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Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:15:00 - [91] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Odithia wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: Shoot the Drones. It is simple. Not factoring resist, you need to shoot trough 11.1k HP of Hobgoblin II drones for a Worm to be out of drones. I think it's safe to assume that if you are flying a frigate you'll be toasted before that. For a Gila that's 66.6k HP worth of Hammerhead II. Are...are you sure about those numbers? If so then I take everything I said in this thread and they need a nerf hard. XD I didn't think the EHP on the Hammers were that high. Jesus. EDIT: that for one drone? Or for all the drones combined? Because 400k of ehp to chew if each drone has 66k eHP. That's for the whole dronebay worth of drone. Numbers are from EFT, disregarding shield/armor resist (most of a drone HP come from the structure anyway) and with all skills at V. I'm too lazy to run the numbers manualy.
Renee Chanlin Rapid Withdrawal 7	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:18:00 - [92] - Quote Y'all need to stop posting on the forums and come try to fight the things. If they're not overpowered, you should quite easily be able to solo kill one in an equivalent ship class, amiright?
Athryn Bellee Concordiat Spaceship Samurai 3	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:20:00 - [93] - Quote Renee Chanlin wrote: Yes, it's a pirate faction tech 1 ship. I fly a racial faction tech 1 frig, which is a comet. They are all tech 1 frigs and supposed to be fairly much even. In this situation, "rebalancing" has left the seesaw stuck to the damn ground. Again, I ask you to find me anything that is classed as a tech one frigate, (which includes dramiels, daredevils, firetails, hookbills etc.) that can produce anything close to the stats you've seen posted for the worm on this thread. The ship progression goes like this T1 > Navy > T2 > Pirate. This is why pirate ships have role bonuses and navy ships don't.
Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:46:00 - [94] - Quote Renee Chanlin wrote: Y'all need to stop posting on the forums and come try to fight the things. If they're not overpowered, you should quite easily be able to solo kill one in an equivalent ship class, amiright? https://zkillboard.com/ship/17930/losses/ As you can see, Worms don't die a lot to solo frigate. Slicer for Reference (what can be called a pretty well balanced ship) https://zkillboard.com/ship/17703/losses/ Gila don't die much as well but 1v1 cruiser fight are much rarer than frigate duels. https://zkillboard.com/ship/17715/losses/ If someone care to do some proper datamining...
Athryn Bellee Concordiat Spaceship Samurai 3	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:41:00 - [95] - Quote Odithia wrote: Renee Chanlin wrote: Y'all need to stop posting on the forums and come try to fight the things. If they're not overpowered, you should quite easily be able to solo kill one in an equivalent ship class, amiright? https://zkillboard.com/ship/17930/losses/ As you can see, Worms don't die a lot to solo frigate. Slicer for Reference (what can be called a pretty well balanced ship) https://zkillboard.com/ship/17703/losses/ Gila don't die much as well but 1v1 cruiser fight are much rarer than frigate duels. https://zkillboard.com/ship/17715/losses/ If someone care to do some proper datamining... All of the pirate frigates have few solo losses. Pirate ships are supposed to be stronger than their T1 and Navy counterparts. T1 and Navy do not have role bonuses, T2 and Pirate do and have double skill bonuses.
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 1337	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:53:00 - [96] - Quote Athryn Bellee wrote: Renee Chanlin wrote: Yes, it's a pirate faction tech 1 ship. I fly a racial faction tech 1 frig, which is a comet. They are all tech 1 frigs and supposed to be fairly much even. In this situation, "rebalancing" has left the seesaw stuck to the damn ground. Again, I ask you to find me anything that is classed as a tech one frigate, (which includes dramiels, daredevils, firetails, hookbills etc.) that can produce anything close to the stats you've seen posted for the worm on this thread. The ship progression goes like this T1 > Navy > T2 > Pirate. This is why pirate ships have role bonuses and navy ships don't. This might be the case but its hard to see how any of the other pirate ships (except the new garmur which has its niche) are as strong as t2 frigates. I really don't mind if the pirate ships are more powerful than t2 and really if all the pirate frigates are as powerful as the worm. They cost more than t2 frigates so that's fine with me. The problem I have is just about any reasonable fit of the worm is more powerful than any of the reasonable fits of 3 other pirate ships. The worm has about about 50% more dps and 50% more tank and can project it through scram and disruptor range, uses capless weapons capless tank and largely ewar immune weapons and has pretty much full damage type selection. Like I said to make the succubus competitive it would need another high slot with another turret and more cpu and power grid to support it as well as more agility so it can make a decent use of its ab bonus. If the daredevil dram and cruror are supposed to be better than t2 let alone compete with the worm then they all need substantial buffs. Not just tweaks. I don't mind upping the stakes and making the more expensive ships powerful but they were supposed to balance the pirate ships and I don't think they have ever been this unbalanced. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 1345	Posted - 2014.08.12 15:28:00 - [97] - Quote I am still curious if any fit from a daredevil, succubus or cruror can beat the fairly straight forward fit I posted. To the extent ccp wanted to have them be more powerful than t2 frigates I think the daredevil, succubus and cruror need some boosts. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Squatdog State Protectorate Caldari State 137	Posted - 2014.08.13 04:05:00 - [98] - Quote Renee Chanlin wrote: Yes, it's a pirate faction tech 1 ship. I fly a racial faction tech 1 frig, which is a comet. They are all tech 1 frigs and supposed to be fairly much even. Again, I ask you to find me anything that is classed as a tech one frigate, (which includes dramiels, daredevils, firetails, hookbills etc.) that can produce anything close to the stats you've seen posted for the worm on this thread. It's a PIRATE FACTION Frigate. They're even listed separately from T1 Frigates on the market.
Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:25:00 - [99] - Quote Funny how the Gila is banned from pretty much every AT XII match. So is the Rattlesnake, drone boats to some extents are banned a lot.
Opertone Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 306	Posted - 2014.09.07 10:12:00 - [100] - Quote do not fix what is not broken! do not touch pirate ships, they are good now

Voxinian 39	Posted - 2014.09.07 10:51:00 - [101] - Quote My Orthrus would like to have a word with the 'OP' Gila, one on one.
Ghaustyl Kathix Rising Thunder 28	Posted - 2014.09.07 14:22:00 - [102] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Anyhow, I like my Gurista boat just fine the way they are right now, as king of the heavens not a joke that everyone else were making fun of "Don't nerf it! I use it a lot! I want it to be overpowered" People saying "it costs more, so it should be better" for the Worm and Gila need to learn how the market works. It costs more because now it's a hell of a lot better and there's so much demand that suppliers can pretty much set their price. By the "it costs more" argument, can I demand that the Cruor be buffed if I put it on the market for 90mil too?
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 893	Posted - 2014.09.07 14:35:00 - [103] - Quote Athryn Bellee wrote: Renee Chanlin wrote: Yes, it's a pirate faction tech 1 ship. I fly a racial faction tech 1 frig, which is a comet. They are all tech 1 frigs and supposed to be fairly much even. In this situation, "rebalancing" has left the seesaw stuck to the damn ground. Again, I ask you to find me anything that is classed as a tech one frigate, (which includes dramiels, daredevils, firetails, hookbills etc.) that can produce anything close to the stats you've seen posted for the worm on this thread. The ship progression goes like this T1 > Navy > T2 > Pirate. This is why pirate ships have role bonuses and navy ships don't. not really the pic CCP showed was http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/8742/1/Shiptech.jpg Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please


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