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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:17:00 -
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Nick Starkey wrote:These things should scram you and warp off when low or when multiple people engage. Otherwise it's just like 90% of the game that gets trivialized by alts.
Still, +1 for CCP for trying to do something about PVE, even if I think it won't be long til people start farming them with garmurs or worms.
Some DO scram you. Seriously, this is in the dev blog, didn't you read it? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1130
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:32:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Nick Starkey wrote:These things should scram you and warp off when low or when multiple people engage. Otherwise it's just like 90% of the game that gets trivialized by alts.
Still, +1 for CCP for trying to do something about PVE, even if I think it won't be long til people start farming them with garmurs or worms. Some DO scram you. Seriously, this is in the dev blog, didn't you read it?
Be interesting to see if they actually scram or just disrupt ? In current level IVs the message says scram but you are only disrupted. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
587
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Posted - 2014.08.21 03:30:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: Be interesting to see if they actually scram or just disrupt ? In current level IVs the message says scram but you are only disrupted.
this is in the dev blog, didn't you read it?
well I guess they said they would turn off your MWD, I don't think they said if it would be a 1, 2, 3, or even more point scram, so no idea if stabs help, but who really cares about stabs? You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1296
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:32:00 -
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I took a rare trip to Missions and Complexes to find this thread that I just knew had to exist. I also wish CCP would change a few things about these new missions:
1. Make them dynamic and random so, whilst you know whether you will be fighting a brawler or a kiter, you don't quite know the fit.
2. NPC warps out if it isn't pointed.
3. NPC's mates warp in just as you are about to kill him and blob you good (one percent chance). Please note that if this was actually emulating PvP the chance would be MUCH higher.
4. Occasionally the NPC will have a warp core stab fitted. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
65
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:50:00 -
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Zappity wrote:2. NPC warps out if it isn't pointed.
as Fozzieman said:
CCP Fozzie wrote: ...These NPCs will not run out of cap, or warp away.Those kinds of improvements are definitely on our medium to long term roadmap...
New content is good, but... I done soe epic few weeks ago and this i think will be something familliar. Shooting one rat for 15 min because of it repping. Boring, plus it's great oportuninty for PvPers to shoot you down. Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
I am the night. I'm Bantam. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
242
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:24:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Nick Starkey wrote:These things should scram you and warp off when low or when multiple people engage. Otherwise it's just like 90% of the game that gets trivialized by alts.
Still, +1 for CCP for trying to do something about PVE, even if I think it won't be long til people start farming them with garmurs or worms. Some DO scram you. Seriously, this is in the dev blog, didn't you read it? Be interesting to see if they actually scram or just disrupt ? In current level IVs the message says scram but you are only disrupted.
They said burners with scrams shut down your MWD, so this at least works like it should. The kiters most likely just use a disruptor, which won't do a thing to your MWD. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
337
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:51:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:[quote=Goldiiee]
They wont quit until it takes a 100m sp character 100 hours to grind a PLEX in hisec.
Sounds good to me.
"Grind a PLEX in hisec." FFS
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
195
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Posted - 2014.08.26 10:42:00 -
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I ran a few of these yesterday on SISI after the tweaks.
The dual SASB Hawk fit mentioned earlier is not recommended. The DPS is anaemic and it dies. Every time.
At least one of the Burners skips off to 100km if faced with ECM.
The best solo boat is neutron DareDevil or dualweb Worm.
I ended up dualboxing with a cheap Griffin going in first with 4 racial pre-overheated Meta 4's. As long as you're quick to lock, you get a 90%+ chance to jam. Then take in a ganker.
These rats are tiny, and very very fast. They're no pushover.
By the way their bounty has been set at 5m, with 6-7m lp. On Sisi I got no faction drops from 30+ tries but eh, rng is rng.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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Ta'krite
Casalt Corp CAStabouts
0
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:26:00 -
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I tried a sansha burner mission today. The lp and money reward for killing this guy was really bad and I operate in null sec. Lost 2 ships and didn't even come close to breaking them. Sansha burner will shut off your mwd and will web you and pound you at 14km . I tried a duel wed duel tank cruor the with ab. Still couldn't get close to him and he ripped through my 87% resist tank in about 30 secs. Not really that much fun for such little reward. I've seen fits that are supposed to kill it but I honestly can't see how they are supposed to work as the incoming dps was really high. |
Nihilaus Vause
Puppets Incorporated
2
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:01:00 -
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Can anyone confirm if EWar works on these NPCs? |
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Lugalzagezi666
228
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:28:00 -
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Nihilaus Vause wrote:Can anyone confirm if EWar works on these NPCs? Ecm works. Neuts, tds and damps dont work. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28974
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:14:00 -
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Jon Joringer wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I personally don't like this new direction CCP is taking towards PvE content.
This new so-called PvE content is nothing more than mock PvP which is evidenced by the positive feedback from the PvP crowd.
Obviously this is an attempt by CCP to force players who do PvE content into doing PvP. Not to mention it's another step into removing PvE content from Eve..
DMC Last I heard, these missions are completely optional. Why can't PvE players play their PvE missions and let PvP (and those willing to try something new PvE) players play these new pseudo-PvP missions? Isn't that what PvE players, miners, etc are always going on about -- why can't everyone play the way they like?
You want optional PvP missions, fine. I have no problem with that as long as the chance of NPC's dropping Faction/Deadspace/Officer loot is removed. These missions are supposed to mimic PvP in Eve, right?
The majority of PvP fits are done with T2 mods, maybe a couple of Faction mods at best. definitely not a super bling fit using top of the line equipment and implants.
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:My biggest question is what pirate implant sets will each have, which "officer/faction" mods, and what gang links? is the serpentis "90% stasis webifier to hold its prey at the edge of scram-range" 9km or 15km? Will the blood raider burner have its long webs in addition to cap war? and if the sansha burner has an oversized AB that might be funny. Knowing CCP it's top of the line equipment with max level skill stats.
Probably the only way to complete these missions is to gang bang them with a couple of fleet members using top of the line super bling fits.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1182
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:19:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
If the chance of faction mods dropping is in fact enough to make their prices drop, PLEX prices will rise.
Cipher, I swear I am not trolling or being sarcastic, I spent the last 8 hours trying to figure out how cheaper Faction Mods would make for Higher PLEX prices. Help me out, tell me what your thought process was there please.
You can look at market prices for up to a year on a graph in game and sure as **** faction mods go down PLEX goes up.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
144
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:21:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jon Joringer wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I personally don't like this new direction CCP is taking towards PvE content.
This new so-called PvE content is nothing more than mock PvP which is evidenced by the positive feedback from the PvP crowd.
Obviously this is an attempt by CCP to force players who do PvE content into doing PvP. Not to mention it's another step into removing PvE content from Eve..
DMC Last I heard, these missions are completely optional. Why can't PvE players play their PvE missions and let PvP (and those willing to try something new PvE) players play these new pseudo-PvP missions? Isn't that what PvE players, miners, etc are always going on about -- why can't everyone play the way they like? You want optional PvP missions, fine. I have no problem with that as long as the chance of NPC's dropping Faction/Deadspace/Officer loot is removed. These missions are supposed to mimic PvP in Eve, right? The majority of PvP fits are done with T2 mods, maybe a couple of Faction mods at best. definitely not a super bling fit using top of the line equipment and implants.
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:My biggest question is what pirate implant sets will each have, which "officer/faction" mods, and what gang links? is the serpentis "90% stasis webifier to hold its prey at the edge of scram-range" 9km or 15km? Will the blood raider burner have its long webs in addition to cap war? and if the sansha burner has an oversized AB that might be funny. Knowing CCP it's top of the line equipment with max level skill stats. Probably the only way to complete these missions is to gang bang them with a couple of fleet members using top of the line super bling fits. DMC Nope, no gang is needed, you can solo them without bling fits or imps. Check this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369477&find=unread and if you don't believe test them yourself "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
252
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:22:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
If the chance of faction mods dropping is in fact enough to make their prices drop, PLEX prices will rise.
Cipher, I swear I am not trolling or being sarcastic, I spent the last 8 hours trying to figure out how cheaper Faction Mods would make for Higher PLEX prices. Help me out, tell me what your thought process was there please. You can look at market prices for up to a year on a graph in game and sure as **** faction mods go down PLEX goes up.
Correlation is not causation. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1174
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:53:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
If the chance of faction mods dropping is in fact enough to make their prices drop, PLEX prices will rise.
Cipher, I swear I am not trolling or being sarcastic, I spent the last 8 hours trying to figure out how cheaper Faction Mods would make for Higher PLEX prices. Help me out, tell me what your thought process was there please. You can look at market prices for up to a year on a graph in game and sure as **** faction mods go down PLEX goes up. I don't suppose that could be people trying to sell their faction mods a cut rate prices to afford the expensive PLEX?
I'm not saying your wrong, just that you might be a little off on that one.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Daniel Ornulf
Killer Kiwis
1
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:32:00 -
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I thought high-end pvpers live in nullsec or at least never spend hours doing boring missions so who exactly did CCP create this content for? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1183
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:22:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:
If the chance of faction mods dropping is in fact enough to make their prices drop, PLEX prices will rise.
Cipher, I swear I am not trolling or being sarcastic, I spent the last 8 hours trying to figure out how cheaper Faction Mods would make for Higher PLEX prices. Help me out, tell me what your thought process was there please. You can look at market prices for up to a year on a graph in game and sure as **** faction mods go down PLEX goes up. Correlation is not causation.
Speculation is not proof, and you can only speculate on a virtual market. No matter how well I articulate my answer someone will tell me that I am wrong because I am speculating. I figured out a long time ago that in Eve simply knowing the end result is good enough, and one should only try to reverse engineer ship losses and deaths.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7782
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:23:00 -
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Daniel Ornulf wrote:I thought high-end pvpers live in nullsec or at least never spend hours doing boring missions so who exactly did CCP create this content for?
People who lke a challenge. Like most of the people in this thread.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1183
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:01:00 -
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Quote:I don't suppose that could be people trying to sell their faction mods a cut rate prices to afford the expensive PLEX?
I'm not saying your wrong, just that you might be a little off on that one.
Nope. Faction stuff went down when scanning became easy and the supply went up but demand stayed the same. It was one of the contributing factors to the rise in PLEX prices.
Basically PLEX is like the gold standard. Its similar to RL because both are limited resources, but dissimilar because gold is much more finite than PLEX.
Pure speculation though :P Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
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Keaden Aemar
4 Marketeers Rura-Penthe
0
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:13:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:I don't suppose that could be people trying to sell their faction mods a cut rate prices to afford the expensive PLEX?
I'm not saying your wrong, just that you might be a little off on that one. Nope. Faction stuff went down when scanning became easy and the supply went up but demand stayed the same. It was one of the contributing factors to the rise in PLEX prices. Basically PLEX is like the gold standard. Its similar to RL because both are limited resources, but dissimilar because gold is much more finite than PLEX. Pure speculation though :P
At the same time, gold is never actually "consumed" |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1185
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:33:00 -
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Keaden Aemar wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:I don't suppose that could be people trying to sell their faction mods a cut rate prices to afford the expensive PLEX?
I'm not saying your wrong, just that you might be a little off on that one. Nope. Faction stuff went down when scanning became easy and the supply went up but demand stayed the same. It was one of the contributing factors to the rise in PLEX prices. Basically PLEX is like the gold standard. Its similar to RL because both are limited resources, but dissimilar because gold is much more finite than PLEX. Pure speculation though :P At the same time, gold is never actually "consumed"
It is when you pay ninja clans 10 lbs of gold to assassinate someone, it is effectively taken off the market permanently.
But back OT, looks like the drops are very rare, and the missions are definitely rare. It seems to be a monotony breaker but not a faucet as of yet. But I dunno how much of a monotony breaker if you don't get many offers.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1139
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:07:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:I don't suppose that could be people trying to sell their faction mods a cut rate prices to afford the expensive PLEX?
I'm not saying your wrong, just that you might be a little off on that one. Nope. Faction stuff went down when scanning became easy and the supply went up but demand stayed the same.
Demand potentially went down as there has been a trend the last year or two to gank mission ships with faction mods even if they are cheap ones and you lose ISK on the gank just becasue faction mods look good on the killmail. As a result a lot of missioners only fit to T2.
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
464
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:09:00 -
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If someone tries to gank you in one of these missions, it's going to be real hard. These missions will not be a sit still at the warp-in and shoot the npc. You do that you deserve to be ganked. By the npc rat. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1185
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:20:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:I don't suppose that could be people trying to sell their faction mods a cut rate prices to afford the expensive PLEX?
I'm not saying your wrong, just that you might be a little off on that one. Nope. Faction stuff went down when scanning became easy and the supply went up but demand stayed the same. Demand potentially went down as there has been a trend the last year or two to gank mission ships with faction mods even if they are cheap ones and you lose ISK on the gank just becasue faction mods look good on the killmail. As a result a lot of missioners only fit to T2.
No. It looks pretty ******* dumb to gank a ship worth less than what you used to gank it. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Apocalypse Solar
Nova Solar Industries Inc.
5
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:06:00 -
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These seem pretty tough if you don't fit correctly even with Assault Frigate to V. The amount of incoming DPS is pretty serious.
These encounter are in no way meant for "newbie" mission runners.
At least it may have the intended/unintended effect of pushing up the price of assault frigates .. :) |
Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Natural 20 Shinjiketo
15
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:53:00 -
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Apocalypse Solar wrote:These seem pretty tough if you don't fit correctly even with Assault Frigate to V. The amount of incoming DPS is pretty serious.
These encounter are in no way meant for "newbie" mission runners.
At least it may have the intended/unintended effect of pushing up the price of assault frigates .. :) I wish these NPC's weren't EWAR immune, thats my biggest complaint |
Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Natural 20 Shinjiketo
15
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:04:00 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Zappity wrote:2. NPC warps out if it isn't pointed. as Fozzieman said: CCP Fozzie wrote: ...These NPCs will not run out of cap, or warp away.Those kinds of improvements are definitely on our medium to long term roadmap... New content is good, but... I done soe epic few weeks ago and this i think will be something familliar. Shooting one rat for 15 min because of it repping. Boring, plus it's great oportuninty for PvPers to shoot you down. "NPC's will not run out of cap or warp away"
How is this an improvement? they're like any other NPC then, they can't be scrammed at all, immune to all ewar! how is it fair? especially the neuting part, you can get neuted but can't neut back? |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4107
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:16:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Burner Missions are 100% optional. There will be no standings penalty for turning down or failing these missions. Your friendly neighborhood security agent knows that not every capsuleer will have the equipment or skills to take on these missions and wonGÇÖt be offended if you decline. LP value reduction however will be mandatory, another example of CCP ******* mission runners in the ass. They wont quit until it takes a 100m sp character 100 hours to grind a PLEX in hisec.
CCP doesn't provide you PLEX, it is your fellow players that put the PLEX on the market.
If it takes a 100m SP character 100 hours to grind a PLEX, it is not because of how CCP rewards you, it is because the value your accruing in game isn't worth a PLEX. |
Melwitax
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:07:00 -
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Well, I just tried my first one of these. I kind of expected to lose, I didn't quite expect to get spanked the way I did. Getting hit for 500+ points of damage is not something I'd normally expect to see coming from frigate sized rail guns, especially when the ship I was in, at worst had a 70% tank against the damage type (unless my agent lied).
I'm of mixed opinion about these missions. I don't begrudge anyone who wants to do them, the opportunity to do so (as if I even could). As a stressed out member of the world-wide rodent race, I kind of enjoy coming home and taking out my frustrations on a few dozen electronic rats. So I would like to see more missions geared to what I want to do (peace and quiet with explosions) as opposed to what someone else thinks I should be doing.
Eve missions tend towards the simplistic... go there, kill that, come back... wash, cycle, rinse. Even these new Burner missions are no exception. They might be quicker, the reward might be higher per capita than other missions but it's still the same go there, kill that, come back. Whatever the future of missions I hope, first and foremost, that the devs look for ways to break out of this formula. I think if they can, the results will be to the advantage of both PvP and PvE players alike.
Anyway, if you choose to do one of these missions I'd advise making sure your ship is insured. It's fairly likely that you're better than me, that you can field just the right set up to take out these ships but if you aren't it's certainly nice to get some money back for your troubles.
As for me, I'll stick with World's Collide until something better comes along.
Good hunting!
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