And a Serpentis boat with an inbuilt immobilizer and very angry neutron blasters only does 1200dps so its all good and stuff..

I like my Gurista ships and they suit my style of flying very well, well at least until I jump into Tama and my beautiful ship explodes by association or Ishtars or both.

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Depending of the Worms fit I suppose would be a better way to put it. But again, the Worm isn't the be all end all. The 350 dps need Augmented Drones, otherwise you get around 300, the 10k buffer tank is tech 2 but it other assault frigates can also run up to that.

The Worm can do a huge amount of DPS with a good tank, but it is slow, a fast micro fitted ship can out run it's drones. The Worm from what I've seen is limited to a AB.

The worm can be counted by a Crow, or a Slicer. Just as long as pilot can kite propperly.

I personally would say if the ships need a nerf, it would be a slight one, maybe keeping the DPS the same, but changing the drone HP bonus? Or limiting the fitting so that only a scram could be fitted rather than the point?




Since when is a shield tanked ship, capless? Weapons and drones are capless yeah cool, but as soon as your loss your resists, you're 60k tanks suddenly become 18k.

I do not respond to npcs

We warned that this would happen. CCP is probably going to fix this in the next ship balancing pass.

Like how they are balancing the ishtar right now?

SASB, MASB, LASB, XLASB.

You kind of lost all credibility with that last bit.

Since when is a shield tanked ship, capless? Weapons and drones are capless yeah cool, but as soon as your loss your resists, you're 60k tanks suddenly become 18k.

The fact that the Gila is fairly soft against neuts does not mean the ship isn't OP.

It does T1 battleship damage, and can apply it almost as well as a destroyer or frigate, at both point blank and short range, or (with some issues) medium range.

There are other ships that can do comparable damage at point blank range (the Catalyst comes to mind) but they are extreme glass cannons and unable to do anything at medium range, where the Gila still performs well.

The Gila is countered fairly well by interceptors (which can stalemate it but not kill it, but the interceptor controls the engagement) and by neuting ships. Other than that, it dominates against pretty much everything else.

Look at the 6 month price graph of the other traditional pirate cruisers and frigates from serpentis, blood raiders, and angels and compare it to guristas.

The rattlesnake was about the cheapest pirate bs out there. So you would think if the ships were balanced the gurista frigates and cruisers would be cheaper than the pirate cruisers and frigates. (because all the lp would be going to supply them) Yet its the opposite.

Does anyone who knows how modules work believe the worm and gila are not clearly stronger than the other traditional pirate cruisers and frigates?

Do you think the new hull changes and rework of the drone skill points could be a cause of their increased popularity?

I'm not sure why ccp made these ships so strong. Perhaps they didn't realize how powerful they would be when combined with the buffs to drones.

In a way they are victim of their own success as no one will fight them unless it's bait.

Why not balance them with the other pirate ships? I don't care whether the buff the other pirate frigs and cruisers or nerf the worm and gila or both. But its pretty lopsided right now.

~600 DPS isn't even that good though? Ishtars and VNIs can push 800 with just drones, and they're both considerably cheaper.

I'd like to know why he feels the drones are overpowered, at all. There are only two of the damn things anyway.

Shoot the Drones. It is simple.

I'm just glad I bought a dozen Worm when they were still 52m each a month before the patch.





...back when I was probably the only person in the entire game regularly using them for PVP.

Could you elaborate as to how they're overpowered in any way?

Shoot the Drones. It is simple.

~600 DPS isn't even that good though? Ishtars and VNIs can push 800 with just drones, and they're both considerably cheaper.

I'd like to know why he feels the drones are overpowered, at all. There are only two of the damn things anyway.

Shoot the Drones. It is simple.

Not factoring resist, you need to shoot trough 11.1k HP of Hobgoblin II drones for a Worm to be out of drones.
I think it's safe to assume that if you are flying a frigate you'll be toasted before that.

For a Gila that's 66.6k HP worth of Hammerhead II.

shtars are heavy assault cruisers. VNIs are faction cruisers.

Worms are TECH ONE FRIGATES. Find me a tech one frigate that can do that kind of damage and be immune to ECM and you'll have presented a fair comparison.

WUT?

Ishtars are heavy assault cruisers. VNIs are faction cruisers.

Worms are TECH ONE FRIGATES. Find me a tech one frigate that can do that kind of damage and be immune to ECM and you'll have presented a fair comparison.

No it is a pirate faction ship. Did you miss the point of why they rebalanced the ships? Pirate ships are supposed to be stronger than T1 and some T2 ships of the same hull class.