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Ahrieman
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.12.01 02:46:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:What part of "sandbox" do people not understand?
Apparently, just the "sandbox' part
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
159
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Posted - 2011.12.01 02:58:00 -
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Ahrieman wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:What part of "sandbox" do people not understand? Apparently, just the "sandbox' part
I for one don't understand the sand part.
It should be called a spacebox.
I live, I post, I slay. I am content.
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Bernie Nator
Insidious Design
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.12.01 03:52:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Ahrieman wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:What part of "sandbox" do people not understand? Apparently, just the "sandbox' part I for one don't understand the sand part. It should be called a spacebox.
Like some sort of box? Filled with space? |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 04:05:00 -
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Really?
PvP doesn't exist and never did.............
It's always PvP's......... less against more.
No arena's.
Wanna have fun? Shoot at something that fly's by and see what happens. |
tomato1
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.01 08:09:00 -
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first of alll half of you are trolls childish people like for real....at any rate i think this is a great idea i totally agree with this post to give the choice to engage players will learn what they should engage and what not too people will start to have thoughts in there head like hes probly got this fit point being i think it would be dope ;))) |
Bernie Nator
Insidious Design
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.12.01 08:11:00 -
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tomato1 wrote:first of alll half of you are trolls childish people like for real....at any rate i think this is a great idea i totally agree with this post to give the choice to engage players will learn what they should engage and what not too people will start to have thoughts in there head like hes probly got this fit point being i think it would be dope ;)))
Dear god man, what sort of sentence structure is that? |
Remmo Prideux II
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.12.01 09:24:00 -
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IMO the thought of having a scene set for 1vs1 PVP would totaly ruin the whole idea and atmosphere of EVE.
It would take it 1 step closer to WOW than necessary.
I started playing EVE because its a world open for you.
Not a scene set for you. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:04:00 -
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Sandbox ... sandbox .. sandbox ..
The more artificial rules you put into it the less sandbox it is ..
Only those look for 1vs1 that know for sure they are going to win due to overpower in some field. This applies in real life as well as EVE. (and usually the searcher has friends standing by if **** goes the other way) |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:06:00 -
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Going to have to say this thread is dumb. Although, it's nice you're trying figure out new ways to improve the game. |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:17:00 -
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Ahrieman wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:What part of "sandbox" do people not understand? Apparently, just the "sandbox' part
I Google'd a definition of sandbox game.
Can someone explain to me how the idea I have posted breaks these princilple of any of these defintions?
Don't take this be wrong way, but some of you have an false understanding of what sandbox means.
Dictionary
Search Results
Web definitions
An open world is a type of video game level design concept where a player can freely roam a virtual world.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game
(Sandbox games) A video game with nonlinear gameplay (sandbox style) presents players with challenges that can be completed in a number of different sequences. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_games
A video game with no linear storyline or specific goal, the player deriving amusement from a range of open-ended interactions or situations
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sandbox_game
Players are free to go wherever they like within the game environment. These are also referred to as GÇ£free roamGÇ¥ games. The character that you play can navigate around the environment, explore, and complete goals and missions at their own pace. ...
videogametesterjobs1.com/terminology/
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Remmo Prideux II
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:06:00 -
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Quote:
(Sandbox games) "A video game with nonlinear gameplay"
Having a zone for 1v1 PVP ONLY would break that imo.
And lets say even that it WOULDNT break the Sandbox effect.
Even if EVE is scifi, it has somewhat a realistic perspective..
A limitation on 1vs1 PVP in a system only would make no sence at all...
Imagine walking into a bar and seeing a sign on the door:
Fighting is allowed in here, but only 1vs1 !
........................SAY WHAT?
Either the system/"bar" is guarded to prevent combat or not. ^^
This is an MMO. Not an arcade game. |
Zan Hu
Team of Explorers
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:58:00 -
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Does there need to be an entire system dedicated to solo pvp? Why not just spawn a celestial beacon named "Dueling ground" 1-2 jumps from every major trade hub. That way people could hang out there and see instantly if there's suitable opponents availabe. I don't know how the cluster system works but this could also ease the server load on trade hubs.
Personally I'd like to see a proper dueling system without the ridiculous can flippings or corp involvement. Just select your target from overview and challenge him to a fight to death. Shouldn't be too hard to do and would hardly break neither the sandbox nor the very principles of EVE. |
Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
18
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Posted - 2011.12.02 09:35:00 -
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OP, If you don't like Eve PVP then find another game to play.
Arranged 1v1s are usually boring. Most of us prefer the thrill of hunting someone down or playing with gangs to pick off the weaker/stupid members.
There is nothing better than the thrill of thinking you will probably die and then managing to get out with a kill. That is why people roam solo - not so much to find 1v1s as you rarely do, but to get kills against the odds.
Eve PVP at the moment doesn't only rely on fittings and SP - but also on pilot experience, knowledge, skill and intelligence.
Some sort of Arena PVP will boil down to SP and fittings having too much influence on the fight. You would lose all those other factors that give you such an adrenaline rush.
Perhaps Call of Duty would suit you better, or if you hold on for a couple of years, EVE is bringing out Dust for people not quite bright enough to play Eve. |
Themick Mccoy
Ubuntu Inc.
Lonely Maple Conglomeration
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:01:00 -
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@OP: Honestly, this game is horrible solo, but hey, I like people.
Go play an FPS...or duel someone in world of warcraft. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
182
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Posted - 2011.12.02 23:13:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:tomato1 wrote:first of alll half of you are trolls childish people like for real....at any rate i think this is a great idea i totally agree with this post to give the choice to engage players will learn what they should engage and what not too people will start to have thoughts in there head like hes probly got this fit point being i think it would be dope ;))) Dear god man, what sort of sentence structure is that?
against all authorities' |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.02 23:34:00 -
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Themick Mccoy wrote:@OP: Honestly, this game is horrible solo, but hey, I like people.
Go play an FPS...or duel someone in world of warcraft.
I like people too, but I have several dilema's holding me back.
1 - i don't like being bossed around by knuckleheads (my leaderships starts to show pretty quickly when people scratch my surface)
2 - I like freedom when it comes to my game time, I don't have alot of free time usually so I tend to already have things in mind to accomplish with my limited time.
3 - I wouldn't mind starting my own Corp, but with my limited game experience and the nature of eve I would be severely disadvantaged.
I do like Eve. I did learn a good lesson with the new crucible patch. Don't buy any ships on day 1. lol. I lost about 180million isk becuase I couldn't wait one day.
comments welcome. I hope everyone is having fun |
orion scimatarii
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.03 00:15:00 -
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EVEonline is about the immersion
the feel of being around other players and the ever expanding quota of tears for my cup of evil
i for one think this idea can go to the failbin
for a few reasons
1) EVE is an "MMORPG" can the OP please state what this means? no? well it means other people are going to take a dump in your cerial at every chance they get for as much excitement as they can garner from it.
2) the OP doesnt get the idea behind aggro mechanics because shut up
3) the OP is always going to be outnumbered by people who want to kill him because killmails are just irresistable to your average joe... and how many of those are here on the forums let alone the EVEonline universe
4) OP thinks that instances will save you from the vastly superior enemy, then i am mightily laughing in my boots
as the heavy from TF2 says:
"CRY SOME MORE!" |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
182
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:56:00 -
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(you can do this on the test server, op is a dumb ****) |
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:36:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:(you can do this on the test server, op is a dumb ****)
Takes one to know one.
I haven't called anyone names.
If you want to disagree thats fine with me, but don't insult my intelligence.
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Teh Frog
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:50:00 -
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Meng Ren'Du wrote:Killstealing wrote:(you can do this on the test server, op is a dumb ****) Takes one to know one. I haven't called anyone names. If you want to disagree thats fine with me, but don't insult my intelligence.
...and or understanding of the game.
Just sayin'.
tomato1 wrote:first of alll half of you are trolls childish people like for real....at any rate i think this is a great idea i totally agree with this post to give the choice to engage players will learn what they should engage and what not too people will start to have thoughts in there head like hes probly got this fit point being i think it would be dope ;)))
My god... |
Bernie Nator
Insidious Design
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:57:00 -
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Teh Frog wrote:tomato1 wrote:first of alll half of you are trolls childish people like for real....at any rate i think this is a great idea i totally agree with this post to give the choice to engage players will learn what they should engage and what not too people will start to have thoughts in there head like hes probly got this fit point being i think it would be dope ;))) My god...
I KNOW! That's what I said! |
nandodean
Cadetes de San Marcial
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 09:48:00 -
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agree.. this'd be nice |
VegasMirage
Empire Douchebag Eviction Board
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Posted - 2011.12.03 09:57:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Killstealing wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Meng Ren'Du wrote:Onictus wrote:Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.
You want arena's play WoW
I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000? and who are those who are allowed to enter this only system? if all 50000 online eve player decide to have solo pvp who would you limit who get in and who not? Make it a null system close to uh, byx please, or in deklein/fountain Oh man, and it'll totally have a queue to jump in for your fight at a certain spot, and there'll be titans guarding the line like a huge bouncer, with amarr ships shooting lasers and playing bad techno inside while the gallente ships get hit on by caldari bros and this whole idea is the MOST EPIC PVP IDEA EVER.
moar drivel pl0x ^^ |
Bernie Nator
Insidious Design
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:42:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:
moar drivel pl0x ^^
Every time you post it's a self fulfilling prophesy of drivel. |
XDragX
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:51:00 -
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Called Sisi. |
ScheenK
Constantine.
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Posted - 2011.12.05 21:20:00 -
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this is ********, sorry m8 but this shouldnt ever happen, and it wont, this takes away the freeness of eve, there is still plenty of solo pvp, and if you want it so bad, then why not make it yourself? if you dont know what that means than gl to you |
Xolve
Epidemic.
101
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:28:00 -
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PvP has always meant player vs. people. It will never change.
Sometimes the 'people' is one player with 5 accounts.. sometimes its a 50 man blob.
It is what it is, and its always fun as long as your winning, as soon as you start losing a few ships bullshit like this starts getting posted.
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
"VegasMirage > Dude come back, I'll do anything, I'll even be quiet in comms, please lead fleets and run ops again!" |
VIP Ares
BALKAN EXPRESS
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:40:00 -
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Even this looks appealing at first, there is a big danger. Once you make instanced PvP, it starts destroying world PvP.
And out there, tons of game offer instanced arena/battleground/mini game style PvP.
However, EVE is unique with open world snadbox mode PvP. That should be handled carefully. |
Mixu Paatelainen
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:00:00 -
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Denied. |
shal ri
Zanzibar Land
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:38:00 -
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after reading all 5 pages here of flame after flame. im sure u already know this is just not goin to happen based on the reponse u have gotten from all the posts.
to give u more of an understanding of how pvp works u have to think of it like gambling. ie theres a drake rattin in the belts of a low sec sys. most common question that comes to mind. is it bait? if it is how many ppl should i expect to drop on top of me? whos is flying the drake based on those in local? does he have a cyno? if i find him want can i do to GTFO if **** hits the fan?
all questions that a pvper aks when hunting for his/her kill. ( this is a solo situation by the way ) as much as u think an area just for solo pvp would be good, it takes away from all those great unknows that can happen in low sec/nul sec. ( null sec sucks btw y ppl even go out there is beyond me really the lag is unreal plus the fights are boring as **** )
yes 1v1s are epic, but wat makes them good is the fact that they even happened with all the unknown factors the are involed with the situation. i refer back to the drake. lets say i find the *** rattin away. im in my myrm ( drone boat that gets a bonus to repp amount if u dont alreadly know ) i point him and start to drop my dps on him. he aggros back. during the whole fight in spamming my d-scan to see if anything in in route to help the drake at the same time im watching local for any jump in to help the poor drake about to die by my hand.
all this is being done while in watching my cap use, drones distance from target, how fast he is moving and the dmg he is taking. next common question that comes to mind. ok i have him half shields now is he calling for back up? is the back up a cyno? is there a cloaky ship in route? how many cap boosters do i have left? do i want to sell his loot or keep it? i wonder if i can get his pod?
drakes dies, pod shows up on the overview and pod dies not long after. collect loot. collect corpse. dock make contract of corpse back to player for 10 mill and send kill survey.
none of these things can happen in a closed off box arena wheer everything is controlled. try to understand that this is pvp. being outnumbered is the point. coming out on top when the odds are against u is better then a fair *** fest fight where rules are applied.
hence y this is a bad idea. |
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