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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:00:00 -
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Could I see some battle reports please?
It seems like something ******* monumental went down.
Cheers. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
373
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:20:00 -
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Carlatto wrote: I have the fall of Ladister and the celebration that followed recorded :) Well get that **** on youtube, or soundcloud, whichever. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1236
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:39:00 -
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So I think I have caught up on everything happening in eve during my absence.
Calmil ----->
Galmil ----->
Nullsec ----->
Me ----->
CCP & SomerBlink ----->
Is this about right?
Docked since 2009. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1352
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Posted - 2014.08.27 14:08:00 -
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Thanks for posting your thoughts. I think its important that csm members communicate with the players what they are thinking even they may get some negative feedback.
As far as the need to correct the balance in the game I don't think you need to jump to conclusions. Its pretty imbalanced but also there is very little interest in the game anyway. So you just get a few players with an interest and they can sweep the warzone. I would say hold off on any changes regarding balance until after ccp addresses rabbit plexing. Bottom line ccp has been adjusting tiers and lp for years and the game has not gotten any better. Don't fill their work ques with things that aren't really going to make a difference.
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
I don't think the pendulum should swing on the nuts of AFK plex farmers, but at the same time, there has to be some value to a player willing to fight for a side on a down swing.
You seem to assume rabbit plexing favors the losing side. It doesn't. It simply favors those who want to avoid pvp. Gallente have put rabbit plexing to the best use ever. That is a huge reason gallente won.
DJ FunkyBacon wrote: A good part of this Gallente Victory is the also Caldari's inability to work together between corps and alliances. I was there in the meeting when the plan was laid out on which system would get hit in what order, the Gallente FCs and CEOs having full knowledge that none of the groups would move in to help one another hold their space, and would patiently wait their turn for the whole of the Gallente militia to come to them.
FYI Its comments like this that will turn off the other militia.
When you talk about caldari militia who do you mean exactly? Do you mean the 5,299 characters reported in the caldari militia? The overwhelming majority of those players are alts and have no interest in any sort of pvp defense. The same is true of the 6,145 gallente characters and all the other militias. The game strongly favors alts so that is what our ranks are full of.
Gallente knew they could out blob caldari - everyone knew it. No matter how good of an organizer you are you won't be able to beat 40 ishtar pilots with 10 pilots in condors. That was the first half of the equation. The second half had to do with the number of alts gallente can generate to rabbit dplex.
DJ FunkyBacon wrote: In a sense, I'm a bit sad at this victory. I saw flashes of brilliance from the Caldari side during the Okkamon campaign, with large Caldari fleets and several groups working together. There was one night in particular where you guys really brought it, and there were a lot of frustrated words on Gal Mil comms. Had you guys been able to keep it up, the Gallente might never have taken that system, but you didn't, and they did.
I also think there's a marked difference of attitude between the two sides.....
We had to start over from scratch, and what happened was that the following day, ....
That's the real difference I see between the militias. When the Gallente get a bad turn, they seem to rally together tighter than before, and try harder.....
The Caldari could learn something from that, but it won't be easy.....
In closing, while I will happily look at ways to incentivise a losing side to keep fighting (and take suggestions) to bring these ideas to CCP's attention, I also think the Caldari have some work to do on their own house. Any changes that could be made that would affect all sides equally at this point still won't save you guys from yourselves, and your inability/unwillingness to work together
This is pretty sickening to read. What? One night caldari caused some frustration for the gallente? Oh my! Please there was no question Gallente could steamroll the caldari. Even most of the Gallente veterans knew that. They even sat it out because they didn't think it would be good for the game. Had there actually been some doubt these reserves might have joined in because it would have been fun. Gallente basically won the fight using only one hand.
Everyone in Gallente has been singing this song about how they fight outnumbered. But they don't fight outnumbered more than any other militia. Please give it a rest.
Caldari did not lose because they don't have the mental toughness of gallente. They lost because they could not stand up to the gallente blob. No matter what attitude they had -no matter how organized they were they weren't going to win. Take 40 pilots with ****** attitudes in fleet in ishtars versus 10 pilots with great attitudes in condors. You know the result? 10 dead condors.
The biggest problem I see is just how small the blobs were. In a game where there are over 300,000 accounts these battles for the entire gallente caldari front would often have less than 200 pilots from each side! If there is any take away it is that the occupancy war is so bad that very few people care about it. Its not the players fault that answering who can create the most rabbit plexing alts and or form junior varsity blobs is not worth their time.
Learn something from all the pvpers who are leaving faction war, if not eve entirely. Don't think you learned something about gallentes mental toughness versus caldari mental toughness. Most normal mentally adjusted people do not want to play a game where they make several alt accounts that they stare at on multiple monitors so they can run anytime someone comes to fight. The huge influence that type of play has on the occupancy war must go! Until it goes the occupancy war will never be worth fighting. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1087
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:04:00 -
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Most people in eve has multiple accounts. I personally will not take any pointers on what is normal from you cearain lol.
You spend most of your game time posting misrepresented stats on the forum in regards to an aspect of the game you claim is mostly alts and people who dont care about it as though you are the only person with riteous motives, coming from someone who preferred the times where we would have to bash 60 systems in 3 days to push for a tier 5 cash out. System bashes that you never participated in. That is a very interesting type of normal you have there.
If at any point you decide to listen to the people playing the game rather than perpetually throwing out your preconceptions, bias and bitterness it would be a welcome shock.
This campaign generated somewhere in the region of at least 100bn isk in wrecks over 13 days and introduced lots of new players to low sec
All the problems you think exist could only be fixed by breaking what has become one of the best places in eve. The thing you dont understand is that its the players who would need to change to fix what you see as problems...
TBH amarr/matar wz is more broken than ours due to egglehende, the same problem doesnt happen in gal space due to lack of centrally located neutral systems. CCP really need to fix egglehende to give conflict drivers a chance to work over there.
The other problem in both warzones, is the abundance of powerful neutral entities who just linger to take easy fights against less equipped militia fleets. the lack of BC/BS fleets of old has nothing to do with FW mechanics, its simply not sensible to undock BC's and end up blobbed by commandships, or BS and end up blobbed by proteus, blap dreads or other hard counter. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
752
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:40:00 -
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http://baby-recipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/downs+baby.jpg nom nom
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
373
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:14:00 -
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Cearain, I never understood the other guys in galmil that hated your posts. I never found them that bad. But then maybe I didn't read all of them.
However,I have been reading all of your posts of late (in the threads about Calmil's loss of the warzone). They have been incredibly full of outright misconstrued "facts", terrible analysis of what true fact does get past your ****** filter, and flawed suggestions for fixing what problems do exist in fw upon which we can all agree. I now have to apologize to Crosi, XG, Yuri, everyone with whom I said things on comms like "oh you guys are reacting too extremely to his (your) posts." Your posts are truly bad.
I'm not going to engage in a tiring point by point exchange with you. It would be useless I can see. You must be commended for your endurance to post so prolifically.
If you want to post stuff about Huola, go ahead. Apparently you were there (although for how long appears to be debatable). However, concerning the Galmil conquest of the warzone, I will just say:
YOU WEREN'T THERE MAN. You really don't know what happened in the Cal/Gal warzone over the last few weeks. So please stop talking as if you were there. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1088
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:17:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:http://baby-recipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/downs+baby.jpg
Hey nexx, good job you have a good killboard otherwise certain sycophants might mistake you for an a-hole! |
Mira deVorsha
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
17
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:28:00 -
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Well Done,
You deserve it,
Cant believe i am saying this, Well Done Perunga. The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology [GHIOT] CEO Top Killing Caldari FW Corporation.-á |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
373
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:32:00 -
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DJ FunkyBacon wrote:Congratulations are in order for the Gallente Militia. This is the second time I've seen the warzone get swept like this. Last time worked much the same, except without the Caldari throwing in the towel. As I recall, Gal Mil only held the whole zone for a day last time as Ev0ke landed up in the northwest and began their march to Eha where they were eventually stopped.
That said, this is looking like the beginning of a long painful drought for the Caldari Militia. Some people have brought up to me, and I would agree, that the current system is a bit too punishing for the side getting the screws put to it. It's something I'll bring up with CCP, though I'm not 100% on a solution yet. What is clear is that there is no incentive to join a side losing as bad as the Caldari are right now. That is bad for player retention on their end, and also for bringing in fresh blood. Only a true Caldari loyalist (Read: RPer), gluttons for punishment, and those too stubborn to back down would see much value in joining or staying with Cal Mil at this point. That is unhealthy not only for the Caldari's ability to remain competitive, but also for the Gallente that rely on decent Caldari numbers for content.
I don't think the pendulum should swing on the nuts of AFK plex farmers, but at the same time, there has to be some value to a player willing to fight for a side on a down swing.
A good part of this Gallente Victory is the also Caldari's inability to work together between corps and alliances. I was there in the meeting when the plan was laid out on which system would get hit in what order, the Gallente FCs and CEOs having full knowledge that none of the groups would move in to help one another hold their space, and would patiently wait their turn for the whole of the Gallente militia to come to them.
In a sense, I'm a bit sad at this victory. I saw flashes of brilliance from the Caldari side during the Okkamon campaign, with large Caldari fleets and several groups working together. There was one night in particular where you guys really brought it, and there were a lot of frustrated words on Gal Mil comms. Had you guys been able to keep it up, the Gallente might never have taken that system, but you didn't, and they did.
I also think there's a marked difference of attitude between the two sides. I remember a few months ago spending 12 hours attacking Enaluri and finally getting it to 28% that first day after losing hundreds of ships. I wanted to put a fist through my monitor that night when the node crashed from something that was happening several systems away, and we logged back in to find the system back down to 0%. We petitioned it of course, but the response was that the tools didn't exist to fix the percentage bar back to where it had been.
We had to start over from scratch, and what happened was that the following day, Gallente numbers swelled as people who had not participated in the offensive at that point, and hadn't really cared, rallied around the FCs and people who'd wasted their time and ISK the previous day, because "**** that ****".
That's the real difference I see between the militias. When the Gallente get a bad turn, they seem to rally together tighter than before, and try harder. If someone's home system comes under attack it's basically a guarantee that almost every major corp and alliance will be there to help in the defense. Help is asked for, and it's given without a second thought because each of us knows that those guys will be there for us when it's our turn to get **** on.
The Caldari could learn something from that, but it won't be easy. The Gallente core groups have the advantage that comes with flying together for years at this point, while the Caldari have gone through a lot of turnover in that time. If you were to look at the Gallente corps and alliances that bashed the final iHub in January of 2013, a lot of the same flags were flying in August of 2014. On the Caldari side, I don't think more than Templis and the Russians around OMS still remain from the 2013 Campaign.
In closing, while I will happily look at ways to incentivise a losing side to keep fighting (and take suggestions) to bring these ideas to CCP's attention, I also think the Caldari have some work to do on their own house. Any changes that could be made that would affect all sides equally at this point still won't save you guys from yourselves, and your inability/unwillingness to work together Ok, why do you to have to go and be so magnanimous as to explicitly point out what calmil did wrong? It's not rocket science. But, I chose not to state it so blatantly. Give them a chance to realize it on their own, ffs.
Concerning how to fix the current fw mechanics, please read my posts for some suggestions as to how CCP can build in support for a militia on the down side. The current feedback loop for farmers to support the winning side (even though that is not the major reason for victory as Cearain seems to think) making it easier for sweeps to occur has got to be changed. LP should not be uniform across the warzone. Dplex lp should be much less in occupied systems, for one thing.
Anyway, here's hoping you and the CSM can help CCP keep making fw better. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2484
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:40:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Its pretty imbalanced but also there is very little interest in the game anyway. So you just get a few players with an interest and they can sweep the warzone. tl;dr "We didn't want the warzone anyways."
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Mira deVorsha
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
17
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:44:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:DJ FunkyBacon wrote:Congratulations are in order for the Gallente Militia. This is the second time I've seen the warzone get swept like this. Last time worked much the same, except without the Caldari throwing in the towel. As I recall, Gal Mil only held the whole zone for a day last time as Ev0ke landed up in the northwest and began their march to Eha where they were eventually stopped.
That said, this is looking like the beginning of a long painful drought for the Caldari Militia. Some people have brought up to me, and I would agree, that the current system is a bit too punishing for the side getting the screws put to it. It's something I'll bring up with CCP, though I'm not 100% on a solution yet. What is clear is that there is no incentive to join a side losing as bad as the Caldari are right now. That is bad for player retention on their end, and also for bringing in fresh blood. Only a true Caldari loyalist (Read: RPer), gluttons for punishment, and those too stubborn to back down would see much value in joining or staying with Cal Mil at this point. That is unhealthy not only for the Caldari's ability to remain competitive, but also for the Gallente that rely on decent Caldari numbers for content.
I don't think the pendulum should swing on the nuts of AFK plex farmers, but at the same time, there has to be some value to a player willing to fight for a side on a down swing.
A good part of this Gallente Victory is the also Caldari's inability to work together between corps and alliances. I was there in the meeting when the plan was laid out on which system would get hit in what order, the Gallente FCs and CEOs having full knowledge that none of the groups would move in to help one another hold their space, and would patiently wait their turn for the whole of the Gallente militia to come to them.
In a sense, I'm a bit sad at this victory. I saw flashes of brilliance from the Caldari side during the Okkamon campaign, with large Caldari fleets and several groups working together. There was one night in particular where you guys really brought it, and there were a lot of frustrated words on Gal Mil comms. Had you guys been able to keep it up, the Gallente might never have taken that system, but you didn't, and they did.
I also think there's a marked difference of attitude between the two sides. I remember a few months ago spending 12 hours attacking Enaluri and finally getting it to 28% that first day after losing hundreds of ships. I wanted to put a fist through my monitor that night when the node crashed from something that was happening several systems away, and we logged back in to find the system back down to 0%. We petitioned it of course, but the response was that the tools didn't exist to fix the percentage bar back to where it had been.
We had to start over from scratch, and what happened was that the following day, Gallente numbers swelled as people who had not participated in the offensive at that point, and hadn't really cared, rallied around the FCs and people who'd wasted their time and ISK the previous day, because "**** that ****".
That's the real difference I see between the militias. When the Gallente get a bad turn, they seem to rally together tighter than before, and try harder. If someone's home system comes under attack it's basically a guarantee that almost every major corp and alliance will be there to help in the defense. Help is asked for, and it's given without a second thought because each of us knows that those guys will be there for us when it's our turn to get **** on.
The Caldari could learn something from that, but it won't be easy. The Gallente core groups have the advantage that comes with flying together for years at this point, while the Caldari have gone through a lot of turnover in that time. If you were to look at the Gallente corps and alliances that bashed the final iHub in January of 2013, a lot of the same flags were flying in August of 2014. On the Caldari side, I don't think more than Templis and the Russians around OMS still remain from the 2013 Campaign.
In closing, while I will happily look at ways to incentivise a losing side to keep fighting (and take suggestions) to bring these ideas to CCP's attention, I also think the Caldari have some work to do on their own house. Any changes that could be made that would affect all sides equally at this point still won't save you guys from yourselves, and your inability/unwillingness to work together Ok, why do you to have to go and be so magnanimous as to explicitly point out what calmil did wrong? It's not rocket science. But, I chose not to state it so blatantly. Give them a chance to realize it on their own, ffs. Concerning how to fix the current fw mechanics, please read my posts for some suggestions as to how CCP can build in support for a militia on the down side. The current feedback loop for farmers to support the winning side (even though that is not the major reason for victory as Cearain seems to think) making it easier for sweeps to occur has got to be changed. LP should not be uniform across the warzone. Dplex lp should be much less in occupied systems, for one thing. Anyway, here's hoping you and the CSM can help CCP keep making fw better.
- While i agree with DJ on why the Caldari have not moved forward in quite some time. The Caldari Coalition held a meeting a about the state of the war zone and it was Decided to basically let you have it Chill back do nothing,. - By this i am not saying we could have stopped you not saying that at all. Why did we decide to do this.. Well it was mentioned that maybe we deserve to lose it because our heads are so far up our own asses that we are not by any means working as a team. So we took a step back. And are now working on how we can work together and building the Coalition to a state where we can fight you properly
Again Well Deserved. The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology [GHIOT] CEO Top Killing Caldari FW Corporation.-á |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2484
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:01:00 -
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PERUNGA wrote: PS Do I get my medal now ?
What he said.
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RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos
44
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
You seem to assume rabbit plexing favors the losing side. It doesn't. It simply favors those who want to avoid pvp. Gallente have put rabbit plexing to the best use ever. That is a huge reason gallente won.
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When you talk about caldari militia who do you mean exactly? Do you mean the 5,299 characters reported in the caldari militia? The overwhelming majority of those players are alts and have no interest in any sort of pvp defense. The same is true of the 6,145 gallente characters and all the other militias. The game strongly favors alts so that is what our ranks are full of.
you contradicted yourself here. in the first part of your post you said gallente won because we had too many plexing alts. Later in your post you said caldari lost because they had too many plexing alts.
LOL
and by the way i've never seen this many tear soaked posts from one player in the span of a few days http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
304
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:30:00 -
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Mira deVorsha wrote:Well Done,
You deserve it,
Cant believe i am saying this, Well Done Perunga.
Now we just need a well done XG and the congrats will be complete from Caldari BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Mira deVorsha
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
17
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:46:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Mira deVorsha wrote:Well Done,
You deserve it,
Cant believe i am saying this, Well Done Perunga. Now we just need a well done XG and the congrats will be complete from Caldari
XG would always get a Well done. Good Job. You deserve it from me.. But he told me he doesn't believe a word i say didn't wanna waste my fingers
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology [GHIOT] CEO Top Killing Caldari FW Corporation.-á |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
304
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:53:00 -
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lulz BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1354
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:53:00 -
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RonPaul Rox wrote:Cearain wrote:
You seem to assume rabbit plexing favors the losing side. It doesn't. It simply favors those who want to avoid pvp. Gallente have put rabbit plexing to the best use ever. That is a huge reason gallente won.
...
When you talk about caldari militia who do you mean exactly? Do you mean the 5,299 characters reported in the caldari militia? The overwhelming majority of those players are alts and have no interest in any sort of pvp defense. The same is true of the 6,145 gallente characters and all the other militias. The game strongly favors alts so that is what our ranks are full of.
you contradicted yourself here. in the first part of your post you said gallente won because we had too many plexing alts. Later in your post you said caldari lost because they had too many plexing alts.
I never said the latter.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1354
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:57:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: Its pretty imbalanced but also there is very little interest in the game anyway. So you just get a few players with an interest and they can sweep the warzone. tl;dr "We didn't want the warzone anyways."
The interest is so low even some gallente were saying that.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1354
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:02:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:PERUNGA wrote: PS Do I get my medal now ?
What he said.
Medals and another high five from fozzie are in order.
I am crying bitterly about this loss but even I can smudge the tears away and acknowledge you deserve both. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1354
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:09:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Most people in eve has multiple accounts. I personally will not take any pointers on what is normal from you cearain lol. .
Ok the guy who: 1)Can never be seen in local without his booster alt 2)Posts videos on youtube where he brags about beating 3 frigates with his single frigate but leaves out that the fight was actually 1 frigate and a t3 cruiser versus 3 frigates 3)Actually argues that alts rabbit plexing is good for faction war thinks I am crazy?
IGÇÖm fine with that.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: You spend most of your game time posting misrepresented stats on the forum in regards to an aspect of the game you claim is mostly alts and people who dont care about it .
Do you think most characters in faction war are mains? What percent of the 20,000 faction war characters are mains in your opinion? You think most people in faction war are mains that care about who wins occupancy? Well gallente just swept occupancy in their entire front. Were there battles with thousands of thes caring fw characters participating? What claim do you even disagree with?
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Even when you play you just roam around in a solo kestrel and whine about links system by system. That is a very interesting type of normal you have there. . . All the problems you think exist could only be fixed by breaking what has become one of the best places in eve The thing you dont understand is that its the players who would need to change to fix what you see as problems...
I donGÇÖt whine about booster alts in every system. I think off grid boosting is a bad mechanic. Does that make me mentally unstable? I do like to fly solo kestrels so I will take whatever I have coming for that. I suppose the only way to not be biased and bitter in your opinion is to agree that rabbit alt plexing is fine and pretend it doesnGÇÖt really effect the war zone. You think eliminating that would break faction war. Ok at least we have identified the root of our disagreement. The players are not going to change. They will continue to play the mechanics to pursue their goals. If they want to win occupancy then under the current mechanics they will get alts out in plexes. This is what has been happening since before inferno see sasawong and sheltering sky, see flying hot pocket, Cynthia nezmor and now XG with his deplexing alt capturing 100 plexes in 2 weeks. Thinking players will suddenly start playing the same mechanics differently is not going to work. The problem really is the game not the players.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: TBH amarr/matar wz is more broken than ours due to egglehende, the same problem doesnt happen in gal space due to lack of centrally located neutral systems. CCP really need to fix egglehende to give conflict drivers a chance to work over there. .
This is interesting. You think Amarr minmatar zone is broken because Amarr base out of faction war space. So what do you do? You force caldari out of faction war space.
Again the problem is the huge influence rabbit alt plexers have over the occupancy war. It is not the players itGÇÖs the game mechanics. Amarr and minmatar also likely have a larger percent of core vets so they know the silliness of the occupancy war. Caldari and gallente are new enough to drink the koolaid your are selling.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: The other problem in both warzones, is the abundance of powerful neutral entities who just linger to take easy fights against less equipped militia fleets. the lack of BC/BS fleets of old has nothing to do with FW mechanics, its simply not sensible to undock BC's and end up blobbed by commandships, or BS and end up blobbed by proteus, blap dreads or other hard counter.
Wow you are really complaining about neutrals that want to pvp? As a pvper neutrals were often a godsend as otherwise I wouldnGÇÖt get half the fights.
You know there is a reason the more veteran and better equipped pvpers are not in faction war donGÇÖt you? ItGÇÖs because faction war mechanics do not value their pvp skills. Think about it. Gallente just swept the front without the help of their best pvp corp. They did it with new players and lots and lots of alts.
If faction war were a game where a pvper where more valued than a plexing alt there would be more of those equipped and skilled pvpers in faction war. You wouldnGÇÖt have to run to ccps skirts to try to find protection from the good pvpers they would be in the militias.
Ok should there be a plex that allows BCs or BSes (or even caps but not supers) and down? Sure I am for it. Null sec entities do have access to much more resources. But not all of the low sec neutrals are null sec alliances. Many are just low sec pvpers who left faction war because faction war did not value their pvp skills.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:21:00 -
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TL;not interested.
You have nothing worthwhile to add. |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:RonPaul Rox wrote:Cearain wrote:
You seem to assume rabbit plexing favors the losing side. It doesn't. It simply favors those who want to avoid pvp. Gallente have put rabbit plexing to the best use ever. That is a huge reason gallente won.
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When you talk about caldari militia who do you mean exactly? Do you mean the 5,299 characters reported in the caldari militia? The overwhelming majority of those players are alts and have no interest in any sort of pvp defense. The same is true of the 6,145 gallente characters and all the other militias. The game strongly favors alts so that is what our ranks are full of.
you contradicted yourself here. in the first part of your post you said gallente won because we had too many plexing alts. Later in your post you said caldari lost because they had too many plexing alts. I never said the latter.
LOL i quoted you saying it in my post http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:31:00 -
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RonPaul Rox wrote:
LOL i quoted you saying it in my post
When going on an all out contrarian post binge its sometimes hard to be consistent when the primary objective is just to disagree with everyone! |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:35:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You know there is a reason the more veteran and better equipped pvpers are not in faction war donGÇÖt you? ItGÇÖs because faction war mechanics do not value their pvp skills. Think about it. Gallente just swept the front without the help of their best pvp corp. They did it with new players and lots and lots of alts.
Normally I just ignore your dribble, but this one made me laugh and ask the question 'Who do you think the best PvP corp in gal mil is?'
-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:37:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:Cearain wrote:You know there is a reason the more veteran and better equipped pvpers are not in faction war donGÇÖt you? ItGÇÖs because faction war mechanics do not value their pvp skills. Think about it. Gallente just swept the front without the help of their best pvp corp. They did it with new players and lots and lots of alts.
Normally I just ignore your dribble, but this one made me laugh and ask the question 'Who do you think the best PvP corp in gal mil is?'
I think hes talking about that corp that used to be good 2-3 years ago, but now have like 5 exceptional players, 4 of which will under no circumstances join a non corp fleet. I forget that corps name. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:41:00 -
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Mira deVorsha wrote:Well it was mentioned that maybe we deserve to lose it because our heads are so far up our own asses that we are not by any means working as a team. So we took a step back. And are now working on how we can work together and building the Coalition to a state where we can fight you properly. As much smacktalk as flies between the militias, in all seriousness I'm glad that you all are taking a step back to reevaluate. I think I speak for the majority of GalMil when I say we want solid opponents to fight, and it seems like you all are taking the necessary time to sort yourselves out and come out swinging.
High performance groups are forged under pressure. We would have done you no favors had we taken things easily on you, and props to you all for recognizing that.
We look forward to seeing the resurgent and renewed Caldari militia to come.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
Galron Todako
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:58:00 -
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Samuel Triptee
Rosyme Industries
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:04:00 -
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Congrats to my one time Bros in Gal Mil !!!!! Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today? |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:29:00 -
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RonPaul Rox wrote:Cearain wrote:RonPaul Rox wrote:Cearain wrote:
You seem to assume rabbit plexing favors the losing side. It doesn't. It simply favors those who want to avoid pvp. Gallente have put rabbit plexing to the best use ever. That is a huge reason gallente won.
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When you talk about caldari militia who do you mean exactly? Do you mean the 5,299 characters reported in the caldari militia? The overwhelming majority of those players are alts and have no interest in any sort of pvp defense. The same is true of the 6,145 gallente characters and all the other militias. The game strongly favors alts so that is what our ranks are full of.
you contradicted yourself here. in the first part of your post you said gallente won because we had too many plexing alts. Later in your post you said caldari lost because they had too many plexing alts.
I never said caldari lost because they had too many plexing alts. Not in that post or in any other. Maybe you thought that was implied by the second quote. But its not logically implied or implied in any other sense. Caldari might have allot of people who don't care about occupancy and only run missions or pvp, as do all the factions. But plexing alts only help occupancy for the militia, they never hurt it.
Some of the 5,299 Caldari probably includes allot of plexing alts for players who don't care about who wins the occupancy war. They look at what tier each miltiia is at. So once Caldari hit tier 1 they probably plexed with their gallente alts. But yeah caldari sure could have used more plexing alts.
Garr Earthbender wrote:
Normally I just ignore your dribble, but this one made me laugh and ask the question 'Who do you think the best PvP corp in gal mil is?'
The best pvp corp in gallente militia is the gallente corp with the best pvpers. Did they leave Gallente militia or something? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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