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John Belkin	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:05:00 - [1] This is a question, not an answer, but there are some points that raised it, i.e. 1. Does it remind you 2 mwd/afterburner mallers we had before that got nerfed? For me it does. Same dps, same speed, same wolfpacks, same tactics. 2. Why can anyone invest money in implants and make vaga overrun any _normal_, non-implanted inty, while inty pilot cannot invest money in implants and overdamage any non-implanted vagabond? Why should a cruiser be able to overrun inty at all, doesn't that negate the point of flying inties itself? Or you suggest inty pilots, who sometimes pop from 1-2 volleys to invest alot to the expensive snake set? Discussion is welcome.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:09:00 - [2] You totally overlooked inty agility, the vaga may be fast but it's not agile. Also your point about an inty fitting implants to outdmg a vaga is dumb.
BOldMan	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:11:00 - [3] How much overpowered the vaga is? Too much. Duvolle was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser. Their engineers and designers have failed utterly, creating a ship slower than even its Caldari counterpar
booh	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:13:00 - [4] Everybody says that speed is main Minmatar speciality. Theres only Jaguar thats also noticably faster than other ships in it's class. Every other class has comparable speed with other races - or the difference is not mentionable and that big of advantage. So you can't whine about it. Tbh we should whine about it... Maybe the Vaga has slightly too much powergrid, i'd agree if like 100 PG would be shifted over to the Muninn
steveid	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:16:00 - [5] Its one of the few ships in this game that are pretty dependent upon individual skill in order to be good in it. I dont think its overpowered at all, in fact i believe it should spawn a new range of HAC's as i dont believe it is a HAC in the same way all the others are. It would be nice if all of the races have a fast attack skirmish cruiser like this, one that doesn't have uber dps but can still pack a punch, is fast moving and bottom line is a lot of fun to fly.
Toshiro Khan	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:33:00 - [6] Originally by: John Belkin 2. Why can anyone invest money in implants and make vaga overrun any _normal_, non-implanted inty, while inty pilot cannot invest money in implants and overdamage any non-implanted vagabond? And maybe its the implants that are overpowered and not the ship? The vag is fine, as it is.. its no more over powered then say the zealot with its high damge very decent tank or the cerb with its missle spam tank and gank set up.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:35:00 - [7] Wow, lets just kill the ship for anyone who can't afford those implants! Thanks for that! Your problem is actually with the implants, without them a faction fitted Vaga with a couple of Nano's isn't faster than a Inty (I beleive). If you were to lower the speed then it would be screwed for anyone like myself who can't afford the implants/faction gear. Don't ruin the good ships minmatar have just because there are some rich buggers out there. If they get caught with a faction fitted Vaga and podded then they lose a hell of a lot for a HAC. RISK VS REWARD. The Vaga has 7m/s more than a Stabber before you get in it, you don't hear anyone complaining about its speed. Its the faction gear and speed implants not the ship.
Jeni Shinnen	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:44:00 - [8] vaga is fine, it isn't that great at all, its tank is pretty weak. Also, it can be pretty agile with a domi nanofiber. - Jeni ♥
Foxyoneill	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:49:00 - [9] Hmhmmm i think that the worst thing about the Vaga is its drone bay. 5 Light Drones rip interceptors to bits :-( Not other HAC bar Gallente can be interceptor proof like the Vaga can.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Deja Thoris You totally overlooked inty agility, the vaga may be fast but it's not agile. Also your point about an inty fitting implants to outdmg a vaga is dumb. He didnt refer to dmg output, but rather to its speed. which even without implants almost equals to that of a MWDing inty, which makes the speed differential so small, that the vaga has plenty of time to shot down the chasing inty before it can get under its guns.. which tbh is against what inty does. Quote: It would be nice if all of the races have a fast attack skirmish cruiser like this, one that doesn't have uber dps but can still pack a punch, is fast moving and bottom line is a lot of fun to fly. QFT! I would gladly retract the requests to nerf the Stababond, if other races could fit at least one HAc of theirs in similiar fashion for skirmishing with 3 wcs, and still packing good tank and firepower! ------------------ If you are tired of fleet combat lag, post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.07.11 10:57:00 - [11] Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left. Well to be fair, the Stababond makes sense from the role playing perspective, as the minmatar are the hit and run race, the weak one and not the strong which holds the field. But when everyone starts to use and see it beyond role playing, it becomes overpowered cause its impossible to force that ship to die. ------------------ If you are tired of fleet combat lag, post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Rexy	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left. actually even without stabs they are hard enough to catch, you will need a double web and a scrambler on one to keep it in place, and all at the same time. It's hard to catch already, fitting two stabs on it just makes it even harder. but it's not hard to catch just because of the stabs. wich is easy enough to proove as loads of stabbed ships die everyday
dabster	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:09:00 - [14] Its only fair we get a HAC that pwns when the Muninn has so many flaws, stop whining or fly one yourself ffs. RE #2 - Because HAC is BIGGER and BADDER than INTERCEPTOR who is meant to TACKLE or shoot OTHER SMALL ships? This thread makes zero logic tbfh. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.11 11:09:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 11/07/2006 11:10:03 It really annoys me that people think the Vagabond is overpowered. The whole point of minmatar is speed. I guess its fine minnie have speedy ships, but not when they become a real threat in pvp, right? Yes, the vagabond is hard to beat, but so is Dominix and lots of other ships. Every race have a few really popular ships, and i would say Gallente have most of them. Ever tried going up towards domi with EW + NOS + drones? Doesnt matter what battleship you are in, you are going to die if he locks first. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
NirvanaA	Posted - 2006.07.13 16:08:00 - [16] Time to put this whiney child in his place. First of all, the Vagabond only has speed over all the other HACs. Take a look at its shields, they arn't very good compared to other HACs and its damage isn't very good compared to other HACs. Some HACs have battleship like damage and some HACs have battleship like tanking. So if one HAC doesn't have that but has the speed of a inty you WANT TO NERF IT?? Your a moron.
Waragha	Posted - 2006.07.13 16:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left.
Kirov VIII	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:00:00 - [18] LOL, only speed ... You laught ??? Vagabond is the overpoweredhac ... He can shoot all other hac ... Tank and damage are very good on this ship .. Try a hac amarr for laught and you fight a vagabond. You can understand after. But it's not only HAC, it's a lot of ship Minmatar. I'm sorry but it's true. Take a rupture for example against another cruiser. Minmatar ship have speed, agility, firepower, both tank (shield/armor) and make all damage with their ammo. If you pilot a minmatar ship, try a amarr, caldari or gallente ...
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Kirov VIII LOL, only speed ... You laught ??? Vagabond is the overpoweredhac ... He can shoot all other hac ... Tank and damage are very good on this ship .. Try a hac amarr for laught and you fight a vagabond. You can understand after. But it's not only HAC, it's a lot of ship Minmatar. I'm sorry but it's true. Take a rupture for example against another cruiser. Minmatar ship have speed, agility, firepower, both tank (shield/armor) and make all damage with their ammo. If you pilot a minmatar ship, try a amarr, caldari or gallente ... Minmatar have speed, but definently not the best firepower. Thats gallente with blasters. The ships are armor OR shield tanked, usually not both. :) And they do not do all damage with their ammo because they also use drones. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Mudkest	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:24:00 - [20] Originally by: John Belkin 2. Why can anyone invest money in implants and make vaga overrun any _normal_, non-implanted inty, wasnt this covered in another thread recently, turned out that to make a vaga outrun a normal inty, the pilots head worth is also competing with dreadnaughts price? nerf vaga because some pilot has a head that costs more then the yearly income of a small planet? o.O - It is much more efficient to talk to yourself in person than via the chat system. Now imagine the unimaginable
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:35:00 - [21] The vaga needs barrage ammo, decent implants, has the big sig with shield extenders and needs a lot of player skill. Overpowered this ship is not... That said... WCS do make it very attractive. It is perfect for its backstory but tbh the stabber is nothing to frown upon for the cheap pilot in all of us. Team Minmatar
Logan Fyreite	Posted - 2006.07.13 17:57:00 - [22] OMG the Deimos and Zealot do PWN damage per second, that's not fair! Rabble rabble! The Cerb can fit gank and tank at the same time, that's not fair!!! The Eagle... well.. yeah. The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. Why don't we see posts like these? Only when looking at the Vaga? wow, people fit stabs on the Vaga, I am not surprised. Doesn't it even say in the discription something like idea hit and run cruiser? Aren't Minmatar based on speed? Even with the Vaga's nice shield resists, 2 expanders + MWD sig radii penalty means that unimplanted you can go fast as some Inties, but your sig is the size of a BS. So doesn't it seem like people are just mad cause the Vaga's can get away after engaging because of their stabs? if they leave, they are not killing you, I don't see the problem. It's a nice minmatar ship, if you flew it you would realize without billions in the Vaga and in your head it is hardly the ubership that it is made out to be. Comparing an inty to an heavy assault ship is not okay in any way! so you would rather Vaga's were slow, that their tank was worse than it already is, that they could not mount stabs, and that 1v1 a inty could beat one? It's not like the Vaga is the only ship that is a pain in the arse with stabs fitted. How is comparing a Vaga pilot who spends the money on implants(expensive implants at that) to make their ship faster with a inty pilot who has noooo implants fair? are inties supposed to outdamage cruisers(let alone HACs)? or are they supposed to be interceptors? The Vaga was designed to do what it does, hit and run away, hit and then run away, how about we nerf all HAC's cause obviously the 200 mil + price tag is not enough to deter the careless. Nerf the Deimos, it does 700+ dps! that's not fair I tell you! Nerf the Ishtar it can crush a Vaga in it's sleep and having all those drones, not fair! Please leave the minmatar flagship alone =/
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.13 18:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Logan Fyreite OMG the Deimos and Zealot do PWN damage per second, that's not fair! Rabble rabble! The Cerb can fit gank and tank at the same time, that's not fair!!! The Eagle... well.. yeah. The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. Why don't we see posts like these? Only when looking at the Vaga? wow, people fit stabs on the Vaga, I am not surprised. Doesn't it even say in the discription something like idea hit and run cruiser? Aren't Minmatar based on speed? Even with the Vaga's nice shield resists, 2 expanders + MWD sig radii penalty means that unimplanted you can go fast as some Inties, but your sig is the size of a BS. So doesn't it seem like people are just mad cause the Vaga's can get away after engaging because of their stabs? if they leave, they are not killing you, I don't see the problem. It's a nice minmatar ship, if you flew it you would realize without billions in the Vaga and in your head it is hardly the ubership that it is made out to be. Comparing an inty to an heavy assault ship is not okay in any way! so you would rather Vaga's were slow, that their tank was worse than it already is, that they could not mount stabs, and that 1v1 a inty could beat one? It's not like the Vaga is the only ship that is a pain in the arse with stabs fitted. How is comparing a Vaga pilot who spends the money on implants(expensive implants at that) to make their ship faster with a inty pilot who has noooo implants fair? are inties supposed to outdamage cruisers(let alone HACs)? or are they supposed to be interceptors? The Vaga was designed to do what it does, hit and run away, hit and then run away, how about we nerf all HAC's cause obviously the 200 mil + price tag is not enough to deter the careless. Nerf the Deimos, it does 700+ dps! that's not fair I tell you! Nerf the Ishtar it can crush a Vaga in it's sleep and having all those drones, not fair! Please leave the minmatar flagship alone =/ If what you saying was true, only few vaga pilots would be roaming around doing hitting and runs with gistii mwd and snake set. And many more vagas would die to avarage sized gate camps, which catch all other HACs, even if they had same number of MWD+wcs. Regarding the ceptors - they would be able to hold down the ishtar long enough for the dmg dealers to lock it as well, But they cant hold down Vagabond, as that **** even without implant moves as fast as the ceptors, and by the time they can slow it down, its too far from the dmg dealers to help scramble, and then 5 secs later the ceptors are dead. THATS the problem. ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.07.13 18:11:00 - [24] The vaga is a solo pwnmobile: full set of low grade snakes: 400 mil domination 10mn mwd: 80 mil domination warp disruptor: 120 mil vagbond: 220 mil t2 220's, gyro's, extenders: 10 mil nice nos: 8 mil. Maxed nav skills So for a mere 838 mil + serveral months of training you can get a solo pwnmobile. I find that outrageous.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.13 19:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The vaga is a solo pwnmobile: full set of low grade snakes: 400 mil domination 10mn mwd: 80 mil domination warp disruptor: 120 mil vagbond: 220 mil t2 220's, gyro's, extenders: 10 mil nice nos: 8 mil. Maxed nav skills So for a mere 838 mil + serveral months of training you can get a solo pwnmobile. I find that outrageous. Exactly, and by that logic, Motherships and titans also should be solopwnmobniles, and be able to kill all rats in system once every hour with one press of a button, because they cost more?? ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Prestis	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:21:00 - [26] Considering the average Minmatar ship is a complete mess, usually something like an armor tanker with higher shields, a target-painting bonus, high slots split between turrets and missiles (with bonuses only for one) and 10 km/s extra speed, I think they deserve one decent ship.
Horza Otho	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:27:00 - [27] Edited by: Horza Otho on 13/07/2006 22:33:44 This is a thread made by someone who has died to a Vagabond and wants to scream omgomgoverpowered. Also Audrea, please stop posting about that which you do not know. The Vagabond is far from perfect. Please stop yelling nerf when you die to a Vagabond, especially when the Vaga is one of the few things we have going for us, thankyou.
goodby4u	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:32:00 - [28] The vega is not overpowered,like all ships theres a way to bring it down i.e inty with MWD and web,even if the vega pilot uses stabs you can use more scrams =).
Dethis	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:35:00 - [29] Warp core stabs should just have a penatly like 75% rof penalty or for every one stab you lose 1 high slot. Then people would think twice about fitting them to everything. -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2006.07.13 22:58:00 - [30] Edited by: Auron Shadowbane on 13/07/2006 22:58:32 Originally by: Kirov VIII LOL, only speed ... But it's not only HAC, it's a lot of ship Minmatar. I'm sorry but it's true. Take a rupture for example against another cruiser. Minmatar ship have speed, agility, firepower, both tank (shield/armor) and make all damage with their ammo. If you pilot a minmatar ship, try a amarr, caldari or gallente ... Sorry if I sound rude but: only a COMPLETE MORON tanks BOTH shield and armor. Ohh yeah and because dealing stupid mixes of damage (emp ammo: EM & explo means you get never more than 40% damage with that ammo cause shield tanks have high naturel explo and armor tanks high naturel em resist!) is so overpowered there is even a whole sort of weapons who do TRUE damage types (missiles). @OP: "OMFG my Inty can't catch a multi-billion-in-implants-vaga. NERV NERV NERV" next comes "OMFG my Inty can't break a Dreads tank. NERV NERV NERV" ? why not just give you a +50000% speed bonus and ability to tripple MWD so you can travel the 200 000km from warp spot and kill yourself in a sun?
Karl Shade	Posted - 2006.07.13 23:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Waragha Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left. -
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.14 00:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Horza Otho Edited by: Horza Otho on 13/07/2006 22:33:44 This is a thread made by someone who has died to a Vagabond and wants to scream omgomgoverpowered. Also Audrea, please stop posting about that which you do not know. The Vagabond is far from perfect. Please stop yelling nerf when you die to a Vagabond, especially when the Vaga is one of the few things we have going for us, thankyou. I have never died to a vaga; but vagas ran away countless times, even from proper cate camps. Granted I dont fly it, but doesnt mean I dont know anything about this ship; tbh I think it could use agility nerf, that would make me happy enough ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Balklanac	Posted - 2006.07.14 01:45:00 - [33] Can somebody send me 1b isk so I can finally fly one. --------- I would love to see a bounty pilot get some friend or an alt to pod them to collect the isk if that resulted in a two week delay before their 'personality' was uploaded to a new clone.
Dahin	Posted - 2006.07.14 02:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Dahin on 14/07/2006 02:42:56 I believe people are mistakenly falling to the misconception that the vaga is overpowered because they see vaga's splattering stuff all over the place. It is true, I bet vagabonds are THE most lethal weapon used in small and solo engagements. But this is less because of their "unbalanced" attributes as much as their engageability. You see, the vagabond can easily leg it from 95% of the engagements it's going to face. This is what makes the vagabonds so lethal, not their dps or tank. They will can attack most hostile forces solo or in packs. They will pick off any weak targets or any pilots making severe mistakes (like falling for the "follow me" bait) and when things get grim they will just bail. Every capable vagabond pilot knows he can do crazy things that no other ship would ever dream of doing, and can almost always escape. This is what gives him the courage to engage and ultimately get way with more kills, just because he tried. A deimos would never dare such a thing and would rather commit in more traditional engagements. But, you will never claim "omgwtfbbq" status if you have never engaged in overwhelming odds and have won. Vagabonds do that every day and don't break a sweat. Cartiff's/Lunas's golden rule (a.k.a. "wtf, let's just jump that blob"): balls = engagements = kills. It is not that any of the statistics of the vaga at fault here, it's just that eve combat has become very rigid because of the lack of non-consentual combat. People blob, gang, have eyes everywhere and they are guaranteed survival unless they make a huge mistake or they decide to commit to a "fair" engagement. They know that if something minor shows up they can kill it. Vagabonds break this rigid PvP approach and people are certainly annoyed by this. It's like a grandpa in never-neverland. Ofc, we have to mention the stabs too over here. Let's not forget standard setups include two, "just in case". If other ships have to sacrifice something for a stab, the ac/extender vaga simply has 2 lowslots and doesn't know what to do with them. And if stabs are annoying and need blobbing/bubbles to interrcept, think of the vaga. You can't tackle it with a frigate because it will laugh at you, you can't keep up with it with any other ship to keep a -1 on it, you can't catch it in a bubble because it will shoot out of it in a sec. Ofc one can mention special formations that can hold and kill a vaga but that doesn't really count. The combat field is always random and if I knew exactly what's the layour of every enemy I meet I'd always win. It's the current PvP system that's turning an otherwise "ok" ship into something extremely special and a "solo pwnmobile" compared to other ships. Nerf the current PvP system, not the vaga.
Still Hart	Posted - 2006.07.14 03:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Audrea I have never died to a vaga; but vagas ran away countless times, even from proper cate camps. Granted I dont fly it, but doesnt mean I dont know anything about this ship; tbh I think it could use agility nerf, that would make me happy enough A proper gate camp? Interdictor bubble on the gate, multiple webbers with scram. How is a vaga getting away from that? _____________________
Xendie	Posted - 2006.07.14 04:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Audrea I have never died to a vaga; but vagas ran away countless times, even from proper cate camps. Granted I dont fly it, but doesnt mean I dont know anything about this ship; tbh I think it could use agility nerf, that would make me happy enough A proper gate camp? Interdictor bubble on the gate, multiple webbers with scram. How is a vaga getting away from that? he slaps his mwd and before anyone get lock he is 40k away. when anything capable of killing him get a lock he is 90k away. thats what happens with a vaga running through any gatecamp if he got snakes also. Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.14 04:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Audrea I have never died to a vaga; but vagas ran away countless times, even from proper cate camps. Granted I dont fly it, but doesnt mean I dont know anything about this ship; tbh I think it could use agility nerf, that would make me happy enough A proper gate camp? Interdictor bubble on the gate, multiple webbers with scram. How is a vaga getting away from that? he slaps his mwd and before anyone get lock he is 40k away. when anything capable of killing him get a lock he is 90k away. thats what happens with a vaga running through any gatecamp if he got snakes also. Exactly. Also dont forget that the ceptors are spread around the gate, and the chance for the vaga spawning less tahn 10km from the ceptors is near impossible, so by the time ceptors get in webbing range - the vaga already left teh dictor bubble, and soon enough warps away. ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Paper Airplane	Posted - 2006.07.14 04:32:00 - [38] Edited by: Paper Airplane on 14/07/2006 04:49:32 Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Remove stabs from the game, then we'll see if there are any vagabond pilots left. I think this would help vagabond pilots more than hurt them. If they get in danger they are so much faster they can always just fly away to 20km and warp out. However if their opponent gets in trouble they will never be able to get out of scramble range...stabs are the only thing that can save them. Stabs do have their place, but I think changing them to use a high slot or some other penalty is needed.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.07.14 04:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Audrea I have never died to a vaga; but vagas ran away countless times, even from proper cate camps. Granted I dont fly it, but doesnt mean I dont know anything about this ship; tbh I think it could use agility nerf, that would make me happy enough A proper gate camp? Interdictor bubble on the gate, multiple webbers with scram. How is a vaga getting away from that? Count to 30 (40 to be safe) and dive for the gate. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.14 06:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Audrea I have never died to a vaga; but vagas ran away countless times, even from proper cate camps. Granted I dont fly it, but doesnt mean I dont know anything about this ship; tbh I think it could use agility nerf, that would make me happy enough A proper gate camp? Interdictor bubble on the gate, multiple webbers with scram. How is a vaga getting away from that? Count to 30 (40 to be safe) and dive for the gate. What do you mean? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.14 06:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Dahin Every capable vagabond pilot knows he can do crazy things that no other ship would ever dream of doing, and can almost always escape. This is what gives him the courage to engage and ultimately get way with more kills, just because he tried. A deimos would never dare such a thing and would rather commit in more traditional engagements. But, you will never claim "omgwtfbbq" status if you have never engaged in overwhelming odds and have won. Vagabonds do that every day and don't break a sweat. Very well written. And this is also why its so much fun to fly. You can try to engage alot of targets and get out, which means you get alot of action and excitement from the ship. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.07.14 08:17:00 - [42] quality whinage.
Great Artista	Posted - 2006.07.14 08:23:00 - [43] Its -------------------------- that much overpowdered, like me, and sometimes its even overpowered. ------------- ½Artista - One name. One legend.+ -Sloganizer.net
dabster	Posted - 2006.07.14 11:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Audrea I have never died to a vaga; but vagas ran away countless times, even from proper cate camps. Granted I dont fly it, but doesnt mean I dont know anything about this ship; tbh I think it could use agility nerf, that would make me happy enough A proper gate camp? Interdictor bubble on the gate, multiple webbers with scram. How is a vaga getting away from that? Count to 30 (40 to be safe) and dive for the gate. What do you mean? *jump back to where you came from ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Noluck Ned Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.14 11:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Keta Min quality whinage. Keta's was the first Vagabond I ever met, I lasted.....hmm 5 seconds in my new thorax. Nowadays I respect a Vaga very much, but no longer fear it like the plague. They pop the same as all other hacs when they are suddenly hit by some heavy NOS/Nuets.
HolographicEntrypoint Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 11:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The vaga is a solo pwnmobile: full set of low grade snakes: 400 mil domination 10mn mwd: 80 mil domination warp disruptor: 120 mil vagbond: 220 mil t2 220's, gyro's, extenders: 10 mil nice nos: 8 mil. Maxed nav skills So for a mere 838 mil + serveral months of training you can get a solo pwnmobile. I find that outrageous. Exactly, and by that logic, Motherships and titans also should be solopwnmobniles, and be able to kill all rats in system once every hour with one press of a button, because they cost more?? Well, should vaga be worse than an inti cause it costs more? Invest more = expect more. --- ^ Making Custom Sigs for ISK My custom EvE Signature Gallery
Jamius	Posted - 2006.07.14 12:30:00 - [47] Na - make more ships like the vaga instead - I've never flown one but it sounds like they are a h3ll of a lot of fun to fly and since this is a game I would imagine getting fun from it is a large part of that. Also it would be nice to fly a ship that you can bail out in easier and not have any wrong decision mean certain death. I know - I fly no stabbed BC's mostly in solo PvP and any time I make a single mistake in evaluating a situation it's generally goodbye which isn't fun. Nothing better than just having a good scrap with someone and both of you coming out alive but talking about how it was such a great fight. Too many people just want to kill kill kill in this game - try having some fun. Jamius thinks training up for a vaga seems like a good idea
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.14 12:39:00 - [48] vagabond needs to be balanced. why? Because of it's speed plus the fact it can fit stabs+dmg mods without any fitting mods... High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.14 12:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Logan Fyreite The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. I'm sorry but the vaga pilot I met shot at my drones so I didn't have any left. Care ot comment? High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
dabster Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.14 15:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Griever Takkow Im, sorry, but i have to know this. A Vagabond with no snakeset will have a base speed of about 370 m/s assuming u have navigation 5. A Cepter with no snakeset will have a base speed of AT LEAST 450, more likely it would be over 500 ( taranis for example, base speed 420, nav 5 gives 525, and taranis aint even the fastest cepter) So just how exactly is a non faction non horrifically expensive implant set Vag faster than a cepter? It isnt. A Vaga without nanos or implants barely breaks 3000m/s. Thats one reason all these kind of Vaga-is-overpowered threads lately are so god damn stupid, cause a lot of the whiners are so awfully clueless. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
dabster Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.14 15:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Logan Fyreite The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. I'm sorry but the vaga pilot I met shot at my drones so I didn't have any left. Care ot comment? Jam him and gtfo? ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Prestis	Posted - 2006.07.14 15:28:00 - [52] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Logan Fyreite The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. I'm sorry but the vaga pilot I met shot at my drones so I didn't have any left. Care ot comment? Yes, you should of had about 4 more sets ready to go. Ishtars are by far the most overpowered HAC one-on-one. A Battleship sized drone-bay vs Cruiser guns is no fight.
Spydrr	Posted - 2006.07.14 19:55:00 - [53] How about you nub cakes stop saying the Vagabond is overpowered when you have never flown one. Just because you get "pwned" by one doesn't mean you can open that damn hole under your nose and say **** about it. Fly one. Fly one with WCS and fly one without them. Go try it, I dare you to and come back and say your still right punks.
Spaced Skunk Oriundus Cineris	Posted - 2006.07.15 10:41:00 - [54] Firstly I'll add that the Vagabond only comes a problem when Snake implants or faction gear is used. Currently I can only get about 3.2KMs flat out of mine. And unlike an inty, I cannot hold my MWD on sustained for a couple of minutes. I definatly dont have the agility of an inty. And if your annoyed because your amarr ship just got owned by a vagabond, tough, CCP made Minmatar hate Amarr, thats roleplay. You have other issues with the vagabond..such as tracking. Cant track doing 3.2KM a sec on orbit. Whereas intys will probably hit, Crow for example has no tracking. Fly the Vagabond, use the t2 setup, no implants, then says its overpowered. It gets owned by missile boats, it has a low cap capacity, nos will disable the MWD, jam it, drone it.
Caletha	Posted - 2006.07.15 11:53:00 - [55] I just barely reach 2759m/s with my current skills (1.2m in Navigation and Serpentis MWD), no nano's fitted though... A few days ago I almost got completely trashed by a Megathron (wasnt paying attention and he drained my cap and MWD'd to me + double web'd me). It took me a full minute to warp out, even with stabs. I definitly screwed up in that fight, more ways then one and I even panic'd a little. When I saw my shields go down at the speed at which they did. I'm still amazed I made it out. So to be a complete 'solopwnthingie' I need to invest another 350m for a low-grade snake set (or even 3B for a normal one), oh god forbit I kill stuff then. Or get out of stuff with my +800m investment. You can still get Vaga's, sure there are better 'skilled' players out there which are hard (and perhaps even impossible as they know what to engage and what to let go). But you should be able to beat less experienced (and 'skilled') players like myself and probably 90% of the Vaga pilots out there if you use your brains (and not a T1 cruiser or a T1/T2 frigate). And setup your ship to fight interceptors (if your setup works on them, it'll probably work on a vaga).
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 12:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Logan Fyreite The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. I'm sorry but the vaga pilot I met shot at my drones so I didn't have any left. Care ot comment? Good job? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Master OlavPancrazio	Posted - 2006.07.18 20:15:00 - [57] Get a few crows with named webbers and the vaga is tackled.
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.18 21:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Logan Fyreite The Ishtar can ECM/Drone/NOS anything! It would take a fleet of inties to kill it! that's not fair. I'm sorry but the vaga pilot I met shot at my drones so I didn't have any left. Care ot comment? Oh, oh look here! I fly an Ishtar so no one can beat me. If someone beats me that ship is overpowered! To teh nerfmobile! Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.18 21:30:00 - [59] Thanks for bumping this useless thread... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
El Alamein Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.21 02:38:00 - [60] nerf the 10,277 ms vagabond and i would be happy. -----------------------------------

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