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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1355
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:57:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:YOU WEREN'T THERE MAN.  You really don't know what happened in the Cal/Gal warzone over the last few weeks. So please stop talking as if you were there.
Caldari guy said he couldn't get enough pilots in ships other than condors. Gallente say Caldari threw in the towel. I don't see any big controversy about what happened. Gallente pilots say they were lucky to get 40 guys in ships and Caldari apparently couldn't even match that.
My point is that when the militia have 20,000 active characters that seems like a sickly turnout for a war zone about to be completely taken. Do you have battle reports with even 10% of the militia showing up? That to me is the biggest takeaway from this event.
Is there even a dispute about this?
These are the posts I am reading from people who claim they were there I don't see any reason to reject it.
DJ comes in with the the inevitable psychobabble that the winning side always seems to come in with, about how they were just mentally tougher. And that is why they fought through the hard times. How does he know how mentally tough the caldari were? How does he know what attitudes they had?
On the other hand I am hearing gallente militia veterans saying doing this to squids was just like kicking puppys so they did not bother. If DJ has some good evidence to go against the majority of reports to support his theory that the war was not won simply because gallente could easily outblob the caldari then I am interested. But saying one night the gallente were a bit frustrated by the caldari is pretty weak sauce for that conclusion. Especially when we see many gallente were sitting on the sidelines.
Sorry I have seen this too many times in eve even dating back to when the Caldari stomped through war zone. I know enough about eve and faction war to know that one side is really not psychologically tougher than the other. Fcs just look at the ships they have on hand and the ships the enemy has and try to figure if they should take the fight. All this other stuff about attitudes and characters of the players is just crap.
But believe what you want. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2484
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:05:00 -
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It's not like you did anything in our warzone. I can understand why you're so bitter for taking days off of work for a video game down in Huola. But you had no skin in game in our warzone. So why you so upset? All you need to say is "Gallente play this game better than me, and that's ok" |

Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1355
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:48:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:It's not like you did anything in our warzone. I can understand why you're so bitter for taking days off of work for a video game down in Huola. But you had no skin in game in our warzone. So why you so upset? All you need to say is "Gallente play this game better than me, and that's ok"
You are right I have no skin in the gallente caldari warzone. So that makes me much more objective about it. I am just looking at some facts and drawing some conclusions.
Its also odd that you keep saying I am upset. There was nothing upsetting about huola. I took a few days off and got exactly what I expected. I didn't know if we would capture it or not but the pvp I got, was as expected. Neither better or worse than I thought it would be - no complaints and I would do it again if work was as it was then.
Instead of acting childish and calling me a crybaby because I disagree with you about the mechanics, why don't you look at some of the specific facts that I raise about faction war?
You claim rabbit alts are irrelevant but your going to keep your d-plexing alt all the same right?
What percent of the militias 20,000 characters do you think are main characters?
Wouldn't you think there would be bigger turnouts at some of these battles given the number of characters in militia and the ?300,000? accounts in eve?
If you agree the turn out was low, don't you think that suggests few people really care about occupancy?
Why do you think few people care about occupancy?
Honestly act like an adult and engage the issues instead of just name calling. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2485
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:06:00 -
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Cearain wrote:....You are right I have no skin in the gallente caldari warzone. You are upset, look at how many longwinded posts you've made in the past day on a subject that doesn't matter to you. BTW, is there any way you could edit them and put up a few tl;dr's in there to help us out?
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1355
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:22:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:....You are right I have no skin in the gallente caldari warzone. You are upset, look at how many longwinded posts you've made in the past day on a subject that doesn't matter to you. BTW, is there any way you could edit them and put up a few tl;dr's in there to help us out?
Another childish "look your upset" post. Just because someone writes allot about a topic they care about that does not mean they are upset.
I do care about eve and faction war. Eve is a great game, probably the best after chess. So I post about both. I never denied that. I don't really care that gallente won the last round. I really want to care about who wins the occupancy war, but its not happening with these mechanics. I am not the only one who finds it easy not to care about occupancy with these mechanics.
If you want to discuss the issues like an adult maybe answer some of the questions I offered in my last post. Who knows you might have something constructive to say other than a variation of your junior high retort of "why you so mad?"
Eh, I am not expecting that, but one can always hope.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2486
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:37:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Eve is a great game, probably the best after chess. So what rule changes should they implement in chess? The afk computer bots keep winning. There's got to be something they can do to nerf Deep Blue. |

Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
221
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:38:00 -
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If you write 'I don't care about (insert something here)' enough, argue about (same something) enough, then people are going to take that as overwhelming evidence that you care. -Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper |

Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1355
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:53:00 -
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Garr Earthbender wrote:If you write 'I don't care about (insert something here)' enough, argue about (same something) enough, then people are going to take that as overwhelming evidence that you care.
Ok so if you ask someone why they are upset about something and they tell you they are not upset, then you think they must be upset.
I care about faction war and eve as a whole. That's why I post about them. It would be great if ccp fixed fw occupancy. But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2487
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:55:00 -
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Cearain wrote: But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't. Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1093
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:07:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Garr Earthbender wrote:If you write 'I don't care about (insert something here)' enough, argue about (same something) enough, then people are going to take that as overwhelming evidence that you care. Ok so if you ask someone why they are upset about something and they tell you they are not upset, then you think they must be upset. I care about faction war and eve as a whole. That's why I post about them. It would be great if ccp fixed fw occupancy. But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't.
I care about global warming in the same way that cearain cares about faction war. I have no ******* clue how to fix it. |

Mira deVorsha
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
17
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:08:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't. Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. Be a good sport like the Caldari: give props to a well-earned victory, and then get back to fighting.
I have to agree... The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology [GHIOT] CEO Top Killing Caldari FW Corporation.-á |

Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1355
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:10:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't. Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. Be a good sport like the Caldari: give props to a well-earned victory, and then get back to fighting.
Just as I thought nothing more than a childish "your mad" post.
My first post, other than saying you should get a medal and a high five, was responding to a lengthy post from a csm member. He was drawing conclusions based on this event. I questioned the conclusions he reached.
If his post was off topic then I suppose you think my response to his post was also off topic. But if its within the scope of the topic then my response was as well. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Mira deVorsha
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
17
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:13:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't. Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. Be a good sport like the Caldari: give props to a well-earned victory, and then get back to fighting. Just as I thought nothing more than a childish "your mad" post. My first post, other than saying you should get a medal and a high five, was responding to a lengthy post from a csm member. He was drawing conclusions based on this event. I questioned the conclusions he reached. If his post was off topic then I suppose you think my response to his post was also off topic. But if its within the scope of the topic then my response was as well.
Cearain have you ever thought of writing for News Papers?
Everything in there is Boring and Long winded as well give it a break dude. We lost due to the fact the Gallente are better Organised. Nothing more.
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology [GHIOT] CEO Top Killing Caldari FW Corporation.-á |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1093
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:14:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't. Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. Be a good sport like the Caldari: give props to a well-earned victory, and then get back to fighting. Just as I thought nothing more than a childish "your mad" post. My first post, other than saying you should get a medal and a high five, was responding to a lengthy post from a csm member. He was drawing conclusions based on this event. I questioned the conclusions he reached. If his post was off topic then I suppose you think my response to his post was also off topic. But if its within the scope of the topic then my response was as well.
At least that CSM member was there for like 3 hours out of the 13 days. Thats 3 hours more than you. Not sure why you feel qualified to comment. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2488
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:48:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:If i was mad i would claim that i wasnt too. You are obviously mad. BTW, when I said "mad" I meant angry mad, not the mentally ill type of mad. However, I could see you you could have thought I meant the other one. |

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
104
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:03:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:So I think I have caught up on everything happening in eve during my absence. Calmil ----->  Galmil ----->  Nullsec ----->  Me ----->  CCP & SomerBlink ----->  Is this about right? Yep that sums it up
Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |

Super Chair
Project Cerberus Templis CALSF
652
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Posted - 2014.08.28 03:22:00 -
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I don't know cearain is even posting in this thread. He's turning a decent smacktalk thread into actual whining... |

PERUNGA
C.Q.B Gods Work.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:20:00 -
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Mira deVorsha wrote:Well Done,
You deserve it,
Cant believe i am saying this, Well Done Perunga.
GG bro  |

PERUNGA
C.Q.B Gods Work.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:30:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Mira deVorsha wrote:Well Done,
You deserve it,
Cant believe i am saying this, Well Done Perunga. Now we just need a well done XG and the congrats will be complete from Caldari 
The truth will out Than  |

Shad owLord
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
7
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:02:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Mira deVorsha wrote:Well it was mentioned that maybe we deserve to lose it because our heads are so far up our own asses that we are not by any means working as a team. So we took a step back. And are now working on how we can work together and building the Coalition to a state where we can fight you properly. As much smacktalk as flies between the militias, in all seriousness I'm glad that you all are taking a step back to reevaluate. I think I speak for the majority of GalMil when I say we want solid opponents to fight, and it seems like you all are taking the necessary time to sort yourselves out and come out swinging. High performance groups are forged under pressure. We would have done you no favors had we taken things easily on you, and props to you all for recognizing that. We look forward to seeing the resurgent and renewed Caldari militia to come.
With regards to small gang fights, roams and gate camps, were already back out there, as far as taking any systems back - don't hold your breath  |

Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
309
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:04:00 -
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Shad owLord wrote: With regards to small gang fights, roams and gate camps, were already back out there, as far as taking any systems back - don't hold your breath 
Warzone burned, now back to your scheduled gate camping lame-sauce. BLFOX is currently recruiting |

Mira deVorsha
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
20
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:30:00 -
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With regards to small gang fights, roams and gate camps, were already back out there, as far as taking any systems back - don't hold your breath [/quote]
I second that. Enemy Spotted has no interest in the war zone at this time. But always up for fights The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology [GHIOT] CEO Top Killing Caldari FW Corporation.-á |

Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
221
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:38:00 -
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Well feel free to roam the WZ like the old days before docking rights. We're in recovery mode moving ships back around and generally farming. Between all that though, we'll still go up for a fight! -Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper |

Shad owLord
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
7
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:53:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Shad owLord wrote: With regards to small gang fights, roams and gate camps, were already back out there, as far as taking any systems back - don't hold your breath  Warzone burned, now back to your scheduled gate camping lame-sauce.
We'll take kills anywhere we can get them. |

Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
310
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:02:00 -
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Shad owLord wrote:We'll take kills anywhere we can get them.
Long term your corp/alliance would probably be better served if you prioritized fights over kills (not that farming killmails is necessarily bad, it can be pretty funny sometimes). It might make it harder for us to Burn the Warzone again. BLFOX is currently recruiting |

Shad owLord
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
7
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:49:00 -
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Nothing to burn if we take nothing back  |

Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
310
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:05:00 -
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Shad owLord wrote:Nothing to burn if we take nothing back 
Sure there is. And if the Caldari bacon is too burnt to recover, we'll just find other targets to burn BLFOX is currently recruiting |

Dread Operative
Snuff Box
361
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:14:00 -
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They should implement a system that whenever anyone attacks a plex the other militia gets a notification on what system they are in. **** since deplexing is such a huge issue now why not make it whenever anyone run any sort a plex a notification is sent. That would fix everything........ |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1101
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:17:00 -
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Dread Operative wrote:They should implement a system that whenever anyone attacks a plex the other militia gets a notification on what system they are in. **** since deplexing is such a huge issue now why not make it whenever anyone run any sort a plex a notification is sent. That would fix everything........
What a unique and original idea, i like it! |

Terbulus
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
13
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:47:00 -
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Congrats all! The best battles in this campaign were on teamspeak: perunga vs whatever gal fc had recently lost a fight. Smooches uncle runga, we love you despite your rage. |
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