap neut...affects every race...
A Blasterthron devotes all of it's midslots to supporting it's turrets, making it more vulnerable to the likes of ECM.
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
OK Megathron is SP intensive...I dont care...if it tanks well and does more dps than any other non-gallente, its overpowered....or other races are underpowered...peronally gallente has been boosted in every main patch since I have played.
I'm going to flame you now because you really don't have a clue.
It does more DPS because it's a balls-to the wall, no second chances ship you moron.... 
The risk is getting close, the reward (and many will argue it still is not enough of a reward) is the highest damaging turrets.
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Xylur
The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
The tanked torpraven will die to almost everything smaller than a BS/BC though and it lacks mobility.
Under 10km (web range) of a blasterthron cruisers are dead meat and with some luck frigs too.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:45:00 -
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Blaster ships more powerful than most ships, but I would venture to suggest a t2 maxxed raven pilot would beat a maxxed t2 thron or domi pilot.
That said its entirely situational. All in all I think they are well implemented at present - Devestating, but only at very close range.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Xylur
The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
The very short range of blasters actually works to your advantage. I do not want longer range - maybe a little bit better fallof so you can engage earlier - but the fact that you are so close puts you well inside the optimal range of pulse lasers and autocannons - which means they may experiance some trouble tracking you
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Originally by: Jon Xylur
The B-Thron is not overpowered. It sucks. In a bad way, too (not like Nos Domi). It's guns have crappy range, crappy tracking and huge cap use. The daage it does compared to AC pest is pitifull compared to the range you lose and the cap you'r guns use. Raven outdamages the B-Thron at every range exept 5-6km, and even the the B-Thron doe sonly slightly more damage and has to sacrifice most of it's tan while the Raven can mount an ungodly tank and BBQ everything with uber damage. Some "Ultimate Close Range Ship" we have here....
The very short range of blasters actually works to your advantage. I do not want longer range - maybe a little bit better fallof so you can engage earlier - but the fact that you are so close puts you well inside the optimal range of pulse lasers and autocannons - which means they may experiance some trouble tracking you
Actually AC's have even less optimal than blasters  , and beyond the initial approach the tracking is irrelevant as you should both be webbed.
BTW blasterthrons don't suck (in small gangs/solo), they just require good skills to do well, both character skills and player skills.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Yeh a good armageddon pilot will easily kill off a megathron. If some ammar disagrees i have my answer ready
ab geddon kill mwd mega?
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Elaine Threepwood
Actually AC's have even less optimal than blasters , and beyond the initial approach the tracking is irrelevant as you should both be webbed.
BTW blasterthrons don't suck (in small gangs/solo), they just require good skills to do well, both character skills and player skills.
Yes ACs have less optimal then blasters, because they're designed to be used within their massive falloff range. In battle conditions ACs have a much larger viable range then blasters. Combined with minmatar high base speed you can keep a blasterthron from doing max damage.
Every short range BS pvp pilot knows this so stop trying to confuse the carebears.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:35:00 -
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large blasters have one majour disadvantage over any other gun/missile, you can not allign to warp, u have to get in close and stay close, becase of that you risk your ship more than any other ship
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
Yes ACs have less optimal then blasters, because they're designed to be used within their massive falloff range. In battle conditions ACs have a much larger viable range then blasters. Combined with minmatar high base speed you can keep a blasterthron from doing max damage.
Every short range BS pvp pilot knows this so stop trying to confuse the carebears.
I'm sorry  .
Then again, a lot of tempest ac setups use an afterburner in place of an mwd (since the high falloff allows it), so the outpiloting a thron thing doesn't always work... but now we have hail we don't necessarily need to .
Honestly, with the blaster changes recently, I don't think there's much in it between Blasterthrons and ACpests anymore. I'd probably still give it to the pest atm due to nasty ECM but we know that's in for a nerf sometime anyway. Oh and with it's new missile bonus the phoon is up there with both of them in close range fights .
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:58:00 -
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not overpowered, but if you fight one in a tempest you better have a snake set and a faction mwd to stay out of web range :P
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:14:00 -
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actually, the domi has higher dmg potential i think then the b-thron
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:31:00 -
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ok lets talk sisi setups since 1v1's rarely happen on Tranq.
max sp raven vs. max sp blasterthron.
t2/named mods only
t2 ammo of choice
general setups for both ships (injector t2 torp raven with invuls, mwd+web+scram+fnjector for mega)
full slave set vs full crystal set
fight starts at 20km
say maxed out drone skills with t2 drones.
I don't think mega can win if both pilots have a clue, regardless of what you put in lows. Neuts+3dmg mods+void can break the ravens tank, but not fast enough to live to see it pop. with gank setup you can't tank, just hope that your plate buffer will last you long enough to kill the raven (which it probably wont).
If you opt for electrons+2 large reps, you dont have enough dps, and you are losing battle in tanking, since shield tanking does better hp/sec - wise.
Or something, who cares, on tranq. you end up with rails anyway, because nobody can be arsed to wait for you to mwd around. So you are more useful in gank javelin setup.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage
actually, the domi has higher dmg potential i think then the b-thron
Highest I can see for a domi is around 1420
Highest for a mega is around 1450 (but that would require torp specialisation maxed too)
around 1425 without the torp launcher.
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Baalic
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Skva
Training for a long time to be good at using a ship is a poor excuse for the ship to be overpowered. Also, T2 drones don't deal THAT much damage. Certainly not the 1 drone = 1 gun you mentioned.
1 drone = 1 missile
A t2 heavy drone is going to do around 60dps. A siege launcher 2 with t1 ammo and no BCS will do around 50 dps.
T2 drones do THAT much damage. Plus heavy drones have better sig resolution than medium guns, so they will hit for full damage against a cruiser.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Baalic
Originally by: Skva
Training for a long time to be good at using a ship is a poor excuse for the ship to be overpowered. Also, T2 drones don't deal THAT much damage. Certainly not the 1 drone = 1 gun you mentioned.
1 drone = 1 missile
A t2 heavy drone is going to do around 60dps. A siege launcher 2 with t1 ammo and no BCS will do around 50 dps.
T2 drones do THAT much damage. Plus heavy drones have better sig resolution than medium guns, so they will hit for full damage against a cruiser.
range/speed/flight time/flight time back to ship/ ability to kill drones, warping away loosing ur drones
on top of that, why do u not compair missiles with bcu and t2 ammo to t2 drones, also 60DPS if correct is only the thermal drones, use other drones and watch ur dps drop DRASTICLY.
propaganda ftw eh?
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:21:00 -
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Here's the rundown from my observations, assuming equal skill (both player and SP):
Raven vs. Blasterthron, Thron is in range = Thron wins, assuming good fit
Raven vs. Blasterthron, Thron is less than 20k = Toss up
Raven vs. Blasterthron, Thron is > 20k = Raven wins if it has tackle.
Blasterthron vs. anything else except ECM and uber nos/tank = OW. OWOWOWOW. OW! 
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Soros
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:23:00 -
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Its fine. Ecm drones in a blasterthron is what you should be worrying about
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: Deathbarrage
actually, the domi has higher dmg potential i think then the b-thron
Highest I can see for a domi is around 1420
Highest for a mega is around 1450 (but that would require torp specialisation maxed too)
around 1425 without the torp launcher.
all depends if 2,5 drones can equal out 1 gun i guess
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:49:00 -
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Is that some kind of Jedi-trick? Your friends are fools and certainly can't/don't fly a Thron.
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Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.06.26 16:54:00 -
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So to get max damage in a Blasterthron, you need Torp skills maxed, Blaster skills maxed, and Drone skills maxed. Seems like an even tradeoff for other ships out there.
And the 'thron ends up being high risk and will not be able to tank at all.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Talori'i
So to get max damage in a Blasterthron, you need Torp skills maxed, Blaster skills maxed, and Drone skills maxed. Seems like an even tradeoff for other ships out there.
And the 'thron ends up being high risk and will not be able to tank at all.
And it's the same in a tempest, and a typhoon. What's your point?
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:18:00 -
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[uote=Talori'i]So to get max damage in a Blasterthron, you need Torp skills maxed, Blaster skills maxed, and Drone skills maxed. Seems like an even tradeoff for other ships out there.
Show me a good setup that can fit a siege launcher. Unill then you shouldn't bring this point up.
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Khadur
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Bazman
If you let me inside 10km with my Blasterthron, you will die, unless you too are using a Blasterthron with superior skills/setup/dash of luck than I have. You will also beat me if you fly an Autotempest with a modicum of skill and stay beyond web range. You will beat me if you have 2mil SP and fly a Torpedo ECM Raven. You will beat me if you use any sort of Electronic trickery whatsoever.
I am not overpowered. Or Overpowdered, as the case may be.
Yarr.
Yeh a good armageddon pilot will easily kill off a megathron. If some ammar disagrees i have my answer ready
I'm wannabe amarr but please explain
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cohkka
[uote=Talori'i]So to get max damage in a Blasterthron, you need Torp skills maxed, Blaster skills maxed, and Drone skills maxed. Seems like an even tradeoff for other ships out there.
Show me a good setup that can fit a siege launcher. Unill then you shouldn't bring this point up.
No :)
But there are. 
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Khadur
Yeh a good armageddon pilot will easily kill off a megathron. If some ammar disagrees i have my answer ready
I'm wannabe amarr but please explain
1 tracking distrupter to kill the damage, warp scrambler to tackle, Web to stop and 1 neut 2 Heavy nos 4 Mega Pulse. End of story.
Guns can't track, are out of optimal, running out of cap for tank, can't move, cant run.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:25:00 -
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Clearly the solution is to nerf the Mega and boost the Raven.
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
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1 tracking distrupter to kill the damage, warp scrambler to tackle, Web to stop and 1 neut 2 Heavy nos 4 Mega Pulse. End of story.
Guns can't track, are out of optimal, running out of cap for tank, can't move, cant run.
And you will slowboat to the mwd mega or will you magically land within webbing range?
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Laboratus
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1 tracking distrupter to kill the damage, warp scrambler to tackle, Web to stop and 1 neut 2 Heavy nos 4 Mega Pulse. End of story.
Guns can't track, are out of optimal, running out of cap for tank, can't move, cant run.
And you will slowboat to the mwd mega or will you magically land within webbing range?
If you are fighting a B-Thron, it will either come to you, or simply run away, as it can't hit for good damage at decent ranges. Questions?
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 26/06/2006 18:54:56
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: madaluap
Yeh a good armageddon pilot will easily kill off a megathron. If some ammar disagrees i have my answer ready
ab geddon kill mwd mega?
Yes im happy you responded to that (no flame)
Ok what if you fit a geddon with lets say 2 heatsink and fit the remaining 6 slots with a reasonable tank.
medslot are like web+dis+injector (or get a tackler and insure ownage 100% by fitting another ab)
high are the tech 2 dual lasers + heavy nos
But this will get raped you may think, now here it comes. Most blasterthron pilots use heavy drones to get that max damageoutput, but if you use 3X webberdrone and 2X beserker 2, his mwdspeed from 18 k to 0 will be max 500, and normally with 2 cycles a mega gets around 800ish, with these webbing drones about 350-400...than he gets slowly into 9 k range BAM web him and he wont go anywhere.
Even if he spots the drones and engages them he cant do ****.
Its like -85% or (90%) speed + 3X -30% (stacked). Offcourse he will still hit you @ 10 k, but not that good and thats what the reasonable tank is for. If you have a tackler you can use a AB and move the other way, cant go wrong.
Gallente = great damage, crap optimal, use it.
/edit: not to mention that If that mega turns on his mwd, he will have the sig of a mountain so you will instalock him, fire and set drones on him fast.
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Wodin Drukvik
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
If you are fighting a B-Thron, it will either come to you, or simply run away, as it can't hit for good damage at decent ranges. Questions?
So a gimped setup that will be able to do little or nothing against just about anyone else can make a Blasterthron run away? Note that with the setup you propose, you lack damage, but also lack an effective tank relative to the standard 2xLAR/Booster setup common on short-range battleships.
I'd be very curious if you could explain how this setup would kill anything other than the most stupid of blasterthron pilots.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:55:00 -
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I'm too ****ed off to even try and fight, what a retard.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wodin Drukvik
So a gimped setup that will be able to do little or nothing against just about anyone else can make a Blasterthron run away? Note that with the setup you propose, you lack damage, but also lack an effective tank relative to the standard 2xLAR/Booster setup common on short-range battleships.
I'd be very curious if you could explain how this setup would kill anything other than the most stupid of blasterthron pilots.
It's all peachy for short range ships, other than those, well. One setup can't prepare for everything. Thats the name of the game anyways. Adapt or perish
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 26/06/2006 18:59:35
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Laboratus
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1 tracking distrupter to kill the damage, warp scrambler to tackle, Web to stop and 1 neut 2 Heavy nos 4 Mega Pulse. End of story.
Guns can't track, are out of optimal, running out of cap for tank, can't move, cant run.
And you will slowboat to the mwd mega or will you magically land within webbing range?
Well c'mon thats a stupid answer, everyone can agree on that.Trust me on this one: you will not have problems getting that mega close, its keeping the distance. Thats what counts.
/edit: seems Laboratus allready covered this
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:31:00 -
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funny how when u come with numbers and fact nobody of da whiner quote ur text nor ansew to this one...
should i remind ya that
Tempest
Megatron has 16% more dmg than tempest... Tempest has 26% more range
Armageddon
Megatron has 5% more dmg than Armageddon ... Armageddon has 210% more range... (megapulse )
OR
Megatron has 21,5% more dmg than Armageddon ... Armageddon has 426% more RANGE
So yeah lets go nerf Megatron its so overpowered...
U guys should know how to fly one even try to fly one.
And See why we were whining from years coz Megatron sux.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:48:00 -
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The only reason people think a blasterthron is overpowered, cause it has the highest chance of any battleship to ( if it's not jammed, nossed, tracking disrupted, or killed on approach ) actually kill something, due to having the highest dps around, even though the difference isn't that big. When 1500 raw dps opens up on you, you better decide to get out fast or the only thing you'll be seeing is a explosion and a pod.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:07:00 -
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Omg, wtf for all that is holy NO.
This "boost" to blasters didnt increase damage, it reduced cap usage and lowered fittings slightly (which BTW wasnt nearly enough, my set ups pretty much the exact same as it was before they lowered fittings) so how has a Blasterthron gone from pretty underpowered to now being overpowered when nothing has realy changed?!?
If you think its overpowered, you havnt flown one in pvp, real pvp not here m8 can I try my set up out on you pvp but real pvp.
Hey I think Ibis is overpowered, anmd the osprey, what do you all think?
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Kye Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kye Kenshin on 27/06/2006 14:26:52
Seriously all you little carebear kids should stop messing around with quickfit.
Instead go away, train to use a blasterthron, pvp in it for a solid 6 months or so in every possible situtation (not the test server) then come back and tell me its overpowered.
The amount of retarded ideas ive seen on the forums lately makes me a sad panda.
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Sniser
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nadec Ascand
Edited by: Nadec Ascand on 27/06/2006 12:24:47
Edited by: Nadec Ascand on 26/06/2006 12:36:58
Damage per second on Structure : 1394.121 (1268.29 taking accuracy into account
Immobil opponent in BS structure untanked at 9,5km
with evry single gunnery skill to 5 (spe large blaster 5 too)
with VOID Large (T2 ammo) 5 ogre T2 with maxed skill (evry drone skill to 5)
4 dmg mod 3 tracking enhancer 2 tracking computer.
thats to say no tank at all.
Yeah thats hudge dmg but u have to go to 10km first then web that ship scrmable that ship then fire.
with 3 tracking enhancer and 2 tracking computer as you say is 13.4km now you use NULL and nice you have 16km optimal and 15km falloff ;D
Quote:
Damage per second on Structure : 1147.801 (1061.11 taking accuracy into account)
for a similar ARMAGGEDON setup... with a RANGE OF 50 KM
(7 tachyon T2 2 RCU T2 2 trackking enhancer T2 4 Heat sink T2 5 ogre T2 maxed skill like for blaster setup)
i think you are forgotting 2 rcu t2, while mega with 425mm t2 dont need them? yay ;D
Quote:
and NOW EVEN BETTER...
Damage per second on Structure : 1323.225 (1204.871 taking accuracy into account)
Armageddon with 7 megapulse T2 conflagration and skill To 5 + 5 ogre T2 skill to 5.
This armageddon got a range of 29,5 km...
I know u gonna whine again em and thermal are the most tanked thingy in da world (totally false thermal is one of the least tanked...)
why do you want range of 29,5km? disruptor is 20km, also with conflag your range comes to ~15km while you keep your high falloff using void. Also tracking disruptor will be more effective vs lasers than blasters or AC
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.06.28 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sniser
Originally by: Nadec Ascand
Edited by: Nadec Ascand on 27/06/2006 12:24:47
Edited by: Nadec Ascand on 26/06/2006 12:36:58
Damage per second on Structure : 1394.121 (1268.29 taking accuracy into account
Immobil opponent in BS structure untanked at 9,5km
with evry single gunnery skill to 5 (spe large blaster 5 too)
with VOID Large (T2 ammo) 5 ogre T2 with maxed skill (evry drone skill to 5)
4 dmg mod 3 tracking enhancer 2 tracking computer.
thats to say no tank at all.
Yeah thats hudge dmg but u have to go to 10km first then web that ship scrmable that ship then fire.
with 3 tracking enhancer and 2 tracking computer as you say is 13.4km now you use NULL and nice you have 16km optimal and 15km falloff ;D
Quote:
Damage per second on Structure : 1147.801 (1061.11 taking accuracy into account)
for a similar ARMAGGEDON setup... with a RANGE OF 50 KM
(7 tachyon T2 2 RCU T2 2 trackking enhancer T2 4 Heat sink T2 5 ogre T2 maxed skill like for blaster setup)
i think you are forgotting 2 rcu t2, while mega with 425mm t2 dont need them? yay ;D
Quote:
and NOW EVEN BETTER...
Damage per second on Structure : 1323.225 (1204.871 taking accuracy into account)
Armageddon with 7 megapulse T2 conflagration and skill To 5 + 5 ogre T2 skill to 5.
This armageddon got a range of 29,5 km...
I know u gonna whine again em and thermal are the most tanked thingy in da world (totally false thermal is one of the least tanked...)
why do you want range of 29,5km? disruptor is 20km, also with conflag your range comes to ~15km while you keep your high falloff using void. Also tracking disruptor will be more effective vs lasers than blasters or AC
Sorry dude but all thoose nuber are facts not guessing.
Im not talking about optimal paper number, but true optimal where ur chances to hit are the best.
And who care scrambling with ship that are supposed to be gank... so what are inty for?
And tracking disruptor more effective vs laser than blaster? LOL
Thats why 29km is far better than a 9km range...
Remind that a Neutron blaster tron can barelly hit a cruiser...
BTW when i say conflag are in.. conflag are in... so do not cut my number by half
Damn u cant read...
I did include RCU T2 on this...
And if u want to speack about 425rail yeah tell me how great they are how they gonna WTF outdammage any armaggedon...
Damage per second on Structure : 988.446 (916.385 taking accuracy into account)
Range 61,5km with 7 425 rail T2
4 girostab T2 3 tracking enhancer 2 tracking computer and 5 ogre II (wich u cant use coz ur too far but anyway put them in count to be fair...)
amaizing dmg isnt it... hu wait its 200dps under armageddon...
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Laboratus
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1 tracking distrupter to kill the damage, warp scrambler to tackle, Web to stop and 1 neut 2 Heavy nos 4 Mega Pulse. End of story.
Guns can't track, are out of optimal, running out of cap for tank, can't move, cant run.
And you will slowboat to the mwd mega or will you magically land within webbing range?
If you are fighting a B-Thron, it will either come to you, or simply run away, as it can't hit for good damage at decent ranges. Questions?
A TD wont hurt a blaster boat too much since they rely on falloff and not optimal.
You still wont kill its tank since it has cap injectors and can still deal full damage and tank to an extent.
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Nadec Ascand
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:37:00 -
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things seems strange or nobody fly a tron...
40sec before a tron run out of cap with no booster...
Yeah we king of dual Large REP..
around 60sec with 1 large armor rep t2 running AND 800 best named booster...
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:43:00 -
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I still say the blasterthron is on the bottom of the pile when it comes to PVP.
Sure its a crap load of fun to fly one around. But really, agaist a decent opponent in pretty much anything, the mega has less then a fair chance.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.28 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
A TD wont hurt a blaster boat too much since they rely on falloff and not optimal.
You still wont kill its tank since it has cap injectors and can still deal full damage and tank to an extent.
Um...
The Projectile weapons, like the AC rely on falloff, not blasters.
For example (dual 650mm falloff 16km, Neutron B 10km falloff.
If you go out of optimal to, say 30% falloff, 3 km away from optimal, your average damage is reduced by a hefty 15%. you go 6km out, it gets a nice hit of 30%. etc. (it's all in the Turret guide)
Anyways, it starts to hurt, and it hurts bad...
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.06.28 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
I still say the blasterthron is on the bottom of the pile when it comes to PVP.
Sure its a crap load of fun to fly one around. But really, agaist a decent opponent in pretty much anything, the mega has less then a fair chance.
Well in 1vs1 it is pretty decent ship, but then it ends, due to certain issues:
1. you have to get close, so you get droned, ew-ed, and scrambled and nossed
2. it's speed and cap is joke and must relay on injector to be able to run anything (folks i need to go to empire since i have only 4 cap charges left... in the middle of nowhere... 4tl)
3. while it might win quite some (pilot skills ) 1vs1 fights or get away(where raven wins even more, but has problems getting away, unless it has h4x mods), it is complete waste of time when it gets to 2vs2 and increasing numbers makes it even worse.
4. hard to fit, still
5. didn't bother to fly one for quite some time, but since nothing from 1-4 has changed i don't see any reason to do it... well maybe soonTM i'll go suicide somewhere.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.28 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Lorth
I still say the blasterthron is on the bottom of the pile when it comes to PVP.
Sure its a crap load of fun to fly one around. But really, agaist a decent opponent in pretty much anything, the mega has less then a fair chance.
Well in 1vs1 it is pretty decent ship, but then it ends, due to certain issues:
1. you have to get close, so you get droned, ew-ed, and scrambled and nossed
2. it's speed and cap is joke and must relay on injector to be able to run anything (folks i need to go to empire since i have only 4 cap charges left... in the middle of nowhere... 4tl)
3. while it might win quite some (pilot skills ) 1vs1 fights or get away(where raven wins even more, but has problems getting away, unless it has h4x mods), it is complete waste of time when it gets to 2vs2 and increasing numbers makes it even worse.
4. hard to fit, still
5. didn't bother to fly one for quite some time, but since nothing from 1-4 has changed i don't see any reason to do it... well maybe soonTM i'll go suicide somewhere.
I don't think its really all that great at 1v1's tbh.
The only thing it has going for it, is damage. However the problem is, the mega doesn't do much more damage then most of the other ships. Ships that can do that damage at vastly better range, can fit a better tank while doing it, and have no travel time to the target.
People always say, well you mega does 67,000 DPS. Yet they forget that battles rarely if ever start at 3km, and that considering the time taken to move a BS to your target means that in a typical battle, everyother short range ship does more damage then the mega, because they get to start firing right away.
Sure it works. I'd like to think that I'm a pretty good pilot, and I know that I can make a mega win a large portion of its fights. Yet even against people who have made fitting mistakes, or who I should have a significant advantage over because of a good warp in or what not, are still a challange at times.
But the real problem comes when I find someone who is just as good as I am (player skill wise) and has spent as much on fitting as I have. When the fight starts out on equal terms, and its those situations that I dread in a blasterthron. Not because I don't have faith in my own abilities, but because I'm flying a ship that puts me in a significant dissadvantage.
Give me a domi, or a tempest in that same situation, and I can win a larger portion of those fights. However, a mega, loses fights like that, or wins through a big mistake or a stroke of luck, because its out classed by more or less everyother ship.
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K'reemy G'udness
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Posted - 2006.06.29 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nadec Ascand
Damn u cant read...
Quoted for irony.
I'm somewhat new to the bthron, so I don't have an opinion worth anything about it's PvP capabilities. I'm using it for ratting right now and it owns.
I know there's some good points being made here, but I'll be damned if I can figure out the finer points of the arguments, as I can't understand Aolnglish very well.
I'm not trying to be your english teacher, but I want to understand the arguments better. Could you guys please take the time to make your arguments a bit more readable?
Thanks!
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sidewaysvagina
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Posted - 2006.06.29 23:55:00 -
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This thread is the second sign of the apocalypse in the last week, the first being a "boost amarr" thread. Meridius must be cackling evilly while masterbating to the thought of the old megapulses.
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:10:00 -
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Compared to a jamming dominix which you need no skills to fly. NO. NERF ECM + DOMMYS!
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