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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1132
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:24:00 -
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Gaming God wrote:Why is it so hard to just give us some new normal level 4 missions ? Remove missions like duo of dead and just give us some normal level 4 missions . And please do something about the inflation increase bounties . If i wanted to fly an frig i would go to 0.0 But i dont want to fly an frig This is not fore the mission runner NO this is fore the PVP guy that wants to train someting with out any risk to loose his pod !!
So just turn them down with no penalty?... Does bother you so much that you're given the option to do them? So because you don't like them no one else should be allowed to do them either?
And you don't have to go to 0.0 to fly a frigate in PVP.... |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
238
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Posted - 2014.08.17 17:09:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Gaming God wrote:Why is it so hard to just give us some new normal level 4 missions ? Remove missions like duo of dead and just give us some normal level 4 missions . And please do something about the inflation increase bounties . If i wanted to fly an frig i would go to 0.0 But i dont want to fly an frig This is not fore the mission runner NO this is fore the PVP guy that wants to train someting with out any risk to loose his pod !! So just turn them down with no penalty?... Does bother you so much that you're given the option to do them? So because you don't like them no one else should be allowed to do them either? And you don't have to go to 0.0 to fly a frigate in PVP....
Heck, I don't even take cruisers to NullSec anymore, FW-LowSec is so much closer for a fast fight. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
74
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Posted - 2014.08.17 17:50:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Gaming God wrote:Why is it so hard to just give us some new normal level 4 missions ? Remove missions like duo of dead and just give us some normal level 4 missions . And please do something about the inflation increase bounties . If i wanted to fly an frig i would go to 0.0 But i dont want to fly an frig This is not fore the mission runner NO this is fore the PVP guy that wants to train someting with out any risk to loose his pod !! Hm that name looks familiar... Can you say ALOD? That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Gaming God
Gaming God Corporation
58
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Posted - 2014.08.18 06:47:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Gaming God wrote:Why is it so hard to just give us some new normal level 4 missions ? Remove missions like duo of dead and just give us some normal level 4 missions . And please do something about the inflation increase bounties . If i wanted to fly an frig i would go to 0.0 But i dont want to fly an frig This is not fore the mission runner NO this is fore the PVP guy that wants to train someting with out any risk to loose his pod !! Hm that name looks familiar... Can you say ALOD?
Bla bla bla |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
55
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:03:00 -
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Maybe its been said already. When will these hit the testserver? |
Jmanis Catharg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:42:00 -
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Nad'x Hapax wrote:Maybe its been said already. When will these hit the testserver?
Wait, they're not?
The way some people were talking it was as if they were already on the test server. What the hell... people already have their knickers in a knot and they haven't even seen them in action? Get a grip... |
Bastion Arzi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:02:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:God!!! Y U ALL Complaint so much. You lack discipline, dedication and creativity.
Here:
[Hawk, DualASB Hawk]
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25 Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25 Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 280mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
All your problems are solved!
lol is this a joke?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7684
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Posted - 2014.08.18 12:35:00 -
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Gaming God wrote:James Baboli wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Gaming God wrote:Why is it so hard to just give us some new normal level 4 missions ? Remove missions like duo of dead and just give us some normal level 4 missions . And please do something about the inflation increase bounties . If i wanted to fly an frig i would go to 0.0 But i dont want to fly an frig This is not fore the mission runner NO this is fore the PVP guy that wants to train someting with out any risk to loose his pod !! Hm that name looks familiar... Can you say ALOD? Bla bla bla
I translate this as "I didn't want that 22 billion isk Golem anyway" lol.
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Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
55
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Posted - 2014.08.18 13:29:00 -
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Jmanis Catharg wrote:Nad'x Hapax wrote:Maybe its been said already. When will these hit the testserver? Wait, they're not? The way some people were talking it was as if they were already on the test server. What the hell... people already have their knickers in a knot and they haven't even seen them in action? Get a grip...
Dont get me wrong. They might be, I have no idea and I dont want to sit on the testserver for an undetermined amount of time to maybe get to run one.
So let me rephrase: Are there missions on the testserver? If not anyone knows when they will be?
Also: +1 CCP |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
287
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Posted - 2014.08.18 16:36:00 -
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Laulau Firn wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:That applies to like 99% of things in the game. Yeah. Maybe they should start designing content that is challenging and cant be trivialized by alts.
We're talking about a game that's designed to be multiplayer. The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
236
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Posted - 2014.08.18 17:04:00 -
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They should have the pirate NPC try to warp out when it hits hull.
So you need a point/scram in order to hold them down and get the kill. Not fly 8km/s and shoot him from 80km away
Also, having the pirate warp out when 2 people are on the field is completely legitimate. Just put a scram/long point on the enemy before warping in your friends. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
238
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Posted - 2014.08.18 17:17:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:They should have the pirate NPC try to warp out when it hits hull.
So you need a point/scram in order to hold them down and get the kill. Not fly 8km/s and shoot him from 80km away
Also, having the pirate warp out when 2 people are on the field is completely legitimate. Just put a scram/long point on the enemy before warping in your friends.
You can have a frigate doing one or the other (barely) but not both at the same time. Hell, if you could do both, you wouldn't be able to apply any DPS anyway. Not with that speed at that range. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
236
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Posted - 2014.08.18 17:39:00 -
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Garmur says hi.
Also, I'm sure the Worm could have similar possibilities with LMLs.
the numbers were a little exaggerated, but 5km/s and 50km away is still redonkulous |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
454
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Posted - 2014.08.18 17:52:00 -
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I hope all missions become like these. |
Julius Priscus
325
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:29:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:I hope all missions become like these.
whats that?
payout = all lp and no isk? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1112
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:27:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:They should have the pirate NPC try to warp out when it hits hull.
So you need a point/scram in order to hold them down and get the kill. Not fly 8km/s and shoot him from 80km away
Also, having the pirate warp out when 2 people are on the field is completely legitimate. Just put a scram/long point on the enemy before warping in your friends. You can have a frigate doing one or the other (barely) but not both at the same time. Hell, if you could do both, you wouldn't be able to apply any DPS anyway. Not with that speed at that range.
You could get the 80km by dropping a Bouncer or Warden from an Ishkur.
Whether an Ishkur can be tweaked enough for 8 km/s is another question. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
586
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:20:00 -
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Nad'x Hapax wrote:Jmanis Catharg wrote:Nad'x Hapax wrote:Maybe its been said already. When will these hit the testserver? Wait, they're not? The way some people were talking it was as if they were already on the test server. What the hell... people already have their knickers in a knot and they haven't even seen them in action? Get a grip... Dont get me wrong. They might be, I have no idea and I dont want to sit on the testserver for an undetermined amount of time to maybe get to run one. So let me rephrase: Are there missions on the testserver? If not anyone knows when they will be? Also: +1 CCP
not yet, Fozzie says soonGäó https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366980&find=unread
and they will disable normal missions for a while so the players can go test the burner missions. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
595
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:49:00 -
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I honestly cannot find a way to look at these missions in a way this is not positive. What is not to like? New content, new challenges for PvE, at least for a couple of days before they get figured out. Rewards being tweaked to stay in line with current lvl 4 missions. Some attempt to prevent blitz-farming by mixing them in with lvl 4s instead of dedicated agents.
It all seems pretty well thought out to me.
What I hear in this thread and the feedback thread is a bunch of jealousy bearing. Some people seem to be afraid that they won't be able to take advantage of the rewards from these missions because they don't have high-level frigate skills on their mission toons.
Good grief. Get over it already. And realize that if things work out, this could be the beginning of some nice things for PvE if we get cruiser, BC, and BS versions of these missions, which I hope we do.
Turrents |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1115
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:08:00 -
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Glathull wrote:
What I hear in this thread and the feedback thread is a bunch of jealousy bearing. Some people seem to be afraid that they won't be able to take advantage of the rewards from these missions because they don't have high-level frigate skills on their mission toons.
Probably more that some people are obsessed with battleships.
To be honest if you have good fitting/nav/general skills to run a battleship then training into any of the assault frigates with T2 weapons probably will take about 3 weeks at most.
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Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
595
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:22:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Glathull wrote:
What I hear in this thread and the feedback thread is a bunch of jealousy bearing. Some people seem to be afraid that they won't be able to take advantage of the rewards from these missions because they don't have high-level frigate skills on their mission toons.
Probably more that some people are obsessed with battleships. To be honest if you have good fitting/nav/general skills to run a battleship then training into any of the assault frigates with T2 weapons probably will take about 3 weeks at most.
Bingo. Anyone who is running lvl 4s efficiently could be doing these burner missions by the time they get released if they started training the day they were announced instead of whining. Turrents |
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
455
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:23:00 -
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Carebear grind mindset. Mine roids while training for BS, training for BS weapons, training fitting skills, read EVE Survival, run missions. All other ships are not needed, or don't care about them.
That is what I am hearing. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:09:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:God!!! Y U ALL Complaint so much. You lack discipline, dedication and creativity.
Here:
[Hawk, DualASB Hawk]
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25 Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25 Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 280mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
All your problems are solved! lol is this a joke?
What exactly makes that fit a joke? I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses.............. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
238
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:45:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:God!!! Y U ALL Complaint so much. You lack discipline, dedication and creativity.
Here:
[Hawk, DualASB Hawk]
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25 Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25 Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 280mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
All your problems are solved! lol is this a joke? What exactly makes that fit a joke?
1. Against kiters, you die. 2. With a fit based on you staying close to your enemy, a energy neutralizer or vamp would be better then the artillery. In most cases, your artillery will miss most of the time. Especially with a hull that has no bonus to tracking.
My two cents. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:56:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:
1. Against kiters, you die. 2. With a fit based on you staying close to your enemy, a energy neutralizer or vamp would be better then the artillery. In most cases, your artillery will miss most of the time. Especially with a hull that has no bonus to tracking.
My two cents.
You are correct when dealing with player characters who can think, adapt and counter a brawler fit. I do feel that against the NPC's discussed herein, within the context of these PVE/PVP hybrid, burner missions, I think once could effectively yo-yo the NPC into scram and Web range.
I'm sure a Worm would work as well, but I do like a good up close and personal brawl I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses.............. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
586
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:02:00 -
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I don't think scrams will have any effect on the burner npcs, I'd probably just go double web. Also a neut won't do anything. a nos might be useful, but I haven't tried putting a nos on an NPC in a few years.
and I'd probably try putting a hardener and swapping to light missiles for the kiting ones, depending on how hard they are to catch. t2 gallente and caldari resists should make the guristas burner loleasy to tank, and the sansha one well I'm not all that worried.
My biggest question is what pirate implant sets will each have, which "officer/faction" mods, and what gang links? is the serpentis "90% stasis webifier to hold its prey at the edge of scram-range" 9km or 15km? Will the blood raider burner have its long webs in addition to cap war? and if the sansha burner has an oversized AB that might be funny. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
240
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:18:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:
1. Against kiters, you die. 2. With a fit based on you staying close to your enemy, a energy neutralizer or vamp would be better then the artillery. In most cases, your artillery will miss most of the time. Especially with a hull that has no bonus to tracking.
My two cents.
You are correct when dealing with player characters who can think, adapt and counter a brawler fit. I do feel that against the NPC's discussed herein, within the context of these PVE/PVP hybrid, burner missions, I think once could effectively yo-yo the NPC into scram and Web range. I'm sure a Worm would work as well, but I do like a good up close and personal brawl
Just remember, you're also in web and scram range (and some of them do scram, not disrupt) for them, too. Also some of them use afterburners, so I would switch out the scram in those cases for something else. Another web, I suppose. Since this fit uses rockets, which like all missiles react badly to fast ships. If you can't scram the afterburner burners, you can at least double web them.
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Nick Starkey
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
73
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:26:00 -
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These things should scram you and warp off when low or when multiple people engage. Otherwise it's just like 90% of the game that gets trivialized by alts.
Still, +1 for CCP for trying to do something about PVE, even if I think it won't be long til people start farming them with garmurs or worms. .. |
Cerelem
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:39:00 -
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Julius Priscus wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:I hope all missions become like these. whats that? payout = all lp and no isk?
I think he meant like...
Actually fun and a little bit challenging rather that just watching Netflix |
Rezan Tepet
Partial Safety
26
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:20:00 -
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Cerelem wrote:Julius Priscus wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:I hope all missions become like these. whats that? payout = all lp and no isk? I think he meant like... Actually fun and a little bit challenging rather that just watching Netflix
WHAT?! oaramos: |oh-WAR-uh-mohs| n. GÇö-áTerm given to early Caldarian wormhole explorers. From Rataani language; literally, "Wave-jumper."-á adj. GÇö-á[see: "moss" "mossy"] slangGÇö crazy, insane |
Meldan Anstian
Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance
63
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:18:00 -
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I am looking forward to the burner missions.
There are lots of people who don't like the bigger ships, or more expensive ships. I'm totally cool with allowing people to do level 4 missions in ships less than BS and T3 hulls, and if the payout is about the same as a regular level 4, the difficulty needs to be increased, since your only risking frig sized ships.
I'm ok with being told what to expect in the fight. I think the next logical step is to have a higher payout mission and be told much less, maybe something like "your opponent is in a Amarr frigate sized vessal" and not be told anything about what kind of attacks or tactics that will be used.
Someone said that this was CCP's way of forcing more PvP. Ridiculous. It's an optional mission with no penalty for declining. What part of optional is not understood?
If anything, I see this as a way to ease newbies into more PvP, much like FW was intended to be. Cheap ships, presumably they wont be podded if they loose, difficult opponents, not being baited for a hot drop to kill your frigate.
Not everyone will like them, but they are totally optional, and could be a fun addition to mission runnners.
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