Since the balancing pass to most of the sub caps, i don't see how T3 ships can be considered overpowered anymore.

Since the balancing pass to most of the sub caps, i don't see how T3 ships can be considered overpowered anymore.

T3 is kinda the jack of all trades. Just the problem with a jack of all trades is that whatever the T3 can do.. something can do better!

The question is.. how's that T3 rolling up on you fit out? (unless you've just memorized the looks of every single subsystem)

CCP have stated that they will land between T1 and T2 cruisers. Expect many nerfs but also a few buffs but mostly massive nerfs.

T3 is kinda the jack of all trades. Just the problem with a jack of all trades is that whatever the T3 can do.. something can do better!

The question is.. how's that T3 rolling up on you fit out? (unless you've just memorized the looks of every single subsystem)

All nerfing them will do, is take away more value from living in womrhole space, since the only thing worth looting at that point will be blue-loot for NPC buy orders.

Well if you compare a Tengu to an Eagle or a Cerberus, there is little point in using the laters.

I suppose the same applies with every other race, except maybe the Protheus/Ishtar.

T3's are only going to be nerfed in a few minor respects, and even then it's going to be a few select subsystems getting the axe that unbalance the rest of the ship.

Remember, T3's were created to be effective and versatile in WH space primarily. That doesn't mean that they have carte blanche to be unbalanced anywhere else, and that's the issue being addressed, but it does mean that they will never drop below the point of being effective in WH's. Corps in C5's and C6's rely heavily on their T3 sub-cap support to control both PvP and PvE engagements, wringing out every last drop of efficacy these ships have. Ruin that and there will be a lot of problems.

As mentioned by CCP during the last fanfest, the goal isn't to nerf t3's into the ground, it's to bring the unbalanced subsystems into check and to buff the subsystems that aren't being used so that T3's can enjoy the full versatility they were designed for.

I expect T3's to get an actual true to heart rebalance in every sense of the word, with no real drop in desirability or function, just a squashing of the outlying abuses of particular combinations of effects. Talk has also been floating around about removable rigs so that people don't have to stockpile hulls, defeating one of t he primary purposes of versatility.

Call me an optimist, but I think in the end T3's are going to experience an overall buff.

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Except CCP also said they want them to be weaker in ANY regard to a T2. but able to fulfill multiple roles.

I definitely think there is a problem with T3s being OP relative to T1 and Pirate Battleships. For example you don't see many Maelstroms in null or WH space, even though they are nominally more expensive than a T3. I don't know if the answer is to nerf the T3s or buff some of the battleships, but I would think that CCP would like to see more of a balance.

I definitely think there is a problem with T3s being OP relative to T1 and Pirate Battleships. For example you don't see many Maelstroms in null or WH space, even though they are nominally more expensive than a T3. I don't know if the answer is to nerf the T3s or buff some of the battleships, but I would think that CCP would like to see more of a balance.

I definitely think there is a problem with T3s being OP relative to T1 and Pirate Battleships. For example you don't see many Maelstroms in null or WH space, even though they are nominally more expensive than a T3.

Who, when and where? The talk from fanfest and Down the pipe is easily found and recorded for all to see. I haven't seen anything about bringing them down below T2's, which is just a silly concept and defies all reasonable practices from a balance standpoint.

Seriously, outside of the Ishtar why would you fly any hac over a tengu? And then we have the daftness that is fitting both a cov ops cloak and a nullifier at the same time.

Turning T3s into something comparable to current T2 stats though would be a complete joke as things stand - go one way and you water them down so far you lose a lot of character from the game which is the last thing it needs, go the other way and you end up with something that has such high cost and penalties for what it is no one wants to fly them.

what does that even mean?

and penalties can be removed, costs are relative.

Maybe not quite the best way of putting it but - for instance there is a lot more interest in killing a shiny tengu say than a drake, water t3s down too much and that is largely reduced or goes away leaving less interesting things in the game.