... what happens now? Do the systems stay as they are or do they get reset?

I guess Now it's the signal for Calmil to come to take it's systems Back so the pendulum swing will continue like a clock of the universe.

The pendulum broke after Kronos

Why ? kronos only reduce alt farmers ability to run plexes easy mode

Which, like it or not, was a big part of the pendulum. My militia mates who made such a huge push over the past few weeks put in a LOT of concentrated effort to move the WZ as quickly as they did. If we'd had to deal with the alt farmer hordes of olde, it would have been a LOT more difficult to accomplish.

Kronos was a huge deal for WZ control. It's part of why we made the pre-Kronos push to give ourselves a buffer, and part of why it's been comparatively easy to maintain WZ control since that time.

Grats on the win!

Question for those who have been around for a clean sweep before: what happens now? Do the systems stay as they are or do they get reset?

Which, like it or not, was a big part of the pendulum. My militia mates who made such a huge push over the past few weeks put in a LOT of concentrated effort to move the WZ as quickly as they did. If we'd had to deal with the alt farmer hordes of olde, it would have been a LOT more difficult to accomplish.

Kronos was a huge deal for WZ control. It's part of why we made the pre-Kronos push to give ourselves a buffer, and part of why it's been comparatively easy to maintain WZ control since that time.

^ This and add in that Large plex's now account for 25% of the sites, and Caldari cannot (due to not enough high sp players) field hacs to counter the Gallente hac fleets they deploy in the larges means calmil have to concede them. Im not saying its Gal's or Cal's fault, just maybe an unintentional side effect of Kronos - hence at present the pendulum is broken

I hope you get another medal, and another high five from CCP Fozzie.

Many of us haven't ever gotten either since we weren't around last time. Even without the medal though I wouldn't take it back. After being in Gallente militia for almost 16 months, starting as a near total newb, and being constantly engaged in what was going on and trying to push the limits, last night felt absolutely amazing.

I wouldn't trade this feeling for all the ISK in the universe.

Many of us haven't ever gotten either since we weren't around last time. Even without the medal though I wouldn't take it back. After being in Gallente militia for almost 16 months, starting as a near total newb, and being constantly engaged in what was going on and trying to push the limits, last night felt absolutely amazing.

I wouldn't trade this feeling for all the ISK in the universe.

This is just not true. During the silly cynobitching for RZR, cal mil were often fielding 50-60 man cruiser fleets with logi and other support. Their fleet could have in nearly all cases taken us by themselves. Yet they still dropped another 20-30 dull bears on us lol.

If there are any large null sec entities that would like to come help Cal mil we welcome the challenge. We've taken the warzone again. Now it is time for a rather large group, looking to make some isk, to challenge Gal mil. I'm sure there is someone strapped for cash that will help out cal mil in their efforts.

Having a large, bored null entity come into Calmil is the absolute last thing we need. If we're ever going to make a dent, we need to pick ourselves up off the mat and stop relying on some outside force to bolster a crippled militia. Sorry if this makes for a bored Galmil in the meantime

I like to type words out on my CSM account to look important.

Congrats to everyone!

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I have the fall of Ladister and the celebration that followed recorded :)

I don't think the pendulum should swing on the nuts of AFK plex farmers, but at the same time, there has to be some value to a player willing to fight for a side on a down swing.

A good part of this Gallente Victory is the also Caldari's inability to work together between corps and alliances. I was there in the meeting when the plan was laid out on which system would get hit in what order, the Gallente FCs and CEOs having full knowledge that none of the groups would move in to help one another hold their space, and would patiently wait their turn for the whole of the Gallente militia to come to them.

In a sense, I'm a bit sad at this victory. I saw flashes of brilliance from the Caldari side during the Okkamon campaign, with large Caldari fleets and several groups working together. There was one night in particular where you guys really brought it, and there were a lot of frustrated words on Gal Mil comms. Had you guys been able to keep it up, the Gallente might never have taken that system, but you didn't, and they did.


I also think there's a marked difference of attitude between the two sides.....

We had to start over from scratch, and what happened was that the following day, ....

That's the real difference I see between the militias. When the Gallente get a bad turn, they seem to rally together tighter than before, and try harder.....

The Caldari could learn something from that, but it won't be easy.....

In closing, while I will happily look at ways to incentivise a losing side to keep fighting (and take suggestions) to bring these ideas to CCP's attention, I also think the Caldari have some work to do on their own house. Any changes that could be made that would affect all sides equally at this point still won't save you guys from yourselves, and your inability/unwillingness to work together

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Congratulations are in order for the Gallente Militia. This is the second time I've seen the warzone get swept like this. Last time worked much the same, except without the Caldari throwing in the towel. As I recall, Gal Mil only held the whole zone for a day last time as Ev0ke landed up in the northwest and began their march to Eha where they were eventually stopped.

That said, this is looking like the beginning of a long painful drought for the Caldari Militia. Some people have brought up to me, and I would agree, that the current system is a bit too punishing for the side getting the screws put to it. It's something I'll bring up with CCP, though I'm not 100% on a solution yet. What is clear is that there is no incentive to join a side losing as bad as the Caldari are right now. That is bad for player retention on their end, and also for bringing in fresh blood. Only a true Caldari loyalist (Read: RPer), gluttons for punishment, and those too stubborn to back down would see much value in joining or staying with Cal Mil at this point. That is unhealthy not only for the Caldari's ability to remain competitive, but also for the Gallente that rely on decent Caldari numbers for content.

I don't think the pendulum should swing on the nuts of AFK plex farmers, but at the same time, there has to be some value to a player willing to fight for a side on a down swing.

A good part of this Gallente Victory is the also Caldari's inability to work together between corps and alliances. I was there in the meeting when the plan was laid out on which system would get hit in what order, the Gallente FCs and CEOs having full knowledge that none of the groups would move in to help one another hold their space, and would patiently wait their turn for the whole of the Gallente militia to come to them.

In a sense, I'm a bit sad at this victory. I saw flashes of brilliance from the Caldari side during the Okkamon campaign, with large Caldari fleets and several groups working together. There was one night in particular where you guys really brought it, and there were a lot of frustrated words on Gal Mil comms. Had you guys been able to keep it up, the Gallente might never have taken that system, but you didn't, and they did.

I also think there's a marked difference of attitude between the two sides. I remember a few months ago spending 12 hours attacking Enaluri and finally getting it to 28% that first day after losing hundreds of ships. I wanted to put a fist through my monitor that night when the node crashed from something that was happening several systems away, and we logged back in to find the system back down to 0%. We petitioned it of course, but the response was that the tools didn't exist to fix the percentage bar back to where it had been.

We had to start over from scratch, and what happened was that the following day, Gallente numbers swelled as people who had not participated in the offensive at that point, and hadn't really cared, rallied around the FCs and people who'd wasted their time and ISK the previous day, because "**** that ****".

That's the real difference I see between the militias. When the Gallente get a bad turn, they seem to rally together tighter than before, and try harder. If someone's home system comes under attack it's basically a guarantee that almost every major corp and alliance will be there to help in the defense. Help is asked for, and it's given without a second thought because each of us knows that those guys will be there for us when it's our turn to get **** on.

The Caldari could learn something from that, but it won't be easy. The Gallente core groups have the advantage that comes with flying together for years at this point, while the Caldari have gone through a lot of turnover in that time. If you were to look at the Gallente corps and alliances that bashed the final iHub in January of 2013, a lot of the same flags were flying in August of 2014. On the Caldari side, I don't think more than Templis and the Russians around OMS still remain from the 2013 Campaign.

In closing, while I will happily look at ways to incentivise a losing side to keep fighting (and take suggestions) to bring these ideas to CCP's attention, I also think the Caldari have some work to do on their own house. Any changes that could be made that would affect all sides equally at this point still won't save you guys from yourselves, and your inability/unwillingness to work together

Its pretty imbalanced but also there is very little interest in the game anyway. So you just get a few players with an interest and they can sweep the warzone.

Ok, why do you to have to go and be so magnanimous as to explicitly point out what calmil did wrong? It's not rocket science. But, I chose not to state it so blatantly. Give them a chance to realize it on their own, ffs.

Concerning how to fix the current fw mechanics, please read my posts for some suggestions as to how CCP can build in support for a militia on the down side. The current feedback loop for farmers to support the winning side (even though that is not the major reason for victory as Cearain seems to think) making it easier for sweeps to occur has got to be changed. LP should not be uniform across the warzone. Dplex lp should be much less in occupied systems, for one thing.


Anyway, here's hoping you and the CSM can help CCP keep making fw better.

PS Do I get my medal now ?

You seem to assume rabbit plexing favors the losing side. It doesn't. It simply favors those who want to avoid pvp. Gallente have put rabbit plexing to the best use ever. That is a huge reason gallente won.

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When you talk about caldari militia who do you mean exactly? Do you mean the 5,299 characters reported in the caldari militia? The overwhelming majority of those players are alts and have no interest in any sort of pvp defense. The same is true of the 6,145 gallente characters and all the other militias. The game strongly favors alts so that is what our ranks are full of.

Well Done,

You deserve it,

Cant believe i am saying this, Well Done Perunga.

Now we just need a well done XG and the congrats will be complete from Caldari

you contradicted yourself here. in the first part of your post you said gallente won because we had too many plexing alts. Later in your post you said caldari lost because they had too many plexing alts.

tl;dr "We didn't want the warzone anyways."

What he said.

Most people in eve has multiple accounts. I personally will not take any pointers on what is normal from you cearain lol. .

You spend most of your game time posting misrepresented stats on the forum in regards to an aspect of the game you claim is mostly alts and people who dont care about it .

Even when you play you just roam around in a solo kestrel and whine about links system by system. That is a very interesting type of normal you have there. . . All the problems you think exist could only be fixed by breaking what has become one of the best places in eve The thing you dont understand is that its the players who would need to change to fix what you see as problems...

TBH amarr/matar wz is more broken than ours due to egglehende, the same problem doesnt happen in gal space due to lack of centrally located neutral systems. CCP really need to fix egglehende to give conflict drivers a chance to work over there. .

The other problem in both warzones, is the abundance of powerful neutral entities who just linger to take easy fights against less equipped militia fleets. the lack of BC/BS fleets of old has nothing to do with FW mechanics, its simply not sensible to undock BC's and end up blobbed by commandships, or BS and end up blobbed by proteus, blap dreads or other hard counter.

I never said the latter.

LOL i quoted you saying it in my post

You know there is a reason the more veteran and better equipped pvpers are not in faction war donGÇÖt you? ItGÇÖs because faction war mechanics do not value their pvp skills. Think about it. Gallente just swept the front without the help of their best pvp corp. They did it with new players and lots and lots of alts.

Normally I just ignore your dribble, but this one made me laugh and ask the question 'Who do you think the best PvP corp in gal mil is?'

Well it was mentioned that maybe we deserve to lose it because our heads are so far up our own asses that we are not by any means working as a team. So we took a step back. And are now working on how we can work together and building the Coalition to a state where we can fight you properly.

Normally I just ignore your dribble, but this one made me laugh and ask the question 'Who do you think the best PvP corp in gal mil is?'

YOU WEREN'T THERE MAN. You really don't know what happened in the Cal/Gal warzone over the last few weeks. So please stop talking as if you were there.

It's not like you did anything in our warzone. I can understand why you're so bitter for taking days off of work for a video game down in Huola. But you had no skin in game in our warzone. So why you so upset? All you need to say is "Gallente play this game better than me, and that's ok"

....You are right I have no skin in the gallente caldari warzone.

You are upset, look at how many longwinded posts you've made in the past day on a subject that doesn't matter to you. BTW, is there any way you could edit them and put up a few tl;dr's in there to help us out?

Eve is a great game, probably the best after chess.

If you write 'I don't care about (insert something here)' enough, argue about (same something) enough, then people are going to take that as overwhelming evidence that you care.

But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't.

Ok so if you ask someone why they are upset about something and they tell you they are not upset, then you think they must be upset.

I care about faction war and eve as a whole. That's why I post about them. It would be great if ccp fixed fw occupancy. But right now with these mechanics, I don't really care who wins occupancy. I want to care, but until the game is fixed, I don't.

Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. Be a good sport like the Caldari: give props to a well-earned victory, and then get back to fighting.

Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. Be a good sport like the Caldari: give props to a well-earned victory, and then get back to fighting.

Just as I thought nothing more than a childish "your mad" post.

My first post, other than saying you should get a medal and a high five, was responding to a lengthy post from a csm member. He was drawing conclusions based on this event. I questioned the conclusions he reached.

If his post was off topic then I suppose you think my response to his post was also off topic. But if its within the scope of the topic then my response was as well.

Just as I thought nothing more than a childish "your mad" post.

My first post, other than saying you should get a medal and a high five, was responding to a lengthy post from a csm member. He was drawing conclusions based on this event. I questioned the conclusions he reached.

If his post was off topic then I suppose you think my response to his post was also off topic. But if its within the scope of the topic then my response was as well.

If i was mad i would claim that i wasnt too. You are obviously mad.

So I think I have caught up on everything happening in eve during my absence.

Calmil ----->

Galmil ----->

Nullsec ----->

Me ----->

CCP & SomerBlink ----->



Is this about right?



Yep that sums it up

Well Done,

You deserve it,

Cant believe i am saying this, Well Done Perunga.

Now we just need a well done XG and the congrats will be complete from Caldari

As much smacktalk as flies between the militias, in all seriousness I'm glad that you all are taking a step back to reevaluate. I think I speak for the majority of GalMil when I say we want solid opponents to fight, and it seems like you all are taking the necessary time to sort yourselves out and come out swinging.

High performance groups are forged under pressure. We would have done you no favors had we taken things easily on you, and props to you all for recognizing that.

We look forward to seeing the resurgent and renewed Caldari militia to come.

With regards to small gang fights, roams and gate camps, were already back out there, as far as taking any systems back - don't hold your breath

Warzone burned, now back to your scheduled gate camping lame-sauce.

We'll take kills anywhere we can get them.

Nothing to burn if we take nothing back

They should implement a system that whenever anyone attacks a plex the other militia gets a notification on what system they are in. **** since deplexing is such a huge issue now why not make it whenever anyone run any sort a plex a notification is sent. That would fix everything........

They should implement a system that whenever anyone attacks a plex the other militia gets a notification on what system they are in. **** since deplexing is such a huge issue now why not make it whenever anyone run any sort a plex a notification is sent. That would fix everything........

Petioning to rename this W&T forum from Warfare and Tactics to Whining and Tears

Inb4 cearain takes this 10 pages with how hes supported this since day . and now he has someone else to bk it up finally