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DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 310	Posted - 2014.08.17 04:55:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys, I find that I'm pretty accessible to the guys in Gal Mil, as often when I'm on or playing, it's pretty easy for folks to pop into whatever TS channel I'm in, or talk to me about stuff during slow times in fleets. I'm feeling like I don't get to spend much time talking with people in the other 3 militias. I hung out with some Amarr dudes a couple months ago, it was great, and I'd like to do that more often. The summer summit coming up in a few weeks, there will be some discussions about lowsec. I know what's important to me, but I was also elected by you guys, and I'm by no means omnipotent with regards to every issue we face. I'd like to sit down, have a talk with the militias as a whole, and firm up on our priorities. This can be done in a couple of ways: 1: I can see about getting in touch with each militia, and visit with you guys separately on your own TS/Mumble servers. 2: We can organize a sort of LS/FW Town hall and have people from all 4 militias pop on at once and have a pow wow. How would you guys rather do this? CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 4116	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:05:00 - [2] - Quote I'll probably get piled on by the RPers for saying so, but there's really 5 legitimate groups in FW zones. Neutral pirates/pvpers have a lot of interest in what happens in FW too. We bring a lot of good fights to the systems at different times and it may be fair to conclude that many of us (well, many of the few who voted in the CSM elections) had you high on our balliot because of our lowsec interest. So I hope it's ok for us to throw in ideas and issues too. We aren't just a huge pain in the backside to the militias. Sometimes we also have good ideas and suggestions. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 310	Posted - 2014.08.17 12:32:00 - [3] - Quote You guys are definitely part of the equation Scipio, and that means part of the discussion. Whichever way we go, I'll make sure that neutral parties are in. CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon
Moglarr Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 2	Posted - 2014.08.17 14:54:00 - [4] - Quote If it is about plex and FW mechanics, I don't see how the input of neutrals would impact the conversation very much. I do think that the more people involved in the discussion, the better but I wouldn't want to see any conversation get distracted by people who may not understand or care about core FW mechanics. That being said, I think the first option would be best. A town hall is good in theory, but I think it would be too easy for a big discussion to get derailed or topics to be forgotten about if debates break out. I'd also be worried about people not being able to make it. Where as smaller more personal meetings could let people easily discuss topics that concern them without any cheers or jeers. It could help you too because you could see what concerns are common across the militias.
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 311	Posted - 2014.08.17 14:57:00 - [5] - Quote Well, I think this will be about more than just plex mechanics, and in that sense, having smaller more personalized meetings might make sense. CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon
Nameira Vanis-Tor Hoplite Brigade Iron Oxide. 36	Posted - 2014.08.17 16:12:00 - [6] - Quote You could also create an online survey and ask the militia leaders to advertise it to their members? There are a few sites out there that are free to use although I'm not sure if I'm allowed to 'advertise' them here. You could ask for respondents ideas and such like for improving the low-sec experience. It would be interesting to try and define who the low sec pilots you want to represent are? You have pirates and neutrals - anyone from the new player friendly guys in The Scope to the 'Hey look someone's flying a Stabber lets hot drop it with carriers' Shadow Cartel, PL etc. You have each of the 4 militias each of which have their own concerns based on how the meta of the game effects the culture of their militia and warzone. (E.g it is not uncommon to hear Amarr Militia complain about not bring able to run their missions in Stealth Bombers etc) Do you also count the armada of alt characters whose interest is in farming the war zones as your constituents? Because they are guaranteed to have a different agenda than your average RP militia pilot and may well outnumber any other faction!
Samwise Everquest Because ISK 54	Posted - 2014.08.18 04:11:00 - [7] - Quote Make FW more about FACTION warfare and not just a mutual wardec. Just on the top of my head: 1. You cannot dock in stations belonging to the opposing faction (including HighSec.) It makes no sense for an opposing faction to allow you to dock in their stations. I mean you are only at war and contesting their space. I am not just talking about from a roleplaying standpoint but also it's just not something you see in other faction based pvp mmos. I'd list some examples but it would probably just cause flames :) 2. The current system "buffs" for controlling and upgrading the system are lame and seem out of place. Other than working towards the next tier, in my opinion, there is no reason to upgrade a system. I'd like to see some real bonuses that influence PvP. Whether that be slight boosts, stronger NPCs in your plexes, or even something like being able to add Sentry Guns to stations or gates that would help defend against opposing factions would be really cool. It would definitely make FW more immersive and dynamic which it lacks. 3. I don't have a good solution to this problem but the plex farmers and flip floppers keep FW from being a truely competitve and somewhat fair environment. Yes there will always be a winning team but there is little to no incentive to joining the losing side. Again I don't have a good solution but maybe putting some kind of cap on enlistment would work. For example when one side has been Tier 4+ for a long time and outnumbers the competition then enlistment would cease or slow down somehow. I know that sounds terrible and limits the sandbox but I do not see any other way. Although FW is nowhere near as bad as NullSec, I don't think it would take much for that to change where we would have one giant cluster of Plexers at max tier and only a few knuckleheads trying to contest. o/ too tired to make sense
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 763	Posted - 2014.08.18 08:12:00 - [8] - Quote I am important and have a stake in all of this, and have solutions for broken things. Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: You have pirates and neutrals - anyone from the new player friendly guys in The Scope to the 'Hey look someone's flying a Stabber lets hot drop it with carriers' Shadow Cartel stop making stuff up
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 313	Posted - 2014.08.18 15:28:00 - [9] - Quote Ok, so after some thought and feedback, here's what I've come up with. I'll be on vacation the week before the CSM Summit, and should have plenty of time to set things up. I'm thinking of 2 town hall type sessions, one during EU prime, and another one later on for people in North America. If there is a serious demand for it, I would consider running a 3rd session for those in the AU TZ, I'm just not interested if it's gonna be one dude that shows up, he's welcome to Eve mail me instead. Anyone with a vested interest in lowsec is welcome. Topics will be restricted to lowsec/FW concerns as well as parts of Eve that bleed into our space. For example, nullsec sov is not really our concern, while nullsec power projection is. The meetings will be held on a TBD TS server. I will attempt to get some air time on Eve Radio, but if that falls through, we'll broadcast over twitch. I'm tentatively looking at Tuesday the 9th of September 18:00 GMT for the EU session, and Midnight GMT for the North American session. (this is subject to change obviously based on feedback) Thoughts? CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon
Master Sergeant MacRobert Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere 128	Posted - 2014.08.18 16:03:00 - [10] - Quote DJ FunkyBacon wrote: Ok, so after some thought and feedback, here's what I've come up with. I'll be on vacation the week before the CSM Summit, and should have plenty of time to set things up. I'm thinking of 2 town hall type sessions, one during EU prime, and another one later on for people in North America. If there is a serious demand for it, I would consider running a 3rd session for those in the AU TZ, I'm just not interested if it's gonna be one dude that shows up, he's welcome to Eve mail me instead. Anyone with a vested interest in lowsec is welcome. Topics will be restricted to lowsec/FW concerns as well as parts of Eve that bleed into our space. For example, nullsec sov is not really our concern, while nullsec power projection is. The meetings will be held on a TBD TS server. I will attempt to get some air time on Eve Radio, but if that falls through, we'll broadcast over twitch. I'm tentatively looking at Tuesday the 9th of September 18:00 GMT for the EU session, and Midnight GMT for the North American session. (this is subject to change obviously based on feedback) Thoughts? So much to type and so little time. I will aim to send you a mail at some point. One question for now: Do you think that one session for each TZ is sufficient, or would it be suitable to have an initial session on ideas and a reflective 2nd session for each TZ? RL time constraints what they are I anticipate I will not be able to attend but I will aim to join if can. I certainly hope a member of the 24th Foreign Legion does get to attend. BTW: Thanks for offering up your time etc.. "Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 313	Posted - 2014.08.18 16:20:00 - [11] - Quote If it ends up being overwhelming I may extend to an additional session if needed to cover what needs covered, yes. CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 763	Posted - 2014.08.18 16:36:00 - [12] - Quote acceptable. do you like to receive big spergy mails as well?
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 313	Posted - 2014.08.18 16:46:00 - [13] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: acceptable. do you like to receive big spergy mails as well? As long as it's gormet quality sperg, then yes. CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate 454	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:26:00 - [14] - Quote Perhaps some talking points for this meeting? Otherwise it might end up being a grabtastic piece of amphibian-shite.
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 1347	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:06:00 - [15] - Quote Thank you for reaching out to the players! I don't mean to be a naysayer but I really can't stand the "town hall meetings." I think they are a complete waste. I much prefer to give and hear feedback in a forum thread where ideas can be explored a bit more in depth. I think a series of threads that you would follow/contribute to, where people could talk about issues would be much more informative. Not only that but it resolves the scheduling issues. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Baron' Soontir Fel Justified Chaos 238	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:28:00 - [16] - Quote Instead of town hall type meetings, how about you try to gather everybody in this channel to come up with the different topics you'd like to talk about. IE - FW updates/upgrades/missions/plexes, Power projection, POSes, etc. We have a lively discussion here, you gather what information you like and then present it during a TS meeting. So you'll have all the questions and answers thought out beforehand and then you'll just tell us what you like/ don't like/ what you think will be too much work/ to little work... etc. Then we could have a smaller open ended questions, but not a giant clusterfuck that I think one major town hall would be. Does that make sense?
Aves Enderas Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders 2	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:31:00 - [17] - Quote Cearain wrote: Thank you for reaching out to the players! I don't mean to be a naysayer but I really can't stand the "town hall meetings." I think they are a complete waste. I much prefer to give and hear feedback in a forum thread where ideas can be explored a bit more in depth. I think a series of threads that you would follow/contribute to, where people could talk about issues would be much more informative. Not only that but it resolves the scheduling issues. +1 QCATS is recruiting http://www.repeat0ffenders.com/content.jsf;jsessionid=iwPhJXI31titATjMHUQgIIB-.undefined?contentId=qcats_recruitment
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 314	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:41:00 - [18] - Quote Cearain wrote: Thank you for reaching out to the players! I don't mean to be a naysayer but I really can't stand the "town hall meetings." I think they are a complete waste. I much prefer to give and hear feedback in a forum thread where ideas can be explored a bit more in depth. I think a series of threads that you would follow/contribute to, where people could talk about issues would be much more informative. Not only that but it resolves the scheduling issues. You're more than welcome to post anything that concerns you about lowsec here as well if this is your preference. I'm certainly reading this thread. I know that for some people, they prefer to talk things out, and I can certainly say and hear a lot more words in an hour than can be typed and read. If you don't like the "town hall" format, that doesn't mean you don't get a say if you don't show up. CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon
Tweek Etimua The Paragons 67	Posted - 2014.08.19 00:58:00 - [19] - Quote DJ FunkyBacon wrote: Hey guys, I find that I'm pretty accessible to the guys in Gal Mil, as often when I'm on or playing, it's pretty easy for folks to pop into whatever TS channel I'm in, or talk to me about stuff during slow times in fleets. I'm feeling like I don't get to spend much time talking with people in the other 3 militias. I hung out with some Amarr dudes a couple months ago, it was great, and I'd like to do that more often. The summer summit coming up in a few weeks, there will be some discussions about lowsec. I know what's important to me, but I was also elected by you guys, and I'm by no means omnipotent with regards to every issue we face. I'd like to sit down, have a talk with the militias as a whole, and firm up on our priorities. This can be done in a couple of ways: 1: I can see about getting in touch with each militia, and visit with you guys separately on your own TS/Mumble servers. 2: We can organize a sort of LS/FW Town hall and have people from all 4 militias pop on at once and have a pow wow. How would you guys rather do this? I've never been to an eve townhall. My first concern is maintaning order. That's only cause I dont know any thing about it. So option 2 is possibly possible. As far as option 1 there are a few solo pilots in FW, just forming corps (like my own) and a few other types that get covered up by the bigger groups. What would help me is know what your current proposals are for faction warfare. Currently as a player trying to start a corp on the Gallente side, Faction warfare just is slow
Phox Jorkarzul Deep Void Merc Syndicate 103	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:35:00 - [20] - Quote Let me know when this is happening Bacon, cause i have some issues that need to be addressed. 1) Mission need to be reworked.\ 2) Corps and alliances need a way to make ISK bottom to top 3) FW ranks and system Ranks need to have meaningful boost. Blasters for life https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project 325	Posted - 2014.08.19 08:41:00 - [21] - Quote I am a resident of non-FW lowsec. There's a lot of us. I find it disheartening that with all the talk about improving lowsec going around, it all seems to be centered around FW. There are A LOT of issues with lowsec that we all suffre under, as well as some problems that only affect FW, and some that only affect the rest of us. I'd be very happy to see more recognition of "the rest of us." Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 4468	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:42:00 - [22] - Quote Ssabat Thraxx wrote: I'd be very happy to see more recognition of "the rest of us." The better FW is, the more targets for us. That's good in my book. So I have no problem with a focus on FW mechanics (and even though I'm a neutral, I also have ideas about those as I do understand them), but I also agree, there are other lowsec aspects that I also have ideas about that are not directly related to FW mechanics. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 1347	Posted - 2014.08.19 15:58:00 - [23] - Quote DJ FunkyBacon wrote: ...You're more than welcome to post anything that concerns you about lowsec here as well if this is your preference. I'm certainly reading this thread..... Thanks again for reaching out to the community and being accommodating to boot. 1) Plex Timer rollbacks Emphasize that this is the change that faction war players want more than any other. CCP Fozzie said on October 22nd 2012: CCP Fozzie wrote: The Rest of the Plan There are some other changes to the rest of our original roadmap that we are making after consultation with the community: ... We will be attempting to release two new features to the FW complexes that have been suggested many times by the FW community to increase PVP opportunities in complexes: Have plex capture timers count backwards to the default state when no players are contesting them . (emphasis added) http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73491 As you can see from Bienator II's post here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4572539#post4572539 This idea is still very strongly supported and I would say even the most strongly supported idea concerning faction war. Buried on page six it still gets more space likes than ccp's original post. Fozzie did respond and said: CCP Fozzie wrote: Our position on timer rollbacks has not changed. We'd like to do them at some point, but they will not be coming in Kronos. As a csm I would continue to emphasize that you want the "some point" to be sooner rather than later. I would love to hear what exactly the hold up is. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 767	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:02:00 - [24] - Quote it's important that the plex timers tick down faster than they tick up
Master Sergeant MacRobert Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere 128	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:33:00 - [25] - Quote I agree that timer rollbacks need to be added. However, I think that they will be considered a "catalyst for warzone stagnation" and so they probably want to implement something that enhances warzone movement before or at the same time. Right now I think the penalties / bonus's given for Tiers 1, 3, 4 and 5 are too wide. There should be the means to "contract to Militia". (massive aid for supply/resupply to open Militia fleets, fitted ships in particular) The most desirable LP store items are not spread equally over the 4 factions. The spawn rates on NPC's in plex's should be capped (to 5 max) with a longer window for respawn rate. NPC spawns in FW plex's should aggress all parties other than the defending faction. The suspect flag for aggression within a FW plex should be removed, for all parties. Warzone, neutral zone, "no mans land". Describe it how you want. It is a poor mechanic for defending your already War Dec'd role and is a PvP suppressant. Then when there is time... Ranks should be reworked so they can be achieved by either LP accumulated or FW kill scores. Rewards PvP kills in a different way to LP for all participants on the km - could be tied in with both the Rank system, the LP store, the system level bonus system and more. LP store should be cleaned up and rebalanced so that modules are a more common and worthwhile choice. Faction Tech II ammo in LP stores (charges were done, now do other consumables). Give the crystals high burn out rates and make the Faction Tech II ammo for other types larger (less per reload). Set the system level upgrades as destroyable modules built onto the ihub (same as null-sec station services). Levels are then downgraded by combat at the I-hub or by system flip only. Introduce a rare faction ship reward, obtainable from the LP store only with the medal for full Warzone control and whilst holding the highest rank. Introduce a new highest level rank that is obtainable only by FW kills not LP accumulation. Elite rank should be an extremely accomplished combat position. Mmm... so a few to start with. "Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
Nameira Vanis-Tor Hoplite Brigade Iron Oxide. 38	Posted - 2014.08.19 17:03:00 - [26] - Quote My quick 2 cents: 1) Add direct gates between the 2 warzones, this will generate content in the form if multi warzone roams/sieges - this could also in effect create low sec trade hubs if the gated systems have stations. 2) Give more meaningful system bonuses for high tier occupancy - e.g. A tier 5 system may act as a cyno jammer - would place a lot of emphasis on where you choose to live in the warzones. 3) Give meaningful bonuses to FW rank - such as tax breaks when selling in your factions stations, having low sec status ignored in your factions high sec, providing bonuses when flying your factions hulls etc etc
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 1347	Posted - 2014.08.19 17:16:00 - [27] - Quote Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote: I agree that timer rollbacks need to be added. However, I think that they will be considered a "catalyst for warzone stagnation" and so they probably want to implement something that enhances warzone movement before or at the same time. Right now I think the penalties / bonus's given for Tiers 1, 3, 4 and 5 are too wide. There should be the means to "contract to Militia". (massive aid for supply/resupply to open Militia fleets, fitted ships in particular) The most desirable LP store items are not spread equally over the 4 factions. The spawn rates on NPC's in plex's should be capped (to 5 max) with a longer window for respawn rate. NPC spawns in FW plex's should aggress all parties other than the defending faction. The suspect flag for aggression within a FW plex should be removed, for all parties. Warzone, neutral zone, "no mans land". Describe it how you want. It is a poor mechanic for defending your already War Dec'd role and is a PvP suppressant. If you think not having lots of plexes run in stabbed alts is stagnation then yes timer rollbacks will bring stagnation. But in terms of people really caring about tiers and warzone control as a whole (other than the occasional home system attack for lulz) it's already stagnant. Taht ship sailed on October 22 2012. If you are afraid there will be little plexing due to plex timer rollbacks then ccp should just dramatically slash the lp pay from level 4 fw missions. Problem solved. LP will increase in value and go to people who are willing to risk it in pvp related plexing. As for the rest in the above quote it is pretty much the sort of changes that really wont effect anything. I'm not saying they are bad ideas. The last idea is really pretty good but its not going to change much. FW whill still be factionwhorefare. Yes I think there are other things that should happen as well. (see my signature) But they are not as well supported as plex timer rollbacks. For too long CCP has been tweaking small irrelevant things that players really don't care much about. I think we would give ccp as clear a message as possible to get the plex timer rollbacks implemented. (I would like it if they slashed level 4 mission pay as well but the rollbacks are more important imo) At that point we can see what else needs to be done. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Moglarr Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 3	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:25:00 - [28] - Quote Little things I would like to see are along the lines of neutrals who enter FW plex get flagged as suspect. I also think shooting friendly militia should flag you as suspect, and the magic MWD on plex rats that can make them go faster than anything on grid is annoying. As far as farmers go, they will always be there. It doesn't matter if it is an unfit unskilled alt or a geared up pirate frigate. If they don't want to fight you they won't. You can't force them to stay and try to hold the plex if they don't want to. Accepting that is a key thing in FW and I think will save you from going (too) crazy.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 2453	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:04:00 - [29] - Quote Farmers under control with latest changes to plex rats. Timer rollbacks not needed at this point in time. Otherwise, FW has generated more content for more entities than any other part of the game this summer. If anything, CCP should investigate ways to make NPC 0.0 and/or non-FW low sec systems more attractive.
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 1347	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:25:00 - [30] - Quote Moglarr wrote: As far as farmers go, they will always be there. ... Its not so much "farmers" as people who "rabbit plex." That is they sit in a plex and as soon as another player comes in they run a system or 2 over and plex. Sometimes they do this for lp/isk other times just for occupancy. It was a problem before we had lp and giving lp for plexing did not help the situation. Will rabbit plexers always be there? Well unless ccp does something like timer rollbacks they will sure. X Gallentius wrote: Farmers under control with latest changes to plex rats. Timer rollbacks not needed at this point in time. If you are fine with the war being won by alts in empty frigates d-plexing systems and running from every fight, then nothing needs to be done. That's true. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

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