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Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:13:00 -
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 The idea is simple.
Create a system that players can go to that will only allow you initiate combat with one player and only if that player isn't in combat and hasn't been in combat for 5 minutes.
This will hopefully give the winner of the previous battle a chance to recover or get out of Dodge if they can't repair before they would be engaged again.
I really like the idea of fights being ship class specific. for example cruiser vs cruiser, frigate vs frigate, BS vs BS.
This could really be a fun way for players to mix is up without losing your favorite ship to a roaming gank squad.
Personal Disclosure:
I"m fairly new to the game and haven't done any intentional pvp, I'm not in a player corp yet, but I am curious to see some PVP action, without having to take someones bait cans.
In closing I would like to say that EVE is a big universe; surely there is room for just one solo pvp system.
It would also make since that 0.0 players would have a direct jump point to it that wouldn't involve traveling Hi-Sec space.
0.0 space is expansive, but from what I hear not well populated. The Arena style system would be a great place for players to hone their combat skills and not automatically get smoked becuase someone has more friends in closer proximity.
As the saying goes more pew pew pew = more fun..
Comments Welcome.
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Teh Frog
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:26:00 -
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Meng Ren'Du wrote:The idea is simple. Create a system that players can go to that will only allow you to initiate combat with one player and only if that player isn't in combat and hasn't been in combat for 5 minutes. This will hopefully give the winner of the previous battle a chance to recover or get out of Dodge if they can't repair before they would be engaged again. I really like the idea of fights being ship class specific. for example cruiser vs cruiser, frigate vs frigate, BS vs BS. This could really be a fun way for players to mix is up without losing your favorite ship to a roaming gank squad. Personal Disclosure: I"m fairly new to the game and haven't done any intentional pvp, I'm not in a player corp yet, but I am curious to see some PVP action, without having to take someones bait cans. In closing I would like to say that EVE is a big universe; surely there is room for just one solo pvp system. It would also make since that 0.0 players would have a direct jump point to it that wouldn't involve traveling Hi-Sec space. 0.0 space is expansive, but from what I hear not well populated. The Arena style system would be a great place for players to hone their combat skills and not automatically get smoked becuase someone has more friends in closer proximity. As the saying goes more pew pew pew = more fun.. Comments Welcome.
I only liked your post to give you false hope.
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Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:36:00 -
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I think your missing the point. Eve is a multiplayer game start making friends. Solo pvp isn't dead, many people do it quite successfully in frigates.
If you want something to this effect, I would suggest Red Vs. Blue. I'm not 100% sure what there rules are on 1v1's but they are a great group to learn the basics from. Good luck. |
Onictus
Legendary Knights
Vorpal's Edge
38
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Posted - 2011.11.24 07:43:00 -
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Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.
You want arena's play WoW
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Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:17:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.
You want arena's play WoW
I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000?
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:21:00 -
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Meng Ren'Du wrote:Onictus wrote:Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.
You want arena's play WoW
I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000?
7500, and the answer is still no, this goes against the very fundamentals of eve. |
BlahBlahBlah McChode
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:47:00 -
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not sure if serious or just trolling
i totally like your idea though bro, and we could like, have an ELO rating system that shows our rank under our name and at certain levels we could get
"Vengeful Space Gladiator" versions and then
"BRUTAL SPACE GLADIATOR XXX CAKE" versions of our ships and maybe we can enchant them to have cool glow effects and then we can all float around jita 4-4 and /spacedance |
whaynethepain
11
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Posted - 2011.11.24 10:26:00 -
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There is a need for a 1V1 duel scenario.
Maybe deploy a gong, and the first two to hit it can fight each other to the death.
More PVP please, everywhere.
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Eridanii
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 11:39:00 -
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Eve is not an arena deathmatch E-Peen gloating video game. And that is why I don't like this idea. You want friendly consensual PVP, Red v Blue is the closest you are going to get. You want real PVP, get out of high sec. |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:44:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Meng Ren'Du wrote:Onictus wrote:Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.
You want arena's play WoW
I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000? 7500, and the answer is still no, this goes against the very fundamentals of eve.
It's Eve Universe and the operative word for me is universe.
It seems to me that it would be easy to create a back story of how a strange system was found that effects communications so no grouping would be allowed.... I have other ideas to flesh out the this solo only system and I'll try to drop a idea or two in each post.
I enjoy Eve and feel like there is untapped potential for some epic 1v1 dogfighting battles.
Some of the most interesting post I've read are other players talking about 1v1 battles with an unknown foe.
With regards to your comment that the idea is against the fundamentals of eve, I disagree.
The fundamentals of eve are it's a sandbox. Devs create the world and the players decide.
Thanks to everyone that is supportive or humoring me with this idea.
FYI I am not trolling.
I will admit that I'm mostly a pve style player, but I do enjoy the danger eve represents it is quite... thrilling.
But for me the subject is not me or WoW it's bringing a new and interesting system to Eve.
Last year when I took my first stab at playing I remember a promo that talked about every player being like a diety, but it's really hard to play that out when "blob" rule all.
Perhaps the system could be called Diety System.
Comments are welcome |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:13:00 -
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Its pointless. Want to go PvP then you don't need an arena system. Just undock and head to low-sec/npc null.
Hell we're back at October 2008 population levels, low-sec is empty (apart from FW areas), null npc is dead and most of sov null docks up when a neutral comes into system.
In short there has never been a better time to try solo PvP. The probability of being ganked away from busy routes is extremely low.
Edit - actually finding a target is likely to prove harder than killing it. No joke. |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:19:00 -
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Othran wrote:Its pointless. Want to go PvP then you don't need an arena system. Just undock and head to low-sec/npc null.
Hell we're back at October 2008 population levels, low-sec is empty (apart from FW areas), null npc is dead and most of sov null docks up when a neutral comes into system.
In short there has never been a better time to try solo PvP. The probability of being ganked away from busy routes is extremely low.
Edit - actually finding a target is likely to prove harder than killing it. No joke.
Thanks for the comments Othran.
What you are saying matches what I've been hearing on other post.
Can I asked you a question. Do you adventure solo in 0.0 space?
If you do how many times do you find another solo player to engage versus a pack?
Can you give me a ratio 2 to 1, 5 to 1, 1 to 1 ...
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:30:00 -
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I generally don't find many solo fights with Othran. He has a fair bit of experience in flying solo and you tend to find that makes people wary. I'm not claiming he has great killboard stats (I don't even look at KMs these days) but its more likely I'd have to go for a 1 v 2.
Might not start that way but I find most people won't engage without a buddy on call. Varies a lot depending on what you fly and where/when.
I can only assume killboard stats/employment history/whatever has something to do with it as I have an alt with similar skill points and he doesn't have a problem finding a solo fight even with similar ships.
I suspect a newbie PvPer would have little difficulty finding solo fights. Winning them might be a different matter.
You said you liked the feeling of danger in Eve. That's the one thing Eve has and other major MMOs don't - any instancing will kill that feeling stone dead and then what's the point of playing Eve? |
Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:33:00 -
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Join Red Versus Blue.  |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:38:00 -
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While I would love an easier (or rather quicker) way to get dogfights, I can't see how this idea could be implemented in this game in a good way. I can however see several possible executions that would be terrible.
Music for robots, hackers, pirates, geeks and miscellaneous nerds. |
Roime
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:06:00 -
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The arena for consensual PvP already exists, created by players as that's how EVE is meant to be played.
This arena offers 24/7 PvP for its members. Balanced fleets, hilariously unbalanced fleets, stellar FCs and fail FCs, unfair ganks, consensual 1vs1 and non-consensual 1vs1s, the arena has it all.
Join Red vs Blue and enter this arena, or create your own arena but ffs don't ask for the creators of the sandbox to ruin their creation.
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Sevena Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:10:00 -
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This exists already. For years actually. This is how it works:
"Hello corpmate, would you like a 1vs1 ? "
If you're in a NPC-corp you're clearly stating you DON'T want to interact too much. Thats fine. EVE is a sandbox. YOU decide what happens. That includes PVP. If you want an arena, set it up.
Small edit: I complety agree with the post above |
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:22:00 -
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Jettison can with 1 round of ammo in it.
Rename can to "Open Can for 1v1"
Orbit can until someone flies to it and takes your ammo.
Kill them.
Post your killboard link all over the place so we know how badass you are.
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:23:00 -
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Sevena Black wrote:This exists already. For years actually. This is how it works:
"Hello corpmate, would you like a 1vs1 ? "
If you're in a NPC-corp you're clearly stating you DON'T want to interact too much. Thats fine. EVE is a sandbox. YOU decide what happens. That includes PVP. If you want an arena, set it up.
Small edit: I complety agree with the post above
I''m missing something in most of the replies I see.
Are you all saying that Eve PvP is fine the way it is?
Common are comments about 0.0 space being mostly abandoned.
Common are comments that the game is fine the way it is.
I've read comments that the Devs are looking for ideas to improve the 0.0 space participation. I'm just pitching an idea.
If the current participation of pvp is fine and working as intending and what does it hurt to add another option to a sandbox?
Are you naysayers concerned that a solo only system would become so popular that it would threaten the activity levels for the other 7,500 systems?
I'm seeing some good comments and I appreciate you all taking the time to share with me.
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Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:47:00 -
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I think what most people are saying is that there are already numerous systems in-game to provide for 1vs1 PVP.
There are various and sundry ways to "duel" people, either in-corp, in low-sec, in Red vs. Blue wardec, or by dropping a can.
There are already a zillion killboard sites that will tell you who the "Top Players" are in EVE.
All of this was designed by players for players. For this, we don't need CCP to hold our hand. The community has already done it.
Go register at Battleclinic and look at the kill boards. Read their loadouts. See who ganked who. Peruse the top 100.
Your request already exists.
PVP needs work, but 1vs1 isn't what's currently broken.
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Amber Thetawaves
Mong's Marauders
6
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:59:00 -
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Meng Ren'Du wrote:The idea is simple.
yet so stupid
PLEASE STOP POSTING |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:29:00 -
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Omg I just posted about 4000 character response, but It was lost when i tried to post it.
I'm not retyping that right now.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
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jizzlez
Nasgul Collective
Cascade Imminent
3
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Posted - 2011.11.24 21:14:00 -
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The Instanced Zone is that way
/me points to test server.
Problem solved.Your Welcome. |
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:25:00 -
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* Insert usual "tl;dr" and "Hello Kitty Online is that way --->" comments... 2 minutes of my life I won[t get back now * |
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:26:00 -
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Goggles and a GIF with SpongeBob?
Yeah, he's the stupid one...  |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:32:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.
You want arena's play WoW
Blackrock Mountain, OH GOD HOW I MISS YOU
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
105
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Posted - 2011.11.24 23:12:00 -
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What part of "sandbox" do people not understand? |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.24 23:36:00 -
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Okay. Let me try this again.
Just because an idea is simple doesn't mean that it can't be powerful.
See I can do one liners and I can also expound on my thoughts.
How many times have we all heard that the 0.0 space is under populated?
How many times have we all heard that the Developers want to try to encourage more 0.0 space activity?
I don't know all that much about Eve. I am fairly new to eve so that much is true.
But I do have a very good understanding of human nature.
People fear change - *As witnessed by many comments to this idea*
People are influenced by uncertainity and uncertainty breads fear or at a minimum extreme caution.
People are creatures of habit.
Many players have the habit of spending most of their time in Hi-Sec space.
To change that habit CCP will need to do something different or the status quo will continue.
The idea I have is not an instance, it's just a different type of system; just like Wormholes, deadspace, normal space and the like are different (in theory).
They could even put time limits on how often the system will be open to entry say 30 days once every six months. This should be a solid comprimize for those concerned about ruining the balance of even. Once that 6 month batch of players have experience 1vs1 dogfighting they will be more creative in finding new ways to find them.
Some of you all make it sound like there is only one way to make it in Eve. The way you did.
Players like myself who are smart and primarly take calculated risk don't go running off to 0.0 space willy nilly. Because of my first weeks experience just passing through a system to get an item I won't be back to 0.0 for the forseeable future.
Now I am at the point that I am interested in trying some pvp, but I'm not going to waste my limited time jumping around looking for an honorable 1on1 when the blob mob mentality is so pervasive in Eve Universe. I'm not the only one that has these thoughts. Notice the hi concentration of players in Hi-Sec. Call us all carebears or wow transplants if you want, but the basic tenant of any MMO is that the gameplay experience change.
Now I'm not remotely interesting in ruining Eve, but until I started this post I had never heard of Red/Blue (which does sound interesting). The only issue I have with that mirrors a comment by someone in another post that I read earlier today.
He said and I agree that he wasn't interested in having his hand held through the early stages of tactics and strategies, he prefers to go at his own pace and figure it out himself.
Is there someone that would like to sound off in support of this idea with some suggestions on how we can improve it?
The naysayers are consistant, but seems to be relatively tame in responses so it's pretty safe to jump in. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
328
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Posted - 2011.11.25 00:07:00 -
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Please don't give CCP any ideas they might make this a NeX consumable or something. |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.25 00:17:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Please don't give CCP any ideas they might make this a NeX consumable or something.
You ma'am are both beautiful and smart.
I have to say I would probalby be tempted to spend cash on something like that, but then again I'm new so it would be a double whammy to pay for the 1v1 bubble and loose my ship. lol |
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