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LLeonardd
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: LLeonardd on 06/07/2006 22:19:55
Hey all i just started and Picked Caldari based off nothing other then Description of the race. Now i have been watching pvp video and reading up on what i can and it seems that caldari arent really the race of choice for Pvp.
Id Like to be in Pvp Specific ships as that is really the only reason i will be playing this game And have been looking at gallente and they seem to be a solid race and i like the looks of thier ships.
Is it possible to just switch to gallente now so i can utilize more ships for pvp even though ive started as caldari? (either way i still have a month of learning skills before i decide)
*edit* i should probably specify i prefer smaller ships although will use bigger ones when needed
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:20:00 -
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Dude give it time. You'll learn.
Also u can train watever u like, u dont have to be race specific. Most of the Caldaris in my corp fly amarr..
Give it time
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:22:00 -
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Very easy to switch now. It's only really a problem to switch when you have level 5 skills that are specific to your races ships, guns or tanking.
For your information, Gallente are drones, rails, blasters and armour tanks. Caldari are missiles, rails, blasters (but not really) and shield tanks.
Caldari will shortly have a full range of railgun ships (currently they are lacking a battleship), and it's missiles on bigger ships that people feel aren't as good as turrets.
You will also find it a lot easier starting out with Caldari ships than Gallente, certainly for PvE.
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Skva
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:28:00 -
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Same thing happend to me. I started Caldari, got as far as training for a Caracal, then passed a Brutix at a gate.
One year later, I haven't trained a single shield tanking or missile skill since.  Gallente 4tw.
If you fancy a change, best do it early. Though there really is nothing stopping you from training other race's ships.
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LLeonardd
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Skva
Same thing happend to me. I started Caldari, got as far as training for a Caracal, then passed a Brutix at a gate.
One year later, I haven't trained a single shield tanking or missile skill since. Gallente 4tw.
If you fancy a change, best do it early. Though there really is nothing stopping you from training other race's ships.
Ya this is what i Keep hearing lots of caldari just go gallente and it seems to suit my tastes more. Also Tbh i would really really not like to have any pve influence in my decision just because i plan to do as little of it as possible :) thx for answers so far
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Skva
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:40:00 -
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Every race has their place in pvp. I just liked gallente, as I found missiles kind of boring (caldari), and drones and blasters just kind of appealed to me.
Might be a good idea to train all the races frigate skill to 3 or 4, see what you like the best.
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Vasiliyan
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:43:00 -
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Caldari ships can be very effective in PvP, especially using ECM in a gang. Or you can just train up the Gallente spaceship command skills, railguns, drones and armour tanking, and fly Gallente ships. You can always come back to Caldari if you want or need to later.
So long as your character has good attributes and you're happy with your name and portrait, I don't think you should reroll.
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Epsillon
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:49:00 -
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If you enjoy flying the small ships, then the Rook is a very nice Caldari ship.
However, if you're going to stick to flying small ships it's not all too hard to cross-train for the frigates/AFs/Inties etc.
Caldari are gods at PvE, so if you want to train for a Raven and use it for Lvl 4 missioning it's a nice choice, and still leaves you the option to train for the other races frigates or cruisers etc.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:56:00 -
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Caldari are the best race choice in the game right now, because they get everything handed to them. You can be insanely effective in pretty much all areas of gameplay except for mining, and then again nobody mines in a battleship anymore anyways since there is barges and exhumers for that.
Ratting and mission running is extremly easy in a raven, and very fast on top of that. Nearly half of all battleships in existence are ravens as far as I have heard, and I believe it, because pretty much anyone can use this ship with very few skills effectively. Also the raven is awsome for small gang PvP and 1vs1, and despite what people say one of the best long range platforms in the game if it works in conjunction with an interceptor or dictor that can keep the target in place.
The Scorpion is nothing short of ridiculously efficient. I would call it the single most overpowered ship in the game. Even though it doesn't have a lot of firepower it is the only ship that can dish it out over 220km range easily without having a single tech 2 mod on board using ECM. Scorpions are always welcome in any PvP situation, be it small gang or fleet, make no mistake about it, this ship is excelent. People will try to sell you the fact that people are so scared of it that they always try to shoot it down first as a disadvantage, but that just proves how good it really is.
With Kali they are supposed to get a dedicated gunship as well, which will mean that there will be absoloutly nothing missing in the lineup of pretty much perfect ships for any job.
The only reason why Caldari could be considered the wrong choice of race by anyone is because everyone who doesn't play Caldari thinks they are cheesier then a pizza quatro fromagi...
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Arkanor
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:59:00 -
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I picked Gallente because of the Megathron alone, I saw one and wanted it immediately.
Most of my frigates are Caldari though, Crow FTW!
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:00:00 -
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tbh strange thing is that all races is wrong: oki let me explain
most efective tipe of plaiing for new players is specelizing in 1 race and u will how much your race will ****of u tbh i cant stand gallente ships 
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Admiral Seafort
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:01:00 -
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If you're Caldari focused and are ever in a fleet situation though, you can basically forget about shooting anything. You're going to bring a plated Scorp (because Ravens are useless in snipefests) and get called primary and die within the first minute of the engagement. Wewt 
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Gnawl Sergner
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:02:00 -
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I'm currently training up Gallente right now myself. If your character is very very new, I'd just make a new one if that is what you want. I thought about doing it, but I've got 1.6mil skill points. The only bonus I'd get from creating a new character is a different name/look and Racial Frigate to IV instantly. I'll soon have Gallente Frigate to IV :)
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LLeonardd
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
I picked Gallente because of the Megathron alone, I saw one and wanted it immediately.
Most of my frigates are Caldari though, Crow FTW!
Hehe this is really the only thing holding me back. I really want to fly a crow/manticore (even if sb's are bad).
And to Noriath Ecm doesnt really appeal to me im more of a in your face damage type of person
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Vathar
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:13:00 -
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Baaah, don't listen to the flavour of the month posts.
Pick a race because you like the look of some ships, or a kind of strategy that appeals you, then learn how to fly the ships you like and how to put yourself in a position where your ship's strength are maximized.
The only mandatory module in this game is your brain ...
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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LLeonardd
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vathar
Baaah, don't listen to the flavour of the month posts.
Pick a race because you like the look of some ships, or a kind of strategy that appeals you, then learn how to fly the ships you like and how to put yourself in a position where your ship's strength are maximized.
The only mandatory module in this game is your brain ...
Yep that would be gallente then hehe thanks to everyone for the help \o/
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:35:00 -
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Yes. To your question.
If you want to kill things (besides pve, caldari really shine there[insert raven here]) train another race. Caldari boats that are actually usefull in pvp have a BIG PRIMARY sign on them. but again that's just my opinion.
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Xoduse
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:41:00 -
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Your tastes sound a lot like mine. I like the stick it in and break it off type of combat as well. Which is why I fly around with blasters 80% of the time in PvP. But I did train up the raven really quick so I could NPC in 0.0 and pay for all those nice pvp ships. I just got all the missile skills to 3, the damage ones to 4, and Caldari BS IV and I was on a money making spree. But as far as pvp I wouldnt trade gallente for anything :) The only other ships that really appeal to me is Minnie's autocannon monsters like the Vagabond. But its up close combat so thats why it appeals to me.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: LLeonardd
Edited by: LLeonardd on 06/07/2006 22:19:55
Hey all i just started and Picked Caldari based off nothing other then Description of the race. Now i have been watching pvp video and reading up on what i can and it seems that caldari arent really the race of choice for Pvp.
Id Like to be in Pvp Specific ships as that is really the only reason i will be playing this game And have been looking at gallente and they seem to be a solid race and i like the looks of thier ships.
Is it possible to just switch to gallente now so i can utilize more ships for pvp even though ive started as caldari? (either way i still have a month of learning skills before i decide)
*edit* i should probably specify i prefer smaller ships although will use bigger ones when needed
Depends on your personal preferences. I myself fly both caldari and gallente ships. I actually prefer caldari ships for pvp, and gallente for pve, but thats more a question of my style than anything else.
As a general rule (there are exceptions though), heres what you can expect from each races ships:
Gallente: Bigger drone bays, more turret hardpoints and low slots, very few mid slots, almost no missiles. Stronger armor, weaker shields. Bonuses for drone and/or hybrid range/damage.
Caldari: Small or nonexistant drone bays, more missile hard points. Lots of mid slots for ECM/Ewar gear, very few low slots, average high slots. Strong shields, weak hulls/armor. Lots of CPU (makes fitting easier for new players). Bonuses for missile and/or ECM gear range/effectiveness.
In a nut shell, most gallente ships are designed to fit microwarp drives and blasters, close with an enemy quickly, and do a lot of damage in close with drones/blasters, while armor tanking. Caldari ships, on the other hand, are designed to be shield tanks, and/or long range missile or electronic warfare platforms.
Both can be very effective when used properly. Just train up for whichever suits your playstyle more, or train up both until you figure out which one to focus on.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xoduse
Your tastes sound a lot like mine. I like the stick it in and break it off type of combat as well. Which is why I fly around with blasters 80% of the time in PvP. But I did train up the raven really quick so I could NPC in 0.0 and pay for all those nice pvp ships. I just got all the missile skills to 3, the damage ones to 4, and Caldari BS IV and I was on a money making spree. But as far as pvp I wouldnt trade gallente for anything :) The only other ships that really appeal to me is Minnie's autocannon monsters like the Vagabond. But its up close combat so thats why it appeals to me.
Speaking as someone who can fly just about any ship either caldari or gallente have to offer, I honestly fail to see the obsession with the caldari ships (specifically the Raven) for PvE. Sure, the raven is probably the easiest battleship for a noob to go ratting in because it takes relatively few skills to be minimally effective, but once you have some skillpoints, there are far better ratting ships out there.
Personally, I believe the dominix to be the best solo NPC hunting ship in the game. It can tank like no tomorrow, all while dealing sick damage with its drones, and as long as youre not a drone noob, you wont ever lose any drones, which means you arent incurring any expenses while you are ratting. Ive solo'd spawns in my domi that have pilots of other battleships asking for help.
I like my raven for PvP, but in PvE, if the job is at all a tough one, I leave it in the hangar in favor of my dominix.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
[...], and as long as youre not a drone noob, you wont ever lose any drones[...]
You mean, as long as you don't CTD or lag out and your drones get killed because CCP thinks it's hilarious if Dominix pilots loose tech 2 equipment to game crashes...
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Caldari are the best race choice in the game right now, because they get everything handed to them. You can be insanely effective in pretty much all areas of gameplay except for mining, and then again nobody mines in a battleship anymore anyways since there is barges and exhumers for that.
Ratting and mission running is extremly easy in a raven, and very fast on top of that. Nearly half of all battleships in existence are ravens as far as I have heard, and I believe it, because pretty much anyone can use this ship with very few skills effectively. Also the raven is awsome for small gang PvP and 1vs1, and despite what people say one of the best long range platforms in the game if it works in conjunction with an interceptor or dictor that can keep the target in place.
The Scorpion is nothing short of ridiculously efficient. I would call it the single most overpowered ship in the game. Even though it doesn't have a lot of firepower it is the only ship that can dish it out over 220km range easily without having a single tech 2 mod on board using ECM. Scorpions are always welcome in any PvP situation, be it small gang or fleet, make no mistake about it, this ship is excelent. People will try to sell you the fact that people are so scared of it that they always try to shoot it down first as a disadvantage, but that just proves how good it really is.
With Kali they are supposed to get a dedicated gunship as well, which will mean that there will be absoloutly nothing missing in the lineup of pretty much perfect ships for any job.
The only reason why Caldari could be considered the wrong choice of race by anyone is because everyone who doesn't play Caldari thinks they are cheesier then a pizza quatro fromagi...
QFT
With the addition of a railgun sniper, there is no reason to train any other race other than Caldari unless you just like the looks/style of a particular race.
For PVP:
Crow
Caracal
Blackbird
Ferox
Rook/Falcon
Cerberus
Scorp
Raven
CaldariRailboat soonÖ
TBH its one of the best setups in the game. The sniping thing was never an issue tbh because you can always put a few turrets on a raven or scorp for long range. With the new BS there will be absolutely no holes or gaps in the Caldari lineup.
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux
The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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LLeonardd
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
QFT
With the addition of a railgun sniper, there is no reason to train any other race other than Caldari unless you just like the looks/style of a particular race.
For PVP:
Crow
Caracal
Blackbird
Ferox
Rook/Falcon
Cerberus
Scorp
Raven
CaldariRailboat soonÖ
TBH its one of the best setups in the game. The sniping thing was never an issue tbh because you can always put a few turrets on a raven or scorp for long range. With the new BS there will be absolutely no holes or gaps in the Caldari lineup.
Nyxus
Ya im aware of the fact that caldari have decent pvp ships but TBH missiles just dont tickle my fancy and as others pointed out caldari dont really cover my playstyle as a in your face damage dealer. Thx for the tips though
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:44:00 -
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Yeah, pick something you like. Gallente ships are the kings of 1v1 combat, which makes them great for pirates. The Thorax and Taranis have probably collected more bounties than any other ships.
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KayaYautja
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: KayaYautja on 07/07/2006 00:59:22
Edited by: KayaYautja on 07/07/2006 00:59:02
Do what i'm doing, train the race you like best, then try something new.... 11 mil SP in missiles and shields, had enough, now gonna try gallente. I have decent gunnery skills already so it ain't gonna take long, longest skill is gonna be gallente cruiser five. Even then thats all i'll need for gallente HACS
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:58:00 -
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Well, if you go by what you like and not just the numbers you're a better player then most, and I apreciate that. For the most in your face close up fighting probaply Gallente is the race to watch, since both Dominix and Megathron are great close range ships. We're also seeing the Typhoon emerge as one of the top close range ships in the galaxy right now though, it's new potential hasn't fully sunk in yet, but I think those with the skills to use it will soon leave their mark on the battlefields...
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Acerus Malum
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Posted - 2006.07.07 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: LLeonardd
Edited by: LLeonardd on 06/07/2006 22:19:55
Hey all i just started and Picked Caldari based off nothing other then Description of the race.
You chose correctly, then.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.07.07 02:39:00 -
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Yes you picked the wrong race.
(Seriously, there are waaay too many of us!)
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.07.07 02:54:00 -
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Ravens and scorps are great.
Hawks are awesome to so getting one is a great idea. Then if you want to be a rail user you have the option of the Moa,the Ferox,Harpy,Eagle and that new BS comming in Kali.
Caldari are just the most well balanced race for fighting tbh.
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LLeonardd
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Posted - 2006.07.07 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: LLeonardd on 07/07/2006 03:33:55
Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Ravens and scorps are great.
Hawks are awesome to so getting one is a great idea. Then if you want to be a rail user you have the option of the Moa,the Ferox,Harpy,Eagle and that new BS comming in Kali.
Caldari are just the most well balanced race for fighting tbh.
No offense intended But from what i understand those are all sniping ships and tbh sniping doesnt really appeal to me atm but thanks for the info anyway :)
My main problem is i dont think caldari suit my play style im not much of a number cruncher cause ive seen all the ships used and pvp and know they are all good in thier own right
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.07 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Caldari are just the most well balanced race for fighting tbh.
You mean the most cheesy overpowered can-do-anything-with-one-set-of-command-skills race? Yea, you're right there.
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Kryptic1
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Posted - 2006.07.07 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kryptic1 on 07/07/2006 03:47:47
Edited by: Kryptic1 on 07/07/2006 03:47:35
Originally by: Nyxus
For PVP:
Crow Pretty good, but not necessarily the undisputed king
Caracal Big damage, but they explode when you glance at them
Blackbird No argument here
Ferox What? BC almost uniformly suck at PVP, doing cruiser-sized damage while taking almost full damage from BS
Rook/Falcon OK, but at least 3rd and 4th place to Curse and Pilgrim
Cerberus Don't really know its ranking among the HACs, but I do know it's really expensive
Scorp Small group: yeah, fleet combat: insta-melt
Raven Small group: pretty good, fleet: lol hope you like waiting 35 seconds for torps and 13 for cruises at 100km
CaldariRailboat soonÖ I'll laugh if they gimp it, caldari probably deserve it anyway
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EL TITAN
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Posted - 2006.07.07 04:48:00 -
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if you want to be a pvper, what you need to worry about the most is how good is your perception/willpower attributes.
I know caldari can achieve a very good perception/willpower starting point, so your probably lucky more than unlucky.
Like others have said, you can easily train other ship races, shouldnt be much of a problem.
If you want to be a pvp'er Id recomment minmatar ships, they are quite fun in pvp ;o
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Kjermzs
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Posted - 2006.07.07 04:50:00 -
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Can somone expalain how Minmatar compare to the other races? (advantages/dis)
Or is my only racial bonus being able to constuct ships from toilet paper and duct tape? 
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.07.07 06:01:00 -
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Minmatar ships are excelent acctually... The Tempest is highly prized in fleets because of its ability to dish out high damge vollies that do a load of damage in the first shot. It's a true Alphastrike ship.
The Typhoon is insane, there is no other ship in the game that requires that many skills to use currently, but the damage potential it has is downright frightning. It can atack at the same time with 4 guns plus damage bonus, 4 launchers plus damage bonus and 5 heavy drones, with 5 lights in reserve to fight off interceptors. The amount of weaponry and firepower that gives it is awsome.
Minmatar ships usually require the highest amount of skillpoints and very good player strategy to use effectively, but they are very powerful when used by a true master, which is only helped by the fact that people usually underestimate them greatly.
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Father Weebles
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Posted - 2006.07.07 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Father Weebles on 07/07/2006 07:16:43
I was caldari but i trained to gallente because when i was carebearing missions i thought spicing up my drone skills would help for lvl4s, and now im flying a domi for pve, and a vexor for pvp....
In 6 months time i hope ill be flying a tech2 blaster fitted vindicator with 5x tech2 heavy drones...pwnage
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.07.07 07:33:00 -
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*sigh*
Just fly everything.
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Khadur
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Posted - 2006.07.07 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Khadur on 07/07/2006 07:45:16
Edited by: Khadur on 07/07/2006 07:44:07
With the new race.. learning ftw
I hate this forums sometimes, retard edit button
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Khadur
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Posted - 2006.07.07 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Originally by: Lucian Alucard
Caldari are just the most well balanced race for fighting tbh.
You mean the most cheesy overpowered can-do-anything-with-one-set-of-command-skills race? Yea, you're right there.
haha i was just writeing that
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2006.07.07 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Minmatar ships are excelent acctually... The Tempest is highly prized in fleets because of its ability to dish out high damge vollies that do a load of damage in the first shot. It's a true Alphastrike ship.
Having flown every BS in game and trained enough skills to use them all at least half properly when it came to the time to specialise I chose the Tempest. This was mainly because I love the Alphastrike strategy. T2 1400s give awesome medium to long range damage and are capable at extreme ranges too.
About this time I was persuaded to try an autocannon Tempest for gate camping and it rocks. As projectiles use no cap then you can divert all that cap for defense (against gate sentries if needed ) and the short range damage is comperable to other short range setups from Pulse lasers and blasters.
I still fly light Caldari ships especially Crow Caracal Harpy and Hawk. But for now I'll stick with tempest for PvP BS
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.07.07 08:59:00 -
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as a new player ur best of specialising in a race,
and if id start new i wouldnt do that in caldari, cause theres only the crow and eagle intesting to fly,
the rest is useful and effective - but boring.
the tier3 bs might change it, but who knows ;)
amarr isnt that much fun either,
go for gallente or minm is my advice.
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Neferidian
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:17:00 -
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i did a similar mistake as you did.
i picked caldri based on stats and I HATE there ships sigh
currently im training up hybrid gun skills, so i may swap to gal eventualy.
im currently plugging my hopes on the tier3 rail boat, if that sucks. then full swing change
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Chewan Mesa
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vathar
Baaah, don't listen to the flavour of the month posts.
Pick a race because you like the look of some ships, or a kind of strategy that appeals you, then learn how to fly the ships you like and how to put yourself in a position where your ship's strength are maximized.
The only mandatory module in this game is your brain ...
QTF.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:09:00 -
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Bah i hate this gallente flavour of the month ****..
Gallente used to be cool, followed by a: "i f0kking kill ravens"
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.07.07 12:14:00 -
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Don't base your decisions upon some rumors. The races follow diffrent philosophies. Pick the one that fit's your playstile best and train for it (I decided to be cool and trained for Minmatar and now Gallente ).
However Caldari are far from being the worst race for PvP.
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