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John Belkin	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:05:00 - [1] This is a question, not an answer, but there are some points that raised it, i.e. 1. Does it remind you 2 mwd/afterburner mallers we had before that got nerfed? For me it does. Same dps, same speed, same wolfpacks, same tactics. 2. Why can anyone invest money in implants and make vaga overrun any _normal_, non-implanted inty, while inty pilot cannot invest money in implants and overdamage any non-implanted vagabond? Why should a cruiser be able to overrun inty at all, doesn't that negate the point of flying inties itself? Or you suggest inty pilots, who sometimes pop from 1-2 volleys to invest alot to the expensive snake set? Discussion is welcome.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:09:00 - [2] You totally overlooked inty agility, the vaga may be fast but it's not agile. Also your point about an inty fitting implants to outdmg a vaga is dumb.
BOldMan	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:11:00 - [3] How much overpowered the vaga is? Too much. Duvolle was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. Their engineers and designers have failed utterly, creating a ship slower than even its Caldari counterpar
booh	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:13:00 - [4] Everybody says that speed is main Minmatar speciality. Theres only Jaguar thats also noticably faster than other ships in it's class. Every other class has comparable speed with other races - or the difference is not mentionable and that big of advantage. So you can't whine about it. Tbh we should whine about it... Maybe the Vaga has slightly too much powergrid, i'd agree if like 100 PG would be shifted over to the Muninn
steveid	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:16:00 - [5] Its one of the few ships in this game that are pretty dependent upon individual skill in order to be good in it. I dont think its overpowered at all, in fact i believe it should spawn a new range of HAC's as i dont believe it is a HAC in the same way all the others are. It would be nice if all of the races have a fast attack skirmish cruiser like this, one that doesn't have uber dps but can still pack a punch, is fast moving and bottom line is a lot of fun to fly.
Toshiro Khan	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:33:00 - [6] Originally by: John Belkin 2. Why can anyone invest money in implants and make vaga overrun any _normal_, non-implanted inty, while inty pilot cannot invest money in implants and overdamage any non-implanted vagabond? And maybe its the implants that are overpowered and not the ship? The vag is fine, as it is.. its no more over powered then say the zealot with its high damge very decent tank or the cerb with its missle spam tank and gank set up.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:35:00 - [7] Wow, lets just kill the ship for anyone who can't afford those implants! Thanks for that! Your problem is actually with the implants, without them a faction fitted Vaga with a couple of Nano's isn't faster than a Inty (I beleive). If you were to lower the speed then it would be screwed for anyone like myself who can't afford the implants/faction gear. Don't ruin the good ships minmatar have just because there are some rich buggers out there. If they get caught with a faction fitted Vaga and podded then they lose a hell of a lot for a HAC. RISK VS REWARD. The Vaga has 7m/s more than a Stabber before you get in it, you don't hear anyone complaining about its speed. Its the faction gear and speed implants not the ship.
Jeni Shinnen	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:44:00 - [8] vaga is fine, it isn't that great at all, its tank is pretty weak. Also, it can be pretty agile with a domi nanofiber. - Jeni ♥
Foxyoneill	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:49:00 - [9] Hmhmmm i think that the worst thing about the Vaga is its drone bay. 5 Light Drones rip interceptors to bits :-( Not other HAC bar Gallente can be interceptor proof like the Vaga can.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Deja Thoris You totally overlooked inty agility, the vaga may be fast but it's not agile. Also your point about an inty fitting implants to outdmg a vaga is dumb. He didnt refer to dmg output, but rather to its speed. which even without implants almost equals to that of a MWDing inty, which makes the speed differential so small, that the vaga has plenty of time to shot down the chasing inty before it can get under its guns.. which tbh is against what inty does. Quote: It would be nice if all of the races have a fast attack skirmish cruiser like this, one that doesn't have uber dps but can still pack a punch, is fast moving and bottom line is a lot of fun to fly. QFT! I would gladly retract the requests to nerf the Stababond, if other races could fit at least one HAc of theirs in similiar fashion for skirmishing with 3 wcs, and still packing good tank and firepower! ------------------ If you are tired of fleet combat lag, post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:57:00 - [11] Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left. Well to be fair, the Stababond makes sense from the role playing perspective, as the minmatar are the hit and run race, the weak one and not the strong which holds the field. But when everyone starts to use and see it beyond role playing, it becomes overpowered cause its impossible to force that ship to die. ------------------ If you are tired of fleet combat lag, post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Rexy	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left. actually even without stabs they are hard enough to catch, you will need a double web and a scrambler on one to keep it in place, and all at the same time. It's hard to catch already, fitting two stabs on it just makes it even harder. but it's not hard to catch just because of the stabs. wich is easy enough to proove as loads of stabbed ships die everyday
dabster	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:09:00 - [14] Its only fair we get a HAC that pwns when the Muninn has so many flaws, stop whining or fly one yourself ffs. RE #2 - Because HAC is BIGGER and BADDER than INTERCEPTOR who is meant to TACKLE or shoot OTHER SMALL ships? This thread makes zero logic tbfh. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:09:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/07/2006 11:10:03 It really annoys me that people think the Vagabond is overpowered. The whole point of minmatar is speed. I guess its fine minnie have speedy ships, but not when they become a real threat in pvp, right? Yes, the vagabond is hard to beat, but so is Dominix and lots of other ships. Every race have a few really popular ships, and i would say Gallente have most of them. Ever tried going up towards domi with EW + NOS + drones? Doesnt matter what battleship you are in, you are going to die if he locks first. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
NirvanaA	Posted - 2006.07.13 16:08:00 - [16] Time to put this whiney child in his place. First of all, the Vagabond only has speed over all the other HACs. Take a look at its shields, they arn't very good compared to other HACs and its damage isn't very good compared to other HACs. Some HACs have battleship like damage and some HACs have battleship like tanking. So if one HAC doesn't have that but has the speed of a inty you WANT TO NERF IT?? Your a moron.
Waragha	Posted - 2006.07.13 16:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left.
Kirov VIII	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:00:00 - [18] LOL, only speed ... You laught ??? Vagabond is the overpoweredhac ... He can shoot all other hac ... Tank and damage are very good on this ship .. Try a hac amarr for laught and you fight a vagabond. You can understand after. But it's not only HAC, it's a lot of ship Minmatar. I'm sorry but it's true. Take a rupture for example against another cruiser. Minmatar ship have speed, agility, firepower, both tank (shield/armor) and make all damage with their ammo. If you pilot a minmatar ship, try a amarr, caldari or gallente ...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Kirov VIII LOL, only speed ... You laught ??? Vagabond is the overpoweredhac ... He can shoot all other hac ... Tank and damage are very good on this ship .. Try a hac amarr for laught and you fight a vagabond. You can understand after. But it's not only HAC, it's a lot of ship Minmatar. I'm sorry but it's true. Take a rupture for example against another cruiser. Minmatar ship have speed, agility, firepower, both tank (shield/armor) and make all damage with their ammo. If you pilot a minmatar ship, try a amarr, caldari or gallente ... Minmatar have speed, but definently not the best firepower. Thats gallente with blasters. The ships are armor OR shield tanked, usually not both. :) And they do not do all damage with their ammo because they also use drones. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Mudkest	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:24:00 - [20] Originally by: John Belkin 2. Why can anyone invest money in implants and make vaga overrun any _normal_, non-implanted inty, wasnt this covered in another thread recently, turned out that to make a vaga outrun a normal inty, the pilots head worth is also competing with dreadnaughts price? nerf vaga because some pilot has a head that costs more then the yearly income of a small planet? o.O - It is much more efficient to talk to yourself in person than via the chat system. Now imagine the unimaginable
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:35:00 - [21] The vaga needs barrage ammo, decent implants, has the big sig with shield extenders and needs a lot of player skill. Overpowered this ship is not... That said... WCS do make it very attractive. It is perfect for its backstory but tbh the stabber is nothing to frown upon for the cheap pilot in all of us. Team Minmatar
Logan Fyreite	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:57:00 - [22] OMG the Deimos and Zealot do PWN damage per second, that's not fair! Rabble rabble! The Cerb can fit gank and tank at the same time, that's not fair!!! The Eagle... well.. yeah. The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. Why don't we see posts like these? Only when looking at the Vaga? wow, people fit stabs on the Vaga, I am not surprised. Doesn't it even say in the discription something like idea hit and run cruiser? Aren't Minmatar based on speed? Even with the Vaga's nice shield resists, 2 expanders + MWD sig radii penalty means that unimplanted you can go fast as some Inties, but your sig is the size of a BS. So doesn't it seem like people are just mad cause the Vaga's can get away after engaging because of their stabs? if they leave, they are not killing you, I don't see the problem. It's a nice minmatar ship, if you flew it you would realize without billions in the Vaga and in your head it is hardly the ubership that it is made out to be. Comparing an inty to an heavy assault ship is not okay in any way! so you would rather Vaga's were slow, that their tank was worse than it already is, that they could not mount stabs, and that 1v1 a inty could beat one? It's not like the Vaga is the only ship that is a pain in the arse with stabs fitted. How is comparing a Vaga pilot who spends the money on implants(expensive implants at that) to make their ship faster with a inty pilot who has noooo implants fair? are inties supposed to outdamage cruisers(let alone HACs)? or are they supposed to be interceptors? The Vaga was designed to do what it does, hit and run away, hit and then run away, how about we nerf all HAC's cause obviously the 200 mil + price tag is not enough to deter the careless. Nerf the Deimos, it does 700+ dps! that's not fair I tell you! Nerf the Ishtar it can crush a Vaga in it's sleep and having all those drones, not fair! Please leave the minmatar flagship alone =/
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.13 18:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Logan Fyreite OMG the Deimos and Zealot do PWN damage per second, that's not fair! Rabble rabble! The Cerb can fit gank and tank at the same time, that's not fair!!! The Eagle... well.. yeah. The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. Why don't we see posts like these? Only when looking at the Vaga? wow, people fit stabs on the Vaga, I am not surprised. Doesn't it even say in the discription something like idea hit and run cruiser? Aren't Minmatar based on speed? Even with the Vaga's nice shield resists, 2 expanders + MWD sig radii penalty means that unimplanted you can go fast as some Inties, but your sig is the size of a BS. So doesn't it seem like people are just mad cause the Vaga's can get away after engaging because of their stabs? if they leave, they are not killing you, I don't see the problem. It's a nice minmatar ship, if you flew it you would realize without billions in the Vaga and in your head it is hardly the ubership that it is made out to be. Comparing an inty to an heavy assault ship is not okay in any way! so you would rather Vaga's were slow, that their tank was worse than it already is, that they could not mount stabs, and that 1v1 a inty could beat one? It's not like the Vaga is the only ship that is a pain in the arse with stabs fitted. How is comparing a Vaga pilot who spends the money on implants(expensive implants at that) to make their ship faster with a inty pilot who has noooo implants fair? are inties supposed to outdamage cruisers(let alone HACs)? or are they supposed to be interceptors? The Vaga was designed to do what it does, hit and run away, hit and then run away, how about we nerf all HAC's cause obviously the 200 mil + price tag is not enough to deter the careless. Nerf the Deimos, it does 700+ dps! that's not fair I tell you! Nerf the Ishtar it can crush a Vaga in it's sleep and having all those drones, not fair! Please leave the minmatar flagship alone =/ If what you saying was true, only few vaga pilots would be roaming around doing hitting and runs with gistii mwd and snake set. And many more vagas would die to avarage sized gate camps, which catch all other HACs, even if they had same number of MWD+wcs. Regarding the ceptors - they would be able to hold down the ishtar long enough for the dmg dealers to lock it as well, But they cant hold down Vagabond, as that **** even without implant moves as fast as the ceptors, and by the time they can slow it down, its too far from the dmg dealers to help scramble, and then 5 secs later the ceptors are dead. THATS the problem. ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.07.13 18:11:00 - [24] The vaga is a solo pwnmobile: full set of low grade snakes: 400 mil domination 10mn mwd: 80 mil domination warp disruptor: 120 mil vagbond: 220 mil t2 220's, gyro's, extenders: 10 mil nice nos: 8 mil. Maxed nav skills So for a mere 838 mil + serveral months of training you can get a solo pwnmobile. I find that outrageous.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.13 19:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The vaga is a solo pwnmobile: full set of low grade snakes: 400 mil domination 10mn mwd: 80 mil domination warp disruptor: 120 mil vagbond: 220 mil t2 220's, gyro's, extenders: 10 mil nice nos: 8 mil. Maxed nav skills So for a mere 838 mil + serveral months of training you can get a solo pwnmobile. I find that outrageous. Exactly, and by that logic, Motherships and titans also should be solopwnmobniles, and be able to kill all rats in system once every hour with one press of a button, because they cost more?? ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Prestis	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:21:00 - [26] Considering the average Minmatar ship is a complete mess, usually something like an armor tanker with higher shields, a target-painting bonus, high slots split between turrets and missiles (with bonuses only for one) and 10 km/s extra speed, I think they deserve one decent ship.
Horza Otho	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:27:00 - [27] Edited by: Horza Otho on 13/07/2006 22:33:44 This is a thread made by someone who has died to a Vagabond and wants to scream omgomgoverpowered. Also Audrea, please stop posting about that which you do not know. The Vagabond is far from perfect. Please stop yelling nerf when you die to a Vagabond, especially when the Vaga is one of the few things we have going for us, thankyou.
goodby4u	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:32:00 - [28] The vega is not overpowered,like all ships theres a way to bring it down i.e inty with MWD and web,even if the vega pilot uses stabs you can use more scrams =).
Dethis	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:35:00 - [29] Warp core stabs should just have a penatly like 75% rof penalty or for every one stab you lose 1 high slot. Then people would think twice about fitting them to everything. -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:58:00 - [30] Edited by: Auron Shadowbane on 13/07/2006 22:58:32 Originally by: Kirov VIII LOL, only speed ... But it's not only HAC, it's a lot of ship Minmatar. I'm sorry but it's true. Take a rupture for example against another cruiser. Minmatar ship have speed, agility, firepower, both tank (shield/armor) and make all damage with their ammo. If you pilot a minmatar ship, try a amarr, caldari or gallente ... Sorry if I sound rude but: only a COMPLETE MORON tanks BOTH shield and armor. Ohh yeah and because dealing stupid mixes of damage (emp ammo: EM & explo means you get never more than 40% damage with that ammo cause shield tanks have high naturel explo and armor tanks high naturel em resist!) is so overpowered there is even a whole sort of weapons who do TRUE damage types (missiles). @OP: "OMFG my Inty can't catch a multi-billion-in-implants-vaga. NERV NERV NERV" next comes "OMFG my Inty can't break a Dreads tank. NERV NERV NERV" ? why not just give you a +50000% speed bonus and ability to tripple MWD so you can travel the 200 000km from warp spot and kill yourself in a sun?

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