And advice to the logibros: do not break lock until they are out of harms way.

The point is, though, that I bet if I contacted anyone here in GD and told them I was depressed and thinking of hurting myself, they'd be there to listen and would get me the help I needed.

We pick on one another here in GD. We poke, troll, and generally argue till we're breaking keyboards (up to 5 here). And, maybe, some of us go too far sometimes.

Confirming that I would indeed help. 7o.

And advice to the logibros: do not break lock until they are out of harms way.

The point is, though, that I bet if I contacted anyone here in GD and told them I was depressed and thinking of hurting myself, they'd be there to listen and would get me the help I needed.

That's actually the opposite of the (very limited) suicide prevention training I got. Pass them off to the professionals and disengage before you become their primary contact, because once that happens, you need to be available 24/7 for months.

This is actually true. Although it feels selfish or harsh, the most important thing you can do is make sure you get the person into the hands of professional folks as soon as possible. You are not passing the buck - if someone truly is on the brink, get them trained help.

That said, Rowell's comment is equally true: if someone reaches out to you, don't drop the ball and expect "someone else will take care of it". Stay with them till they are in pro hands.

For a game full of brutal untrustworthy pirate renegades that are both feared and loathed by the rest of the MMO world we have an amazing ability to donate huge sums of cash to help people.

I got 99 mental illnesses but depression ain't one.

No honestly, I have a shitload of mental problems but I have better self esteem than just about anyone.

That's actually the opposite of the (very limited) suicide prevention training I got. Pass them off to the professionals and disengage before you become their primary contact, because once that happens, you need to be available 24/7 for months.

Because basically just become antisocial. It just makes life a lot easier.

I doubt anyone wants that on their conscience.

I've had depression all of my life, and while I've never been suicidal or one to self harm, the point at which I would have been closest to that was when I had no friends to speak of because I had become so withdrawn - rarely leaving my room or interacting with anyone.

Well I've been far deeper than you and let me tell you, it ain't worth it. **** everyone and **** everything.

Can't say I shared the same experience. I found other people to be a waste of time and you know why?

Yesterday I was arrested and held in police custody, they asked me to speak to a drugs and alcohol advisor. I agreed. We talked and I told him it was a waste of time. He asked me why I thought that and I said, because of thisddd

Do you remember the last person you gave advice to? Do you remember the person before that? Or the person before that or the person before that? He told me he couldn't.

So I said Exactly! It's a waste of time because no one gives a ****. You don't give a ****, you can't even remember the people you're supposed to give meaningful support to. That's why it's a waste of time.

That's depressing.

Well I've been far deeper than you and let me tell you, it ain't worth it. **** everyone and **** everything.

If you ever change your mind, here's a thread full of people you can talk to. It may not be much but it's better than nothing, in my opinion.

...but then you magnificent bastards show your true colors and help people out when they need it.

What about Mittani?

This is why I love EVE. You have all your pirates, scammers, and trolls, but then you magnificent bastards show your true colors and help people out when they need it.

*hugs for everyone*

That's actually the opposite of the (very limited) suicide prevention training I got. Pass them off to the professionals and disengage before you become their primary contact, because once that happens, you need to be available 24/7 for months.

I was going to say I believe 'The Mittani' would have no comment, but Alex Gianturco would be very apologetic... but he said the exact thing himself, so no need to conjecture- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86980

This is very much a player thing, not a character thing. On the whole, the community is fairly good at drawing that line (with a few exceptions on the fringes, but there's always a few).

7o. Always classy. Love (and miss) you guys.

We have a very serious problem in this country with how we understand and deal with the high correlations between addiction, depression, and suicide.

Our typical assumption of a causal chain is a bit like a yoda-ism. Depression leads to abuse, abuse leads to addiction, and addiction leads to suicide.

Part of this causal fallacy is that people get hopped up on whatever they are addicted to . . . drugs, alcohol, sex, whatever, and when they are beyond making a rational decision because of the high they are feeling, they make an irrational choice to end things.

Anecdotally, I don't find this to be true. And I think there is enough data extant to find out if this is true. I think that addiction finds its own reason. There are some genetic components to it and some social. Certainly some depressed people turn to abuse and abuse leads to addiction, but the story just isn't that simple.

The biggest problem with addiction is the way that some addicts are treated by society. No matter where your addiction came from, genetic predisposition or intentional abuse, addiction leads to depression. Once you realize that society says that you have no choice and no control over your life, that no one trusts you to behave responsibly in the presence of whatever it is you are addicted to, that you have a disease with no cure, and that society looks down on you for having it, you will become depressed.

When everyone in your life, everyone who loves you says at the same time, "It's not your fault, but we fault you for it." When everyone you love looks at you and says, "I understand you have a problem. But I can't be with you anymore." When everyone in the job world says, "You're great! We love you! But we can't hire you because of this thing that is out of your control."

That, my friends, is the definition of depression. When society's only response to your plight is, "We don't blame you for who you are, we just blame you for who you are." what rational option is there left in the world? What sane person wants to live in a world like that? Who wants to live in a world where you have been defined as a failure, no matter what you do or don't do? What person wants to live in a world where basic logic has no meaning?

No one wants to live with that. It is particularly frustrating to see people addicted to all kinds of nonsense that is NOT looked down on by society. The reality is that peer-approval is a more powerful drug than anything any of us addicts smoke, shoot, have sex with, or shove up our butts. And the self-righteous masses sit around basking in the glow of their shared high of moral superiority, as though that's not a drug, and you aren't addicted to it.

Meanwhile, we feel sorry for or demonize or criticize those people who take their own lives to get away from the madness of being an addict in a world full of hypocritical addicts.

I'm not saying that I'm in favor of suicide. I'm saying that suicide is the ever-present shadow of a society that treats addicts like criminals, and I'm saying that it is a rational response to some kinds of treatment. We desperately need to understand this. It's not irrational, it's not crazy, and it's not because someone is messed up on drugs. It's a completely rational response to an unending situation that has no positive outcome.

I won't ever do it because two people have affected my life by doing it in all the most horrible ways. Every time it crosses my mind I think about my family and my brothers and my friends and how much that would hurt them. But I have a shadow that says to me every morning when I wake up, "Really? You want to go through this again?"

And I say, "Yes."

... the majority in Eve all thought it was a great laugh and that pushing people to suicide is "the new meta".


+1 to OP for trying, if he's really serious, but, this is Eve. I'm calling BS.

Several common posters on this forum without fail push the view that anyone who is so "weak" as to have emotions shouldn't be playing Eve in the first place.

Contrary to popular belief, most suicides are "spur of the moment" decisions, and the actual suicidal crisis typically lasts less than 24 hours. We've found the whole "Well he woulda done it anyway" to be pretty much an untruth.

The best thing to do if faced with a suicidal person is stay with them, be non-judgemental, and ask direct questions.

"Are you thinking about hurting yourself?"
"Do you have something on-hand to use to kill yourself"
"It must be rough, feeling like this. Tell me more about what made you feel depressed?"

Changing the subject doesn't work. The whole time of suicidal ideation is a very subjective, emotional time, and by asking direct questions that require thought, you're forcing more objective logic-based brain centers to operate.

In the end, your best best is to get them to an ER, so a professional can do a full evaluation and get the ball rolling on help.

I would be very interested in seeing the sources you have that support your first statements.

I would be very interested in seeing the sources you have that support your first statements.

I believe the point is that the act itself very often is spontaneous, even though the person usually have had suicidal thoughts for some time.

Lady Areola is a health professional IIRC.

I didn't read any of the responses, but am going to post any way.


As a person who struggles with depression on a regular bases and has, in the past, had the idea of suiscide cross my mind. Only to be shut down by reasons I'm keeping to my self. The thing that drives my depression is a sence of aloneness. Having people occupy space around you and having people actualy engage you on a metaphysical level for your sake, are entirely different. For me, if all your doing is sitting on my couch so that I'm not alone, then dont bother. Your not helping your actualy enflaming the issue. The same is true about being handed a business card of some therapist. You may be trying to say "I want to help but dont know how". But I precieve it to mean "I dont even wan't to try and help". My thing has always been, how is some one I'm paying going to tell me they care about me? When the people that matter to me would wrather hand me a phone number.

My point is this. Struggling with suicide is litterely a time bomb. Every one has a certain amount of wires they can have cut. The questions that no one can answer are;
When do I cut it?
What color do I cut?
How many wires do i cut?
The only answer is that any wire can be the last.

This post deserves a long, thoughtfull reply, but I hardly even know where to start.

Look, go see that therapist. Just do it. It's not so much about your surroundings choosing different ways to show that they care, as it is about you taking some control of your situation. Not the easiest thing, but a professional therapist can and will help.

Go see the therapist. Seriously.

Altogether untrue.

For my own part, you are allowed to have emotions. What you aren't allowed to do is try and throw them at people, acting like you're entitled to anything because someone else blew up your space pixels. And you certainly aren't allowed to use "emotions" as an excuse to flagrantly violate the terms of service, no matter what the in game situation might be.

This is a freaking game. Do your "emotions" come into play during a game of Checkers? If so, you might consider seeking psychological counseling.

Oh, and not playing EVE Online in the first place. That too.

Seriously? That's what you have to say?
First, I've gotten help. Second it's that kind of comment that you should just never say.... It's arrogant, callus and just ignorant.
If I had heard you say that to some who needed help. The first thing I would advise to do is never listen to you. Thats the exact type of comment that I was talking about that would have put me over the edge.

Really? Guess we relate to the world differently, then. I agree it wasn't as exhaustive as it should have been.

What sort of reply would you react more positive towards?

Is this sarcasm? This community has been 1000% in your face hate for the past several years.
Mocking anyone who dares to even admit that they have "feelings" or that something that happened upset them. And God forbid that said "something" happened in game.
Several common posters on this forum without fail push the view that anyone who is so "weak" as to have emotions shouldn't be playing Eve in the first place.
As for suicidal thoughts, we've seen plenty on how the community views that. Regardless of whether or not Alex truly felt bad about what he did at Fanfest, the majority in Eve all thought it was a great laugh and that pushing people to suicide is "the new meta".


+1 to OP for trying, if he's really serious, but, this is Eve. I'm calling BS.

The OP title is Broadcast for reps. Aka call for help. This wave or movement that sais "If some calls for help send them to a professional" is like that story of a woman being assaulted in a park an every one is standing in a circle just wachting and only a few people called 911 and thats all they did. All they could be bothered with is a phone call. The same is true with what you said. Its not that you missunderstood me. It was your reaction to how you understood me. Few rules of thumb are to never confront a person boldly and in public about them needing help. Never accuse or start off with what you think is going on. Ask before advise. And before you pass the buck, offer and try to do something. Any ounce of compassin goes a long way.

But thats for people like me. Not necissarily peolpe with a chemical imbalance. But dont jump strait to the chemical imbalance.