Just my opinion but CCP's primary motivation in anything they do is to dig deeper into everyone's pocket. Income for the average player goes down year after year and market prices continue to go up year after year. I don't need to read any of the propaganda put out by CCP as to why they decided to do this or that. It all means the same thing in the end.

On one of his free time projects, he effectively made a bomb that would bump everything in its explosion radius after explaining how all ships are spheres and the bomb would make one giant sphere. He got his inspiration for this from the "Dreadbuchet" tactic that is wildly hilarious. He does also listen to input from players and he does also care about the game.

I have been, a turnover of billions a month on copied BPCs.


ME (and PE on a minor effect) are to BPC traders what SEO is to search engines.

In both cases one could argue it's "sugar", it's something almost intangible... yet it's not.

Positioning an e-commerce shop in the first Google search results page makes it worth millions, being at page 2-3 it's worth a tiny fraction of that.


Likewise my ME 500 Capital Parts BPCs would sell quicker, better and at sensibly higher price than a ME 100 or 200 (*)

I have hundreds of BPOs: freigthers, carriers, all sort of ships from frigs to BS, supercap parts, POS [anything] BPCs you name it. Only BPOs I did not purchase were supercaps, because it was a mature-ish market that did not interest me.

In order to have ME 500 and up to ME 3000 (very few items even remotely take advantage of that, but there are) it took 5 years of multiple POSes, the related logistics, the consequences of war decs, the many, MANY standings to be grinded.

MANY accounts were paid hard RL cash (no PLEX).


All of this, in the water closet. CCP caused me a RL cash loss. And not for leisure time, they took away 2 months of my (renewing yearly) subs 3 years ago "just because, no explanation given, no ticket answered". And now again with this coup de t+¬te.

And I don't say more about the "new and improved" direction of the game because the ISD deletes my posts as is.

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(*) For the thick skulls: ME and PE to me matter ZERO. What matters as trader and industrialist is:

- turnover
- volume
- profit.

Regardless of ME and PE actual effects, what matters is the competitive advantage, the tangible ISK that gets earned for having invested into research. Exactly like in RL, succesful corporations are those that invest long term in research and it usually pays off.

So, it's just DUMB to say "it was a bad decision" or blah blah:

1) It brought in great competitive advantage and money so it was not dumb at all.
2) Nothing gave a "warning" that such a foundation of the game economy would be suddenly scrapped.
3) A point ALWAYS missed by the "bad decision" proponents, is that they talk like Mr. John Smith new industrialist enters a new game where all start from zero. NOPE. Mr. John Smith wants to sell a Capital Turret? He won't sell ANYTHING AT ALL until he's competitive enough. "Enough" means that a BPO can require 2 years of research before its BPC become appetible at all, so the "wasted years" were a NECESSITY.
"Lol just buy it already researched". Sure, and except rare cases you buy at a premium that almost partly takes into account exactly the years spent to get to its compeititve ME / PE. Yes, there are some "firesale" opportunities and I have maybe 50 billions worth of "firesale" BPOs. Too bad the remaining hundreds of billions worth of BPOs were never sold and I had to pay myself time and money to get them up.

also most of the point of this expansion was to not require perfect ME blueprints in order to compete

an industrialist who hasn't had the time or money to acquire perfect ME blueprints can use job cost, teams, and superior facilities to compete with entrenched industrialists

this is exactly why it's hard to RUTHLESSLY OPTIMIZE your production chain now and why -1% ME from your blueprint is just not that big of an advantage any more

consider this: I have access to superior nullsec facilities that grant me -5% ME, this means I only have to research a BPO to 5 to compete with your ME10 blueprints

The chart that they show in this blog post shows 1 ME being 5% and 5,6,7,8 and 9 ME all being 9%. So your 5 ME gets you within 1% of perfect. I think more to the point since most manufacture jobs prior to this expansion only made single digit margins that means your 5% bonus in null sec makes manufacturing anywhere else pretty much a loss or break even at best.

You don't get business, do you? its never about beeing perfect, its about beeing better than others, you can sell BPC's at the same price as others and yours will be bought, you have more flexibility and are able to undercut others a bit more than they can afford, allows you to control markets better than they do.
Also many people planned for years ahead, doing research that would have resulted in a profit in 2-3 years, they were screwed over as well, not only losing that profit, also losing valuable researchtime.
Basically: everyone who actually put some thought into it and planned for the future got ******, yey CCP

ME (and PE on a minor effect) are to BPC traders what SEO is to search engines.

Crius is the Google Penguin update of our times

Which makes you...what...The Tammy Faye Baker of our times??

I just had a double hernia operation and don't really need to laugh so I would appreciate you Goons calling honest business folks here scammers to go grab your mirrors and take a hard look at yourselves before shiptoasting.

Feedback thread looks great, about 80% NEGATIVE.

Team spew anyone??

Grade school level BP window?

TRILLIONS in unreimbursed wasted skill training, POS fuel and wasted sub money.

Still trying to find a change that made ANY of this crap worth it for folks heavily invested in Industry....no luck so far.

for more examples of an information gap see when ccp patched the contracts window to actually show the lowest price for a thing on contracts instead of whatever dumb default search pattern there was before that artificially increased the perceived minimum price of an item on contract for those who didn't know how the dialog worked

I think the default search pattern is..
(Same as Date-Created - Newest First).. So those 80 are listed first.
Then you can sort those 80 by clicking.

But yes, many people get this wrong as you can flood enough of the same item on contracts and push those cheaper ones back 2-3 pages. And you can even (if you dont have enough to flood contracts) place your orders in a way that makes HIGHER orders appear before cheaper ones.

CCP has never had good "Sorting" on markets, contract, escrow, assets... Better over the years, but never quite to the good stage.

I used to take advantage of contract manipulation a while back on a char... Was sweet, sell an item for 120 mil and then buy the one that the guy put up for 25 mil on contracts.

I have been, a turnover of billions a month on copied BPCs.


ME (and PE on a minor effect) are to BPC traders what SEO is to search engines.

In both cases one could argue it's "sugar", it's something almost intangible... yet it's not.

Positioning an e-commerce shop in the first Google search results page makes it worth millions, being at page 2-3 it's worth a tiny fraction of that.


Likewise my ME 500 Capital Parts BPCs would sell quicker, better and at sensibly higher price than a ME 100 or 200 (*)

I have hundreds of BPOs: freigthers, carriers, all sort of ships from frigs to BS, supercap parts, POS [anything] BPCs you name it. Only BPOs I did not purchase were supercaps, because it was a mature-ish market that did not interest me.

In order to have ME 500 and up to ME 3000 (very few items even remotely take advantage of that, but there are) it took 5 years of multiple POSes, the related logistics, the consequences of war decs, the many, MANY standings to be grinded.

MANY accounts were paid hard RL cash (no PLEX).


All of this, in the water closet. CCP caused me a RL cash loss. And not for leisure time, they took away 2 months of my (renewing yearly) subs 3 years ago "just because, no explanation given, no ticket answered". And now again with this coup de t+¬te.

And I don't say more about the "new and improved" direction of the game because the ISD deletes my posts as is.

---

(*) For the thick skulls: ME and PE to me matter ZERO. What matters as trader and industrialist is:

- turnover
- volume
- profit.

Regardless of ME and PE actual effects, what matters is the competitive advantage, the tangible ISK that gets earned for having invested into research. Exactly like in RL, succesful corporations are those that invest long term in research and it usually pays off.

So, it's just DUMB to say "it was a bad decision" or blah blah:

1) It brought in great competitive advantage and money so it was not dumb at all.
2) Nothing gave a "warning" that such a foundation of the game economy would be suddenly scrapped.
3) A point ALWAYS missed by the "bad decision" proponents, is that they talk like Mr. John Smith new industrialist enters a new game where all start from zero. NOPE. Mr. John Smith wants to sell a Capital Turret? He won't sell ANYTHING AT ALL until he's competitive enough. "Enough" means that a BPO can require 2 years of research before its BPC become appetible at all, so the "wasted years" were a NECESSITY.
"Lol just buy it already researched". Sure, and except rare cases you buy at a premium that almost partly takes into account exactly the years spent to get to its compeititve ME / PE. Yes, there are some "firesale" opportunities and I have maybe 50 billions worth of "firesale" BPOs. Too bad the remaining hundreds of billions worth of BPOs were never sold and I had to pay myself time and money to get them up.

Bingo. Your product could be marketed as something with a differentiated value. Now, it is merely a commodity like all the rest. I have been dumping my cap component BPC's as fast as I could for the last few weeks, and I am still stuck with some, with a few more still in the old station slots. But I can't see I will be making more, given the prices are sinking to ridiculous levels, and fast.

I wonder if you can write that crap without bursting out into laughter yourself...
Well, goons, it's not as if anyone would take you guys serious anymore anyways xD

business is about wise investment

making investments based on deceiving your customers irl is extremely risky as those sorts of activities are highly likely to be regulated out of existence

so too has CCP regulated the scam of "my me 200 bpc is 2x as good as that me100!!!". regrettably the regulation of this scam has impacted your investments: but that's why scammers don't make investments

thank goodness the unblemished name and reputation of the scope is here to represent proper industrialists

the complaint is basically that ccp fixed a case of the game giving poor and misleading information

in ~99.99% of the cases high researched BPC's were used to actually give the buyer a benefit over the BPC's with the same price, but less researched. (YES, there was a benefit)

ah yes the 2 pyerite I saved choosing your ME1975 garde I bpc over an ME500 one was totally worth the 2m I paid for it

face it you were selling snake oil

Oh cmon... if you're already trolling at least pretend you read what you reply to... you can be better than this, i believe in you!

and don't even talk about ore reprocessing. I went from 100% refine to 67%. This is really FUBAR!!!!! Someone in CCP really needs to fix - or better yet - undo this garbage.

Oh well, at least I used to focus on active Trade - and that is what i will be going back to -- but just watch CCP screw that up too.

With Max skills, +4% refining implant, and 50% refine station you get exact same perfect refine on ice. You get about 98% of previous on ore. You have to take into account the new ore batch sizes and the fact they increased the total mins in the ore. So yes, while in the UI it says you are getting 69% (or whatever), it is still possible to get the same amount of mins from the same amount of ore as before (or at least REALLY close).