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Myxx 747	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:53:00 - [31] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied. Its reputation is a reflection of that. Your "ex" player quote is from infinity ziona...nuf said. Grow up, eve is hard and we make it that way because we like it that way Interestingly enough, Infinity Ziona was complaining about cyberbullying against him that wasn't happening (unless disagreeing with someone on the internet is cyberbullying, then I guess it was happening) around the same time that he decided to threaten people with pictures of himself, verbal abuse irl & his attack dogs. Think about that for a minute OP. I was wondering why that name was relevant. Did not know that. ohwell. in all honesty, it isn't a unique viewpoint I don't think.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19601	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:54:00 - [32] - Quote Jen Takhesis wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied. Wait...wut? Do you ever read what gets posted in these forums? Imagine how bad it would be if the stupid and weak willed weren't excluded. I've seen the forums of other games, by comparison the Eve forums are a paragon of good posting. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Nathaniel Raynaud Space Interstellar Reclamation Services 8	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:55:00 - [33] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Just looked for a random WoW forum post, found this: Quote: Why Pandas Girls are cute They are furry Have cute puppy dog faces Little bunny tails Permanent smile Adorable floppy dance And Private Parker dreams of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cubFqs-oJ5Q (This vid had me crying laughing. It also has great nostalgia shots.) Gimme my beloved EVE sociopaths any day! you think you know a guy, and then he posts in one of those horrible threads where they start "ironically" talking about how they'd totally bang x toon
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 15256	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:58:00 - [34] - Quote EVE ONLINE: Be the villain* being the villain includes only calling yourself a villain. Any action that is deemed unwanted by any player in any way shape or form including those actions that fall wholly within the bounds of the rules of gameplay will be deemed inappropriate and will be dealt with severely. Be the villain at your own risk. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7224	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Myxx wrote: wall of text All of the above is correct. If EVE wants to avoid the slow decline, it needs to introduce areas for consensual PvP (arenas-battlegrounds-whatever) and clamp down on the griefing/suicide-ganking. New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play. Simple as that. Will it happen? No, because ~reasons~ Whatever. Theirs jobs to lose, not mine. Meh. EDIT - and why the hell aren't there normal video-tutorials? What is this, the 1990s? Instead of wasting money on flashy intros, get a nice 2-hour long video tutorial on how to actually play the game. What I will enver ever understand is why people like you play a video game that has guns in it if you have a problem with being shot. I mean that in the broadest sense, one of the things I've learned being a gamer is that most gamers are show weak of mind and shallow of ego that 'dying' in a video game somehow 'hurts'. Stll, as long as there are games for those (virtually spineless) masses and then games for the "it's not real so no F$!*%s are given by me if I explode", Im fine with it, we can have EVE and they can have the rest of the MMO-verse..... ...Then here comes the insidous carebear types that aren't satisfyed with 99.9% of all westenr MMOs. No, EVE must be assimilated into the "wrap everyone in cotton" carebear fold too. THAT's what I find outrageous.
Badden Powell Future Dynamics 13	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:01:00 - [36] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Awwwwww damnnnn... Torch and Pitchfork Firesale!!!!!!!!!! WTB, 1 of each please. WTB: Torch BPO, Pitchfork BPO. having pondered the OP for a moment, i can testify that i'm not the person to answer or solve the "problem" they point out. The thought of scaring away potential players ( customers ), would keep any marketing, PR, or other executive awake at night... but is it truly a problem? From personal experience, i had no desire to play MMO games ever. The impression i got from MMO's was they were all some form of "fight this dragon, then bring its balls to that wizard". EVE is the first one i tried, and the only one i still play. The biggest draw is and always has been the ships. I like space ships, and interstellar travel. While the number of MMO in space titles has grown, EVE is still a place where you can choose to be ruggedly independent, organize in a quasi socialist commune, or just log in and shoot the first thing that crosses your path to see what happens. In the meantime, i will have a collection of star ships to pour over, figure out which ones are missing, and how to acquire them.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7224	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:01:00 - [37] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: EVE ONLINE: Be the villain* *being the villain includes only calling yourself a villain. Any action that is deemed unwanted by any player in any way shape or form including those actions that fall wholly within the bounds of the rules of gameplay will be deemed inappropriate and will be dealt with severely. Be the villain at your own risk. It's so true it pisses me right off. RIGHT OFF I say .
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 443	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:02:00 - [38] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play. New people should have a completely safe area to play while they learn, but if you make that available for just anyone then everywhere else is going to be very quiet. And you've my point for me. If current gameplay mode is superior, then CCP has nothing to worry about. But if even a goon admits that this new safe mode proposed will be more attractive to EVERYONE, well, thats an answer in itself.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 6264	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:04:00 - [39] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: even a goon Predjudice is the most poisonous thing that currently exists in the game "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 1246	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:04:00 - [40] - Quote Badden Powell wrote: The impression i got from MMO's was they were all some form of "fight this dragon, then bring its balls to that wizard". In EVE, you get to blow up and pod someone, then bring his frozen corpse to your CEO. EVE Online: Death-o-meter
Jeremy Kamira 15	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:05:00 - [41] - Quote Most of the things i see you talking about is the risk factor (IDK what else to do call it). Most people don't want so spend hours grinding and have the chance of losing whatever they grinded for, they want to play a game that is a risk free enviroment and eve is the very opposite of risk free enviroment. Even highsec carebears have the chance to lose lots of stuff by ganking. Players don't like that so they shy away.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19603	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:06:00 - [42] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: even a goon Predjudice is the most poisonous thing that currently exists in the game That's only because IZ has left and certain other ~~posters~~ poisonous things appear to taking a holiday from the forums. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 2075	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:09:00 - [43] - Quote It's not a problem. EvE's reputation is a celebration of what the game is. Nothing to fix at all. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7226	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:09:00 - [44] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play. New people should have a completely safe area to play while they learn, but if you make that available for just anyone then everywhere else is going to be very quiet. And you've my point for me. If current gameplay mode is superior, then CCP has nothing to worry about. But if even a goon admits that this new safe mode proposed will be more attractive to EVERYONE, well, thats an answer in itself. That's black and white thinking. It's superior to the right kind of player. It's obvioulsy inferior to the instant gratification crowd. The proper way forward for CCP is to find a way to retain the right kinds of players, the 'hobbyist' who will stay with the game and invest their time and money into it. All the ideas I see people having result in 'open the flood gates to just anyone'. To borrow a Goon term, we don't need more "pubbies", they do more hamr than good.
Titania Hrothgar Nemesis Retribution No Excuse. 79	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:10:00 - [45] - Quote Well, Eve can start with fixing a few scams. The ISK scam would be an EASY fix- it'd require so little effort on CCP's part that by them not doing so, they're sending the message to all that it's both legal and encouraged. They could fix the contract delivery stuff so that if you are delivering someone else's belongings and they destroy you with alts, you STILL have the right to get identical items and make the delivery. I don't know. There are ways to throw a wrench in scams. It's not all about being blown up that discourages people- it's that you can't trust anyone with anything. The moment someone asks for something, they're automatically the enemy and you should either run or destroy them. Every one in Eve is looking to take your ISK and keep you from gaining anymore. That's what pisses people off. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7226	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:12:00 - [46] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: Well, Eve can start with fixing a few scams. The ISK scam would be an EASY fix- it'd require so little effort on CCP's part that by them not doing so, they're sending the message to all that it's both legal and encouraged. They could fix the contract delivery stuff so that if you are delivering someone else's belongings and they destroy you with alts, you STILL have the right to get identical items and make the delivery. I don't know. There are ways to throw a wrench in scams. It's not all about being blown up that discourages people- it's that you can't trust anyone with anything. The moment someone asks for something, they're automatically the enemy and you should either run or destroy them. Every one in Eve is looking to take your ISK and keep you from gaining anymore. That's what pisses people off. Hard to fathom that you've chosen to play EVE Online.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 6264	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:14:00 - [47] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: Well, Eve can start with fixing a few scams. The ISK scam would be an EASY fix- it'd require so little effort on CCP's part that by them not doing so, they're sending the message to all that it's both legal and encouraged. They could fix the contract delivery stuff so that if you are delivering someone else's belongings and they destroy you with alts, you STILL have the right to get identical items and make the delivery. I don't know. There are ways to throw a wrench in scams. It's not all about being blown up that discourages people- it's that you can't trust anyone with anything. The moment someone asks for something, they're automatically the enemy and you should either run or destroy them. Every one in Eve is looking to take your ISK and keep you from gaining anymore. That's what pisses people off. Not when they know it's both legal and encouraged. Which it is, and everyone is told that constantly By everyone Even the advertising "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 2075	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:15:00 - [48] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: Well, Eve can start with fixing a few scams. The ISK scam would be an EASY fix- it'd require so little effort on CCP's part that by them not doing so, they're sending the message to all that it's both legal and encouraged. They could fix the contract delivery stuff so that if you are delivering someone else's belongings and they destroy you with alts, you STILL have the right to get identical items and make the delivery. I don't know. There are ways to throw a wrench in scams. It's not all about being blown up that discourages people- it's that you can't trust anyone with anything. The moment someone asks for something, they're automatically the enemy and you should either run or destroy them. Every one in Eve is looking to take your ISK and keep you from gaining anymore. That's what pisses people off. None of this would work because the ingenuity of the large player base exceeds that of the limited number of devs. One scam would be replaced by another. It's not up to CCP to stop the scammers from achieving their goals. It's up to the players not to fall for the scams and/or to figure out themselves how to beat them. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Titania Hrothgar Nemesis Retribution No Excuse. 79	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:17:00 - [49] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Titania Hrothgar wrote: Well, Eve can start with fixing a few scams. The ISK scam would be an EASY fix- it'd require so little effort on CCP's part that by them not doing so, they're sending the message to all that it's both legal and encouraged. They could fix the contract delivery stuff so that if you are delivering someone else's belongings and they destroy you with alts, you STILL have the right to get identical items and make the delivery. I don't know. There are ways to throw a wrench in scams. It's not all about being blown up that discourages people- it's that you can't trust anyone with anything. The moment someone asks for something, they're automatically the enemy and you should either run or destroy them. Every one in Eve is looking to take your ISK and keep you from gaining anymore. That's what pisses people off. Hard to fathom that you've chosen to play EVE Online. Oh, I must be one of these people? I'm going to hide my head in the sands because I brought up one of the most common complaints of the people the OP posted about? You're very presumptuous, aren't you? No, I'm not stupid enough to fall for these scams, therefore, I'm not bothered by them. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1499	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:18:00 - [50] - Quote Op, I don't think there's a problem here. The gaming industry is fragmented into different demographics, not everyone likes Sci fi just like the fact that not everyone likes fantasy, eve suits a certain kind of player that other mmo's may not suit. Tales of infamy and outright greed may be unappealing to many but they are actually quite appealing to others, so the fact that some people in a different game talk about eve in negative terms isn't a problem per se, how many might have read those comments and decided to give eve a try as a result? Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 469	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:19:00 - [51] - Quote EVE is like real life. If you trust the wrong person, you will get burned. If you depend on a wrong person, you will get burned. If you invest in wrong business deal, you will get burned. If you join the wrong group of people, you will get burned. Personally, my experience with EVE community has been nothing but positive - for 8 years straight. That's because I'm an adult who is able to think and decide who and what to trust. Sure, there are extremes not directly linked to my game and experience that should be kept out of the game, but CCP handled that pretty good so far. Personally, as an adult, I see games that are literally babysitting me as an insult to my social intelligence. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 6265	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:19:00 - [52] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: No, I'm not stupid enough to fall for these scams, therefore, I'm not bothered by them. So what's your point? Things that dont bother you affect you in what way? Why did you bring it up? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
Nathaniel Raynaud Space Interstellar Reclamation Services 10	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:21:00 - [53] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: even a goon Predjudice is the most poisonous thing that currently exists in the game why do people hate goons so much, anyway. is it because they're libertarians
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 15257	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:21:00 - [54] - Quote How to "fix" Eve Online for those who don't like it. Copy/Paste WoW into Eve Directory. Modify all files with race names to include "space" in front of it, i.e. Space Orcs, Space Dwarfs and Space Pandas. Insert Eve Online welcome screen into startup sequence. Enjoy "Eve Online". *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 1250	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:21:00 - [55] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: It's not all about being blown up that discourages people- it's that you can't trust anyone with anything. The moment someone asks for something, they're automatically the enemy and you should either run or destroy them. Every one in Eve is looking to take your ISK and keep you from gaining anymore. That's what pisses people off. One of the things I love about EVE is that trust and friendship are very real and valuable. Exactly because they're rare and you cannot just take them for granted because the game mechanics don't allow anyone to be naughty. EVE Online: Death-o-meter
Chewytowel Haklar Dayman Industries 38	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:22:00 - [56] - Quote Yeah this game is nowhere near as awesome or special as its players seem to think it is. It's a mess of a game whose only saving grace is pvp, and that is a mess as well.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5524	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:23:00 - [57] - Quote Myxx wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied. Its reputation is a reflection of that. Your "ex" player quote is from infinity ziona...nuf said. Grow up, eve is hard and we make it that way because we like it that way Interestingly enough, Infinity Ziona was complaining about cyberbullying against him that wasn't happening (unless disagreeing with someone on the internet is cyberbullying, then I guess it was happening) around the same time that he decided to threaten people with pictures of himself, verbal abuse irl & his attack dogs. Think about that for a minute OP. I was wondering why that name was relevant. Did not know that. ohwell. in all honesty, it isn't a unique viewpoint I don't think. It's not an uncommon occurence for someone who quits over some silly reason (in that particular case, he was being AFK cloaky camped by someone he had previously AFK cloaky camped) to 'add in a little extra', usually calling on the worst case scenarios in an attempt to bolster their inherently false & petty argument. What this really comes down to is; Do you care what the sheeple think? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 2076	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:25:00 - [58] - Quote Titania Hrothgar wrote: Oh, I must be one of these people? I'm going to hide my head in the sands because I brought up one of the most common complaints of the people the OP posted about? You're very presumptuous, aren't you? However, people get pissed off because their level of anger is inversely proportional to their acceptance of responsibility. No scammer and no scam ever, forced anyone to lose their money. When people who fall for scams get angry it's because they want to blame someone else, rather than accept that it was their own fault, 100%. As soon as there is a change in perspective, there is a change in the level of anger and an opportunity to learn from the situation and figure out how to not fall for the same thing again. Those are lessons that sometimes carry over into RL too, in terms of the general principles of dealing with difficult situations. There is so much about this game that adds to it's depth and to the challenge it throws up. Scams are very much a part of that. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7229	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:27:00 - [59] - Quote Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: EVE is like real life. If you trust the wrong person, you will get burned. If you depend on a wrong person, you will get burned. If you invest in wrong business deal, you will get burned. If you join the wrong group of people, you will get burned. Personally, my experience with EVE community has been nothing but positive - for 8 years straight. That's because I'm an adult who is able to think and decide who and what to trust. Sure, there are extremes not directly linked to my game and experience that should be kept out of the game, but CCP handled that pretty good so far. Personally, as an adult, I see games that are literally babysitting me as an insult to my social intelligence. +1 And EVE is like real life. The problem is that msot gamers play games to get away from a sucky real life. EVE tends to remind people that "yep, it's confirmed, you suck, can't get laid out there, can't get a kill in here either" I'm not trying to escape anything (thus I fit in EVE), I play games to solve problems and feel good about solving them, like I solved the ganker and scammer problem 7 years ago (well, almost, I did buy a 100+ mil hauler once in a hurry lol, btu I've never been ganked despite killing millions of npcs).
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5524	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:28:00 - [60] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play. New people should have a completely safe area to play while they learn, but if you make that available for just anyone then everywhere else is going to be very quiet. And you've my point for me. If current gameplay mode is superior, then CCP has nothing to worry about. But if even a goon admits that this new safe mode proposed will be more attractive to EVERYONE, well, thats an answer in itself. No, my point is new people should, by all rights, have a little area where they can learn the game without having to worry about people tricking them in to being blown up. Your point is something about the 50 million dollar vaporware known as Star Citizen. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com

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