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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
10881

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Posted - 2014.08.06 12:58:00 -
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Reserved for later. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
827
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:28:00 -
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This is good . |

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
744
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:38:00 -
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when removing capital escalations and nerfing t3s |

tgl3
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
514
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:41:00 -
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Any bookmark improvements are good. +1 Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes
Twitter - TG_3 |

Traiori
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
48
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:42:00 -
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This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.
I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people. |

Viscis Breeze
No Vacancies
39
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:48:00 -
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Traiori wrote:This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.
I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people.
This. If we wouldn't need to copy or have copy restrictions if we had alliance bookmarks. Recruitment: http://bit.ly/1r4G5Pv Website: http://www.no-vacancies.net/ Channel: No Vacancies
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:52:00 -
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Viscis Breeze wrote:Traiori wrote:This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.
I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people. This. If we wouldn't need to copy or have copy restrictions if we had alliance bookmarks.
Dead horse, you have been beaten. |

Za'kerak
9
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:58:00 -
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It would be great to send bookmarks by Evemail (maybe by chat windows with exception of local chat). |

epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
902
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:05:00 -
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This is a positive idea. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Bleedingthrough
Raptor Navy
67
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:08:00 -
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like it. |
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Simsung Padecain
Hard Knocks Inc.
24
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:26:00 -
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One last "little" thing for bookmarks that we wormholers desperately need, is some sort of a predictable refresh duration or possibility to manually update bookmarks.
Every day we experience the issues where some people haven't had their bookmarks refreshed yet etc, which creates unnecessary chaos (providing warpins, fleet isn't warped as a group etc). |

Kai Ovaert
New Eden Tritanium Corporation
11
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:28:00 -
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Bookmarks (or to be precise: signature IDs) that don't have to be re-scanned after every. single. daily. maintenance.
Thread here |

Auriok SteelShaper
Tapped for Mana The Imicus Contract
1
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:29:00 -
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+1
Really liking the new Black hole systems. |

BinaryData
HORSE KILLERS The Predictables
36
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:30:00 -
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I like a lot of the proposed changes, and ideas. The one I object to is the distance/mass based crap.
The idea is only beneficial to large alliances/corporations. It's completely one sided. As someone whose lived in a wormhole by himself, this idea completely ruins it. This idea makes it so much harder for smaller corporations to get into the wormhole life.
I disapprove of this idea, completely. Reminds me of the grav site change. Completely ruined industry in lower class holes. I'm starting to lose faith in CCPs ability to release balanced expansions. After playing for several years, it's sad to see this game get oriented towards noobs who have zero experience. smh. |

Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
62
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:53:00 -
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BinaryData wrote:I like a lot of the proposed changes, and ideas. The one I object to is the distance/mass based crap.
The idea is only beneficial to large alliances/corporations. It's completely one sided. As someone whose lived in a wormhole by himself, this idea completely ruins it. This idea makes it so much harder for smaller corporations to get into the wormhole life.
I disapprove of this idea, completely. Reminds me of the grav site change. Completely ruined industry in lower class holes. I'm starting to lose faith in CCPs ability to release balanced expansions. After playing for several years, it's sad to see this game get oriented towards noobs who have zero experience. smh.
Read the title, you wanted to post over there -->
On the topic of bookmarks, it would be nice if there was a button or shortcut to add a counting number or a timestamp to the bookmarkname before saving it. So if you are in a hurry you do not have 3 "unstable wormhole" or "spot in ..." and then have to resice the bookmarkwindow just to sort them. Maybe a second button "save with timestamp" that then adds the date and time at the end. Not very important if people use their mappingtool correctly but would be nice for those without them or if again someone manages to delete the entire chain by accident. |

Kennesaw Breach
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
52
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:56:00 -
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This is good. I have to say, though, we are really hoping you'll implement Alliance-wide bookmarks at some point. The main purpose of sharing bookmarks between corps in an alliance (at least in w-space) is to coordinate PVP, so if you want to see more explosions and isk leaving the game, that would be a very good use of development resources.
Of course, alliance bookmarks would require some sort of role to see, add, edit, remove, etc, which might lead to a re-tooling of roles altogether, which might open the door up to recoding sov or pos management, and I don't know how deep down the rabbit hole you're willing to go 
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Janeway84
Its a good day to die
91
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:06:00 -
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Great work Fozzie!  |

Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
284
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:21:00 -
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Very nice!
Read more of my ramblings on my blog www.invadingyourhole.blogspot.com |

Darren Fox
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
53
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:24:00 -
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As others have pointed out. While waiting on alliance bookmarks, this is a Quality of Life improvement. |

Snakes-On-A-Plane
16
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:28:00 -
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Can't seen anyone complaining about this! Great change, and thank you! |
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Keith Planck
Lazerhawks
849
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:15:00 -
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yay \o/ kinda helps out alliance based wormhole corps but not really to the extent that they will stay together. can i content yet? |

Rook Mallard
Aperture Harmonics
1
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:15:00 -
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+1 |

Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
209
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:17:00 -
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Mandatory alliance bookmarks comment :) |

Vindico Atris
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.08.06 18:44:00 -
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Just the copying speed increase is welcome tbh, but this is a great change, no real feedback needed I'd say. |

Kouzelny Dedecek
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
0
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:15:00 -
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If you are going to implemnt alliance bookmarks, can I add to the wishlist for Fleet Bookmarks? These would be visible to all members of a fleet regardless of corp/alliance membership. Bookmarks copied into here would be visible to all members of the fleet. Once the last member leaves a fleet, all bookmarks could be removed from the system.
This would save the annoyance of jetcan passing of bookmarks during joint w-space operations.
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Sanuki Sukuuvestaa
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:15:00 -
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As already mentioned, any upgrades to bookmarks is great for WH people..
So when you guys giving us alliance bookmarks then eh?!? ;) |

Cirillith
Bean-shidh The Nameless Alliance
20
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:17:00 -
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First of all - Thank you CCP Fozzie for publishing that Devblog.
Now to the point :)
This is very nice change.... and I will add here as a part of feedback one request:
Please make Alliance or Fleet bookmarks!!!! Any of those two will be OK - whatever needs less work - I know all of WH community is asking you for that and all will be most grateful for doing them. |

Ziirn
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
31
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Posted - 2014.08.06 19:49:00 -
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Yes, please work harder on those alliance BM's ;) |

TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
255
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Posted - 2014.08.06 20:39:00 -
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Fozzie, this should be in F&I, not just wormholes. Everyone uses bookmarks. |

Lashara Ambramotte
Trans Suns Mining Armored Atomics
0
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Posted - 2014.08.06 21:05:00 -
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Traiori wrote:This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.
I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people.
I don't really live in W-Space, but I do support the idea of having alliance bookmarks. Also, relaxed restrictions on bookmark copying would be helpful for co-op and coalition arrangements in nullsec as well.
EDIT: One thing that I wish to add to the list is temporary bookmarks. Bookmarks that last roughly 48 hours or so which are removed at the second downtime after they are created. This will also help in reducing the workload of the individuals who help administer the bookmark lists in the corp/alliance. |
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Dark Armata
Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy..
131
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Posted - 2014.08.06 23:17:00 -
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Thankyou. Great work.
Much appreciated. W-Space WAS Best Space*
*Until CCP decided W-Space should be the next null.
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BeanBagKing
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
293
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:41:00 -
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THIS IS GREAT NEWS!
Another related request.
When you open up a can you have a search bar at the top. So you can type in "J155555 -> J234567" and it will show only that bookmark. It would help me very much, in ways I don't really want to relate here, if you could make it so we could search for multiple objects and other more granular things. Here's some examples, because I'm not positive I'm explaining this correctly.
Lets say I have a can of bookmarks with names like 1a, 2b, 3c, 4d, 5e, etc.
I want to find the bookmarks for the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th wormhole. Right now I have to type in 2, take that bookmark, 3, take that bookmark, and 5, then that bookmark. It would be much better if I could search for Quote:"2b" [and] "3c" [and] "5e"
The quotations would ensure an exact match, so if you have a space in your bookmark name it would search for that exact name, you can also include functions such as [or] and [not], or use == and != if you want...
This example is really simple, but with a can full of 80 bookmarks it would make a HUGE difference. I've also forwarded the idea to Corbexx, speak to him more about it please. |

Serith Ellecon
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
30
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:43:00 -
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Positive change, endorsed. Inappropriate signature added.-á CCP Notarealdev. |

Winthorp
2488
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:56:00 -
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Great work CCP, this will be your best expansion ever. Ship it. |

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
366
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Posted - 2014.08.07 02:37:00 -
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Decent change, thanks
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3600
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Posted - 2014.08.07 03:59:00 -
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This one's the lowest impact and is a long time coming. Seem fine. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |

Saavik Ambraelle
Lazerhawks
18
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Posted - 2014.08.07 04:30:00 -
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Good changes overall, not keen on the spawn ranges thing. That just kills rage rolling and rolling holes in general. Intoxication is the most effective of warp scramblers. |

unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
128
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Posted - 2014.08.07 05:16:00 -
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Ship it! |

Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2014.08.07 08:44:00 -
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Good change.
If you want to reduce server load for bookmarks, I suggest storing them all client-side. When the player makes a bookmark the server could generate an HMAC for the system id and xyz coordinates and send it back to the client where it's stored.
When a player wants to warp to a bookmark now I imagine the process goes like this: client Warp To Bookmark -> send bookmark ID to server -> server DB QUERY to find location -> warp player ship to xyz
If they were stored client-side it would go like this instead: client Warp To Bookmark -> send xyz and HMAC to server -> server authenticates HMAC -> warp player ship to xyz
If the HMAC verification code is faster than the database code (a big if, granted, I don't know your systems) then it's a big win for server cpu cycles and frees up all those sweet database rows for corp and alliance bookmark storage (they'd still need to be stored server-side for sharing).
HMACs ensure data integrity and authentication. Thus, pretty solid assurance that the bookmark really did originate on CCPs servers and not from a player trying to exploit the system by editing the xyz values for his local bookmark stash.
Just a thought. Maybe that's exactly what this new change is doing  |

Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
112
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Posted - 2014.08.07 10:14:00 -
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Just give us alliance bookmarks.
Everything else is just a paper thin patch over a suppurating sore. |
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Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.08.07 11:36:00 -
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Not entirely sure why this is something feedback is needed over.
Do people regularly need to transfer more than 5 bookmarks at a time to a container for sharing to others? If so, there sounds like other issues that are not being addressed here, and this is a Band-aid to help something that needs a cast and traction. Still, I guess its an improvement?
That said, it's not like I needed better corp management interfaces. Or more functional POS code that didn't cause my own defenses to target me and unload when I just anchored it an hour ago. Or for my master wallet access to not be required for every industrial job by anyone in my corp/ Yeah, none of that is needed, really. But this bookmarks thing really feels important.  |

Space Wanderer
128
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Posted - 2014.08.07 12:45:00 -
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REMOVED: *wrong thread* |

Shaklu
Mass Effect Enterprises Dark Knights of Eden
5
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Posted - 2014.08.07 13:16:00 -
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+1 Would also like to see the addition of creating BM "groups" somewhat like chat channels, so if you aren't in an alliance with someone, you can still create a shared folder(s) of bookmarks, and just add people or corps to have access to the group. |

Orange Aideron
Blue-Fire
13
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Posted - 2014.08.07 13:31:00 -
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+1
Copying faster is a good step in the right direction. We use bookmarks to label CHA tabs in different PoSes. Waiting for a bookmark copy sometimes was interesting.
On a side note, talking about work arounds to a bigger problem (fixing PoSes), could we have a nameable tag item that you place in a CHA tab to replace the bookmark trick? PHA just don't cut it for higher class wh groups (too small).
07 OJ |

fightingblind
Sturmgrenadier Inc Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:54:00 -
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Shaklu wrote:+1 Would also like to see the addition of creating BM "groups" somewhat like chat channels, so if you aren't in an alliance with someone, you can still create a shared folder(s) of bookmarks, and just add people or corps to have access to the group.
I think that sounds good. Could also have "fleet bookmarks" that everyone in fleet can access. |

A Wrench
Supreme Work Organisation of Roid Destroyers Circle-Of-Two
9
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:02:00 -
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Bookmark Idea:
This is a reiteration of the request to have at least one or two bookmarks displayed on the overview. This may be the perfect example of a good use for "client side bookmarks" as Swidgen suggested (post #39).
When switching from one computer to another all the standard bookmarks would be available vis the right-click as always and the ones designated for Overview use whould have to be "reselected" or maybe recreated (dependining on implementation methods). |

Rei Moon
Murderous Inc
13
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:06:00 -
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+1
<3 Fozzy and CCP for this!
I luv u.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
633
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:33:00 -
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Nothing bad to say about improving bookmark copying. Being in a single corp it's not as necessary. But still a good change.
That said - can we please have some improvement in the manner and time in which corp bookmarks update? It's very imprecise and really delays/messes with things in time critical scenarios.
I'm right behind you |

Wingzero Mileghere
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
1
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:29:00 -
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Mithandra wrote:Just give us alliance bookmarks.
Everything else is just a paper thin patch over a suppurating sore.
read the dev blog and you might notice that this change is a tie over to get to that point |

Marox Calendale
Human League
28
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Posted - 2014.08.08 08:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. - Alliance Bookmarks (as you-¦re hopefully already working on) - Fleet Bookmarks - decreasing the delay when Corporation Bookmarks are distributed
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Winthorp
2496
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Posted - 2014.08.08 08:26:00 -
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I would really just love BM's to come with an expiry date/time. I am so lazy at deleting the old chain BM's. |

Dawnel
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.08.08 16:43:00 -
[52] - Quote
Radial menus for bookmarks for faster warping Bookmarks in overview Subfolders |

Emmerik
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.08.08 17:50:00 -
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Only thing I whould like to see, is that you guys raise the cap on bookmarks. I am at 16000 bookmarks and cant make anymore now :( |

Jinn Aideron
44
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Posted - 2014.08.08 23:14:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. While touching this, could the 'New Bookmark' window remember its position on screen between instances? That'd be so helpful!
Stealth deletes are bad. |

Shelenaa
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.08.09 08:59:00 -
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Emmerik wrote:Only thing I whould like to see, is that you guys raise the cap on bookmarks. I am at 16000 bookmarks and cant make anymore now :(
Or maybe make it so that we can export bookmarks to a file on our Computers... so we can make room in the bookmarklist. And when we need specific bookmarks we can import them again.
Ohhh, that whould be nice yes!
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Alt Two
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2014.08.09 10:49:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. Brackets visible in space. With a per-bookmark toggle if it should be visible or not. |

Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
790
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:32:00 -
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I think one of the biggest improvements would be if sharing bookmarks didn't require the use of an actual object.
Corp bookmarks are great, and alliance bookmarks would be welcome, but it would be a huge step forward if we could link a bookmark in chat or in an evemail. |

Col Deathstroke
Fool Mental Junket
2
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Posted - 2014.08.10 00:53:00 -
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I find this entire bookmark sharing system very annoying. Yes, there have been some improvements made over the years, but there is only so much you can do to improve something that is flawed to begin with.
We are suppose to be in a distant future, with super advanced technologies at our disposal and the only way to share coordinates of a certain location with my fellow pilots is to dump them in some metal can and jettison it into space, and they all have to come pick it up?? Now thats just silly... sharing coordinates should be as easy as pressing a button.
There are number of ways how this could be done, to avoid making dozens and dozens of bookmark copies to share with others.
Yes, corporation bookmarks were nice, and alliance bookmarks would also improve the whole experience further.
Some already mentioned fleet bookmars, that would only be relevant to people on joint ops and would only last as long as the fleet is still active.
Others also mentioned drag & dropping them into chats, another good idea.
So efforts should be focused towards the ultimate goal of eliminating the need of bookmark copying entirely, and making it just a 1 click/drag job that only takes you couple seconds, and not having to waste 10-15 mins (or more) till everyone involved in the upcoming op (or simply day to day routine) has the required bookmarks.
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:08:00 -
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Viscis Breeze wrote:Traiori wrote:This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.
I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people. This. If we wouldn't need to copy or have copy restrictions if we had alliance bookmarks.
agreed -- reduce the need to copy with more shared access of BMs (alliance ?or even fleet?)
multiple BM copies usually happen - not because all those BMs are needed now - but because opportunity to exchange is now and arranging another exchange will be time consuming and not timely.
Thus even adding more speedy and convenient exchange of copies by email might reduce blind mass copying of BMs simply because two toons are currently close enough to swap BMs. But shared access storage is the best solution.
Fleet shared BMs would of course help WH PVP roam fleets |

Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:22:00 -
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Col Deathstroke wrote:I find this entire bookmark sharing system very annoying. Yes, there have been some improvements made over the years, but there is only so much you can do to improve something that is flawed to begin with.
We are suppose to be in a distant future, with super advanced technologies at our disposal and the only way to share coordinates of a certain location with my fellow pilots is to dump them in some metal can and jettison it into space, and they all have to come pick it up?? Now thats just silly... sharing coordinates should be as easy as pressing a button.
There are number of ways how this could be done, to avoid making dozens and dozens of bookmark copies to share with others.
Yes, corporation bookmarks were nice, and alliance bookmarks would also improve the whole experience further.
Some already mentioned fleet bookmars, that would only be relevant to people on joint ops and would only last as long as the fleet is still active.
Others also mentioned drag & dropping them into chats, another good idea.
So efforts should be focused towards the ultimate goal of eliminating the need of bookmark copying entirely, and making it just a 1 click/drag job that only takes you couple seconds, and not having to waste 10-15 mins (or more) till everyone involved in the upcoming op (or simply day to day routine) has the required bookmarks.
eh drop and drag is just UI means for copying
still I like the idea for more convenient JIT copying of BMs
as opposed to can or ships meeting in space to exchange every possible BM when most the time 90% are never used. LOL - and half the time you end up still missing the one you need (like T2 wrecks to loot and salvage after everyone else left) |
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:36:00 -
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Hmmm...bookmarks never used....
if EVE kept track of what was being bookmarked
lots of BMs could be tagged for automatic deletion ... if the BM was placed on object (right click menu) 
rather than dropped by button in nearby space (if someone wants to keep placing decaying objects there).
wreck locations after 2 hours 10 minutes
WH signature and anomaly locations after what 5 days max?
WH connection locations after 20 or 30 hours depending on type
ice anomalies roids after DT (or ice exhaustion if you want to burn lots of constellation node CPU)
heh removal of anchorable cans etc might as well trigger removal of BMs |

Alundil
Isogen 5
639
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:15:00 -
[62] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:I would really just love BM's to come with an expiry date/time. I am so lazy at deleting the old chain BM's. You aren't the only one 8)
I deleted some yesterday from late July...
I'm right behind you |

Elyas Crux
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.08.11 07:22:00 -
[63] - Quote
+1 Any changes that make bookmarks more usable are needed. |

Badda Benjaminsen
Heimbrent
1
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
Why not just add another bookmark category right above "Corp Bookmarks" called "Alliance Bookmarks" This is just teasing.
And if u do, don't merge the 2 categories. Give us the ability to still choose what to share. |

Badda Benjaminsen
Heimbrent
1
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:59:00 -
[65] - Quote
Udonor wrote: lots of BMs could be tagged for automatic deletion ... if the BM was placed on object (right click menu) 
No because previous wrecks, whs, site bms etc can be useful. |

Chuck Dexter
Full Contact
2
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:55:00 -
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Hi, great that you are working on the bm's. ;)
I dont know if anyone wrote it already:
1. [One thing that could be more comfortable is: if you are the idiot who had to make 3 BMs during one warp, for example between a Gate and a planet for you fleet - as u are sitting in a fast Warping ship, it would be great and simple to increase the number, so that every spot got a unique and logic name.
The word "spot in XY-123 System" is very bad, because if you do 3 BM in maybe 5 seconds you dont know immediatly which BM is which spot in the right-click-menue. But this is very important, especially if you are in hurry and in Communication with your fleet and do Corporation BM's. So you can command: "take spot 3" if it would be named with "spot in System XY-123_3" for example.
Maybe you can Make Bookmark-Folders where BM's automatically saved in and get the same Folder- Name with a Number. Requirement is, that you preselect this Folder before you execute a first bookmark. For Example: Folder Name "Save Spot" if this is preselect every bookmark will named with Save Spot_1, Save Spot_2, etc...
Today you often need a bunch of Bookmarks in really short time, maybe your running away from a outnumbered fight or combat probes are in space. In stressy situations it could be much easier.
2. Really nice would be a BM "Broadcast-Function" in Fleet-History window. Maybe you want to get your fleet out of a fight cause your oponent is going to loose too much ISK and you dont want to be an as....le killing all of there stuff....ehhh... Ok, it would be great if someone (maybe with a special role) Squad commander, Wing COmmander, FC or scout...whoever could broadcast a warp out Save-Spot or a BM for a meeting point that you can atomatically warp to with rightclick? Ok, some things are too comfortable, but the general Thought of broadcasting BM's for special use, could be interesting?
That was only an initial Flash brainstorming from me...if it is all crap...than forget it. ;) |

Montgomery Black
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
57
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Posted - 2014.08.13 09:08:00 -
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Id like the ability to select multiple corp bookmarks and right click -> copy to cargohold.
the current copy and drag from corp bookmarks to personal BM folder and then move to cargohold is a pain... especially when u can only move to your cargohold 5 at a time.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11043

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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:18:00 -
[68] - Quote
Hey everyone thanks for the continued feedback. We expect that the bookmark changes will be testable in the next update of SISI, do you can experience them for yourself. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
754
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
maybe post about them somewhere other than the secret wormhole pve forum. |

Callic Veratar
610
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Posted - 2014.08.13 19:50:00 -
[70] - Quote
TrouserDeagle wrote:maybe post about them somewhere other than the secret wormhole pve forum. Like in the devblog that was posted a week ago? |
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Ikrima
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 12:54:00 -
[71] - Quote
The known unknowns: Please tell me that is a Donald Rumsfeld reference. i love it than a company in iceland is so attuned to recent US history.
This feedback presumes that things in space are in orbit of something and that ccp will one day make planets orbit expressing the change that occurs naturally in every solar system. This concept is a known unknown.
BOOKMARK FEEDBACK:
Bookmarks should be relative.
relative to the sun, relative to a planet etc...
Everything in space is in some orbit or some other object with a gravitational pull.
Moons orbit planet, planets orbit suns, suns orbit galaxies....
You have the pocos orbiting planets which is a nice and welcome effect. (Buy that dev an Oktu Toktu on me.)
IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO INDICATE WHEN SAVING A BOOKMARK WHETHER THE BOOKMARK IS RELATIVE TO THE SUN OR PLANET or some other object (moon).
Why does this matter?
When you build in the functionality of planets actually orbiting a boomark could change over time. A bookmark made on the outter most belt would be on grid but over the course of time would become off grid and visa versa.
This would provide an opportunity for the long term player to balance with the old school players who benefitted from an exploit to create uber deep offgrid safespots.
In some systems it is not possible to get out of scan range because making an uber deep safe is not possible (system doesnt have missions sites to save etc...).
Others will want to have their safespots stationary ie relative to a planet, moon, startgate whatever.
There should be a balance for the young player who wishes to create and save a deep safespot with the vet player who still benefits from an old exploit that allowed them to create uber deep safespots.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
467
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:54:00 -
[72] - Quote
just had a gander at the new bookmark (un)restrictions, its nice that its had a 100% increase in copys per time but i feel its approaching the problem from the wrong angle.
small groups of bookmarks are no bother making by shift clicking a few times and shift dragging into a couple of new containers, and the 5 copies per time lift to 10 copies per time is awesome, but still, for small bunches its not exactly much effort at all.
when you're making multiple sets of bookmarks for many people eg each corp in your wormhole alliance needs the latest set of bookmarks or you need to dump a ton of bookmarks you currenlty have from your people and places into "cold storage" even the 10 bookmarks per time is awkward.
Yes, its 'less' awkward than it is now but a metaphor for the problem is like finally scaling the first wall in an assault course and being happy, only to find another higher wall in front of you, with a bit more of a run up.
>> Make bookmark copying an industry job << , a slight isk sink but largely a hands off approach that takes time to do. not only will it reduce the minute to minute load for the server, by people not doing it actively, but also be able to make multiple runs of a bunch of bookmarks from 1 can into several. |

Klarion Sythis
Literally Solo
297
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:02:00 -
[73] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: >> Make bookmark copying an industry job <<
Dude. Seriously? God no. I hope you're just trolling.
That sounds terrible for any wormhole alliance and a good way to screw up all kinds of W-Space joint ops. |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
467
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:27:00 -
[74] - Quote
Klarion Sythis wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote: >> Make bookmark copying an industry job <<
Dude. Seriously? God no. I hope you're just trolling. That sounds terrible for any wormhole alliance and a good way to screw up all kinds of W-Space joint ops.
i mean as an additional to what we have already. For large sets and sets you want to create multiple copies of, not a replacement. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11073

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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:47:00 -
[75] - Quote
Ikrima wrote:The known unknowns: Please tell me that is a Donald Rumsfeld reference. i love it than a company in iceland is so attuned to recent US history.
It most definitely is. 
By the way, the changes to bookmark copying are on sisi now so feel free to give them a try and let us know how they feel. We'll also be doing a mass test next week where we will have everyone do a lot of simultaneous bookmark operations to make sure the server doesn't mind too much. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
764
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:54:00 -
[76] - Quote
Any progress on getting BM's that we can set the delete time on? Would clean up a lot of space in the DB If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1392
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Posted - 2014.08.15 04:05:00 -
[77] - Quote
I make most of my eve income from bookmarks, so have a bit of a love-hate relationship with this part of the game.
Things I'd like to see changed include:
- The ability to store more bookmarks, even in less readily accessible (and less demanding of server / bandwidth resources) locations that the PnP folder system that we mostly use nowadays. I run multiple alts to keep track of the various collections I build and sell. I regularly use the storage-limit workaround to allow them to hold tens of thousands but it's still a bit of a PITA.
- More than five-at-a-time copying. Five at a time is relatively easy to keep a visual track of when copying large numbers of bookmarks but it makes for a very tedious pedantic activity when you need to do so accurately.
- Somehow streamline copying / uploading times. I tend to set upload bookmark jobs for when I am heading to bed, so the necessary hours can happen when I am AFK.
- Able to sort bookmark vouchers in a similar way to being able to sort bookmarks installed in the PnP folders.
- Able to search bookmarks installed in the PnP folders.
- Able to apply tags to bookmarks, like I can for contacts and (indirectly) my overview, to provide another way of minimising the number of bookmarks showing when you're operating. So, for example, when we're on a hostile territory roam I can select my perches tag ... and not have to see the safespots, JBs, POSes etc until I decide to change. This has potential to reduce server load during jumps and ops ... jumps (gates and bridges) being where I notice bookmark-induced-lag the most.
- Able to set an expiry (self-destruct) time on a bookmark. I don't know about others but my w-space collections tend to bloat over time, with long-expired locations, and my corp collections similarly puff-out with useless accumulations. If I could choose to set a K162 bookmark to expire in, say, 36-hours I'm going to be a tidier and less server intensive person.
- Able to setup a bookmark view where you can see comments.
- Other sharing options for bookmarks. Alliance-wide would remove a lot of bookmark duplication amongst the corps that makeup the larger alliances. Similarly I'd love to be able to setup other buddy sharing options so that, for example, I could share a particular bookmark or set of bookmarks with a buddy across the cosmos.
I guess those are a lot of asks, and they're not at all w-space specific, but I do spend a lot of time dealing with bookmarks and would very much like a little loving to be applied to them.
Having said that I will now read above, prolly to discover others have already said all the same things ... or already disagreed vehemently with them :-) I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Ruric Thyase
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:06:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Ikrima wrote:The known unknowns: Please tell me that is a Donald Rumsfeld reference. i love it than a company in iceland is so attuned to recent US history. It most definitely is.  By the way, the changes to bookmark copying are on sisi now so feel free to give them a try and let us know how they feel. We'll also be doing a mass test next week where we will have everyone do a lot of simultaneous bookmark operations to make sure the server doesn't mind too much.
Am I the only one who read the first quote and thought of Austrian Economics, more specifically Kirzner's explanation of rational and sheer ignorance?
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The Hessian
German Angels The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2014.08.16 07:06:00 -
[79] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:We expect that the bookmark changes will be testable in the next update of SISI, do you can experience them for yourself.
So .. it would be helpful if you could acutally tell us what you changed instead of us guessing.
Things I found out (on 16.Aug.):
Copy from Locations to Cargo:
- you can copy 10 BMs in one scoop instead of 5.
- The copying from Locations to cargo seemed instantanious (but obviously SISI cluster is not cramped).
Drag from Cargo to Locations:
- quite fast, but not instant. Draged 888 BMs, took less than a minute .. maybe 45 seconds (takes up to 30 Minutes on Tranq currently).
Copy from Personal Locations to Corp Locations and back (no limit in numbers / scoop):
- Instant even for large amounts of BM (copied 500, less than a second). But I guess we had this already on Tranq already (not sure).
Other:
- Corp BM Limit still 500, no Alliance BMs
- Personal BM Limit still 13.000 BMs (you can "hold" more by dragging them from cargo to Locations but once you reach 13k you "add location" new ones or drag-in new ones from Corp Locations).
Bugs?:
- You can not copy/drag from Corp Locations to Cargo if you try to copy/drag less then 10 BMs (nothing happens) but if you try to copy/drag more than 10 BMs from Corp Locations to cargo you get the error message that you can't copy more than 10 at a time. |

Vipexx Venim
The Sengoku Legacy
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:08:00 -
[80] - Quote
Dawnel wrote:Radial menus for bookmarks for faster warping Bookmarks in overview Subfolders I don't care about the radial menu, but OHGODYES!
I know this is the WH subforums, but I'm dreaming of being able to satisfy my ocd by sorting BMs into Region -+ Constallation -+ Solar System.
Having the option of them showing up in the overview would be convenient.
Also, subfolders. And did I mention subfolders?
Vip. |
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The Hessian
German Angels The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2014.08.16 12:38:00 -
[81] - Quote
Vipexx Venim wrote:[quote=Dawnel]Also, subfolders. And did I mention subfolders?
I have a folder for each Region, plus "Wormhole", plus "Quickwarp", plus "unsorted" .. = 45 Folders *sucks*
Subfolders yould be nice.
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Via Shivon
56
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:31:00 -
[82] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! This thread is for all of your feedback and discussion surrounding the loosening of bookmark copying restrictions that we discussed in our recently released dev blog. We are also interested in your views on the bookmark system as a whole and what you would like to see from it. Just to get us started, we know you want alliance bookmarks. We're working on the backend systems that this kind of change would tie into.
Are there any Plans to increase the Bookmark Limit?
If not, could you give us the option to disable "Bookmark/Folder" in Station to lower our Bookmark count and have the option to create new ones? Shure nobody needs 30000 BM at once, but from time to time you shure do. |

Dynamiittiukko
Fistful of Finns Triumvirate.
39
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:50:00 -
[83] - Quote
This is extremely good news!
I seriously hope the restriction loosening means a dramatic increase in the amount of bookmarks you can copy at one time. This coming from a person who makes most of his ISK by selling bookmarks and has copied a bare minimum of 150,000 of them - 5 at a time.
While you do get quite good and fast at copying bookmarks over time it's still frustrating to be able to only copy max 5 at a time. I would seriously love being able to copy an entire region's (~125-500) bookmarks at once.
Certainly doesn't hurt if moving the bookmarks from a container to your People & Places becomes significantly faster too. My Stain bookmark pack has 485 bookmarks and it may take up to 2 hours to move them, depending on server load.
.d |

Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:02:00 -
[84] - Quote
Marox Calendale wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote:Not entirely sure why this is something feedback is needed over. Do people regularly need to transfer more than 5 bookmarks at a time to a container for sharing to others? If so, there sounds like other issues that are not being addressed here, and this is a Band-aid to help something that needs a cast and traction. Still, I guess its an improvement? That said, it's not like I needed better corp management interfaces. Or more functional POS code that didn't cause my own defenses to target me and unload when I just anchored it an hour ago. Or for my master wallet access to not be required for every industrial job by anyone in my corp/ Yeah, none of that is needed, really. But this bookmarks thing really feels important.  Not sure if this is a troll post or not, but if not I guess you never lived in a WH with an alliance or coalition. Sharing 40 - 50 Bookmarks is not a rare thing, if you do. So I know certain people who say that this bookmark patch is the only important change CCP is providing with Hyperion. Actually, I was being serious. For now, this change is just them taking a limiter off already existing mechanics. I do agree some modicum of graciousness might be in order, but it feels less like a feature than a footnote.
You just named the real issue here, and it's not one of copying bookmarks 50 at a time, it's one of not being able to share within an alliance. I know the pain of having to share a stack of bookmarks between characters who aren't in the same corp, but there is a very simple solution to that, though its also dangerous and distasteful: Get everyone into the same corporation. Until the dreamed of ideas for alliance bookmarks come into existence, this is the only real way to effectively share bookmarks for a wormhole lifestyle.
As to the idea of alliance-wide bookmarks... This does create some complex and difficult choices about how bookmarks may be added or, more importantly, deleted, but those are decisions for if/when alliance bookmarks come into being. I would recommend that bookmark sharing be allowing a corp to mirror (without allowing them to be changed by other corps) a set of bookmarks from a folder in the originating corporation. If another corp wishes to share their bookmarks, they could mirror them as well into this new location. It allows a "look but don't touch" access level, and preserves the original locations for the creating corp so they can't be locked out or waylaid while exploring a chain. It isn't a perfect solution, but it might be a possible one for the moment, without is becoming a tool for internal information warfare via deletion of key locations. (Most corp members would be wise to keep a set of personal bookmarks for locations anyhow, but that's just my level of paranoia showing.) |

unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
148
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:50:00 -
[85] - Quote
So what did change?
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The Hessian
German Angels The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:34:00 -
[86] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:So what did change?
You can copy 10 BM in one go instead of 5 and its faster .. thats it.
"The speed at which players can copy bookmark locations has been increased, and the throttling limits have been lowered." |

King Akira
NACHO El Dorado NACHO Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:10:00 -
[87] - Quote
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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
174
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:01:00 -
[88] - Quote
OH my god the SPEEEEED!!
+1 |

Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:00:00 -
[89] - Quote
I am very happy to see at least one aspect of Hyperion added a beneficial change to the game. |

Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
78
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:48:00 -
[90] - Quote
Completely useless when your corp moves out of WHs due to the rest of the changes. |
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realdognose
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
+1 so far.
+1 for Alliance Bookmarks.
(or even better: Deployable Alliance-Beacons with a maximum lifetime of 24hours - could be nice for 0.0-Fleets as well) |

Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:29:00 -
[92] - Quote
Moloney wrote:Completely useless when your corp moves out of WHs due to the rest of the changes. Not true. When you place your WH on the market and sell it for pennies, the new bookmark copying feature will benefit you greatly as you sell off all that used to matter to you to some yokel that doesn't know how bad things are now.  |

Pro TIps
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.09.01 10:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
I thought the copying restrictions would be lifted more than they have been. I can copy 10 BMs at a time now, instead of 5. I still experienced a multi-minute delay between copy operations. Also, updating the corp bookmarks remains slow.
Was I doing this at a time when the "bookmark server" is busy; or are the limits still pretty low? I am not impressed. |

unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
149
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Posted - 2014.09.01 20:30:00 -
[94] - Quote
I realy like the 10 bm limit. I just copied 34 bookmarks to pass the scanned change to an other corp in the alliance. Although alliance or fleet bookmarks would be more handy , i think it will help us . The big number of wormholes makes it that a lot of copying of bm's are nescesairy. I would love to have an easier way to know if you have 10 bm's selected or not. Maybe add some column in the bm list with a number so when you need to copy 34 bm's you know you have done 1-10 ,11-20 and still need to do 20-30 and 30-34. Now we are just counting them. Maybe some UI magic could help? Say if you select 12 bm's the last 2 selected ones have a different collor or something. So you can see that you need to go back a few. |

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights Galactic Skyfleet Empire
379
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:11:00 -
[95] - Quote
+1 Decent change, though - this seems to favor large corps and alliances more than small corps. We jumped on the alliance band-wagon to avert getting ****ed by these changes. Net effect? Blue donut-ing WH space. *golf clap* |

Kinraka
Happy Endings. Happy Endings
15
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:44:00 -
[96] - Quote
Traiori wrote:This is a good change, and one that improves QoL in wormholes.
I look forward to seeing Alliance bookmarks as well, which would also reduce the amount of bookmarks that some groups need to copy over between people. +1 to alliance bookmarks Sheep shagger from way back
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
20
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Posted - 2014.09.05 03:30:00 -
[97] - Quote
Here's what needs to happen - the ability to copy a SINGLE bookmark linked by one player into a chat into your personal folder. No grand alliance schemes or anything like that. I'm annoyed that I can't copy a bookmark I made for one corp in my Alliance into my personal folder now that I've moved into a different corp within the same Alliance. Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up. "Life is too short to drink cheap beer." |

Newt BlackCompany
BlackCompany Personal Corp
9
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Posted - 2014.09.30 04:28:00 -
[98] - Quote
1) allow copying of bm's from corp bm's directly. Right now, you have to copy them to your personal bm's before you can duplicate them to a container.
2) allow sharing of bm's in chats via a link, just like we share fits and locations and such. After all, a bm is really just a set of coordinates.
3) allow copying of any number (up to the 250 bm or whatever limit) of bm's at once. doing it 10-by-10 is tedious.
4) wasn't there something discussed about alliance-level bm's? That'd be a very good idea - at least until pos and corp permissions are fixed so that I don't need to be in a different corp to online a reactor array, or otherwise also have the rights to offline the pos shields!
Thanks, Newt
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