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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3684
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:52:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:If any wormholers have any question regarding fits/times please direct them to our main incursion FC: Winthorp I love the irony of having 1 of the 2 people who support the WH changes as the FC for the 'protest fleet'. a great touch. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |

Cosmic Scanner
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
89
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:58:00 -
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The general opposition to this change isn't about protecting farmers, isk income, isolating ourselves or being "safe". Anyone who says that lacks understanding or experience in wh space.
Yes it allows farmers to isolate themselves, HOWEVER it is also the same mechanic, and the ONLY mechanic aside from log-off traps that gets them ganked and killed for the most part. Removing the API sleeper kills means log-off traps are extremely difficult to do as its very hard to predict when a farming entity will do sites without 24/7 scout watching every moment of every day. Not arguing with the API change, just stating a fact.
Large and Small groups alike use this mechanic to hunt and find targets, like the "isolated" farmers, be it through general roll / scan / roll / scan or dedicated rage rolling, where a wh static is rolled every few minutes or so with the goal of seeking fights or catching site runners off guard. Increased capital spawning distance makes rage rolling take significantly longer and more painful to do.
I really feel for the smaller pvp entities, as literally the WORST thing in day to day wh space, is to have a really **** chain and being able to do nothing viable about it. By viable i mean not suicide welping a cap every time you want to roll your static, or having to spend 1 hour rolling a wh with a small amount of Battleships.
Changing this mechanic will very likely result in less pew and less site ganks across w-space. On the other hand it just means we'll have more time to spend poking in null for ratting carriers. Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga |

epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1070
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:58:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Keith Planck wrote:If any wormholers have any question regarding fits/times please direct them to our main incursion FC: Winthorp I love the irony of having 1 of the 2 people who support the WH changes as the FC for the 'protest fleet'. a great touch.
Well CCP clearly doesn't decide their changes by popular opinion, so they are probably in a good position being the only two. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
382
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:25:00 -
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Bronya Boga wrote:Rain6637 wrote:npc buy orders, mostly I suggest as a reward for bounties on rats we revert the warp to 0 on stargates change or maybe when you jump gate spawn inside the gate... risk for your reward :)
Or how about when you jump a gate, you land outside of jump range, forcing people to slowboat back if they want to flee? I am not an alt of Chribba. |

Ahost Gceo
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
169
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:29:00 -
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Its the difficulty of rolling holes being raised that ticks me off. I'm all for making rolling dangerous and w-space more dangerous in general, but this will do nothing to achieve that. People just won't roll with capitals, and where rage rolling for pew was once a fantastic way of dunking some site runners, it will take 4x as long to roll each hole.
This change is a step backwards, and its a damn shame CCP won't listen, or explain why they think this is a good idea. I'm a friggin' banana. |

Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
342
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:29:00 -
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Why not make stargates work on the same fashion? I mean, they are supposedly gravity operated, thus the mass of a ship should impact the origin distance from the gate. Why not do it to cynos and bridges as well? Oh, because that will **** up nullsec for sure. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |

Muilenburg
Hard Knocks Inc.
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:49:00 -
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Official Diplomat wrote:Vote Official Diplomat for CSM 2015 and I will promise to make WH fun for all parties involved.
I love fun! Especially when I can make it official! |

Official Diplomat
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:49:00 -
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If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following: Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit |

The Loot Fairy
Core Fire Industries Forkoff
0
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:52:00 -
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Official Diplomat wrote:If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following: Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit
I endorse this man! For good loot in your future endeavours, vote Official Diplomat CSM 2015! |

Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
343
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:53:00 -
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Official Diplomat wrote:If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following: Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit make the bpc droppable only from sleeper talochans. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
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Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
128
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:59:00 -
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Official Diplomat wrote:If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following: Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit
I support this product and/or service. Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
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Official Diplomat
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:59:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Official Diplomat wrote:If voted to CSM in 2015 I will have CCP do the following: Step 1: Adjust the mass of the range you spawn from holes while in a capital 100km from hole Step 2: Add in a Capital Micro Jump Drive that you can use to get back on the hole Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit make the bpc droppable only from sleeper talochans. Do you mean.... GHOST SITES?! Make them relevant again |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
382
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Posted - 2014.08.19 02:01:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Why not make stargates work on the same fashion? I mean, they are supposedly gravity operated, thus the mass of a ship should impact the origin distance from the gate. Why not do it to cynos and bridges as well? Oh, because that will **** up nullsec for sure.
Hell, let's really screw this up and just put ERRYONE like 15 km away from stargates! I am not an alt of Chribba. |

Paikis
Vapour Holdings
1359
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Posted - 2014.08.19 02:16:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Hell, let's really screw this up and just put ERRYONE like 15 km away from stargates!
OR, we could really screw things up and have your spawn distance from gates and cynos based on mass too!
Of course this would inconvenience the nullsec overlords and so it wont happen, but hey, if the stated intention of the mass changes is to shake things up, then by that same logic, this change should go in also. |

Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
472
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Posted - 2014.08.19 02:29:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Hell, let's really screw this up and just put ERRYONE like 15 km away from stargates! OR, we could really screw things up and have your spawn distance from gates and cynos based on mass too! Of course this would inconvenience the nullsec overlords and so it wont happen, but hey, if the stated intention of the mass changes is to shake things up, then by that same logic, this change should go in also.
Welcome to 100 trolls ago. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |

Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
129
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Posted - 2014.08.19 02:34:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Paikis wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Hell, let's really screw this up and just put ERRYONE like 15 km away from stargates! OR, we could really screw things up and have your spawn distance from gates and cynos based on mass too! Of course this would inconvenience the nullsec overlords and so it wont happen, but hey, if the stated intention of the mass changes is to shake things up, then by that same logic, this change should go in also. Welcome to 100 trolls ago.
what happened to the other 600? Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
1359
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Posted - 2014.08.19 02:34:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Paikis wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Hell, let's really screw this up and just put ERRYONE like 15 km away from stargates! OR, we could really screw things up and have your spawn distance from gates and cynos based on mass too! Of course this would inconvenience the nullsec overlords and so it wont happen, but hey, if the stated intention of the mass changes is to shake things up, then by that same logic, this change should go in also. Welcome to 100 trolls ago.
Trolls? I'm super serial!
No really, I think this change would shake things up, and give CCP another opportunity to show their stoicism in the face of near total, universal discontent with their proposed changes! |

Rain6637
Team Evil
15707
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:07:00 -
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yeah i'm not buying it. if the discontent is a joke you should let the CSMs know (so they can devote all their effort to the real issues, like the somer thing). President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2101
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:35:00 -
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Can join protest for free loot? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Official Diplomat
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:55:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Can join protest for free loot? No we will be shooting all of the wrecks |
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ChrisLCTR
Lazerhawks
146
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:18:00 -
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#Content Keep the laughter in Slaughter |

Belinda HwaFang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
16
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:19:00 -
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Toys are being thrown out of the pram.
No one can stop you fielding fleets to kill off Kundalinis in highsec, but I don't see why that would cause CCP to give you "what you want".
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Winthorp
2610
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:30:00 -
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I really do hope you end up doing this because what a waste of your time it will be indeed.
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
225
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:05:00 -
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CivilWars wrote:I demand that when I jump a gate in k space that I be in range to jump back, and not ~12km from the gate. This is an outrage that I am unable to immediately run away from any danger that may await me on the other side. #ccplease
A recent transit through this stargate has polarized your secondary coils. making it unsafe to re-enter right now. The polarity charge should dissipate within 4 minutes a 9 seconds. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Ettig Grunar
Grumpy Bastards No Response
5
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:15:00 -
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Jassmin Joy wrote: Get used to it because i really hope it sticks.

Varesk wrote:wow, this thread. sorta funny but yet sad. its funny to think that wormhole people can actually kill an incursion and sad that they just want to be able to close hostile holes quicker so they can make tons of ISK in peace.
 
nullies talking about wh-life ... wuz next ?  
  
i am getting tired of reading so many assumptions. lets wait for the patch. all goods arguements can be found in that main thread
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Ahost Gceo
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
170
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:33:00 -
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As sad as it is to say, I'd just as soon leave w-space if they continue to make crappy changes to it despite what the playerbase says. That's a true boycott. I'm a friggin' banana. |

Smarty MacGyver
Amarr Technologies. Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
7
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:58:00 -
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26th of August Hyperion Patchnotes right at the end:
- Strategic cruisers are now unable to enter any Incursion related sites (The Fozzie sends his regards) |

Katerin Archer
Total. Fractal Multiversity
4
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Posted - 2014.08.19 08:12:00 -
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Count me in. The crap they put on us must be countered. |

Keith Planck
Lazerhawks
886
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Posted - 2014.08.19 08:19:00 -
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sleep tight my little threadnaught <3 "Jack Miton liked your forum post:" |

Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
26
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Posted - 2014.08.19 08:26:00 -
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this thread is awesome. I am strongly against the changes and up to reaping incursioners tear's. but never thin k for a second this will work to get CCP to change their mind. They are more likely to turn it into some advertising means.
Seriously this is a waste of time CCP are doing it no matter what and you cant stop them So Much Sapce |
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