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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.01 07:19:00 -
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This weekend, out of sheer boredom, I thought I'd go on a little skirmish operation around the goonswarm home system.
I trundled off 26 jumps into the heart of the system to find........
BoB Had the same Idea. There was more of BoB in the local than there was of goon swarwm. I spent the entire weekend bouncing off 15 Safespots. And had to make an early morning break for it at 6 am yesterday.
/me tip his hat to BoB for the insane amount of bubbles in place.
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Jargoon
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 07:20:00 -
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Cool
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munchy
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.08.01 07:24:00 -
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sounds like u gave them hell ---
Originally by: Kaaii (UCC)
We had better things to do with our resources in region. Mining Crimson ark.
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Crange
Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.08.01 07:25:00 -
[4]
You need to buy a ticket to shoot gonnies nowadays.
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EvilNate
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Crange You need to buy a ticket to shoot gonnies nowadays.
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 08:33:00 -
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Our seige would have failed if it wasn't for you putting pressure on the goons by patroling their potential safe spots. We are indebted to you for your efforts.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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K Shara
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 08:48:00 -
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LOL.
So I take it that teh seige is going well.
You want to be careful avon. The goons may try to sell you door to door :)
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 01/08/2006 09:17:10
Originally by: K Shara So I take it that teh seige is going well.
I'll stick some stats up in s-u vs goons at the end of the week for a laugh. Oh and how you will laugh ;)
Maybe not with us but def not at us ;p
<3 TuRtLe HeAd, good to see you are still alive and killing in eve mate.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 01/08/2006 09:21:46
Originally by: DB Preacher I'll stick some stats up in s-u vs goons at the end of the week for a laugh. Oh and how you will laugh ;)
So where have they gone? Have hardly seen any 150man fleets annihilated on your kb. Have they gone to empire or are they still in Metropolis running logistics? Or you keeping them docked in s-u?
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Degaal Valen on 01/08/2006 09:26:42
Originally by: Fred0 So where have they gone? Have hardly seen any 150man fleets annihilated on your kb. Have they gone to empire or are they still in Metropolis running logistics? Or you keeping them docked in s-u?
We've found this interesting asteroid field which yields substantial amounts of an ore called 'veldspar'. I won't go into too much detail for fear of others bandwagoning onto our claim, but we've focused our efforts on mining this most lucrative of asteroids in a solarsystem named Jita.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 01/08/2006 09:21:46
Originally by: DB Preacher I'll stick some stats up in s-u vs goons at the end of the week for a laugh. Oh and how you will laugh ;)
So where have they gone? Have hardly seen any 150man fleets annihilated on your kb. Have they gone to empire or are they still in Metropolis running logistics? Or you keeping them docked in s-u?
They are *slowly* removing their pos from xzh last time I checked and are running around empire getting owned by righteous fury and his boys.
We're still waiting on them coming into S-U in any great numbers but for the moment we're just chaining them and playing online monopoly.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 10:26:00 -
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Risk > Monopoly .... POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.01 10:28:00 -
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Aye, it was indeed an interesting weeked. Im glad that my Safe Spot warping Helped Flush out the Gooners to the BoB.
Was indeed Mighty interesting scanning, Frigs warp towards a fleet, rescanning then seeing capsules so often. Watching a Battle from a scanner can be fun when its of this scale.
And Thanks DBP your still my hero.
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Tjakka
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.01 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tjakka on 01/08/2006 10:30:03
Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 01/08/2006 09:35:31
Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 01/08/2006 09:21:46
Originally by: DB Preacher I'll stick some stats up in s-u vs goons at the end of the week for a laugh. Oh and how you will laugh ;)
So where have they gone? Have hardly seen any 150man fleets annihilated on your kb. Have they gone to empire or are they still in Metropolis running logistics? Or you keeping them docked in s-u?
They are *slowly* removing their pos from xzh last time I checked (I need to send ma cov ops in again and find out if they ever bothered finishing it) and are running around empire getting owned by righteous fury and his boys.
We're still waiting on them coming into S-U in any great numbers but for the moment we're just chaining them and playing online monopoly.
dbp
man you rock im proud of you. why dont you just ask D2 how many pos are left in xzh? thought they nap you too
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Bavarian Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.01 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 01/08/2006 10:40:18
Originally by: DB Preacher They are *slowly* removing their pos from xzh last time I checked...
True. Generous and forgiving as we are, our dreads are helping them to speed things up a bit.
Oh, before I forget... WTS: goon hunting pass. ---
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Dai'mon
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tjakka man you rock im proud of you. why dont you just ask D2 how many pos are left in xzh? thought they nap you too
Your smack is weak, you are clueless... eddz is gonna spank you!
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd And Thanks DBP your still my hero.
Originally by: Tjakka why dont you just ask D2 how many pos are left in xzh? thought they nap you too
That's what happens when you listen to random newbs on the forum. You get duff info ;)
We ain't napped with D2, we still pew pew them if we happen upon them.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Zorlag
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.01 17:00:00 -
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Dear Robert.
Hold on we got lost on the way back. Thank you for your patience
Goodbye.
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K Shara
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 17:13:00 -
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Rofl,
I cant help but picture a hoard of goons in the back of a car going are we there yet? and mrs goon nagging mr goon to stop and ask directions
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Wanmeili
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: K Shara Rofl,
I cant help but picture a hoard of goons in the back of a car going are we there yet? and mrs goon nagging mr goon to stop and ask directions
You may make fun of that now, but do you realize how many rest stops we have to hit on the way home? Sure, you TELL everyone to use the bathroom when we had lunch at the Burger King/Roy Rogers/Sbarro/TCBY/Sunglass Hut building, but they never listen...
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Rutta
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 17:49:00 -
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I personally lost about 6 shuttles or noobie ships to podjumping in and out of SU and nearby areas. 6 Eagles vs 1 Caldari shuttle = getting to where I want to jump to quicker than instas. Thanks for the (almost) free trip.
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ShadowImage
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:32:00 -
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*BEEP* You have reached the Syndicate region. I'm afraid we are currently unable to answer your call as we are currently on vacation in the north. If you would like to leave the system in which we can reach you, we will send a representative as soon as possible.
*Soft Rock music for approximately 2 minutes*
Current average wait time is 4 days, we are sorry for the inconvenience as the number of wardecs has currently overloaded our customer service representatives. I would like to assure you that your visit is very important to us, and we will be with you as soon as possible.
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:34:00 -
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I estimate my personal losses so far to be somewhere in the realm of 20 billion real world dollars.
Excellent service, BoB, A+++++, would get shot at again.
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Alvinas
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:36:00 -
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Hell, I haven't been in S-U in probably two months. I lived in 4C- in Outer Ring for a month or so and then went immediately into the battle in XZH.
We haven't even come home yet.
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John Moscroft
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:43:00 -
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I've been getting killed like crazy. I'm so going to get the most frigate losses. BOYA!
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Jargoon
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: John Moscroft I've been getting killed like crazy. I'm so going to get the most frigate losses. BOYA!
Um yeah come back and talk to me after you break 250 nub
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Tarnish Katharr
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:58:00 -
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You guys will have to wait a few more days, I'm still trying to work out the bugs on my new invention. A conveyor belt that flings frigates straight out of my factories, into your gunsights. Neat huh.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:24:00 -
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Somebody sieged S-U? Hmm, haven't been there in a month. I guess we forgot to lock the door on our way out and BoB broke in when nobody was home.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Sochin
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tarnish Katharr You guys will have to wait a few more days, I'm still trying to work out the bugs on my new invention. A conveyor belt that flings frigates straight out of my factories, into your gunsights. Neat huh.
Sweet. I'll grab my Eagle!
Nemo me impune lacessit
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:27:00 -
[30]
I'll be right back to S-U as soon as I finish reading Blacklight's 17000-word 'eve-blog' about being a CEO in internet space and how he's so mad at goons. It should only take another week or two, I'm almost done.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani I'll be right back to S-U as soon as I finish reading Blacklight's 17000-word 'eve-blog' about being a CEO in internet space and how he's so mad at goons. It should only take another week or two, I'm almost done.
You guy's are very strange, you keep talking about internet space games and comparing it to rl, makes you sound incredibly nerdy tbh.
Iron and G eat babie's , my views are my own, they do not refect my corp or my alliance |
Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:39:00 -
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well, at least they haven't thrown out the fat jokes yet but you know what i really hate? when you can't tell people's posts from their sigs
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher They are *slowly* removing their pos from xzh last time I checked
Last time we checked, we evacuated all but 2 POSs and the majority of the fuel in two nights. Best get some more CovOps and spies into the Goons :D
We just want to have some fun in Empire blowing up all those lovely new targets we have :D Oh, and Goons don't want Syndicat, but you know how much D2 "didn't want XZH", equate that for us to Syndicate.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Oh, and Goons don't want Syndicat, but you know how much D2 "didn't want XZH", equate that for us to Syndicate.
I expected nothing less.
It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
I imagine the next one will be "we're breaking up coz of internal problems, nothing to do with anyone else though!!111"
Enjoy empire, we'll still be here when you get back.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
Somebody hold me.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Sochin
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sochin on 01/08/2006 20:55:33
Originally by: The Mittani I'll be right back to S-U as soon as I finish reading Blacklight's 17000-word 'eve-blog' about being a CEO in internet space and how he's so mad at goons. It should only take another week or two, I'm almost done.
You and your "internet friends" try really hard to remind all of us that this is teh intarweb, and none of it matters.
Then two posts down you'll start bragging about how you killed so many of D2's expensive internet dreadnoughts.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Toffles
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:00:00 -
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Oh man, we killed so many D2 internet dreadnoughts.
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mynnna
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin Edited by: Sochin on 01/08/2006 20:55:33
Originally by: The Mittani I'll be right back to S-U as soon as I finish reading Blacklight's 17000-word 'eve-blog' about being a CEO in internet space and how he's so mad at goons. It should only take another week or two, I'm almost done.
You and your "internet friends" try really hard to remind all of us that this is teh intarweb, and none of it matters.
Then two posts down you'll start bragging about how you killed so many of D2's expensive internet dreadnoughts.
d00d did u here, we killd liek 12 dreds or somthign!!111
ps this is a non-serious post. :P
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
Don't flatter yourself, my worst nightmare involves Maury Povich juggling huge poisonous snakes while chanting satanic incantations.
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2Shae
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: DB Preacher It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
Don't flatter yourself, my worst nightmare involves Maury Povich juggling huge poisonous snakes while chanting satanic incantations.
Wasnt that your fantisy?
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Thomas McMiner
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
Oh kind sir, please don't sit around hour after hour after hour staring at a bubblecamp in unconquerable NPC space while we are off enjoying ourselves elsewhere. What ever will we do?
Surely, BoB sitting in S-U while we cause unholy terror through eve is MY worst nightmare. In fact, I'm getting cold sweats as we speak.
I hope your internet space grudge goes well for you guys though.
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hangovur
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:41:00 -
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ok we get it, you dont care cuz its NPC space and its just an interweb space grudge.
any chance you could come to S-U and have a big interweb space battle?
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Floppy Disk
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol well, at least they haven't thrown out the fat jokes yet
Remedial is fat.
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Urikko
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Urikko on 01/08/2006 21:47:55
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: DB Preacher It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
Somebody hold me.
Dude they have kickboxing girlfriends AND SEE THE SUNLIGHT! We should be afraid.
Edit: I heard we killed dreads? So I can brag right? c/d
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Vahl
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:08:00 -
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It would be a serious blunder to haphazardly charge headfirst into Syndicate and BoB's superior firepower while still in the middle of a tactical withdrawal from XZH don't you think? Perhaps we are regrouping and formulating a plan instead of going off half*****ed and playing right into BoB's hands. While we were gone BoB moved in and has the entire system camped. While kamikaze tactics are indeed a mainstay of ours wholesale suicide for absolutely no gain is not.
You will get your fight in SU, but its going to be on our time when we are ready, so you sit there and have fun watching a bubble and wait for us, and like it.
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Now you realize that evil will always triumph because good is dumb. |
Haks'he Lirky
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:09:00 -
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I find it funny how a bunch of forum *****s mock other peoples social lifes.
You are the guys who pay to subscribe to a internet geek infestation, for no other reason then to chat about stuff you proberly have never done, but rather proclaim you do to increase your e-peen.
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Vahl
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:12:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
You are the guys who pay to subscribe to a internet geek infestation, for no other reason then to chat about stuff you proberly have never done, but rather proclaim you do .
Like kickboxing and dating supermodels?
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Now you realize that evil will always triumph because good is dumb. |
Harliquin's Shadow
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:14:00 -
[48]
"Apparently" D2 have, on balance, been better fighters than BoB.
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Haks'he Lirky
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:25:00 -
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And where has anyone said they date a supermodel or do kicking boxing ?
Just makes me laugh that proberly the biggest selection of geeks on the whole of the internet have the capacity to comment on others lifes, just to increase there e-coolness in a online game full of "internet pixels".
I belive it is yourselfs who have the inferiority complex, an that it is yourselfs who pretend to be somthing that your not, just to make you feel better about your own lifes.
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Tiberius Caesar
Sothebys
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:28:00 -
[50]
Originally by: The Mittani I'll be right back to S-U as soon as I finish reading Blacklight's 17000-word 'eve-blog' about being a CEO in internet space and how he's so mad at goons. It should only take another week or two, I'm almost done.
Yet you cared enough to make this post.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:28:00 -
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Although they try to cover it up with the usual sick local smack or stroking there e-peen's, its amusing to watch because you start to notice quite a few are getting frustrated. They will deny it of course but it show's, they especially get upset when no one but there fellow nerdswarm member's reply to them, poor babie's need attention.
Iron and G eat babie's , my views are my own, they do not refect my corp or my alliance |
Vahl
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:31:00 -
[52]
Stop reading forums and watch that bubble. We'll be appearing any minute now, I promise.
Just keep watching it... Watch it closely. I swear we are almost there.
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Now you realize that evil will always triumph because good is dumb. |
SaorAlba
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:34:00 -
[53]
Edited by: SaorAlba on 01/08/2006 22:34:38
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Originally by: DB Preacher They are *slowly* removing their pos from xzh last time I checked
Last time we checked, we evacuated all but 2 POSs and the majority of the fuel in two nights. Best get some more CovOps and spies into the Goons :D
We just want to have some fun in Empire blowing up all those lovely new targets we have :D Oh, and Goons don't want Syndicat, but you know how much D2 "didn't want XZH", equate that for us to Syndicate.
I hate bad losers. Last time I checked you lost all but two Posses m8. You see, we took Cloud Ring back because you forget to say "thank you". What you Goonies lack is Eve history. Everything my corp owns we all worked our asses off for. Do you honestly think we would crumble because a station isn't a day, a week, or a month in our hands? That the loss of a few dreads would be the end of us? We finished off Valhalla, FOE, FE, ERA, Sparta, VOID. Took on ASCN, Stain and BOB. WTF do you think your dealing with? We kicked you out Deklein, Fade, Tribute, and now Cloud ring and the only thing you keep hamering on is the fact we lost a few dreads in laggy conditions your still crying over when we turned the odds and you had to face them! You exploit and provoke without being corrected by your leaders. You have no tast other than bad tast. That's why you are Eve space trash to me. I think it is very sad that an organisation doing such good things for newbie's has turned into this. Here is my honest advice. - Kick Remedial as he can't control him self or his members. - Forbid your members to post in the Allaince section again as 99% is clueless and does more harm then good. - Eject members who produce " funny sigs" and video's with no other purpose to grief.
Clean out the stable and get a grip on your playerbase. Good luck and till we meet again:)
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:51:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Vahl You will get your fight in SU, but its going to be on our time when we are ready, so you sit there and have fun watching a bubble and wait for us, and like it.
Translation:
We will wait until BoB get bored and move along, then charge in and claim victory!
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:51:00 -
[55]
Originally by: SaorAlba Edited by: SaorAlba on 01/08/2006 22:34:38
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Originally by: DB Preacher They are *slowly* removing their pos from xzh last time I checked
Last time we checked, we evacuated all but 2 POSs and the majority of the fuel in two nights. Best get some more CovOps and spies into the Goons :D
We just want to have some fun in Empire blowing up all those lovely new targets we have :D Oh, and Goons don't want Syndicat, but you know how much D2 "didn't want XZH", equate that for us to Syndicate.
I hate bad losers. Last time I checked you lost all but two Posses m8. You see, we took Cloud Ring back because you forget to say "thank you". What you Goonies lack is Eve history. Everything my corp owns we all worked our asses off for. Do you honestly think we would crumble because a station isn't a day, a week, or a month in our hands? That the loss of a few dreads would be the end of us? We finished off Valhalla, FOE, FE, ERA, Sparta, VOID. Took on ASCN, Stain and BOB. WTF do you think your dealing with? We kicked you out Deklein, Fade, Tribute, and now Cloud ring and the only thing you keep hamering on is the fact we lost a few dreads in laggy conditions your still crying over when we turned the odds and you had to face them! You exploit and provoke without being corrected by your leaders. You have no tast other than bad tast. That's why you are Eve space trash to me. I think it is very sad that an organisation doing such good things for newbie's has turned into this. Here is my honest advice. - Kick Remedial as he can't control him self or his members. - Forbid your members to post in the Allaince section again as 99% is clueless and does more harm then good. - Eject members who produce " funny sigs" and video's with no other purpose to grief.
Clean out the stable and get a grip on your playerbase. Good luck and till we meet again:)
Translation: raah raaaaah I'm older than you respect me
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed D2 is made up of mostly other failed corps and alliances from the past and snickers accordingly. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes |
Toffles
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:00:00 -
[56]
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Vahl You will get your fight in SU, but its going to be on our time when we are ready, so you sit there and have fun watching a bubble and wait for us, and like it.
Translation:
We will wait until BoB get bored and move along, then charge in and claim victory!
I think bob stated they would stay 3-6 months/eternity, so it's not like they're going away any time soon. If we haven't attacked in 6 months after bob has left I will personally necromancy this thread and apologize.
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ShadowImage
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:02:00 -
[57]
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Vahl You will get your fight in SU, but its going to be on our time when we are ready, so you sit there and have fun watching a bubble and wait for us, and like it.
Translation:
We will wait until BoB get bored and move along, then charge in and claim victory!
There is no translation. This is as personal as it gets.
Goodbye.
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xttz
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:22:00 -
[58]
Originally by: SaorAlba Currently Training: Basic Discussion Forum Posting II 3 months, 5 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, 55 seconds
So after all your criticism, all the faults you see in us, and all our internal problems you think you know about, consider this:
- Goonswarm are the ones who kicked you from an rather profitable system
- Goonswarm kept you out of it for three weeks.
- Goonswarm are comprised of a majority of players with Eve experience measured in weeks, rather than the months and years of D2.
- Goonswarm forced you to spend an obscene amount of ISK on POS towers and fuel rather than risk anymore fleet losses against us.
- Goonswarm did this with a military force based around Tech 1 frigates and cheap fittings.
So after all of that, are we pretty damn good to compete with the likes of you, or are you pretty **** to be stalled by 'space trash' like us? |
Oplem Brutarii
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:33:00 -
[59]
Originally by: DB Preacher Enjoy empire, we'll still be here when you get back.
dbp
Awesome! Can't wait to see you again.
dbp
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SaorAlba
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:34:00 -
[60]
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: SaorAlba Currently Training: Basic Discussion Forum Posting II 3 months, 5 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, 55 seconds
So after all your criticism, all the faults you see in us, and all our internal problems you think you know about, consider this:
- Goonswarm are the ones who kicked you from an rather profitable system
- Goonswarm kept you out of it for three weeks.
- Goonswarm are comprised of a majority of players with Eve experience measured in weeks, rather than the months and years of D2.
- Goonswarm forced you to spend an obscene amount of ISK on POS towers and fuel rather than risk anymore fleet losses against us.
- Goonswarm did this with a military force based around Tech 1 frigates and cheap fittings.
So after all of that, are we pretty damn good to compete with the likes of you, or are you pretty **** to be stalled by 'space trash' like us?
At most you entertained us for a few weeks. In the end you achieved nothing and lost everything. Now hush hush and go mine veldspar for the swarm. You lose, we win. Plain and simple
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Shimpu
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:35:00 -
[61]
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: SaorAlba Currently Training: Basic Discussion Forum Posting II 3 months, 5 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, 55 seconds
So after all your criticism, all the faults you see in us, and all our internal problems you think you know about, consider this:
- Goonswarm are the ones who kicked you from an rather profitable system
- Goonswarm kept you out of it for three weeks.
- Goonswarm are comprised of a majority of players with Eve experience measured in weeks, rather than the months and years of D2.
- Goonswarm forced you to spend an obscene amount of ISK on POS towers and fuel rather than risk anymore fleet losses against us.
- Goonswarm did this with a military force based around Tech 1 frigates and cheap fittings.
So after all of that, are we pretty damn good to compete with the likes of you, or are you pretty **** to be stalled by 'space trash' like us?
Who's your daddy!? Face it... you ran against a wall and don't even have somewhere to go after your defeat except empire. I hope you achieve more 'great' victories like this type
Originally by: Unknown Scout "ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming." |
Ouroboron
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:37:00 -
[62]
Posting in a chest thumping thread.
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Cincle
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:44:00 -
[63]
Originally by: SaorAlba
At most you entertained us for a few weeks. In the end you achieved nothing and lost everything. Now hush hush and go mine veldspar for the swarm. You lose, we win. Plain and simple
Okay, you won the system, but we maintained sov for a couple of weeks, which wasn't expected from a "noob allience", and it took quite a bit of efford / firepower to finally drive us out of the system.
So I don't think we'll see this as a "loss" per se.
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terminal mehmet
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:45:00 -
[64]
Edited by: terminal mehmet on 01/08/2006 23:46:02
Originally by: SaorAlba
- Eject members who produce " funny sigs" and video's with no other purpose to grief.
edit: stupid forum ate my post
Actually, we already do that. I'm sure things will get lively sooner or later. But we had a pretty big withdrawal to deal with; so we're not exactly rushing back into S-U with fully charged freighters to be ground into BoB's space dust.
It was fun talking you ya'll in local on the day XZH died though.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:48:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Crivens on 01/08/2006 23:50:40
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Oh, and Goons don't want Syndicat, but you know how much D2 "didn't want XZH", equate that for us to Syndicate.
I expected nothing less.
It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
This post isn't meant as smack, nor as passive agressive excusing.
Bob camping s-u is far from my worst fear, and not even high up in my eve fear list.
Since bob has come to s-u i've been taking some time with some other goons who are on the same timezone as I to go low sec and 0.0 ganking. We're pretty much all less than three months old, with a move experienced cov-ops pilot. We're having loads of fun and learning loads. The richness of xzh and s-u has left my wallet bloated, I can afford to fit and fly empire price cruisers for the forseeable future.
I think most of goonfleet is doing this kind of thing. This is the first time EVER in this game my pvp has not been centred around defending s-u, or attacking outer ring, or attacking xzh-. It's kind of liberating to not be in a hundreds strong gang for once; though a lot scarier too.
I'm having a blast, exploring an aspect of the game I haven't had chance to thus far and getting some really good experience in pvp. Fleet battles where the extent of my actions were lag...lag...lock...lag...lag...scramble/web....lag....lag.... didn't make me that much of a player I'm sure.
Hopefully this will.
Whilst my main is elsewhere in the stars, I have frigate flying alts in s-u dying in free frigates and newbie ships to bob. You should see the gang chat we're having out here, we're competing to get killed the most and not even discussing the game whilst filling your killboards with worthless ships. It's a hilarious time.
After the pressure of xzh-, s-u and suicide frigate rushes are, frankly, relaxing. My alts clones are free, and the frigates he flys are free. Pod him all you want!
Hopefully by the time my main comes back to s-u he'll be able to fly fully t2 fitted cruisers and intys, and i'll have the experience to use those fittings to the fullest.
It is a fine time to be a goon.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:53:00 -
[66]
Originally by: xttz
- Goonswarm are the ones who kicked you from an rather profitable system
By taking advantage of offline POS that were being transferred from D2 to YouWhat. Hardly "kicking them out" by force.
- Goonswarm kept you out of it for three weeks.
There were no D2 in XZH?
- Goonswarm are comprised of a majority of players with Eve experience measured in weeks, rather than the months and years of D2.
You can't use that anymore. We know better.
- Goonswarm forced you to spend an obscene amount of ISK on POS towers and fuel rather than risk anymore fleet losses against us.
Systems aren't won by fleet battles. GS is so ever effective at proving that, otherwise they would have been gone on day one.
- Goonswarm did this with a military force based around Tech 1 frigates and cheap fittings.
And SMASH dreads, and again, you can use the T1 frigs excuse anymore, we know better.
So after all of that, are we pretty damn good to compete with the likes of you, or are you pretty **** to be stalled by 'space trash' like us?
Don't get me wrong, you definitely made it a chore for D2 to remove you from XZH, but it's hardly the accomplishment you make it out to be.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:53:00 -
[67]
Originally by: terminal mehmet
It was fun talking you ya'll in local on the day XZH died though.
That was mostly RAZOR. Those guys are a lot more laid back than d2, who took us being in xzh- rather more personally.
I think razor just wanted the fights, and were as amused/disapointed by the lag as we were.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.01 23:59:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Shimpu Edited by: Shimpu on 01/08/2006 23:36:25
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: SaorAlba Currently Training: Basic Discussion Forum Posting II 3 months, 5 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, 55 seconds
So after all your criticism, all the faults you see in us, and all our internal problems you think you know about, consider this:
- Goonswarm are the ones who kicked you from an rather profitable system
- Goonswarm kept you out of it for three weeks.
- Goonswarm are comprised of a majority of players with Eve experience measured in weeks, rather than the months and years of D2.
- Goonswarm forced you to spend an obscene amount of ISK on POS towers and fuel rather than risk anymore fleet losses against us.
- Goonswarm did this with a military force based around Tech 1 frigates and cheap fittings.
So after all of that, are we pretty damn good to compete with the likes of you, or are you pretty **** to be stalled by 'space trash' like us?
Who's your daddy!? Face it... you ran against a wall and don't even have somewhere to go after your defeat except empire. I hope you achieve more 'great' victories like this
I just bookmarked this post so that I can make you eat these words at some future point Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes |
Sinlare
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:03:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Translation: raah raaaaah I'm older than you respect me
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed D2 is made up of mostly other failed corps and alliances from the past and snickers accordingly.
Erhm...
Isn't it your alliance that, after going out to play somewhere without bos/OSS on your side, made nice progress but managed to f*** things up completely? It's not like you've accomplished something, other then to try and fail miserably :/
It's nice that you insult, like you said, older alliances, but you can't do it the way you do without actually making something of yourself first, without the help of others. And we've all seen now how that went...
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Ouroboron
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:05:00 -
[70]
Originally by: NATMav Don't get me wrong, you definitely made it a chore for D2 to remove you from XZH, but it's hardly the accomplishment you make it out to be.
Cool. Which T1 Noob Frigate corps have accomplished more do you think?
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Soob
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:11:00 -
[71]
I personally look forward to some fun pvp. I find the only way to better myself at this game is through experience and hard knocks. Although I won't be charging head first into a bubblecamp anytime soon, I'll do my best to give you guys some entertaining fights.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:11:00 -
[72]
Goons please stop chest beating :)
We had fun in xzh- but now we are not in xzh- therefore d2 won.
Congratulations d2!
I hope we play again together soon :)
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Sinlare
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ouroboron
Originally by: NATMav Don't get me wrong, you definitely made it a chore for D2 to remove you from XZH, but it's hardly the accomplishment you make it out to be.
Cool. Which T1 Noob Frigate corps have accomplished more do you think?
So... if i go look at the killboards of the people you've been fighting with in xzh, i will only find t1 frigs, right? right....? Hang your head in shame if i find any cruisers or battleships on there. |
Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:17:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Degaal Valen on 02/08/2006 00:17:42 Edited by: Degaal Valen on 02/08/2006 00:16:59
Originally by: fire 59 your a ******* moron, define nerd, do they kickbox, weight train, go running, do the marathon, work hard, socialise, you ******* **** !!
Anyways not to interrupt my impending internet doom for the actions of someone who isn't even in my alliance anymore, but I do think being derisively called nerd by an MMO player is one of those pot and kettle situations magnified by like 1000x.
I mean anyone who comes to a discussion board to argue about their imaginary spaceships is pretty much a giant nerd. Myself included. o7
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LightMee
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:23:00 -
[75]
Edited by: LightMee on 02/08/2006 00:23:54 This is how Goonswarm is funding the war against BoB
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=372893
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Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:25:00 -
[76]
Why are so many of the people in the "uber" alliances so completely without any form of grace or humour? Every time you have a victory you crow about it, no matter how much of a disadvantage your opponent was working with (in XZH we had a surprise start, around 10% of our opponents' skillpoints, pilot for pilot, a tiny fraction of their isk and, unless I'm mistaken, fewer overall pilots than the seven or so alliances we were facing, not counting BoB's entry against us in the last couple of days). We lost XZH. Frankly we were amazed and pleased to hold it as long as we did. So well done to D2 and BoB, but my goodness do a lot of you have absolutely ****ty attitudes. Frankly I think most of you have forgotten the pure joy of emerging into an incredible game like Eve, because the bitterness and hate are strong in you.
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Marovinchian
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:27:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Cincle
Originally by: SaorAlba
At most you entertained us for a few weeks. In the end you achieved nothing and lost everything. Now hush hush and go mine veldspar for the swarm. You lose, we win. Plain and simple
Okay, you won the system, but we maintained sov for a couple of weeks, which wasn't expected from a "noob allience", and it took quite a bit of efford / firepower to finally drive us out of the system.
So I don't think we'll see this as a "loss" per se.
when you lose it's not a loss if you put "per se" after it......
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Sinlare
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:29:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Herberge Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 00:27:21 ^^^Edit - wow, what a perfect example^^^
Why are so many of the people in the "uber" alliances so completely without any form of grace or humour? Every time you have a victory you crow about it, no matter how much of a disadvantage your opponent was working with (in XZH we had a surprise start, around 10% of our opponents' skillpoints, pilot for pilot, a tiny fraction of their isk and, unless I'm mistaken, fewer overall pilots than the seven or so alliances we were facing, not counting BoB's entry against us in the last couple of days). We lost XZH. Frankly we were amazed and pleased to hold it as long as we did. So well done to D2 and BoB, but my goodness do a lot of you have absolutely ****ty attitudes. Frankly I think most of you have forgotten the pure joy of emerging into an incredible game like Eve, because the bitterness and hate are strong in you.
I guess you've missed the 100 threads and 3250 replies on the forums about your t1 frig uberness by your dear alliance mates.
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Ranstaton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:29:00 -
[79]
Originally by: LightMee Edited by: LightMee on 02/08/2006 00:23:54 This is how Goonswarm is funding the war against BoB
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=372893
stop the ******* presses
this is horrible and i am leaving goonfleet now, thank you for bringing this to my attention
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Marovinchian
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:32:00 -
[80]
if your alliance showed a bit more grace, humility, and for the love of god plain human decency....maybe you wouldn't have the enemies you have
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Degaal Valen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:38:00 -
[81]
I just want to know if it's possible to have a war between alliances where each side doesn't seem to want to punch the other in the face in real life if they met.
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fmercury
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:41:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Degaal Valen I just want to know if it's possible to have a war between alliances where each side doesn't seem to want to punch the other in the face in real life if they met.
Yes, it happens all the time. Goonfleet is the exception to the rule.
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Kyguard
LFC 3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:43:00 -
[83]
What's with the D2 smack? Only reason you took XZH back is because BoB stepped on Goonswarm's toes. ===
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Aversin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 00:50:00 -
[84]
So thats why there were so many BoB, I jumped into that and my heart jumped. Lucky me I made it out, had to go back for a screenshot though.
Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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CitzNo 097864
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:14:00 -
[85]
Edited by: CitzNo 097864 on 02/08/2006 01:14:30
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Oh, and Goons don't want Syndicat, but you know how much D2 "didn't want XZH", equate that for us to Syndicate.
I expected nothing less.
It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.
I imagine the next one will be "we're breaking up coz of internal problems, nothing to do with anyone else though!!111"
Enjoy empire, we'll still be here when you get back.
dbp
IT'S HUUUUUUUUGE!
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:14:00 -
[86]
Honestly, what happened to the Goonfleet I thought I knew?
Back when you guys were a bunch of a little bees crying about sovereignty skills I always thought the idea and the plight of the Goons was somewhat cute and a little charming. Then it seems your members discovered the Corporation & Alliances forum, and now you're this ugly multi-headed poison-spewing monster. ____________________________
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:42:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Herberge Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 00:27:21 ^^^Edit - wow, what a perfect example^^^
Why are so many of the people in the "uber" alliances so completely without any form of grace or humour? Every time you have a victory you crow about it, no matter how much of a disadvantage your opponent was working with (in XZH we had a surprise start, around 10% of our opponents' skillpoints, pilot for pilot, a tiny fraction of their isk and, unless I'm mistaken, fewer overall pilots than the seven or so alliances we were facing, not counting BoB's entry against us in the last couple of days). We lost XZH. Frankly we were amazed and pleased to hold it as long as we did. So well done to D2 and BoB, but my goodness do a lot of you have absolutely ****ty attitudes. Frankly I think most of you have forgotten the pure joy of emerging into an incredible game like Eve, because the bitterness and hate are strong in you.
I can remember many time where there were statements of respect for worthy opponents. But in those cases the opponents earned respect and played a good game. Such fights are usually marked by a distinct lack of smack by both the defeated and the winner (A polite comment in sea of smack does not count......)
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Nahual
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:45:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Kyguard What's with the D2 smack? Only reason you took XZH back is because BoB stepped on Goonswarm's toes.
Get a clue about what happened in XZH.
We tried to take it back the way CCP intended (dreads) - which was squashed by lag/other issues, so when we went down to it we did it the way that we could easily. POS war, do we enjoy that? No, but there was no doubt that we could do it at any stage we wish. -----------------------------------------------
FateCorp
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Anille Kole
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:47:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Herberge Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 00:27:21 ^^^Edit - wow, what a perfect example^^^
Why are so many of the people in the "uber" alliances so completely without any form of grace or humour? Every time you have a victory you crow about it, no matter how much of a disadvantage your opponent was working with (in XZH we had a surprise start, around 10% of our opponents' skillpoints, pilot for pilot, a tiny fraction of their isk and, unless I'm mistaken, fewer overall pilots than the seven or so alliances we were facing, not counting BoB's entry against us in the last couple of days). We lost XZH. Frankly we were amazed and pleased to hold it as long as we did. So well done to D2 and BoB, but my goodness do a lot of you have absolutely ****ty attitudes. Frankly I think most of you have forgotten the pure joy of emerging into an incredible game like Eve, because the bitterness and hate are strong in you.
I'm guessing they have "no grace or humour" because you're treating them like crap, with posts like "Translation: raah raaaaah I'm older than you respect me." that will spin any legitimate counter into chest thumping. Also, no "humour" isn't really from them not having humour, but from your version of it tending to be things such as constantly referring to kick-boxing girlfriends or copying someone's signature into every one of your posts, among other things that are either too offensive or too ridiculous to mention. I think they don't have a good attitude towards you because, frankly, your entire alliance has the tendency to (figuratively) take a crap, light it on fire, and then throw it at your enemy and act like you were being nice to them for doing so.
Oh, wait, I can't attack you because you're "a bunch of poor newbies", I'm "waving my SP in GoonSwarm's face", I'm doing something that starts with "e-" that makes no sense, or I'm just beating my chest. I say you give it a rest on all this worthless propaganda, you're not doing well on the forum front, and you're doing much worse than you say on the ingame front. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
ProphetGuru
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:52:00 -
[90]
As part of my service to the Eve community, I will translate this example of a goon post, without charge, and free of any obligation.
Originally by: Vahl It would be a serious blunder to haphazardly charge headfirst into Syndicate and BoB's superior firepower
"We're mostly talk."
Quote: while still in the middle of a tactical withdrawal
"While we run away from D2 space with our tails between our legs."
Quote: Perhaps we are regrouping and formulating a plan
"We have no clue what to do. How come our forum posts haven't scared BoB away."
Quote: While we were gone BoB moved in and has the entire system camped.
"We got PWNed at home"
Quote: While kamikaze tactics are indeed a mainstay of ours wholesale suicide for absolutely no gain is not.
"Someone told us ammo is cheaper then frigates, so we can't use our usual tactics."
Quote: You will get your fight in SU, but its going to be on our time when we are ready,
"I've seen the above phrase posted by every other alliance BoB has ROCKED so far in game, so I gonna try it again and hope people buy into my bull****."
Quote: so you sit there and have fun watching a bubble
PG-With people like Siddy in BoB, this is actually not a problem.
Quote: and wait for us, and like it.
"Even tho my corpmates are making fun of this internet spaceship game, I'm gonna use the last line here to show I am a real tough guy. No really. Stop Laughing at us."
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Ilvari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:55:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Nahual Edited by: Nahual on 02/08/2006 01:45:27
Originally by: Kyguard What's with the D2 smack? Only reason you took XZH back is because BoB stepped on Goonswarm's toes.
Get a clue about what happened in XZH.
We tried to take it back the way CCP intended (dreads) - which was squashed by lag/other issues, so when we went down to it we did it the way that we could easily. POS war, do we enjoy that? No, but there was no doubt that we could do it at any stage we wish. (And that was GS prefered tactic aswell)
I don't get the lag-whines from D2 in any case. Do you think you'd have saved a single of the 19 dreadnoughts in the first POS siege if it wasn't for our scramblers taking 10 minutes to activate. How likely would it be for a dreads to switch off their siege module and go to warp before someone has a tackle on them.
The whole battle ended up when your dreads went out of siege and warped off one by one and no goons could do anything about it since lag stopped us from scrambling them. So in a way, lag may have caused 4 dreadnoughts to die because their schildboosters didn't activate, but it also saved 15 others. Stop this idiotic meme that D2 were the only victims of lag, both sides suffered equally.
P.S. good to see that the new anti-alt policy on this forum works so well
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 01:55:00 -
[92]
I promised Stan that I would not get involved in a flame war with goons, so IĘm only going to tell it how it is as civilized as I can.
I admit it, I always liked Goonfleet, ever since our cooperation in fighting FE, NBSI, PA with ATUK. However, in the last week, that have changed to the point that I would not mind if goons left EVE all together. ItĘs a shame that the few bad apples can ruin reputation and gaming experience of all of the good people in Goonswarm. ItĘs not even the sig that caused all the trouble, because I understand, not condone itĘs use on goons private forums. ItĘs the rubbish that the rest of EVE had to listen to for the last week on EVE forums that caused my feelings about goons to change.
A little friendly advise to goons leadership. Reel in the trolls and the kiddies that continue to post crap on the forums, because in RL they donĘt have the guts to say the same disrespectful things to peoples face and have to hide behind a computer screen to feel tough. All is not lost yet. Fight with honor and respect and you shall receive the same from your opponents. Otherwise, as we are already seeing, the rest of EVE will turn against you and I donĘt mean BoB, D2 etc, I mean ALL of EVE will make this game unplayable for you because of the conduct of few idiots.
If itĘs goons leadership that is fueling this, then itĘs up to itĘs members to recognize and correct the problem. EVE members have a very long memory when it comes to forum wars. Targets for wars are usually picked not as much by actions in game, but by big mouths on the forums and it will follow goons for the rest of their existence in EVE and maybe even beyond. DonĘt let that happened, because I know that goons are better then that. Now, all you have to do is prove it and maybe you can earn the respect back. ItĘs not about EVE politics, itĘs about human respect for the game that makes all of us gamers feel like a community. DonĘt ruin it, because in the end, we are all same kind of people that would have a blast if we could meet in RL and have a beer together in a pub discussing EVE. We all make mistakes, but it takes a bigger men to admit when they are wrong. DonĘt become the outsiders.
The truth will set you free
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Ilvari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:02:00 -
[93]
Originally by: ProphetGuru PG-With people like Siddy in BoB, this is actually not a problem.
The funny thing is you think this is something to be proud of when someone has nothing better going on with their life other than sitting in front of their computer for 16 hours straight every day, watching a stargate for activations.
And no, you don't need to answer to this, I already know you have supermodels giving you massages while you camp stargates, and that your 3 girlfriends are ok with it since no man can pleasure them as well as you anyway
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Kai Jyokoroi
133rd Ghost Wing
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:03:00 -
[94]
Aside from the fact that I don't have anything to do with this region or this fight, I think this thread is funny because of the way the goonies amusing offhand comments have made BoB, D2 et al fall hook line and sinker into getting outraged and spouting off that The Goons are nerds and space-trash.
In case you've forgotten, guys, they're from Something Awful. SOMETHING AWFUL, ffs! Griefing people in any form is pretty much their modus operandi. Do you think any of them care at all about anything any of you do to them?
I mean, srsly. _____________ The day I receive my first moderator forum-sig hijack is the day I realise I have won Eve.
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Caesar Galactus
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:09:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Metal Dude blah blah internet respect blah blah "DonĘt become the outsiders."
Bull****. Goons have been outsiders ever since they started to have an influence on Eve. The moment the cirle-jerking old boys' club in 0.0 noticed that Goonfleet's swarms were a threat to them the threads, flames, and accusations began. At that point we were all muzzled and couldn't respond in kind, but that ended recently and we could finally speak up and defend ourselves from all the ***** that you forum monkeys throw around. The "respect" you and veterans speak of is nothing but the desire for other corporations to fellate the powers-that-be.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:12:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 02:12:35 I have to agree with Metal Dude on the fact that many conflicts that arise in EVE are because of the forum talk and not so much EVE-Universe politics. In my personal opinion anything on this intergalatic discussion board should be taken as fodder, because anyone and everyone can easily make a post and everyone will automatically assume that it reflects EVERYTHING and EVERYONE in that corp. This is a sad fact of this forum.
However, there is more than just forum talk which has lead to the GS-BoB conflict, most of which is far above me as I am merely a few months old in those universe. In this conflict, the "facts" is what has been disgustingly diluted and manipulated by the arrogance and misrepresentation of others and those individuals who wish to see the Goons under constant pressure and attack. I would even go so far as to say that perhaps, and this is merely my own speculation, that these actions have been put in motion by those outside of GoonSwarm and the Band of Brothers. An opportunity presented itself for the BoB leadership to be enraged by the actions of "Goons" and a decision was made for others to make small jabs, individually unaffecting, but together in the situation of the times: deadly.
EVE has become an increasingly interesting world, a world to which I think I will stay in for some time. However, with the recent course of events I don't think I can say the same for a great many people: on both sides of this conflict...
EDIT: Can someone PLEASE tell me how I can get my portrait to show up here?? I'm getting very tired of seeing me represented by an exclaimation mark!!
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Trina Tron
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:15:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 02:12:35
EDIT: Can someone PLEASE tell me how I can get my portrait to show up here?? I'm getting very tired of seeing me represented by an exclaimation mark!!
It'll show up when the database updates. I think that will happen in September when kali comes out.
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CitzNo 097864
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:25:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Caesar Galactus
Originally by: Metal Dude blah blah internet respect blah blah "DonĘt become the outsiders."
Bull****. Goons have been outsiders ever since they started to have an influence on Eve. The moment the cirle-jerking old boys' club in 0.0 noticed that Goonfleet's swarms were a threat to them the threads, flames, and accusations began. At that point we were all muzzled and couldn't respond in kind, but that ended recently and we could finally speak up and defend ourselves from all the ***** that you forum monkeys throw around. The "respect" you and veterans speak of is nothing but the desire for other corporations to fellate the powers-that-be.
How ******* stupid are you? Stop posting.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:26:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Trina Tron It'll show up when the database updates. I think that will happen in September when kali comes out.
Damn't. Oh well, I will be the Exclaimation Man until such time. I'll be known across the forums as "that guy with the point white head and a dot for a body". Fun times...
However I would like to add something else to the discussion. I was very happy when D2 didn't come to the forums and go "GOONS LOST XZH, WE ARE THE BEST, LOL GOONS, YOU SUCK". I honestly thought that they would have pulled something like this, but I was wrong and am happy that I was.
I'm a Goon and being one requires a skill not many alliances have in EVE, its that "HATE THE D2 ALLIANCE", and it requires Level 5. We have a deep-rooted passionate hate for D2 and I have yet to see any other alliance fall into their category (that being Goons passionately hate them). NORAD was that alliance next door we wanted to have fun shooting, but we never really "hated" them as per say. They were just in space we wanted to expand into. BoB is the biker from down the way that made angry and now he's waiting outside our house, but again: we don't hate him.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that if it was D2 trying to camp us and make us engage in Syndicate, every Bee from across the Galaxy would be in there throwing frigate blob after frigate blob at their hundred-million dollar ships. We would not stop until every last one of them was dead and their capsule fluid splattered all over the gates they tried to escape with. With BoB, it's like "we know he's there, we know they're trying to get us to fight, but we don't have a quarrel with them: so why fight?". They may have a problem with us, but we don't have a problem with them and that's what we're seeing in Syndicate.
We don't want to fight them, because they are not our enemies.
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:29:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Imode Honestly, what happened to the Goonfleet I thought I knew?
Back when you guys were a bunch of a little bees crying about sovereignty skills I always thought the idea and the plight of the Goons was somewhat cute and a little charming. Then it seems your members discovered the Corporation & Alliances forum, and now you're this ugly multi-headed poison-spewing monster.
I feel the same way
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Treylis
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:31:00 -
[101]
So have you BoB guys been appreciating the Shakespeare I've been reading in local?
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:33:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Caesar Galactus Bull****. Goons have been outsiders ever since they started to have an influence on Eve. The moment the cirle-jerking old boys' club in 0.0 noticed that Goonfleet's swarms were a threat to them the threads, flames, and accusations began. At that point we were all muzzled and couldn't respond in kind, but that ended recently and we could finally speak up and defend ourselves from all the ***** that you forum monkeys throw around. The "respect" you and veterans speak of is nothing but the desire for other corporations to fellate the powers-that-be.
We despise you because you're a bunch of revolting, puerile adolescents. And this quote just illustrates that further.
We hear Goons saying that you don't care what we think. You doth protest too much.
/sm
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:35:00 -
[103]
We tried acting "respectfully."
All that happened is that the people who wanted to start fights with us dragged our name down into the mud anyway, slandered us anyway, treated us with an absolute lack of respect anyway -- and then for some crazy reason got indignant when we refused to return "respect" in exchange for those slanders and misrepresentations, as if we were supposed to be grateful for the opportunity to have been insulted by the Veteran Lord Masters of Eve.
There are still numerous organizations and players within Eve that we respect. But we're done being muzzled, we're done brown-nosing, we're done playing Eve the way anybody who isn't us wants us to play it. If people respect that, fine. If they don't, it isn't our problem any more.
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Mi'zuro
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:46:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
We despise you because you're a bunch of revolting, puerile adolescents. And this quote just illustrates that further.
Judging an entire group of individuals on the actions of a few is the cool thing to do. I've read a few quotes by a BoB member implying that all Muslims deserve to be bombed and killed, from this I can assume that -all- of BoB are racist idiots, right?
Some goons who've been playing for a lot longer than their creation date lets on did respect some of the bigger alliances for their achievements, but every single time I see them refer to goons as parasites or the popular "cancer of EVE" that respect dwindles.
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Won Ton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:48:00 -
[105]
So I hear some people in this game hate goons. I can't speak for the other 2500, of course, but that's a real shame, because I wanted to be friends so bad.
SirMolle how is your mom doing lately?
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Powder
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 02:49:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Ilvari
The funny thing is you think this is something to be proud of when someone has nothing better going on with their life other than sitting in front of their computer for 16 hours straight every day, watching a stargate for activations.
And no, you don't need to answer to this, I already know you have supermodels giving you massages while you camp stargates, and that your 3 girlfriends are ok with it since no man can pleasure them as well as you anyway
same could be said about the guys that spend 16 hours undocking in shuttles/noobships/pods just to get cloned back to the same station and do it all over again... i perfer to be the one getting the killmail tbh
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fmercury
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.02 03:01:00 -
[107]
Edited by: fmercury on 02/08/2006 03:01:56
Originally by: Calenth We tried acting "respectfully."
All that happened is that the people who wanted to start fights with us dragged our name down into the mud anyway, slandered us anyway, treated us with an absolute lack of respect anyway -- and then for some crazy reason got indignant when we refused to return "respect" in exchange for those slanders and misrepresentations, as if we were supposed to be grateful for the opportunity to have been insulted by the Veteran Lord Masters of Eve.
Normally I'd be the last person on earth to quote the bible, but i thought this old cliche was somewhat fitting.
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
-Matthew 5:39-40
Take the criticism with a smile, and prove them wrong by your actions. Treat them with the respect they deserve as fellow human beings. Sooner or later, the insults will stop, and you will be respected for your accomplishments and good attitude.
Hahaha, who the **** am I kidding?
Instead of that, you've decided to call them pubbie ****gots and made sure it's known to them that you hold them utterly beneath contempt.
Circlejerk about how awesome you are all you want, you're never going to hold any serious territory or become an EVE power, beacuse you've managed to unite the entire community against you, 99% due to your idiocy on this forum.
It's a shame, Goonfleet could have been something really special.
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Zeitgueist
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 03:14:00 -
[108]
Originally by: fmercury Edited by: fmercury on 02/08/2006 03:01:56
It's a shame, Goonfleet could have been something really special.
Without you in the corp, how will we ever make anything of ourselves?
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.02 03:23:00 -
[109]
Originally by: fmercury Take the criticism with a smile, and prove them wrong by your actions. Treat them with the respect they deserve as fellow human beings. Sooner or later, the insults will stop, and you will be respected for your accomplishments and good attitude.
If there is anyone in this whole mess who needs to be preached to about treating their in-game opponents with "the respect they deserve as fellow human beings" . . well, maybe there are a few people in Goonfleet who could benefit from that sermon. But they would find plenty of company among our opponents in BoB.
As someone else pointed out in an earlier thread on all this, a lot of BoB members seem to have the attitude that any conduct at all can be justified by in-game combat victory; that the only people who need to apologize for anything, ever, are people who aren't on the top of the in-game feeding chain. And that attitude is simply bankrupt. We're done playing along with it.
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Ashen Brarn
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 03:27:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Won Ton So I hear some people in this game hate goons. I can't speak for the other 2500, of course, but that's a real shame, because I wanted to be friends so bad.
SirMolle how is your mom doing lately?
wow. you're a goon?
posting to a locked thread 4tw. ---
Originally by: Won Ton
We don't think you have what it takes to roll over us. You don't get it BoB. You're just the next hurdle on the track. Insignificant.
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Whiskey Juvenile
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 03:34:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Whiskey Juvenile on 02/08/2006 03:34:25 Honestly, the only thing about these hostilities with BoB that is surprising for us is that we expected them to come sooner, but hoped for them to come later. It was inevitable, of course.
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Aupre Fahrenson
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 03:37:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Aupre Fahrenson on 02/08/2006 03:39:42 Edited by: Aupre Fahrenson on 02/08/2006 03:39:28
Originally by: fmercury It's a shame, Goonfleet could have been something really special.
But we are
Frankly, this entire situation is pretty dumb. Many members of BoB are self-fellating half-wits. Goonfleet, being an organization of approximately 2700 people, statistically has a large portion of extrodinarily stupid people. These stupid people on both sides don't see anything wrong with expressing their retarded views on the forum and then POST POST POST. I assure you that you haven't even seen any more than 10-15% of the goon population post on these forums, but it seems like everyone because idiots post over and over again.
The only reason I made this post was to post the retard smilie. The serious part of this post was just me summing up my entire view on the situation so I'd never feel obligated to post again.
I bid you all adieu and hope you have fun popping a vein over FORUM DRAMA
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Toffles
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 03:37:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Toffles on 02/08/2006 03:38:21
Originally by: fmercury
Take the criticism with a smile, and prove them wrong by your actions.
Uh, criticism is fine. Being flamed, made fun of, and having the original smoske incident brought up in nearly every thread to make us look bad gets old after a year. We've been called trash, cancer, exploiters, and everything else under the sun. We were flamed when we took syndicate, we were flamed when we took outer ring, we were flamed when we took cloud ring.
Our "actions" have only served to change the type of insults we receive. For exampe in XZH instead of being called stupid noobs, people decided to call us stupid noob exploiters. So now we can post on the forums and people are upset that we DARE respond in kind to people who insult us. If people were actually half way decent to us all those months we weren't allowed to post our attitude towards them might be different now.
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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:00:00 -
[114]
Ok, now I know GS feeling were furt... is that correct?
You guys got some real issues. The problem is, you think you're special. You're not. In fact BE has recieved more smack/disrespect than any other corp in this game. PA comes in mind when I think about all the mud that was thrown from Bob and back to them on the forums. The only difrence to you is that they ain't have any inferiority complexes (or at least the leadership of PA and all of BE).
You speak about keeping it in ingame, but all I see are bitter GS spam on the forum. I guess this comes along with experiance since I don't think GS people are any difrent to the rest of EVE, but this has to stop. Most of you in GS will think difrent in a year about it... Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5... |
Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:16:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
We despise you because you're a bunch of revolting, puerile adolescents. And this quote just illustrates that further.
We hear Goons saying that you don't care what we think. You doth protest too much.
/sm
Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
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Mulletstation
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:16:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Mulletstation on 02/08/2006 04:17:50 Allright. I just reactivated my account and here's what I think having not actually played for months:
To BoB - I'm gonna agree with a previous poster above me. I don't hate you. I hope you don't really hate us. Its just very disheartening to be called a 'cancer' and 'virus' and threatened to be "wiped out" and "purged" and having "crusades" against us when I just myself reactivated like a day ago. I'm a good guy, I laugh at newbies just like people laugh at my mistakes. I still respect like 99.2% of your alliance because I know that they're gamers just like me, who play this as a game for entertainment but please please... don't listen to our retards that post, and likewise, I won't listen to your retards that post. My personal view on the 'joke' issue changed after reading that the original poster actually knew their family and has since apologized. Knowing that, we must realize that the internet itself is a place we must activate our emotion hardeners against. The world is a harsh place but we must deal with it.
To D2 - I've been observing this conflict partially because I have dial-up internet and was unable to participate. Look. we got into XZH on accident. I mean both sides won in the end. You guys got your system back and proved your bad-assery, and we got a ton of experience and stories and awesome screenshots of dreads (which I never get to see otherwise). As a newbie corp, honestly I think we did really well, and I congradulate us both for personal victory. Please don't let this turn into a deep-rooted hate for some reason.
To D2 Allies - I heard you guys were really cool in local when XZH crapped itself. Its nice to know that not everyone instantly blames us for lagging them out and insteads makes the best of the situation. For that, <3 you.
fmercury - dude, chill. You seem like you have a personal vendetta vs. goons. I mean you made a post about leaving goonfleet to have fun and you started shooting goons. I mean, the shooting goons part is still cool and stuff, but when you started personally hating goons for being goons well... I was disappointed. I thought we were friends
To the rest of Goonswarm - We're here to have fun. We'll play the game to have fun. Don't let this get personal. We'll clog the enemy cannons with our wreckage until they cannot fire, and then we'll come again and again and again until I pee myself with laughter.
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Dr Felonius
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:20:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Metal Dude
A little friendly advise to goons leadership. Reel in the trolls and the kiddies that continue to post crap on the forums
Um... the Goons had a strict policy against random members posting here. Then your alliance swore eternal vengeance on them, and promised that they would never ever hold 0.0 space again. Why enforce the gag anymore? What would happen worse than BoB and D2 being at war with them? Heck, since your 0.0 war with them is purportedly permanent, why should they listen to your advice? They'll never again hold 0.0 territory anyway, right?
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Armois Delgato
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:41:00 -
[118]
Howdy all. Just checking in to say that I quite prefer an EVE that is a target rich environment filled with lots of random violence than the EVE that was my EVE in the brief period after Tribute and before June. Even if it isn't entirely returned I, personally, respect our enemies- even those that truly and sincerely detest us- simply because without you guys EVE would be the most boring game I've ever played. I'd much rather not post on this forum and I truly wish that our old no EVE-O policy were still in effect but meh, I don't make the rules or have any way of changing them.
That said, I truly hope that all deeply held personal hostilities can be ameliorated and that the goonicide can be far more game-based than personal hatred based. Regardless of what others say or do we're all stuck (for better or worse) on the same Tranquility. Lets keep our awesome hostilities clean of unfortunate retardation so that true Chaos can rule and so that truly comedic battle may be joined.
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Mulletstation
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:45:00 -
[119]
i'm also posting in to say that without Goons, This would seriously be a really really boring game for a newbie. I swear we literally brought 2500 newbies into the game and got them to stay because they didn't have to mine in empire to eventually get them that super sweet tricked out destroyer and then quit 2 weeks later.
we. bring. entertainment.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:48:00 -
[120]
standard blah blah I don't represent the alliance blah blah etc etc disclaimer
the thing I don't get most of all: ever since goonfleet was founded, any thread relating to us has consisted of the majority of people calling us noobs and talking about how we'd never amount to anything and how nothing we ever accomplished would be good enough. every. single. thread. then we invade cloud ring and we get called cheaters, hackers, exploiters, etc. we have spent our entire eve existance being insulted on these forums because of who we are. and then the posting ban was lifted. are any of you really actually surprised that after having been insulted for NINE STRAIGHT MONTHS on this forum about who we are, that we're going to respond by trying to **** off as many people as we can? we've figured out that these forums are worthless to us because nothing said here will ever cause people to think better of us because ultimately we will still have the same old people saying we'll never amount to everything. even though I may not agree with everything members of my alliance post on here I am relishing watching this just to see all the people say how shocked they are at our behavior and how disappointed they are at us. guess what, the months of abuse and put downs has caused us to just not care anymore. thanks!
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.02 04:50:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Calenth
We tried acting "respectfully."
All that happened is that the people who wanted to start fights with us dragged our name down into the mud anyway, slandered us anyway, treated us with an absolute lack of respect anyway -- and then for some crazy reason got indignant when we refused to return "respect" in exchange for those slanders and misrepresentations, as if we were supposed to be grateful for the opportunity to have been insulted by the Veteran Lord Masters of Eve.
There are still numerous organizations and players within Eve that we respect. But we're done being muzzled, we're done brown-nosing, we're done playing Eve the way anybody who isn't us wants us to play it. If people respect that, fine. If they don't, it isn't our problem any more.
If there are a few alliances that still respect Goonfleet, not for much longer I think.
Watching goons flood SU local with weak burns the last few days while BOB keeps a dignified silence has been embarrassing. CanĘt help but remember the days not long ago when it was always the other way around.
If the way goons ōwant to playö is acting like unfunny retards, mission accomplished.
Originally by: Calenth
We've had a lot of opponents over time, but none of them have ever come close to sinking to the depths that the various BoB forum *****s have.
ą
I've never seen any group of people sink lower in an online game
One does spring to mind. Making fun of somebody dying even at times in public then feigning outrage when his friends are angry. Hypocritically complaining about all being ōtarred with the same brush,ö then whining about some apparent threat by one of their opponents. Posting page after relentless page of drivel and flames on a community forum.
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Treylis
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:10:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CrestoftheStars Watching goons flood SU local with weak burns the last few days while BOB keeps a dignified silence has been embarrassing. CanĘt help but remember the days not long ago when it was always the other way around.
I guess you missed the "shut up anonymous goon #52309" remarks before the silence?
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:10:00 -
[123]
Well to be perfectly honest, this isn't at all about the big bad evil vets, wanting to kill the newbies since they might pose a threat to them.
Take a look bad, 3 mounths ago eve, everyone aplauded the goon's and thier efforts for bringing new players into this game. People in eve, actually like new players, and more so then in most other games I have played.
I think the fact that a large portion of the community has turned against you, is in part due to your posting on these forums. At first your leadership in some very obviouse attempts at spin. Not to say that it isn't a bad thing to have your own propoganda, but the goons, for lack of a better phrase, don't do it all that well. Next came the hordes of goon posting, and some rather immature stuff. While I'm sure GF has some good members, they don't do enough to stand out from the bad ones, and people start to have ill impressions towards you as a group.
Frankly, I'm a little taken aback at how quickly goon's have gone from a liked entity, to a non liked one. Coupled with your seeminly inability to make an appology with out some sort of reservation, I can almost see why. Even some of the members behaviour in local chat, after the fact, brings questions to mind.
Now we see the goons attempting to claim this is nothing more then a bunch of veterens who want to kill the noobs. Both here and on other sites as well, or so I am told. You know the whole, "we're gaining power so the big boys want to shut us down" An arguement which frankly makes no sense to me what so ever, even if it were true. Doesn't it go against common sence to not kill your enemys when you have the chance to do so?
Have fun in your wars. But I think this is a good demenstration of how misteps on the forums can have some serious implications in game.
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Hwody
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:11:00 -
[124]
You get called cancer and your feelings are all hurt ...
... yet your leader likens himself to H****r and his rally speech for the weekend was nick-named The Final Solution.
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Treylis
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:12:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Lorth Take a look bad, 3 mounths ago eve, everyone aplauded the goon's and thier efforts for bringing new players into this game. People in eve, actually like new players, and more so then in most other games I have played.
This is absolutely not true and anyone who is trying to claim this needs to go back and read older threads. I just did so myself to refresh my memory--I'm seeing virtually the exact same people hating Goonfleet now that did then.
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:17:00 -
[126]
Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 02/08/2006 05:17:59
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: CrestoftheStars Watching goons flood SU local with weak burns the last few days while BOB keeps a dignified silence has been embarrassing. CanĘt help but remember the days not long ago when it was always the other way around.
I guess you missed the "shut up anonymous goon #52309" remarks before the silence?
Have you been not playing recently or something? Local talk has been allowed for weeks now.
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Lorth Take a look bad, 3 mounths ago eve, everyone aplauded the goon's and thier efforts for bringing new players into this game. People in eve, actually like new players, and more so then in most other games I have played.
This is absolutely not true and anyone who is trying to claim this needs to go back and read older threads. I just did so myself to refresh my memory--I'm seeing virtually the exact same people hating Goonfleet now that did then.
I remember Blacklight amongst others making some complimentary posts after the XZH invasion.
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:25:00 -
[127]
Originally by: CrestoftheStars I remember Blacklight amongst others making some complimentary posts after the XZH invasion.
What he said, from my memory, was "if they actually hold space for a while, I'll take them seriously." Hardly wild applause.
As to some wild change in public opinion: a lot of people are going to bandwagon onto whatever BoB says or does. A lot of other people are simply afraid to post anything that might **** BoB off. If there has been any change in public opinion re: Goonfleet, I think that accounts for most of it. Any remainder is just people falling for BoB propaganda and misrepresentations.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:37:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Calenth
What he said, from my memory, was "if they actually hold space for a while, I'll take them seriously." Hardly wild applause.
As to some wild change in public opinion: a lot of people are going to bandwagon onto whatever BoB says or does, especially when doing so serves their own interests. A lot of other people are simply afraid to post anything that might **** BoB off. If there has been any change in public opinion re: Goonfleet, I think that accounts for most of it.
The forum has been eating my posts as of late but....
Have you actually seen the stuff that BOB's enemys say about them? I doubt very highly that BOB's saying the goons are evil has changed the minds of anyone, because its BOB saying that.
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:47:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Calenth Edited by: Calenth on 02/08/2006 05:27:27
Originally by: CrestoftheStars I remember Blacklight amongst others making some complimentary posts after the XZH invasion.
What he said, from my memory, was "if they actually hold space for a while, I'll take them seriously." Hardly wild applause.
I remember that post and it is not the one I am refering to.
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Whiskey Juvenile
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 05:57:00 -
[130]
I can't imagine I'm the only one who still remembers the way GF was treated here when NSN was sicced on us.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 06:06:00 -
[131]
Band of Brothers . . . Hypocracy at its best.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 06:07:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk on 02/08/2006 06:10:29 This is why I thought the 'no posting in the alliance subforums' rule was great. Noone in the fleet posted here (aside from a few retarded GS alts), and as such noone cared about what was posted here regarding us. Now the proverbial floodgates have been opened, and everyone in GS with an opinion feels to need to rant about it and call our enemies names. Then they wait around and spam f5 to see how our enemies flame us in return. This in turn seemingly demands a reply flame, and the cycle continues.
It is my opinion, and my opinion alone, that nearly everyone here needs to take a step back and take a deep breath. Our enemies need to stop dragging up incidents that are more than a year old, and we need to stop playing the "WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY WE ARE GOONS" card. If you are as indifferent as you say, ignore the flames like the rest of GS is doing and come back to EVE. Seriously, I just want to play my internet space game.
Edit: And as far as respect goes, the vast majority of us do indeed repsect what the large alliances such as BoB and D2 have accomplished. However, none have risen so high in such a short time span as we have, and a little respect in turn would be appreciated. |
Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 06:19:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Herberge Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 00:27:21 ^^^Edit - wow, what a perfect example^^^
Why are so many of the people in the "uber" alliances so completely without any form of grace or humour? Every time you have a victory you crow about it, no matter how much of a disadvantage your opponent was working with (in XZH we had a surprise start, around 10% of our opponents' skillpoints, pilot for pilot, a tiny fraction of their isk and, unless I'm mistaken, fewer overall pilots than the seven or so alliances we were facing, not counting BoB's entry against us in the last couple of days). We lost XZH. Frankly we were amazed and pleased to hold it as long as we did. So well done to D2 and BoB, but my goodness do a lot of you have absolutely ****ty attitudes. Frankly I think most of you have forgotten the pure joy of emerging into an incredible game like Eve, because the bitterness and hate are strong in you.
I can remember many time where there were statements of respect for worthy opponents. But in those cases the opponents earned respect and played a good game. Such fights are usually marked by a distinct lack of smack by both the defeated and the winner (A polite comment in sea of smack does not count......)
Members of the top alliances (I'm thinking particularly BoB and D2) have been smacktalking about us continually since we first made an impression on anyone, when we weren't claiming any space beyond S-U. We had no pretensions, we made no claims, but people took it upon themselves to say, over and over again, "the goons will never amount to anything". Apparently it's ok for BoB and D2 to have, say, 5% of members who are absolutely horrible smacktalking retards, but if goonswarm has some smacktalkers in its ranks then we, meaning all two and a half thousand of us, have "no respect or humanity". I hope you'll forgive me for saying that this is double standard bull****, and that the people espousing it want the respect that flows from the barrel of a gun. They have never shown us respect as an organisation or as individuals, even before we had had any direct contact with them in game. I'm not even saying they should have said anything positive about us, just that if they want this game to be about "respect" then they could have refrained from smacktalking us when we were still confined to a small corner on the other side of the galaxy not hurting anyone.
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.02 06:37:00 -
[134]
I did respect GS
after your boss, and the GS posts that make me cry kapplaaaa
(to the goons trying to calm things down, i hope you can, if not find a home away from your smack tard pals)
Originally by: Avernus
The demonstrated depth of your information denotes your true stature in Eve, that of a lackey; you are similar to a mushroom: kept in the dark and fed on a diet of ****.
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Treylis
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 06:49:00 -
[135]
Originally by: CrestoftheStars Have you been not playing recently or something? Local talk has been allowed for weeks now.
I believe you misunderstood me, I was referring to the BoB silence.
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:13:00 -
[136]
hmmm, all very interesting, Is the seige still commencing ?
I only wanted to express how my weekend of goon popping was laid to rest due to a BoB invasion, Never expected 5 pages out of this.
/me Checks Both sides killboards................
LoL Yep . The seige is still going !
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:13:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Lorth
Have fun in your wars. But I think this is a good demenstration of how misteps on the forums can have some serious implications in game.
Do you have a mirror handy?
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:19:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Darcuese on 02/08/2006 07:19:24 Anyway.....
HELLO TURTLE HEAD....LONG TIME NO SEE......I HAVE TO YELL SO MAYBE MY WORDS COULD FIND A WAY TO YOUR EYES OR EARS THROUGH THIS MANY POSTS OF MANY IRELEVANT STUFF.
FLY SAFE
DEAD or ALIVE we allways have some fun. DO YOU??
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:23:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Alois Zimmer Do you have a mirror handy?
Whilst Lorth seems to dislike me, he is mostly fair in his evaluations of a situation.
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:31:00 -
[140]
Hi Darceuse, I saw you up there as well.
as well as : tityana, shrike and a few others, made my weekend be in a system with all my golden oldies !
Everyone get to S-U8A4 its where the party is at ! |
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Dyme
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:34:00 -
[141]
one does not simply jump into syndicate!
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:46:00 -
[142]
lol @ Remedial
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame. |
TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:50:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Dyme one does not simply jump into syndicate!
Sadly Syndicate consists of more than just S-U8A4 (a fact that I think Goonswarm have started to appreciate.)
Syndicate has more entrances and exits into and out of empire controlled territory than I care to mention, not fogetting the Cloud ring/outer ring back doors as well.
We love the syndicate incursions.
It promotes Healthy combat situations ,which we all love and adore.
the S-U8A4 situation is not about the territory (I hope, because theres nothing there) I think its a matter of respect. But Then Only time will tell.
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:50:00 -
[144]
Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 02/08/2006 07:49:59 double clicked |
Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.02 07:54:00 -
[145]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist lol @ Remedial
I know. This is what makes a mockery out of what most goons say here. The main hypocrite of this "nothing is sacred" and "we don't care about anything" culture sits at the top of their ladder.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:03:00 -
[146]
Remedial, seems to see himself as a leader of a certain ww2 country, is the ceo of goonswarm. as ceo u represant the corp/alliance, dont you?:
number1 number 2
this is the programm they use, and it is not just one goon who has that installed..
Remedials Speech
which is called "Final Solution", great idea..
and the most offending thing imo is this:
Linkage its a nice video, rlly, if there only wouldnt b the 1st minute of it.
makes you wondering what kind of alliance accepts such a guy as "leader".
- Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Treylis
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:05:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists blah blah blah
Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.
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Emno
Caldari E X O D U S
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:21:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
makes you wondering what kind of alliance accepts such a guy as "leader".
Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.
It's most peoples reason for disliking goonswarm from what i've seen ;/
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:23:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Emno
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
makes you wondering what kind of alliance accepts such a guy as "leader".
Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.
It's most peoples reason for disliking goonswarm from what i've seen ;/
Good thing this thread is about reasons for disliking goonswarm!
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:26:00 -
[150]
I Like the way stuff has turned out/turning out.
As I obviously had to leave the system for my own saftey Was there any major offensive launched to repel the attackers ?
All I saw was the odd 3 or 4 man gang warp in and get splatted. Did Anything Further actually happen ? Any Big events etc..... |
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Xeris
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:36:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists blah blah blah
Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.
Yes, its Rexthors fault for reminding the rest of eve that your ceo is a racist****got.
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Treylis
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:40:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Xeris Yes, its Rexthors fault for reminding the rest of eve that your ceo is a racist****got.
I guess you hate those of the homosexual persuasion, then?
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Yorda
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:40:00 -
[153]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd I Like the way stuff has turned out/turning out.
As I obviously had to leave the system for my own saftey Was there any major offensive launched to repel the attackers ?
No and there won't be one until we're done mining enough veldspar in jita to afford battleship class hulls. (Don't hold your breath, even with barges it takes a while.)
Ps: this forum is stupid. Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3 |
Wicaeed
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:44:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Xeris
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists blah blah blah
Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.
Yes, its Rexthors fault for reminding the rest of eve that your ceo is a racist****got.
Because someone thought it would be a funny idea to give him the portrait of a certain WWII leader makes him (Remedial) a racist****got?
You BoB guys take this game way too seriously.
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Yorda
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:46:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Xeris Yes, its Rexthors fault for reminding the rest of eve that your ceo is a racist****got.
I guess you hate those of the homosexual persuasion, then?
Whoa when you quote someone it doesn't filter posts? Crazy forum. Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3 |
deadtear
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:48:00 -
[156]
Edited by: deadtear on 02/08/2006 08:49:23
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Stuff
You're seriously the worst troll ever. You've tried to screw up several Swarm threads, and now you're actively trolling one not even made by us.
Edit: Blacklight, mind explaining whatever it is your keen sense of irony picked up?
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:48:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Remedial I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ******* WarCraft III or StarCraft theyĘre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canĘt win on their terms they donĘt want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donĘt play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyĘre not good enough by ******* camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.
How ironic.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Yorda
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:52:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Yorda on 02/08/2006 08:53:04
Originally by: Blacklight How ironic.
Pro Troll+++ Would respond to troll again.
[The text you've selected from a motivational speech has nothing to do with S-U, your corp or this thread.]
Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3 |
Tiberius Caesar
Sothebys
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:52:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Wicaeed
Originally by: Xeris
Originally by: Treylis
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists blah blah blah
Congrats on trying to get the thread locked.
Yes, its Rexthors fault for reminding the rest of eve that your ceo is a racist****got.
Because someone thought it would be a funny idea to give him the portrait of a certain WWII leader makes him (Remedial) a racist****got?
You BoB guys take this game way too seriously.
Oh you mean by exploiting?
Why isn't he banned?
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Ranstaton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:54:00 -
[160]
Since this thread is going to get locked anyway I might as well ask this here.
So if bob loses this war of theirs does that mean they can't bring up smoske in threads about goonfleet anymore?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:54:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Cohkka Ok, now I know GS feeling were furt... is that correct?
You guys got some real issues. The problem is, you think you're special. You're not. In fact BE has recieved more smack/disrespect than any other corp in this game. PA comes in mind when I think about all the mud that was thrown from Bob and back to them on the forums. The only difrence to you is that they ain't have any inferiority complexes (or at least the leadership of PA and all of BE).
You speak about keeping it in ingame, but all I see are bitter GS spam on the forum. I guess this comes along with experiance since I don't think GS people are any difrent to the rest of EVE, but this has to stop. Most of you in GS will think difrent in a year about it...
Mostly true...
But even in the case of Burn Eden, its merely the "attack only weak targets" reputation they have, not so much how they are viewed as people.
Prior to last week, I LIKED the goons. I liked their willingness to dive in and fight. (although even then I was hearing a bit about attitude and smack...)
Then the incident happened.
If it had been one incident, and they apologized (as they did) and kicked the member (as they did), I'd probably be on the side of peace, or at least respectable war.
------------------------ But at about the same time they were doing those above "proper" things, other Goons were "repeating" the incident. ------------------------
Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.
Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 08:59:00 -
[162]
Agreed.
So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?
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Nahual
Gallente Fate. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:02:00 -
[163]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Agreed.
So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?
We're trying to play with GS in orvolle and that area today but they mostly just dock/stab-nano setup and dont fight at all. Could be coz there is bob, d2, iron, axe on the same GS killmails, but im not sure. The VCBee alts are plentyful thou! -----------------------------------------------
FateCorp
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:03:00 -
[164]
Originally by: deadtear Edited by: deadtear on 02/08/2006 08:49:23
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Stuff
You're seriously the worst troll ever. You've tried to screw up several Swarm threads, and now you're actively trolling one not even made by us.
Edit: Blacklight, mind explaining whatever it is your keen sense of irony picked up?
Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.
But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?
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Yorda
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:04:00 -
[165]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?
There has been many a frigate flung at BoB forces. Rumor has it it keeps them from logging off out of sheer boredom.
As far as I can tell, "nope" Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3 |
Dreiden Kisada
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:04:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.
Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.
Sense when are we beholden to any other alliance for the way we act and speak? You are not the devs, you are not the GMs. You are a collection of players who for one reason or another find eachother's company best suited for their game play.
Newsflash Sergeant. You dont get to make the rules. "Behave better"? You've got to be kidding me. BoB in general, and you in particular the last person to lecture another on how the "proper" way to behave is. Every post on these forums i've seen from you the last week has either alluded to, or is directly, insulting pilots in Goonswarm.
"Compleatly reign in their trolls".
I'll start working on that when BoB does. The preceding statements are my opionion. Not to be confused with anything official. |
deadtear
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:06:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: deadtear Edited by: deadtear on 02/08/2006 08:49:23
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Stuff
You're seriously the worst troll ever. You've tried to screw up several Swarm threads, and now you're actively trolling one not even made by us.
Edit: Blacklight, mind explaining whatever it is your keen sense of irony picked up?
Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.
But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?
What dear leader says and what we all think are different things, but I agree there is...some irony in the statement. Fortunately I can see the difference between EvE and reality and play for fun. Unfortunately, the most fun I can have right now is trying to drive BoB out. Really not even BoB as a whole. The majority of them didnt start this, just like the majority of GS didnt start the "incident".
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:07:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.
But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?
Apparently I'm a troll for bringing it up though and has nothing to do with my corp or alliance, the Goons incessant hypocritical whining must be directed at someone else then, silly me.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Yorda
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:08:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Yorda on 02/08/2006 09:10:00 Edited by: Yorda on 02/08/2006 09:09:12
Originally by: Blacklight Apparently I'm a troll for bringing it up though and has nothing to do with my corp or alliance, the Goons incessant hypocritical whining must be directed at someone else then, silly me.
So you're camping S-U till we quit eve then? Because that is the only way it could be related to this thread.
Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3 |
Dreiden Kisada
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:10:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:10:19 Bah damnit edit somehow became reply. Ignore. The preceding statements are my opionion. Not to be confused with anything official. |
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Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:10:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 09:11:03
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Remedial, seems to see himself as a leader of a certain ww2 country, is the ceo of goonswarm. as ceo u represant the corp/alliance, dont you?:
number1 number 2
this is the programm they use, and it is not just one goon who has that installed..
Remedials Speech
which is called "Final Solution", great idea..
and the most offending thing imo is this:
Linkage its a nice video, rlly, if there only wouldnt b the 1st minute of it.
makes you wondering what kind of alliance accepts such a guy as "leader".
It's very funny to me that you are chiding Remedial for jokingly using authoritarian imagery like "final solution". In real life Remedial is a hard core libertarian and believes in maximum personal and economic freedom, tenets that he also brings to the running of goonswarm in every area except foreign policy rhetoric.
I have been loathe to bring this up, because I think it's a bit below the belt, but it has been said by members of BoB that all goons are scum because they dare to stay with goonswarm in spite of the objectionable actions of a few members. What does this say about those who, in the past, have worked or fought for regimes like the Third Reich, out of a sense of patriotism and the desire to protect their families? Did the people of Fascist Italy, Nazy Germany, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China and so on to infinity, all deserve to die?
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:14:00 -
[172]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 02/08/2006 09:15:34
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Agreed.
So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?
Nope,
They are running around like headless chickens getting chained all over the place.
We're still chaining them in S-U.
The rest of eve are chaining them in empire.
There doesn't seem to be any fcs, control or leadership in any part of their alliance.
I imagine this would be what fighting an NPC alliance would be like.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Yorda
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:14:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Herberge :words:
Pretty off-topic don't you think?
I am going to make a thread called "Why I hate Goonswarm" so we can keep all these other topics on topic.
Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3 |
deadtear
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:15:00 -
[174]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Agreed.
So still begs the question, "Has there been any Intense fighting yet !" Fleet vs Fleet ! or has it still been the skirmish squad ganks ?
Nope,
They are running around like headless chickens getting chained all over the place.
We're still chaining them in S-U.
The rest of eve are chaining them in empire.
There doesn't seem to be any fcs, control or leadership in any part of their alliance.
dbp
You uh, you know we enjoy suiciding right? dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp dbp
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Miram Teldarin
Lightning Dynamics GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:24:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Some BoB Guy
I imagine this would be what fighting an NPC alliance would be like.
Awesome. =D
Miram Teldarin
For the Swarm!
Lightning Dynamics |
TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:25:00 -
[176]
LoLz , Mr Preacher I do beleive that was an Excellent analagy.
I think mutual war should take place ! (if it hasn't already) |
Moab Nos
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:27:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Moab Nos on 02/08/2006 09:27:57
Originally by: Herberge Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 09:11:03
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Remedial, seems to see himself as a leader of a certain ww2 country, is the ceo of goonswarm. as ceo u represant the corp/alliance, dont you?:
number1 number 2
this is the programm they use, and it is not just one goon who has that installed..
Remedials Speech
which is called "Final Solution", great idea..
and the most offending thing imo is this:
Linkage its a nice video, rlly, if there only wouldnt b the 1st minute of it.
I have been loathe to bring this up, because I think it's a bit below the belt, but it has been said by members of BoB that all goons are scum because they dare to stay with goonswarm in spite of the objectionable actions of a few members. What does this say about those who, in the past, have worked or fought for regimes like the Third Reich, out of a sense of patriotism and the desire to protect their families? Did the people of Fascist Italy, Nazy Germany, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China and so on to infinity, all deserve to die?
There's this General Spot quote that'll answer your question:
"During WWII all germans DID warrent having their country invaded, their armed forces utterly destroyed, their government utterly destroyed, and their senior leaders almost all put to death.
By tolerating terrorist in their presense many muslims DO warrent having bombs dropped near them, even fatally close, due to WILLINGLY being near known terrorist.
The Christain argument you make is stupid (I'm not Christain, I have no faith, but I get along fine with people who do).
You are not being judged for simply being with extreme offensive idiots. You are being judged because "you" "personally" "CHOOSE" to "remain" associated with offensive idiots.
Anyone can have the bad luck to be near an idiot when the idiot shows his true stupidity. What YOU "choose" to do then will dictate how you should be judged.
Saying "I don't like what they said, but I'm staying with them and fighting at their side" does not fly very well.
- Sergeant Spot
This needs to be escalated."
Undoubtedly the rest of BoB has this exact same inhuman opinion or they wouldn't stay in the same corp as him.
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Azaeren
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Remedial, seems to see himself as a leader of a certain ww2 country, is the ceo of goonswarm. as ceo u represant the corp/alliance, dont you?:
number1 number 2
this is the programm they use, and it is not just one goon who has that installed..
Remedials Speech
which is called "Final Solution", great idea..
and the most offending thing imo is this:
Linkage its a nice video, rlly, if there only wouldnt b the 1st minute of it.
makes you wondering what kind of alliance accepts such a guy as "leader".
Not only are you breaking the rules for posting links to images of ****** and a crappy photoshop, but Swaffer sure must be getting sad at that picture being posted of him losing his dread to noobies in t1 frigates. ____________________________________________________
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:49:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Moab Nos Edited by: Moab Nos on 02/08/2006 09:27:57
Originally by: Herberge Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 09:11:03
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Remedial, seems to see himself as a leader of a certain ww2 country, is the ceo of goonswarm. as ceo u represant the corp/alliance, dont you?:
number1 number 2
this is the programm they use, and it is not just one goon who has that installed..
Remedials Speech
which is called "Final Solution", great idea..
and the most offending thing imo is this:
Linkage its a nice video, rlly, if there only wouldnt b the 1st minute of it.
I have been loathe to bring this up, because I think it's a bit below the belt, but it has been said by members of BoB that all goons are scum because they dare to stay with goonswarm in spite of the objectionable actions of a few members. What does this say about those who, in the past, have worked or fought for regimes like the Third Reich, out of a sense of patriotism and the desire to protect their families? Did the people of Fascist Italy, Nazy Germany, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China and so on to infinity, all deserve to die?
There's this General Spot quote that'll answer your question:
"During WWII all germans DID warrent having their country invaded, their armed forces utterly destroyed, their government utterly destroyed, and their senior leaders almost all put to death.
By tolerating terrorist in their presense many muslims DO warrent having bombs dropped near them, even fatally close, due to WILLINGLY being near known terrorist.
The Christain argument you make is stupid (I'm not Christain, I have no faith, but I get along fine with people who do).
You are not being judged for simply being with extreme offensive idiots. You are being judged because "you" "personally" "CHOOSE" to "remain" associated with offensive idiots.
Anyone can have the bad luck to be near an idiot when the idiot shows his true stupidity. What YOU "choose" to do then will dictate how you should be judged.
Saying "I don't like what they said, but I'm staying with them and fighting at their side" does not fly very well.
- Sergeant Spot
This needs to be escalated."
Undoubtedly the rest of BoB has this exact same inhuman opinion or they wouldn't stay in the same corp as him.
Quoting out of Context...
As I stated in the original thread, LOAC (Law of Armed Conflict) is designed to help non-combatants get AWAY from battle. If someone "chooses" to move TOWARDS battle, they have only themselves to Blame if they get hurt or dead, be they Christain, Muslim, Hindu or whatever.
Now if you are talking about folks that made no CHOICE, that is for a different topic. You have no quote from me on that.
If YOU don't like the examples above, then YOU should not have used them when asking me a question (something else you don't seem to be placing here, more out of context quoting)
I stand by my words. Deal with it.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.08.02 09:57:00 -
[180]
another thread goes off topic will be locked (hey even got 3 goon kills myself atm in the last few days flew down just for fun to see whats happening looks like some pirate grups have the same idea to)
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 10:17:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Moab Nos
Out of Contxt stuff
My anger, and the anger of many of many in Eve, is due to actions on the part of numbers of folks in your alliance "repeatedly" crossing ethical boundries of offensive behavior. Things so vile that in multiple games, similar behavior has earned near universal condemnation.
You've been attempting to attack me personally for a incomplete answer to a question asked by one of your people, due to the fact that I support some harsh policies so long as non-combatants are given every possible opportunity to leave a combat area and thus avoid risk.
Guess what?? I also support capital punishment for folks that *****small children. You can quote me on that. I guess that makes me a beast too.
Your post here is not an attack on BoB, it is a dishonest attack on me. Go ahead, keep it up, you'll lose here too.
Many people are able to tell the difference between a violent thug, and the Cop that beats the violent thug down, and understand that one is probably a bad person, and one is probably a good person, and that there is no moral equivilence between them, in spite of the fact they both get involved in beat downs. This probably distresses you, but to bad.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Eolais
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 10:46:00 -
[182]
oh god an argument on the INTERNET
WHO will WIN?
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.02 10:51:00 -
[183]
Thread cleaned. Please refrain from bringing real-life politics, be they past or present, and/or religion into the discussion. Also removed quite a few trolling posts and posts who were in reference to said posts. Please keep it on a calm, polite and constructive level.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 10:52:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Avon on 02/08/2006 10:56:17
Originally by: Azaeren
Not only are you breaking the rules for posting links to images of the head leader of germany during WW2<it edits out the "H" word> and a crappy photoshop, but Swaffer sure must be getting sad at that picture being posted of him losing his dread to noobies in t1 frigates.
That post may have broken the Forum Rules, but only because it links to exploits.
Goons cheat.
Just because the GM's can't scan the local cache folder does not make it legitimate.
I would love for CCP to do a one off patch, which included a sanity checker for the cache info, and ban without warning, anyone using this exploit.
Also, here is why I personally have moved from a pro-goon to an anti-goon position.
When they take a step forward, they tell us how well they are doing. How great their accomplishments, especially for a bunch of noobs.
When they get puched back, their opponents are crowing over meaningless victories in an internet space game. It doesn't matter.
When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.
When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.
Mostly though, I pity the goons. Remedial will be their undoing. Not only is he a meglomanic (as the famous 'secret' goon power struggle showed), but he tries to embody something from RL which has no place in Eve. He twists his membership in ways which are so obvious to outside observers, and they lap it up like thirsty dogs.
The goons, even with their SA background, could have found a place in Eve, but I fear Remedial has put that out of their reach.
Their great leader will be their undoing.
Of course, they will just write that off as BoB propaganda trying to cause internal divides. It isn't, it is my honest view. However, maybe internal strife may yet be the thing that saves rather than ends the Goons. Maybe those who can see that all is not as it could be can still make something of the situation. Although, alas, I fear it may be already too late in the day.
Added: Ivan Kirilenkov - this was written before you moderated the thread. I am happy for you to edit out anything you feel is inappropriate.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Treylis
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:08:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Treylis on 02/08/2006 11:10:38
Originally by: Avon When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.
When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.
Yes, we were really lagging out the system ourselves with equal or lesser numbers. Although I feel that some of your other points have a varying degree of merit these two in particular irritate me to no end--particularly when people are making claims like "drones have no combat usage" apart from creating lag.
I don't like sitting there waiting minutes for modules to activate. Nobody else does, either, and particularly nobody in Goonfleet--hell, that's why I simply attempt to avoid large fleet combat in favor of solo or small-scale PVP.
EDIT:
I think that the reason why things have been so adversarial on the forums is because we've been getting constantly flamed for months and months, and now that we can respond without being fined, there's a lot of resentment built up. It's unfortunate and I believe that things will cool down with time.
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Yeep
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:11:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Avon When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.
When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.
10-60 second module lag (in the first instance) is unfortunately part of large scale pvp in eve right now. 4-8 hour lag (the second instance) is rare and a sign of a horribly broken system but well done spinning two vastly different situations, neither of which you were present for, in your favour.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:15:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Cohkka Ok, now I know GS feeling were furt... is that correct?
You guys got some real issues. The problem is, you think you're special. You're not. In fact BE has recieved more smack/disrespect than any other corp in this game. PA comes in mind when I think about all the mud that was thrown from Bob and back to them on the forums. The only difrence to you is that they ain't have any inferiority complexes (or at least the leadership of PA and all of BE).
You speak about keeping it in ingame, but all I see are bitter GS spam on the forum. I guess this comes along with experiance since I don't think GS people are any difrent to the rest of EVE, but this has to stop. Most of you in GS will think difrent in a year about it...
Mostly true...
But even in the case of Burn Eden, its merely the "attack only weak targets" reputation they have, not so much how they are viewed as people.
Prior to last week, I LIKED the goons. I liked their willingness to dive in and fight. (although even then I was hearing a bit about attitude and smack...)
Then the incident happened.
If it had been one incident, and they apologized (as they did) and kicked the member (as they did), I'd probably be on the side of peace, or at least respectable war.
------------------------ But at about the same time they were doing those above "proper" things, other Goons were "repeating" the incident. ------------------------
Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.
Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.
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Xaes
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:19:00 -
[188]
Quote: Prior to last week, I LIKED the goons. I liked their willingness to dive in and fight. (although even then I was hearing a bit about attitude and smack...)
Then the incident happened.
If it had been one incident, and they apologized (as they did) and kicked the member (as they did), I'd probably be on the side of peace, or at least respectable war.
The "incident" in question took place well in the past. You still continued to like goons for quite some time afterword.
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 02/08/2006 10:56:17
Originally by: Azaeren
Goons cheat.
When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.
When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.
And if you think goons cheat you are sadly mistaken. But, if blaming anything that goes right for Goons on Lag, or cheating, or whatever makes you feel better, go right ahead and believe it. I won't stop you.
When D2 whined about losing due to "lag" they where talking about your standrd 'Oh hey, it takes 5 seconds to do anything for everybody lag'.
The XZH lag was 'Oh hey, it takes several hours for anything to happen'.
There is an acceptable level of lag in a game, people understand that when there is a large fleet battle the ping times will be up and things will not be perfectly smooth. That however does not excuse several hour long server "hic-ups", with side effects go on for several days.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:31:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: Avon When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.
When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.
10-60 second module lag (in the first instance) is unfortunately part of large scale pvp in eve right now. 4-8 hour lag (the second instance) is rare and a sign of a horribly broken system but well done spinning two vastly different situations, neither of which you were present for, in your favour.
The point is, the differences between the situations don't matter. It is about how the Goons portray themselves.
If I am not present, I can only go by what I read here, and hear in game.
The Goons are bad at propoganda, as this thread clearly shows, and have no concept of how much the forums influence external public opinion.
I'm not saying that forum propoganda is a good thing, or that it is a fair way to judge people, but that is what people do.
If my opinions do not reflect accurately the truth of the situation, maybe the problem is not with me, but with what I read.
Goons make this even harder by having so many contradictory views, making almost any thread they post in become confusing and seemingly hypocritical.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:42:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Xaes
The "incident" in question took place well in the past. You still continued to like goons for quite some time afterword.
If that had been the only occurance, you'd have a point.
However, from the first day that this whole thing flared up, the incident has been being deliberately, willfully and knowingly repeated by multiple Goons. And folks wonder why we tossed the so-called apology back in the faces of the goons.
If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.
The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Shimpu
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 11:56:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Shimpu on 02/08/2006 11:56:30
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Shimpu Edited by: Shimpu on 01/08/2006 23:36:25
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: SaorAlba Currently Training: Basic Discussion Forum Posting II 3 months, 5 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes, 55 seconds
So after all your criticism, all the faults you see in us, and all our internal problems you think you know about, consider this:
- Goonswarm are the ones who kicked you from an rather profitable system
- Goonswarm kept you out of it for three weeks.
- Goonswarm are comprised of a majority of players with Eve experience measured in weeks, rather than the months and years of D2.
- Goonswarm forced you to spend an obscene amount of ISK on POS towers and fuel rather than risk anymore fleet losses against us.
- Goonswarm did this with a military force based around Tech 1 frigates and cheap fittings.
So after all of that, are we pretty damn good to compete with the likes of you, or are you pretty **** to be stalled by 'space trash' like us?
Who's your daddy!? Face it... you ran against a wall and don't even have somewhere to go after your defeat except empire. I hope you achieve more 'great' victories like this
I just bookmarked this post so that I can make you eat these words at some future point
Originally by: Remedial We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours. But XZH will be ours as well, and I invite you all to be a part of this.
Yeah, bookmarking stuff and quoting it for later use is pretty awesome
Originally by: Unknown Scout "ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming." |
anubis 2
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:00:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot If that had been the only occurance, you'd have a point.
However, from the first day that this whole thing flared up, the incident has been being deliberately, willfully and knowingly repeated by multiple Goons. And folks wonder why we tossed the so-called apology back in the faces of the goons.
If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.
The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.
This "incident" was brought up four months later to coincide with a major operation, it was essentially a troll on BoB's part.
Rather than 0 tolerance, BoB has been shown to have 0 class in this respect, and no manner of analogies will justify this.
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Kesslar Znel
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:03:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Kesslar Znel on 02/08/2006 12:04:12
Originally by: Avon
Goons make this even harder by having so many contradictory views, making almost any thread they post in become confusing and seemingly hypocritical.
There are 2500 of us, and we're not bound together by policy, but by shared culture. That's one of the things that I think many goons find so frustrating about this whole mess, and why it's going to take more than a gatecamp to disband the Swarm. It's network warfare and this is a strategic bombing campaign.
(I'm goonfleet, my ticker just isnt' showing.)
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:18:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Avon When they take a step forward, they tell us how well they are doing. How great their accomplishments, especially for a bunch of noobs.
When they get puched back, their opponents are crowing over meaningless victories in an internet space game. It doesn't matter.
When they lag out a system and kill some dreads they are the uber warriors, pwn'ing eve with their amazing power.
When a system lags and it leads to defeat, they post a thread in 'general discussions' about how unacceptable it is.
QFT. Although, I'd like to add that, on the forums, anyone who makes a reasonable post against them is either trolling, pushing their higher SP on them, or e-whining about e-stuff that e-happens in e-internet e-games.
Originally by: Dreiden Kisada Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:14:24 Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:13:02 Edited by: Dreiden Kisada on 02/08/2006 09:10:51
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Until the Goons can in truth rein in COMPLETELY their trolls that have been repeatedly repeating the incident, they dig themselves only deeper.
Once you dig yourself in a hole, to get out you need to behave better than other and WILLINGLY accept half the credit, at least until you are out of the whole.
Sense when are we beholden to any other alliance for the way we act and speak? You are not the devs, you are not the GMs. You are a collection of players who for one reason or another find eachother's company best suited for their game play. We dont sit around the forums complaining about how You, or Them, or any other alliance doesn't act the way we act, or the way we want them to act.
Newsflash Sergeant. You dont get to make the rules. "Behave better"? You've got to be kidding me. BoB forum warriors in general, and you in particular the last person to lecture another on how the "proper" way to behave is. Every post on these forums i've seen from you the last week has either alluded to, or is directly, insulting pilots in Goonswarm.
Edit: Also edit is beeing really really funny.
I guess you're missing the point. You're right, BoB and everyone else that doesn't like you aren't GMs, but that doesn't make their opinions absolutely worthless. I guess because, well, this is an MMO. Realize that his means interaction with other players. Contrary to what you seem to be saying, GS whines constantly about other alliances act. Whining about how BoB is doing something or other, and saying D2 backstabs everyone, I guess, just doesn't show up on your hypocritical radar.
I've looked at BoB threads, and they aren't anywhere near as bad as GS threads after the main-posting rule was lifted. This thread is a prime example. Notice the sheer amount of flaming and spam coming from GS? I'm guessing you aren't because, to you, anything GS does was warranted, whereas a post by a D2 or BoB member is trolling if they point out practically anything you've done horrifically wrong in your history. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:20:00 -
[195]
Yep, All i wanted to say was, Thanks for getting to S-U8A4 ahead of me, BoB and Camping me in the whole weekend. Never imagined in my Wildest dreams it would span so far.
Kinda cool............
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Shrike
Evolution
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:23:00 -
[196]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Yep, All i wanted to say was, Thanks for getting to S-U8A4 ahead of me, BoB and Camping me in the whole weekend. Never imagined in my Wildest dreams it would span so far.
Kinda cool............
So, how would you like to be paid? As agreed or other means?
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Calenth
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:29:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.
Oh get off your pedestal, you of all people. You've compared goons to terrorists, posted personal threats .. . by any standard at all, your posts have been in every way as shameful as the worst that anyone in Goonfleet has posted. IN fact, i'm pretty sure several of your posts have actually violated the TOS -- personal threats, statements of intent to "purge" goons from the entire game, etc.
Your response, as posted above, is that we should "deal with it." Why should treat you with any respect, when you yourself act so despicably?
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Ultrabug
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:31:00 -
[198]
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Yep, All i wanted to say was, Thanks for getting to S-U8A4 ahead of me, BoB and Camping me in the whole weekend. Never imagined in my Wildest dreams it would span so far.
Kinda cool............
\o/ TuRtLe HeAd \o/
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Itzena
Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:32:00 -
[199]
Originally by: DB Preacher I imagine this would be what fighting an NPC alliance would be like.
Lots of kills, but ultimately futile as it's impossible to permanently kill all of them?
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet? -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be. |
DANGEROUS
Fate. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:33:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Remedial I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ******* WarCraft III or StarCraft theyĘre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canĘt win on their terms they donĘt want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donĘt play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyĘre not good enough by ******* camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.
How ironic.
How inaccurate
OMG i am quoting a blacklight post - -
OMG what have these goons DONE to us all - -
OMG - next we will be having tea and coffee together outside their few remaining strongholds!!!
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SirMolle
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:35:00 -
[201]
Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
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Itzena
Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:40:00 -
[202]
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
Interesting.
You might want to tell some of your members that - they've been saying that BoB's goal is to merely drive GS out of 0.0 space; and if you can't get your own pilots to toe the party line then what chance do your PR/propaganda/psyops people posting here have in getting other alliances and corps to follow along? -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:46:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Avon on 02/08/2006 12:46:48
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
Interesting.
You might want to tell some of your members that - they've been saying that BoB's goal is to merely drive GS out of 0.0 space; and if you can't get your own pilots to toe the party line then what chance do your PR/propaganda/psyops people posting here have in getting other alliances and corps to follow along?
Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:46:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
Interesting.
You might want to tell some of your members that - they've been saying that BoB's goal is to merely drive GS out of 0.0 space; and if you can't get your own pilots to toe the party line then what chance do your PR/propaganda/psyops people posting here have in getting other alliances and corps to follow along?
Driving goons out of 0.0 and eradicate from EVE them are two different things.
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:46:00 -
[205]
Originally by: SirMolle No.
I think I can say fairly confidently that the only way you're going to make any of us leave Eve is by being such a sad, manipulative, generalising, nerd raging bigot that we no longer want to be seen in the same game as you.
If that's your idea of victory then so be it.
Have you yet answered the point raised a couple of days ago, that Tetsujin may have known the "victim" of the joke that you chose to misunderstand for political purposes?
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Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:48:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Avon
Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:55:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon
Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.
Pretty sure I didn't say that. It is, however, our goal.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:56:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon
Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.
We've already told them.
"When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) |
Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:56:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon
Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.
You're the only one making the claim. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 12:59:00 -
[210]
Edited by: Herberge on 02/08/2006 13:01:58
Originally by: Herberge
Originally by: Avon
Once out of 0.0 space they are effectively out of the game .... until we take that space too.
Ah, so BoB is Eve? The other 99,000 players might be interested to hear that.
Quote: You're the only one making the claim.
Quote: Pretty sure I didn't say that. It is, however, our goal.
Quote: We've already told them.
Haha, you guys really need to get your story straight.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:00:00 -
[211]
How can you pay to ***** forums for about 10 years, do it excessively and then still be this bad at reading them and using them to your own advantage?
This almost defies belief.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:02:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Herberge It is, however, our goal.
The only people that need to get anything "straight" are the ceos.
We all represent BoB, but only they represent our intentions.
Hope that clears it up for you.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:03:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.
But that's not what happened. A better analogy would be that our dumb kid dumped trash on your lawn. Four months later, your dad exploded and threatened to murder our extended family in our sleep. Our violent scouse cousins, hearing of this threat, came over to where your family lived and started to cause trouble in the neighbourhood, whilst the majority of our family shook their heads sadly. Our daddy apologised, and spanked the little kid and even disowned him from the family. Your daddy insisted that this was not enough, - was "to little to late" and that he would still kill us all. Our daddy then got angry, and told your daddy to bring it. And also that your daddy was a poo-poo head.
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Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:09:00 -
[214]
Actually we didn't do anything nasty back to BoB (i.e. scouse cousins) until after they rejected the apology, which was indeed sincere.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:11:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Herberge Actually we didn't do anything nasty back to BoB (i.e. scouse cousins) until after they rejected the apology, which was indeed sincere.
Some people were defending Ten, and I wanted to paint us in the worst possible light.
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Swinton Wolsoncroft
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:13:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Fred0 How can you pay to ***** forums for about 10 years, do it excessively and then still be this bad at reading them and using them to your own advantage?
This almost defies belief.
We have a difficult time working the internet (in space), please bare with us.
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:15:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Crivens Edited by: Crivens on 02/08/2006 13:06:30
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
If I dump trash on your lawn, you would not take an apology very seriously if it was issued as more trash was being dumped.
And that's what happened. A better analogy would be that our entire family dumped trash on your lawn and called you poo-poo heads. After four months of doing this and an insult to your dad's friend, your dad got angry and decided to fight us.
Our violent scouse cousins, hearing of this threat, came over to where your family lived and started to cause trouble in the neighbourhood, whilst the majority of our family shook their heads sadly. [I have no idea what this means, so I'm not changing it.]
Our daddy never apologised, and spanked his children happily and tried to disown one from the family after he personally offended your dad. Your daddy insisted that this was not enough, - was "too little too late" and that he would still kill us all because we were being jerks. Our daddy then got angry, and told your daddy to bring it. And also that your daddy was a poo-poo head.
The moderately retarded parts of our family now goes to local council meetings ranting and raving about your family - and now we are where we are.
Fixed. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:16:00 -
[218]
On Topic Summary:
- BoB camping S-U, relatively empty system, reduced to playing Monopoly. - BoB have hundreds of Frig/Noobship kills - Goons flying around rest of Syndicate/Empire, doing what we do best, having fun!
The funniest thing about this situation is that you can never win. We are far too established and tightly knit to disband, and once the verbal diarrhea that flows from SirMolle and his groupies mouths has finished, we will still be here, grinning mischeviously, giving you the finger!
You cannot tell me what to do, think, or say within this game. You cannot tell me that I am not allowed to play this game because you don't like my attitude, and to attempt to do so is far worse than anything we could have ever said or done.
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:17:00 -
[219]
BoB doesn't need excuses to fight wars. RL related sick jokes should stay outgame IMHO. I just think that BoB/D2 are laying it on too thick atm. Goonies didn't became the anti-christ overnight. They might deserve some whoopass but calling them a cancer and disease is just over the top (heck even when you know some RL peeps suffering from C you'd use those word more wisely).
Goonies shouldn't think a 5 year or so old community has problems when a new group storms in and doesn't respect the 'social rules'. They simply will get into trouble like they are now. (Even if they didn't dec themselves the would be decced anyway) And hopefully goonies will self-clense the're group and throw out the rotten apples so the appletree doesn't get cut down. Hopefully your brawling adventurous fun loving spirit will remain in game without the negativism you're credited for atm.
This post only reflects my personal oppinion and not of my corp and alliance.
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CitzNo 097864
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:32:00 -
[220]
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
What a ******* badass.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:44:00 -
[221]
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
As one of the more 'veteran' players in GoonSwarm, I can say that I've been around for a while and followed the politics.
I use to like BoB and respected them for their ability to create what they did.
Now I see their egos and hypocracy and have since lost all respect for them.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:51:00 -
[222]
First off I never have and never will care much for alliances in general, never mind politics.
But theres a lot of claims all GS are losing in frigs and noob ships Looking through the killboards im pretty certain thats just not true in any way or form. Unless of course BoB pilots can be bothered to forge killmails of cruisers etc
But to all sides in this, Have fun and gl. Thats what this games supposed to be about
Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
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Tiggus Maximus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:55:00 -
[223]
How are they going to eradicate GS from Eve exactly, I must have missed this part.
I mean come on, I've been ratting and mining in Syndicate since they moved in(to one system). Sure I can't go to SU(oh no!), how will I ever manage there are only 500 other stations in Syndicate, laugh.
This whole thing has been really quite fun, I've made a lot of new friends and had a good time, sort of thing that unites a corp really, not breaks it apart.
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 13:57:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Trac3rt You cannot tell me what to do within this game.
That's right. However, there's a difference between tell and force.
Little reminder..
Originally by: Remedial We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours. But XZH will be ours as well, and I invite you all to be a part of this.
Which one you have? Yes?
Quite frankly, you have been forced to leave the place you once called "yours" and you got forced to leave the place you tried to conquer. Tough luck. Have fun spinning your ship at the station. --
Nobody stays behind |
Mulletstation
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:02:00 -
[225]
Originally by: fuze BoB doesn't need excuses to fight wars. RL related sick jokes should stay outgame IMHO. I just think that BoB/D2 are laying it on too thick atm. Goonies didn't became the anti-christ overnight. They might deserve some whoopass but calling them a cancer and disease is just over the top (heck even when you know some RL peeps suffering from C you'd use those word more wisely).
Goonies shouldn't think a 5 year or so old community has problems when a new group storms in and doesn't respect the 'social rules'. They simply will get into trouble like they are now. (Even if they didn't dec themselves the would be decced anyway) And hopefully goonies will self-clense the're group and throw out the rotten apples so the appletree doesn't get cut down. Hopefully your brawling adventurous fun loving spirit will remain in game without the negativism you're credited for atm.
This post only reflects my personal oppinion and not of my corp and alliance.
This is exactly my view at the moment. I'm glad someone that isn't involved has this view and can see through both side's spin.
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Alberta
Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:05:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Trac3rt On Topic Summary:
- BoB camping S-U, relatively empty system, reduced to playing Monopoly. - BoB have hundreds of Frig/Noobship kills - Goons flying around rest of Syndicate/Empire, doing what we do best, having fun!
The funniest thing about this situation is that you can never win. We are far too established and tightly knit to disband, and once the verbal diarrhea that flows from SirMolle and his groupies mouths has finished, we will still be here, grinning mischeviously, giving you the finger!
You cannot tell me what to do, think, or say within this game. You cannot tell me that I am not allowed to play this game because you don't like my attitude, and to attempt to do so is far worse than anything we could have ever said or done.
Seriously, read that bit in bold and have a think about it.
Not sure what I'm on about? Go back and read Molle's posts on the subject, count up the words in them. Then come back and count the words in the single post of yours I've quoted. Compare them.
Now read that bit in bold again and have a think about it.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:06:00 -
[227]
Guys, do you see what's happening here? Both BoB and GS are flaming each other, with other corps weighing in. Both corps are trolling and and playing the "we're right, you're wrong" card and it's coming to a level of immaturity which would only typically be seen in a FYAD thread.
There are a lot of different things here which have blown this incident WAY out of proporation, the first of which is BoB's willingness to publicly announce and drag the situation around with them on the EVE-O boards. Sure the comment wasn't good to start with, but it was made on a private forums for the twisted humor of one man, to the which the rest of GS said was uncalled for. This is all long in the past and the hatred now is not because of the comments or sigs that were made, but now it is because EVERYONE IN ANY CORP IN EVE WANTS TO FLAME EACH OTHER.
This is immature and uncalled for, the whole situation here is making me sicker by the day as to the stupidity running rampid in these threads. "I used to respect GoonSwarm" is not a card to be played, because we all know how much EVE respected us and how they "enjoyed" our presence. Sure we had some support when we invaded XZH, but that was short lived.
For the love of God people, can we grow up? Goons, Brothers, and Mercanaries and every non-involved corporation/alliance needs to stop the flaming, chest-beating and every other ego-driven reply that is coming. This is sheer stupidity as to this war, nothing short of stupidity.
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CitzNo 097864
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:07:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Alberta
Originally by: Trac3rt On Topic Summary:
- BoB camping S-U, relatively empty system, reduced to playing Monopoly. - BoB have hundreds of Frig/Noobship kills - Goons flying around rest of Syndicate/Empire, doing what we do best, having fun!
The funniest thing about this situation is that you can never win. We are far too established and tightly knit to disband, and once the verbal diarrhea that flows from SirMolle and his groupies mouths has finished, we will still be here, grinning mischeviously, giving you the finger!
You cannot tell me what to do, think, or say within this game. You cannot tell me that I am not allowed to play this game because you don't like my attitude, and to attempt to do so is far worse than anything we could have ever said or done.
Seriously, read that bit in bold and have a think about it.
Not sure what I'm on about? Go back and read Molle's posts on the subject, count up the words in them. Then come back and count the words in the single post of yours I've quoted. Compare them.
Now read that bit in bold again and have a think about it.
No.
Goodbye.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:08:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Calenth
Originally by: Sergeant Spot The last time I remember an incident like this was a player by the name of "Severed Wind" in Mankind. He found no support for his trash, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate similar crap here.
Oh get off your pedestal, you of all people. You've compared goons to terrorists, posted personal threats .. . by any standard at all, your posts have been in every way as shameful as the worst that anyone in Goonfleet has posted. IN fact, i'm pretty sure several of your posts have actually violated the TOS -- personal threats, statements of intent to "purge" goons from the entire game, etc.
Your response, as posted above, is that we should "deal with it." Why should treat you with any respect, when you yourself act so despicably?
Bull ****.
I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:
"Choosing"
to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.
I challenge you to show ANYWHERE where I've made a personal threat, or compared you to terrorist (Responding to YOUR arguments that use Terrorists as examples do not count, and even in those I don't compare you to terrorist, but I'm sure you'd try and twist words given half a chance, as you've already shown a habit for....).
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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BlackRain
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:12:00 -
[230]
What I'd like to see is less posting and more fighting. Please. -------------------
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:13:00 -
[231]
Originally by: CitzNo 097864
I wanna be e-cool, please.
Fixed. --
Nobody stays behind |
Herberge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:15:00 -
[232]
Originally by: CitzNo 097864 No.
Goodbye.
Oh god, it's not personal, is it?
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:24:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Cyleth
Originally by: Trac3rt You cannot tell me what to do within this game.
That's right. However, there's a difference between tell and force.
You are right. You cannot force me to do anything either.
You cannot force me to act the way you want, or say what you like, and you sure as hell cannot force me to quit this game. Which is your goal, correct?
Originally by: Cyleth
Little reminder..
Originally by: Remedial We will keep Syndicate, of course, Syndicate will always be ours. But XZH will be ours as well, and I invite you all to be a part of this.
Which one you have? Yes?
Quite frankly, you have been forced to leave the place you once called "yours" and you got forced to leave the place you tried to conquer. Tough luck. Have fun spinning your ship at the station.
Syndicate is still ours, we have not left or abandoned it. I really don't understand your point.
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CitzNo 097864
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:25:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Bull ****.
I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:
"Choosing"
to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.
I challenge you to show ANYWHERE where I've made a personal threat, or compared you to terrorist (Responding to YOUR arguments that use Terrorists as examples do not count, and even in those I don't compare you to terrorist, but I'm sure you'd try and twist words given half a chance, as you've already shown a habit for....).
Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?
It's very clearly not a personal war, but a fantastic effort to make GoonSwarm seem like the bad guy, and it worked
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:26:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Guys, do you see what's happening here? Both BoB and GS are flaming each other, with other corps weighing in. Both corps are trolling and and playing the "we're right, you're wrong" card and it's coming to a level of immaturity which would only typically be seen in a FYAD thread.
There are a lot of different things here which have blown this incident WAY out of proporation, the first of which is BoB's willingness to publicly announce and drag the situation around with them on the EVE-O boards. Sure the comment wasn't good to start with, but it was made on a private forums for the twisted humor of one man, to the which the rest of GS said was uncalled for. This is all long in the past and the hatred now is not because of the comments or sigs that were made, but now it is because EVERYONE IN ANY CORP IN EVE WANTS TO FLAME EACH OTHER.
This is immature and uncalled for, the whole situation here is making me sicker by the day as to the stupidity running rampid in these threads. "I used to respect GoonSwarm" is not a card to be played, because we all know how much EVE respected us and how they "enjoyed" our presence. Sure we had some support when we invaded XZH, but that was short lived.
For the love of God people, can we grow up? Goons, Brothers, and Mercanaries and every non-involved corporation/alliance needs to stop the flaming, chest-beating and every other ego-driven reply that is coming. This is sheer stupidity as to this war, nothing short of stupidity.
While I respect your maturity, your post is horrifically biased. For example, you've stated that GS and BoB are both flaming each other. Please, point out any BoB posts that are directly flaming GS, and do the same with GS. I'm sure you'll find the number difference to be quite...enlightening.
Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.
Just for fun, tell me how many posts by GS have accused people of using the...incident against them in every thread, versus the number of times they've actually been accused of it outside of the actual threads regarding it. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:27:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:
"Choosing"
to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.
I'd rather you camp S-U for the next 5 years than have the people I e-hang with in this game dictated to me. Get over yourself.
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Bavarian Punk
Minmatar The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:30:00 -
[237]
Originally by: CitzNo 097864 Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?
No, simply because it won't happen. The tendency to act extremely stupid and retarded is a problem specific to GoonSwarm. ---
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:34:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:
"Choosing"
to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.
I'd rather you camp S-U for the next 5 years than have the people I e-hang with in this game dictated to me. Get over yourself.
I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Furnok Dorn
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:37:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Bavarian Punk
Originally by: CitzNo 097864 Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?
No, simply because it won't happen. The tendency to act extremely stupid and retarded is a problem specific to GoonSwarm.
That statement is so mind-bendingly ignorant I don't even know where to start.
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CitzNo 097864
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:38:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Bavarian Punk
Originally by: CitzNo 097864 Just for fun, pretend that a big name in BoB posted something that would hurt a lot of people, could be anything. Lets say it's a photoshop of Princess Diana's head on a pike, whatever. Would you expect everyone to give up on everything they've worked for in EVE because of it? Or would you expect the leadership to kick the member out and apologize to the community?
No, simply because it won't happen. The tendency to act extremely stupid and retarded is a problem specific to GoonSwarm.
My post wasn't about if it would happen or not, try again.
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Garia666
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:44:00 -
[241]
hehe
/me gets the popcorn and read further...
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Nevvy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:54:00 -
[242]
As a quick aside first because the forums don't want me to stay logged in and that prevent me from finding the quotes. Someone accused goons of hypocrisy and blaming lag for losing or some such. In this same thread D2 people have chest beat about how they lost dreads to lag and how they kicked us out of cloudring. Differences between module lag and the 8 hour server meltdown aside, either d2 lost dreads to lag and we left xzh because of server meltdown stopping our counterstroke (plus a little bit of BoB), or we killed D2's dreads legitimately and they legitimately POS spammed with their superior economy. The difference between D2 and goon chest beating over either version of this is that D2 is one of the most powerful alliances in the game and we are all nubs, to exaggerate slightly. Nonetheless chestbeating is silly for either side.
As for the BoBvsGoons and no respect and etc. Most of us really don't care. We are having fun in our spaceship game. We are fighting left and right and the best mercenary corp in the game is jumping in on our side to help. The trolls troll because they enjoy it, and you feeding them doesn't really bother most of us. I hope to BLAM BLAM and BOOM BOOM some of you soon, sadly Minmatar ships do not PEW PEW very well.
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:01:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
If you think GoonFleet should disband because you find our humour distateful and you are actioning that belief then you are trying to dictate our existence or behaviour based on your whims. Call it what you want, 'responsible'? I never even knew about this dead friend of bob before this fiasco started.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:06:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:11:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot ...
If you think GoonFleet should disband because you find our humour distateful and you are actioning that belief then you are trying to dictate our existence or behaviour based on your whims. Call it what you want, 'responsible'? I never even knew about this dead friend of bob before this fiasco started.
Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot ...
So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
They are insulted by your actions, and attacking you because of your offensive behavior. How could you possibly not understand that? ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:
"Choosing"
to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.
I'd rather you camp S-U for the next 5 years than have the people I e-hang with in this game dictated to me. Get over yourself.
I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
Attempting to forcibly removed us from the game for choosing who we decide to associate with isn't the same thing at all from attempting to dictate who we can be e-friends with in a game?
I really want to know what you were smoking when you made that post!
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:14:00 -
[247]
I could really say something about BoB's actions here that remind me of something in history but I'm pretty sure I would get banned for using the comparison.
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Furnok Dorn
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:15:00 -
[248]
Listen, the only way to settle this is through a kickboxing tournament
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:18:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Trac3rt Attempting to forcibly removed us from the game for choosing who we decide to associate with isn't the same thing at all from attempting to dictate who we can be e-friends with in a game?
Originally by: Remedial I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ******* WarCraft III or StarCraft theyĘre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canĘt win on their terms they donĘt want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donĘt play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyĘre not good enough by ******* camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
[250]
The amount of verbal combat in this thread seems just about right for the beginning of the operation.
Our goal is not to make anyone quit from EVE. Our goal is just to blow up GoonSwarm ships anywhere we see them.
We will keep doing this until your more sensible members accept responsibility for what your immature members have been and are continuing on doing.
An event happening 4 months ago is not exactly old if the insult had been continually existing every day for those 4 months until after July 27 and no one in the goon alliance voiced any objection to it. Furthermore, upon exposure of it, goons posted WTB corpse threads. It is fortunate for you that these have been since deleted by the forum mods. There are several more goon threads that had been deleted by the forum mods because of their content. GoonSwarm members are polluting EVE.
At any rate, this is barely a week since the war started. We're perfectly alright with continuing this for another year, or two. We've done it before. Hope GoonSwarm pilots like the inside of stations.
Wherever you run to, we will find you. All those plans Remedial had for the greatness of your alliance? They will be impossible now. Learn to live with it. This is a game after all.
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Anille Kole They are insulted by your actions, and attacking you because of your offensive behavior. How could you possibly not understand that?
Where did you find any indication that we didn't understand this?
The fact that you're turning "We're attacking you because you've got members that are extremely offensive" into "We're GMs of EVE and we are dictating who you can have as friends." ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Grayton So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
Welcome to Eve where if you have the will and the wherewithal then yes you can enforce whatever you like.
EULA and Concord permitting of course.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Furnok Dorn Listen, the only way to settle this is through a kickboxing tournament
i'll send my supermodel girlfriend/dancer to fight for me. her ripped abs will deflect your weak and pathetic attacks.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:20:00 -
[254]
Edited by: Grayton on 02/08/2006 15:23:39
Originally by: Avon Thing is though, in Eve it doesn't matter who is right, all that matters is who is left.
i see what you did there
Originally by: Blacklight Welcome to Eve where if you have the will and the wherewithal then yes you can enforce whatever you like.
EULA and Concord permitting of course.
So you are agreeing that your alliance is determining who is right and who is wrong through your own statements and means of enforcement?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:21:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
You determine what is right and wrong yourself, and you are responsible for your decision.
In all the time I've been in BoB, through the conflicts with G, IRON, Stain, FA, VC, etc, etc, I've not bothered to post much on this forum. In all those cases, it was just wars, even if some of the methods were debated (and are debated...) fairly hotly now and then. Then there is the Goons. You want me to shut up? Don't sugar coat or minimize your decision. Stand by it, as it is, warts and all. Believe it or not, I concede that standing by corp mates is a virtue. Standing by them unconditionally, however, has some problems.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:22:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Anille Kole The fact that you're turning "We're attacking you because you've got members that are extremely offensive" into "We're GMs of EVE and we are dictating who you can have as friends."
Those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but rather in this case are logical consequences of each other.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:26:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Rebellion Our goal is not to make anyone quit from EVE. Our goal is just to blow up GoonSwarm ships anywhere we see them.
Are you sure about that?
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
Your leaders seem to have other goals in mind.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:26:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot You determine what is right and wrong yourself, and you are responsible for your decision.
The very act of saying you are holding us responsible for our decisions means you are saying what is right and what is wrong for us to do.
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Dinique
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:26:00 -
[259]
Originally by: deadtear
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: deadtear Edited by: deadtear on 02/08/2006 08:49:23
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Stuff
You're seriously the worst troll ever. You've tried to screw up several Swarm threads, and now you're actively trolling one not even made by us.
Edit: Blacklight, mind explaining whatever it is your keen sense of irony picked up?
Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.
But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?
What dear leader says and what we all think are different things, but I agree there is...some irony in the statement. Fortunately I can see the difference between EvE and reality and play for fun. Unfortunately, the most fun I can have right now is trying to drive BoB out. Really not even BoB as a whole. The majority of them didnt start this, just like the majority of GS didnt start the "incident".
If you follow Remedial, that reflects on you.
Simple as that. Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight
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Kelly O'Connor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:28:00 -
[260]
Edited by: Kelly O''Connor on 02/08/2006 15:31:07 me thinks goons r falling apart :( and we didnt eve get 1 single fleet fight ... /me cries
on the other note ur spam in local seems to diminish over time and your enjoyment of beign traped in a station must be astonishing ....
short example:
guy undocks in shuttle then redocks .... following with massive lol in local how bob sux coz they cant kill a shuttle ... good game lol u r teh my hero can i have ur teh X ?
thats end of story for me... ill not reply to any of flames etc. EOT
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:29:00 -
[261]
Eradicating Goons from Eve has nothing to do with making people quit eve.
The same way eradicating PA, FA, SA, VC, IMP, CODA etc etc etc etc had anything to do with making their members quit the game.
Your history of eve is lacking and therefore your understanding of intention is lacking.
You'll learn though. dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:30:00 -
[262]
Originally by: DB Preacher Eradicating Goons from Eve has nothing to do with making people quit eve.
The same way eradicating PA, FA, SA, VC, IMP, CODA etc etc etc etc had anything to do with making their members quit the game.
Your history of eve is lacking and therefore your understanding of intention is lacking.
You'll learn though. dbp
Well said old bean.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:32:00 -
[263]
We're not saying what is right or wrong. We're just saying that the things you have done so far have resulted in us deciding what we are doing now.
Regarding being responsible for your decisions, this is implied for any intelligent life form.
Why all the protests though? As I have said, it has barely been a week. Is GoonSwarm implying that they cannot take for a week what other have, at one time, endured for over a year? Surely your alliance is capable of much more than what we have delivered so far.
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:33:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Anti Derivative on 02/08/2006 15:33:26
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Rebellion Our goal is not to make anyone quit from EVE. Our goal is just to blow up GoonSwarm ships anywhere we see them.
Are you sure about that?
Your leaders seem to have other goals in mind.
I think the confusion is that we see ourselves as Goons regardless of eve, whereas they see us as Goons only insofar as the corp we belong to. So when they say eradicate goons from eve they mean GoonFleet/Waffe proper, and not the group people hailing from the somethingawful.com forums.
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:34:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Anille Kole The fact that you're turning "We're attacking you because you've got members that are extremely offensive" into "We're GMs of EVE and we are dictating who you can have as friends."
Those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but rather in this case are logical consequences of each other.
So, because they don't like your members and the fact that you won't remove them even though they are extremely offensive, and are attacking you because of that, makes them not only think of themselves as GMs, but as ultimate deciders of who you can befriend? If they are logical consequences, the logic involved is twisted beyond recognition. They are attacking you because they don't like your members. Would you consider yourselves the GMs of EVE if you attacked a group because they constantly flamed you? Or would you consider it personal vengeance? I think the answer is obvious, but you can't give up the charade because you need all the positive PR you can get, meaning you have to resort to "OHNOES BOB IS BEING A BUNCH OF BULLIES". ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:36:00 -
[266]
Edited by: Ismern on 02/08/2006 15:36:13
Originally by: DB Preacher
Your history of eve is lacking and therefore your understanding of intention is lacking.
You'll learn though. dbp
My understanding of intention is quite clear. Your attempts at misguiding the public and covering up your true intentions are lacking.
You'll learn though.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Dinique
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:37:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Sure the comment wasn't good to start with, but it was made on a private forums for the twisted humor of one man, to the which the rest of GS said was uncalled for.
Thats a blatant lie.
Judging by XZH local from last week, it was atleast 30 or so of your members, including your leader and some directors. Not to mention ships named things like "lol smoske lol". Didn't see anyone say it was uncalled for or wrong from GS, so its reasonable to assume the the general opinion of GS is that its acceptable and fine. Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:37:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Rebellion We're not saying what is right or wrong. We're just saying that the things you have done so far have resulted in us deciding what we are doing now.
Regarding being responsible for your decisions, this is implied for any intelligent life form.
I am not saying we do not hold ourselves responsible for our own decisions (and by responsible I do not mean "at fault"). I am merely trying to confirm that BoB thinks they can determine we are right or wrong in our decisions and then hold us responsible in their own ways, as this seems to be what Sergeant Spot is implying.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:38:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot You determine what is right and wrong yourself, and you are responsible for your decision.
The very act of saying you are holding us responsible for our decisions means you are saying what is right and what is wrong for us to do.
So?
Society judges its members all the time, it is the nature of the beast.
Anyway, why are you so hung up on e-morality in a meaningless internet spaceship game?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:38:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Anille Kole So, because they don't like your members and the fact that you won't remove them even though they are extremely offensive, and are attacking you because of that, makes them not only think of themselves as GMs, but as ultimate deciders of who you can befriend? If they are logical consequences, the logic involved is twisted beyond recognition. They are attacking you because they don't like your members. Would you consider yourselves the GMs of EVE if you attacked a group because they constantly flamed you? Or would you consider it personal vengeance? I think the answer is obvious, but you can't give up the charade because you need all the positive PR you can get, meaning you have to resort to "OHNOES BOB IS BEING A BUNCH OF BULLIES".
I didn't say anything about being GMs, you did. If you really need to abstract it into grade school language then: 1. he said he is holding everyone belonging to GS responsible for being members of GS and that the punishment is his wrath. 2. i said that i don't care about his wrath and will do as i please.
Does this make it easier to understand?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:39:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot You determine what is right and wrong yourself, and you are responsible for your decision.
The very act of saying you are holding us responsible for our decisions means you are saying what is right and what is wrong for us to do.
We're expressing our opinion on your decision. No matter how you debate it and mince word, YOU make your own decisions, and you are judged on those decisions, always.
I'm something of a fanatic on the concept of free will. Closest thing I have to a religion.
When you finally arrive at a decision STAND BY IT, warts and all. And don't try and hide the warts, that only makes them worse.
If you find you can't stand by a decision when it is expressed "warts and all", both its virtues and flaws freely shown and acknowledged, then you should probably abandon the decision.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:41:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Grayton on 02/08/2006 15:46:53
Originally by: Avon So?
Society judges its members all the time, it is the nature of the beast.
Anyway, why are you so hung up on e-morality in a meaningless internet spaceship game?
So you are saying that BoB forms the basis of society in this game then, as you seem to be the ones bringing forth this judgement?
I am not "hung up" on anything; I'm merely trying to get a better understanding of BoB's actions in this meaningless internet spaceship game.
Originally by: Sergeant Spot We're expressing our opinion on your decision. No matter how you debate it and mince word, YOU make your own decisions, and you are judged on those decisions, always.
I'm something of a fanatic on the concept of free will. Closest thing I have to a religion.
When you finally arrive at a decision STAND BY IT, warts and all. And don't try and hide the warts, that only makes them worse.
If you find you can't stand by a decision when it is expressed "warts and all", both its virtues and flaws freely shown and acknowledged, then you should probably abandon the decision.
I am not arguing that BoB cannot judge us for our actions. Judging is an inherent part of society, as Avon pointed out a few posts up. Nor am I arguing that we should not stand by our decision. I stand by it (whatever "it" even is anymore as the entire issue of this has been convoluted beyond belief). Nor am I also arguing against the concept of Free Will, as I too support that. I am merely trying to establish how exactly BoB sees itself in the Eve community.
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Tiggus Maximus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:41:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Kelly O'Connor Edited by: Kelly O''Connor on 02/08/2006 15:31:07 me thinks goons r falling apart :( and we didnt eve get 1 single fleet fight ... /me cries
on the other note ur spam in local seems to diminish over time and your enjoyment of beign traped in a station must be astonishing ....
short example:
guy undocks in shuttle then redocks .... following with massive lol in local how bob sux coz they cant kill a shuttle ... good game lol u r teh my hero can i have ur teh X ?
thats end of story for me... ill not reply to any of flames etc. EOT
You guys are hilarious, the only reason a goon would be in SU right now is if they want to taunt you in local, maybe engage in some suicide antics for a quick giggle.
Those who actually want to do other stuff have 5984859405040954 other systems to do it in....You would need a force many times the size of goonswarm itself to actually accomplish your stated goal of keeping us "locked in station playing spin the ship".
Get over yourselves, you're not fooling anyone pretending all of goonswarm is languishing in SU with nothing to do, quite the opposite in fact, we are out trashing the universe and spilling martinis on the rug in cheap hotel rooms having a great time :)
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:48:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Anille Kole So, because they don't like your members and the fact that you won't remove them even though they are extremely offensive, and are attacking you because of that, makes them not only think of themselves as GMs, but as ultimate deciders of who you can befriend? If they are logical consequences, the logic involved is twisted beyond recognition. They are attacking you because they don't like your members. Would you consider yourselves the GMs of EVE if you attacked a group because they constantly flamed you? Or would you consider it personal vengeance? I think the answer is obvious, but you can't give up the charade because you need all the positive PR you can get, meaning you have to resort to "OHNOES BOB IS BEING A BUNCH OF BULLIES".
I didn't say anything about being GMs, you did. If you really need to abstract it into grade school language then: 1. he said he is holding everyone belonging to GS responsible for being members of GS and that the punishment is his wrath. 2. i said that i don't care about his wrath and will do as i please.
Does this make it easier to understand?
It makes it easier to understand just how badly you are losing this argument by arguing my semantics. However, to counter your points:
1. He said he's holding them responsible because they are supporting the people that offend him, not because they are members of GS. Although I don't understand how this point even remotely supports what you are trying to say. 2. You didn't say you didn't care about his wrath, you declared him a dictator and crudely challenged his ability to judge others. I'm sure you wouldn't want people judging other people, that just wouldn't be fair. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:49:00 -
[275]
Edited by: Rebellion on 02/08/2006 15:52:09 Understanding our actions is easy.
We enjoy blowing GoonSwarm ships up. Goon chaining is fun.
And why would goons go elsewhere? I thought the alliance was spoiling and eager for a fight with BoB? Or is this the GoonSwarm definition of a fight?
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Armois Delgato
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:58:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Dinique If you follow Remedial, that reflects on you.
Simple as that.
Eh, for better or worse I've been on this train since the beginning and I'll most likely be on it once it reaches its final destination, whenever or wherever that might be- no matter how painful or pleasureable the ride there isn't really any getting off of this train I'm on. Rem has very little to do with my attachment to the same people I've been fighting among since November.
The first time I tried EVE I didn't last beyond two weeks in empire mining scordite off of a badger in Tourier and bluescreening every half hour. If it weren't for the fleet I'd have never bothered picking this game up again for a second chance. The Swarm deserves my loyalties if for nothing other than that.
All that said, it is well within anyone's rights to try to push someone out of 0.0 or force an organization to disband. It is EVE after all.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:00:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Rebellion We're not saying what is right or wrong. We're just saying that the things you have done so far have resulted in us deciding what we are doing now.
Regarding being responsible for your decisions, this is implied for any intelligent life form.
I am not saying we do not hold ourselves responsible for our own decisions (and by responsible I do not mean "at fault"). I am merely trying to confirm that BoB thinks they can determine we are right or wrong in our decisions and then hold us responsible in their own ways, as this seems to be what Sergeant Spot is implying.
Your Decision has been tolerance and acceptance of repeated incidents extremely offensive behavior. You are being held accountable for that.
When this whole thing started, my first reaction was rage someone would do such things, tempered by interest in how your corp would deal with the issue (this was before I started posting).
Then I learned that the incident was not isolated. THEN I started posting.
Its been a continue thing, which is why your initial apology rang rather hollow. As stated above:
Originally by: Dinique
Judging by XZH local from last week, it was atleast 30 or so of your members, including your leader and some directors. Not to mention ships named things like "lol smoske lol". Didn't see anyone say it was uncalled for or wrong from GS, so its reasonable to assume the the general opinion of GS is that its acceptable and fine.
And that is just one system's local and ship names. It does not count incidents at other locations, the deliberate convos, etc.
Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?
Stand by your decision, as it is, warts and all (most complex decisions have warts, so its not unusual). Stand by it as it is, or find another decision to stand by.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:02:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Anille Kole It makes it easier to understand just how badly you are losing this argument by arguing my semantics. However, to counter your points:
1. He said he's holding them responsible because they are supporting the people that offend him, not because they are members of GS. Although I don't understand how this point even remotely supports what you are trying to say. 2. You didn't say you didn't care about his wrath, you declared him a dictator and crudely challenged his ability to judge others. I'm sure you wouldn't want people judging other people, that just wouldn't be fair.
it's reeeeeally simple, and you're missing it. keep trying.
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Avres
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Avres on 02/08/2006 16:06:21
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
This is immature and uncalled for, the whole situation here is making me sicker by the day as to the stupidity running rampid in these threads.
Originally by: The Mittani on the Goonfleet forums
Yeah, I did alright yesterday; I made one post, had 5 BoB guys respond to it in increasingly frothingly ways
Originally by: Nevvy
We are fighting left and right and the best mercenary corp in the game is jumping in on our side to help.
Originally by: The Mittani
We're waiting until we see the silly Hugh Grant banner, posting our 'oh god terrfied so we got our own fearsome mercs to help', then the thread is invaded by VCBees demanding missl or bump.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:05:00 -
[280]
Originally by: DB Preacher Eradicating Goons from Eve has nothing to do with making people quit eve.
Please enlighten me as to what this means exactly?
The thing is, being a Goon has nothing to do with what corp you are in. I could quit GF tomorrow and be in a newbie corp and still be a Goon. Fmercury from MC is a Goon, Furnock Dorn from Jita Highway Patrol is a Goon, both these people are KOS for Goonswarm but that does not stop them from being Goons. The only way to eradicate a Goon from Eve is to stop them from playing.
Using the term Goons, you refer to the individuals by social group, and not the overall entity. 'Eradicating Goons from Eve' is no differant from saying you are 'Eradicating Christians from Eve', 'Eradicating Germans from Eve', 'Eradicating Furries from Eve', and so on.
If your war was truly against the organisation, you would say you were 'Eradicating Goonswarm from Eve'. There is a very strong distinction between targetting the individuals and targetting the organisation.
Goons like to play together, which is why you have Goon corps. If Goonswarm were to (somehow) disband, another Goon alliance would rise in its place, and it would probably be 99% the same membership, led by the same person, hold the same space, and have the same values. I would put good money that you would carry your persecution and campaign of hate over to the new alliance, simply because we want to paly together.
Finally, this war is not about resources or territory, it is about BoB's intolerance of anyone who dares to think or act differantly to them. Goonswarm is under attack because BoB disagree with the way we choose to play this game and the attitudes we have while playing it. No matter who is left or what is said, this is a disgusting attitude to take, and nothing can change that.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:07:00 -
[281]
Edited by: Ismern on 02/08/2006 16:07:56 In reference to Avres:
*waves at the alt*
Bye bye alt.
*waits for that post and this one to be deleted*
If you want to bring things from outside of the game into here, post with your main. We all know there are spies in GF that can read the boards and use that info here. You can post that all you want, but you need to have a main character do it.
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Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Anille Kole It makes it easier to understand just how badly you are losing this argument by arguing my semantics. However, to counter your points:
1. He said he's holding them responsible because they are supporting the people that offend him, not because they are members of GS. Although I don't understand how this point even remotely supports what you are trying to say. 2. You didn't say you didn't care about his wrath, you declared him a dictator and crudely challenged his ability to judge others. I'm sure you wouldn't want people judging other people, that just wouldn't be fair.
it's reeeeeally simple, and you're missing it. keep trying.
Oh, I understand now! You're just "spewing filthy propaganda" (that's a direct quote from one of your own alliance mates flaming me, by the way). You've given no proof for your statements, let alone a sensible argument, yet expect me to believe you? You still skirt around my arguments, and it's fairly obvious that none of your responses have even directly answered mine ad verbatim, but instead twisted so you can actually think of a response. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:08:00 -
[283]
Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:08:48
Originally by: Anille Kole Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.
From what I have seen, no one has mentioned the individual to which the "joke" was targetting in any recent light. Secondly, the GS directorate only released the ban on posting on EVE-O a week or two ago, nullifying the "months" of spamming that has come from GS. GS has released hordes of private information, but our enemies have released our private discussions, publicly unveiled our privte offers and our internal speech was even released. Tell me sir, how guilty does GS appear to the rest of the community's actions?
Perhaps I am horrifically biased, but I can say the same about your position. Everyone will have their bias and everyone will claim "facts", but the point of my post was to make people think, for themselves, as to what EVERYONE is doing right now. The stupidy and arrogance running rampid on these boards is engrossing.
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Ria Sotori
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:08:00 -
[284]
Let me dumb this down a bit since the intellectual answers dont seem to be sinking in for you and only produce bloviating diatribes from your "pay to post" forum warriors
- less docky docky more shootie shootie pls ? - wheres the vaunted goon swarm ? - vacating your home and hiding in empire on non alliance alts does not = teh win - goonswarm is not the first mega sized corp (its the 5th) in eve and wont be the last its just the newest your not special live with it. k thx bye
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Toffles
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:08:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Trac3rt Attempting to forcibly removed us from the game for choosing who we decide to associate with isn't the same thing at all from attempting to dictate who we can be e-friends with in a game?
Originally by: Remedial I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ******* WarCraft III or StarCraft theyĘre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canĘt win on their terms they donĘt want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donĘt play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyĘre not good enough by ******* camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.
Remedial was saying if they couldn't handle losing xzh to us they could go ahead and quit this game. I agree with him too. If people are going to be such bad sports about losing their ships or having POS's blown up they can go ahead and quit. We never said we wanted to kick D2 out of this game, only that the bad sports could be made to cry so much that they quit. CS has people calling "hacks", Starcraft has people who quit if they see they are going to lose, and eve has people that do both. I think even bob would agree that people with that level of sportsmanship can and should be beaten regardless of whether they are going to cry or quit the game. This is quite different from BoB's ethnic cleansing campaign as I'm sure you are aware. Nice "spin" though.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:09:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Grayton
I am not arguing that BoB cannot judge us for our actions. Judging is an inherent part of society, as Avon pointed out a few posts up. Nor am I arguing that we should not stand by our decision. I stand by it (whatever "it" even is anymore as the entire issue of this has been convoluted beyond belief). Nor am I also arguing against the concept of Free Will, as I too support that. I am merely trying to establish how exactly BoB sees itself in the Eve community.
Also this thread is moving so fast I fear that by the time I get back from taking a shower, three more pages will have been tacked on to it already.
Fair enough.
I lack the authority to speak for BoB formally, but I can say what I believe is true.
I believe BoB see itself as not letting a gross and repeated insult a departed friend be "acceptable". Doing "nothing" about it would be accepting it. Even though I did not know him myself, I can vigorously support the idea. Very vigorously.
Individual BoB members all no doubt have other thoughts, but that one is mine.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:10:00 -
[287]
Edited by: Dianabolic on 02/08/2006 16:13:46
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Remedial I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ******* WarCraft III or StarCraft theyĘre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canĘt win on their terms they donĘt want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donĘt play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyĘre not good enough by ******* camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.
Remedial was saying if they couldn't handle losing xzh to us they could go ahead and quit this game. I agree with him too. If people are going to be such bad sports about losing their ships or having POS's blown up they can go ahead and quit. We never said we wanted to kick D2 out of this game, only that the bad sports could be made to cry so much that they quit. CS has people calling "hacks", Starcraft has people who quit if they see they are going to lose, and eve has people that do both. I think even bob would agree that people with that level of sportsmanship can and should be beaten regardless of whether they are going to cry or quit the game. This is quite different from BoB's ethnic cleansing campaign as I'm sure you are aware. Nice "spin" though.
Of course you didn'tj
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:12:00 -
[288]
Edited by: Grayton on 02/08/2006 16:13:36
Originally by: Sergeant Spot Your Decision has been tolerance and acceptance of repeated incidents extremely offensive behavior. You are being held accountable for that.
<snip>
Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?
Stand by your decision, as it is, warts and all (most complex decisions have warts, so its not unusual). Stand by it as it is, or find another decision to stand by.
I do not like giant quote boxes so I snipped the middle of that. So again, this boils down to you judging our acts and decisions as offensive- and enforcing your own set of rules for what is offensive and what isn't offensive on us? Also, I said earlier that the entire situation has become convoluted, and this is an example of it, as I personally thought our decision was not a decision of what is offensive and what is not offensive, but instead of whether or not to support our own membership's ability to free speech, even if we may not agree with what select members may say.
Edit: arg why must there be like 20 new posts as I'm making a reply
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Rebellion on 02/08/2006 16:15:23 Well, if you are saying that BoB disagree with petulance, distasteful and unfunny jokes, insults to things unrelated to the game, uncontrolled trolling and the lack of basic decency, then I'd have to concur.
You are completely free to say and do whatever you want. Just as people are completely free to say and do whatever they want in reaction to it. This is what BoB is doing: reacting. Basically it's "insult us, and we step on your head".
Thus far GoonSwarm has been a complete and utter disappointment. If Remedial wants to prove to EVE that the alliance is not filled with newbies that are incapable of achieving anything, then at the very least put up some actual resistance.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:15:00 -
[290]
Edited by: Ismern on 02/08/2006 16:15:28 EDIT: Damn EVE-O forums not working properly . . .
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
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Tiggus Maximus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:16:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Rebellion And why would goons go elsewhere? I thought the alliance was spoiling and eager for a fight with BoB? Or is this the GoonSwarm definition of a fight?[/quote
Speaking purely for myself, fleet battles are laggy, involve hours of organization, staring at warp bubbles, and are unfun. I had more than my fill of all of that in XZH for the time being, sorry you missed out on it.
But I mean...it's ok for you to stare at a warp bubble all day long, really. Don't beat yourself up about the futility of trying to take npc space too much, I realize you are trying to prove a point that you are the big bad bob, just realize most of us are in other systems laughing at you.
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Keldoran Sakhin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:16:00 -
[292]
I'm pretty sure that we're going to stand by our 'decision.'
I think that decision was 'Screw you guys, it's the internet.'
gl gf hf tbqh imho iirc wtf omg bbq
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:19:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:08:48
Originally by: Anille Kole Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.
From what I have seen, no one has mentioned the individual to which the "joke" was targetting in any recent light. Secondly, the GS directorate only released the ban on posting on EVE-O a week or two ago, nullifying the "months" of spamming that has come from GS. GS has released hordes of private information, but our enemies have released our private discussions, publicly unveiled our privte offers and our internal speech was even released. Tell me sir, how guilty does GS appear to the rest of the community's actions?
Perhaps I am horrifically biased, but I can say the same about your position. Everyone will have their bias and everyone will claim "facts", but the point of my post was to make people think, for themselves, as to what EVERYONE is doing right now. The stupidy and arrogance running rampid on these boards is engrossing.
Your above post is only applicable if you only count posts in this forum that haven't been deleted, let alone anything that actually happens inside the game. There have been numerous instances of insulting XXXXXX, flaming people in local, spamming local, etc. Even with all of that, there's still the fact that there are a large amount of confirmed GS alts spamming the forums, which further reduces what your post even argues.
My point about the the release of private information was that GS does it too. You can't argue that it's utterly unfair for BoB to do that when it's been done constantly by GS in the past. Your statement that the enemies of GS have done that same thing does nothing but reinforce my point that it's not an uncommon or utterly dispicable tactic. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
BOldMan
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:20:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Rebellion ... ....
Can I try a short version?
Now the end is upon you; I will unleash my anger against you and judge you according to your conduct and lay upon you the consequences of all your abominations.
Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:21:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Anille Kole
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:08:48
Originally by: Anille Kole Additionally, I don't feel it's really "blowing it out of proportion" when they get upset that GS is still joking about their friend. Couple that with months of them seeing GS flaming and spamming, and they're bound to be really upset. Also, how is it bad for it to be on private forums? GS has released hordes of private information from other people, even tried to blow that out of proportion.
From what I have seen, no one has mentioned the individual to which the "joke" was targetting in any recent light. Secondly, the GS directorate only released the ban on posting on EVE-O a week or two ago, nullifying the "months" of spamming that has come from GS. GS has released hordes of private information, but our enemies have released our private discussions, publicly unveiled our privte offers and our internal speech was even released. Tell me sir, how guilty does GS appear to the rest of the community's actions?
Perhaps I am horrifically biased, but I can say the same about your position. Everyone will have their bias and everyone will claim "facts", but the point of my post was to make people think, for themselves, as to what EVERYONE is doing right now. The stupidy and arrogance running rampid on these boards is engrossing.
Your above post is only applicable if you only count posts in this forum that haven't been deleted, let alone anything that actually happens inside the game. There have been numerous instances of insulting XXXXXX, flaming people in local, spamming local, etc. Even with all of that, there's still the fact that there are a large amount of confirmed GS alts spamming the forums, which further reduces what your post even argues.
My point about the the release of private information was that GS does it too. You can't argue that it's utterly unfair for BoB to do that when it's been done constantly by GS in the past. Your statement that the enemies of GS have done that same thing does nothing but reinforce my point that it's not an uncommon or utterly dispicable tactic.
Posts from every side have been deleted.
And how could you of all people talk about alts spamming the forums?
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:25:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Keldoran Sakhin Edited by: Keldoran Sakhin on 02/08/2006 16:18:04 I'm pretty sure that we're going to stand by our 'decision.'
I think that decision was 'Screw what you guys think, it's the internet.'
gl gf hf tbqh imho iirc wtf omg bbq
Edited for clarity.
Thats a decision.
It has some good points and some bad points.
Good point:
An anything goes attitude allows a lot of freedom, and no worry about maintaining any sort standards of behavior (maintaining standards can be a royal pain, trust me on this......)
Bad Point:
Expect harsh treatment when behaving as a "no standards of behavior" group while among other groups that do have standards of behavior, however lax those standards might be (and trust me, standards of behavior in Eve are VERY lax.....)
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:26:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Anille Kole
Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Originally by: Anille Kole ...
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Posts from every side have been deleted.
And how could you of all people talk about alts spamming the forums?
Did you even read my post?
Posts from each side have been deleted, but how is that relevent to what I said?
Additionally, declaring my statement about alt posting invalid because I am an alt is ridiculous. The statement was in reference to Alexi saying that "GS never spammed the forum! They just lifted the ban!", and said that GS did spam the forum under the cover of alts. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Rutta
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:28:00 -
[298]
I just joined the swarm recently. I wasn't a goon before that, but had several RL friends who are. I was very familiar with Goons from other sites like B3ta and Fark etc, and always popped over to SA to read and look at what was going on.
Much like EVE, SA is not a carebearing place, no humor is off limits no matter how black or twisted. No subject is taboo. Seeing someone try to complain about something being off limits will only guarantee ridicule.
I'm new to EVE as well, but I love it. It's the best game I've ever played and I kick myself constantly for not getting that 2 week trial last year when I saw it. Coming into all this, I didn't know who BoB was, or who Smoske was or even know much about Remedial.
Now, after seeing the way this has all played out, all I can say is, I'm having the time of my life playing this game. I don't care about who Smoske was or how anyone feels about him, because that crap's in the past and dragging it up to rally the troops is dumb and only guarantees further insults on the matter. Concerns with that issue should have been made directly to the people responsible either via in game, offsite forum PM's or in game petitions to the people talking about it in local. I also don't really know much about BoB, and after reading most of their commentary and escaping some of their gate camps while I'm on my way to do other things I don't really see what the big deal about them is. At this poin't I'm regarding them about the same as I would hostile NPC's in another game, something you avoid/ignore on the way to having fun with your friends.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:29:00 -
[299]
Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:31:20 Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 02/08/2006 16:30:06
Originally by: Anille Kole Your above post is only applicable if you only count posts in this forum that haven't been deleted, let alone anything that actually happens inside the game. There have been numerous instances of insulting XXXXXX, flaming people in local, spamming local, etc. Even with all of that, there's still the fact that there are a large amount of confirmed GS alts spamming the forums, which further reduces what your post even argues.
My point about the the release of private information was that GS does it too. You can't argue that it's utterly unfair for BoB to do that when it's been done constantly by GS in the past. Your statement that the enemies of GS have done that same thing does nothing but reinforce my point that it's not an uncommon or utterly dispicable tactic.
Both sides have alt posts for them, but GS is better at routing out and killing them. I never argued that it was unfair to GS that BoB was releasing information, just that both sides are releasing information. My statement that the enemies of GS has doen the same tactic stands, but it says nothing for re-inforcing ANY point but the simple fact that it is done and will continue to happen.
Jesus, now I'm even flaming. I'm heading out, there is no reason for me to try to settle the situation.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:31:00 -
[300]
There is a very big differance between judging our actions and going "I disagree", and judging our actions and saying "I disagree, now I am going to destroy everything they have ever accomplished".
You cannot hold us accountable for our actions, because we do not answer to you. To hold anyone accountable for their actions, you have to be a form of 'Moral Police' or GM, dictating what people are allowed to say, think, and do. Which is apparently what you seem to think you are.
How we discipline our own is nobodies business but our own. If someone steps out of line the directors deal with it, 99% of the time nobody knows what the actual punishment was. Again, BoB sees fit to dictate how we should punish someone who steps out of line, and if we dont do exactly what they want then 'You Are Next' lol.
Recently, a number of BoB members were caught exploiting concord's lack of intervention after a recent patch. You don't hear me or anyone else crying out for the exermination of BoB because their members were not kicked. I trust they were dealt with internally.
I am sure if there is any Goonswarm member who steps out of line, if you convo a directror and send over the relevant proof, they will be dealt with.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:32:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Rebellion Well, if you are saying that BoB disagree with petulance, distasteful and unfunny jokes, insults to things unrelated to the game, uncontrolled trolling and the lack of basic decency, then I'd have to concur.
You are completely free to say and do whatever you want. Just as people are completely free to say and do whatever they want in reaction to it. This is what BoB is doing: reacting. Basically it's "insult us, and we step on your head".
Thus far GoonSwarm has been a complete and utter disappointment. If Remedial wants to prove to EVE that the alliance is not filled with newbies that are incapable of achieving anything, then at the very least put up some actual resistance.
So you are agreeing with my statement that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force? Also, just because you may not think we are resisting, does not mean we are not resisting. Resistance comes in many forms; it does not have to be limited to just fleet combat.
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Jacob Majestic
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:38:00 -
[302]
Originally by: BOldMan Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.
Translation:
"I am an old-timer. By virtue of being an old-timer, I naturally have more of a claim to 0.0 space than all those pesky new alliances."
I've read the above drivel dozens of times from random BoBbers and frankly I'm sick of it. I bet you walked to school up-hill (both ways) in the snow without any shoes on, too. One day you will come to the realization that nobody cares about your trials and tribulations except for the few people that live in the big-kid treehouse over in Delve. If you think otherwise then this game has left you behind.
I hope you enjoy camping Syndicate. I hope you enjoy camping NPC stations and popping Velators. You probably also enjoy stomping sand castles that 8 year old kids make on the beach. Just remember that someday those kids are going to grow up and egg your house, TP your lawn, and steal your car and crash it and set it on fire.
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Toffles
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:43:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?
You guys read our forums all day so you see how badly we treat members who make smoske jokes. The guy who convoed a bob member (theholyfather or something) was kicked from the corp immediately and was later revealed to be a spy or defector who wanted to make us look bad. The guy who made the thread in the sell forum got severely flamed for pages on our forums and was likely kicked as well. I think you fail to realize that some GS members are extremely upset at this incident and some GS members also lack any common sense at all. The people that possess both traits will make smoske jokes to "get back" at bob. Fortunately they are getting kicked and punished, but we really don't consider that any of your business. You really don't see the behind the scenes stuff, like people getting convos from directors for talking in local, fines being given, and people being banned because for the most part we deal with those things privately.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:43:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: BOldMan Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.
Translation:
"I am an old-timer. By virtue of being an old-timer, I naturally have more of a claim to 0.0 space than all those pesky new alliances."
I've read the above drivel dozens of times from random BoBbers and frankly I'm sick of it. I bet you walked to school up-hill (both ways) in the snow without any shoes on, too. One day you will come to the realization that nobody cares about your trials and tribulations except for the few people that live in the big-kid treehouse over in Delve. If you think otherwise then this game has left you behind.
I hope you enjoy camping Syndicate. I hope you enjoy camping NPC stations and popping Velators. You probably also enjoy stomping sand castles that 8 year old kids make on the beach. Just remember that someday those kids are going to grow up and egg your house, TP your lawn, and steal your car and crash it and set it on fire.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:51:00 -
[305]
Toffles, that's all nice and good, but doesn't amke sense when considering that the signature existed for around 4 months, and your very leader, Remedial's statements exhibit the same caliber of degeneracy.
I do apreciate that there are some members trying to do something about smacktards, I had thought from the posts of others that there were none since freedom of expression and absence of responsibility was the ideal.
Grayton, interesting ideas about forms of resistance. How exactly do these other forms of resistance play out? Are your members in S-U resisting by making us spend ammo? Are your members that refuse to log in or fight resisting by hoping that we will get bored and leave? Where is the GoonSwarm aliance that did not care how many ships they lost for as long as they had someone to fight?
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Rutta
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:53:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Rebellion Toffles, that's all nice and good, but doesn't amke sense when considering that the signature existed for around 4 months, and your very leader, Remedial's statements exhibit the same caliber of degeneracy.
The fact that you still don't understand the signature, or what it meant, is funny at this point.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:00:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Rebellion Grayton, interesting ideas about forms of resistance. How exactly do these other forms of resistance play out? Are your members in S-U resisting by making us spend ammo? Are your members that refuse to log in or fight resisting by hoping that we will get bored and leave? Where is the GoonSwarm aliance that did not care how many ships they lost for as long as they had someone to fight?
You did not answer my question about if you are agreeing with my statement or not. And I am not going to be baited by you implying that we are not resisting at all. Think what you want, just know that we are resisting in our own way and will continue to as things solidify after returning from Cloud Ring. Patience is a virtue, you know; just because BoB wants us to launch massive blobs against them immediately, doesn't mean we have to. Also, I don't really get attached to point of sales machines. Thanks for wondering if we do, though.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:02:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?
You guys read our forums all day so you see how badly we treat members who make smoske jokes. The guy who convoed a bob member (theholyfather or something) was kicked from the corp immediately and was later revealed to be a spy or defector who wanted to make us look bad. The guy who made the thread in the sell forum got severely flamed for pages on our forums and was likely kicked as well. I think you fail to realize that some GS members are extremely upset at this incident and some GS members also lack any common sense at all. The people that possess both traits will make smoske jokes to "get back" at bob. Fortunately they are getting kicked and punished, but we really don't consider that any of your business. You really don't see the behind the scenes stuff, like people getting convos from directors for talking in local, fines being given, and people being banned because for the most part we deal with those things privately.
If things are as you say, its a good start.
That I'll grant.
But don't do it for us, do it for yourselves. It really would have no meaning if you did it for us.
On our end we've seen to many repeats of the original incident. If those cease, attitude very well might start to change.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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VCBee 698
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: VCBee 698 on 02/08/2006 17:03:38 Gunes will lose and giev missel.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:04:00 -
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The signature is just the beginning. Pointing it out opened the floodgates and inundated us with the gems that Toffles mentioned. Basically, we think that most of GoonSwarm are like those people that posted WTB threads, or the ones that convo'd our people to make distasteful jokes. The very spam generated by GoonSwarm players in these forums are already noticed by all. Just ask the moderators about how many pointless GoonSwarm threads they had to lock or even delete. These are all fairly recent. Furthermore, a lot of your membership defende those people's right to do those things, and even said that it was our fault for "provoking" GoonSwarm. The very insinuation that we use the memory of a member to wage war afainst GoonSwarm is ridiculous. We do no need such things to motivate our membership into making war. All we need is to decide to do so. How preposterous. Because of them, we do not trust GoonSwarm, and trust your leaders even less because we fuly expect them to be capable to lying to our face and then maintaining the oposite within the secrecy of your membership. Hidden insults being part and parcel of that.
The attempts at making GoonSwarm being oppressed or bullied by BoB in this is laughable. Just as some of you claimed that your members posted filth in reaction to our provokes, then we undertake this decision and course of action in reaction to your positions. The implication that the freedom of expression that we should allow you is null and void when considered in the light of our freedom to react is the only hypocrisy here.
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Noghri ViR
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:09:00 -
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As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
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Jacob Majestic
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: BOldMan Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0.Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.
I'd train up some levels of "Reading comprehension" if I was you. I've bolded the bit that is important, despite english not being boldmans primary language I am finding it pretty funny you failed to understand what he was saying.
I'd train up some levels of "Reading comprehension" if I was you. I've bolded the bit that is important, despite english obviously not being your primary language I am finding it pretty funny you failed to understand what he was saying.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Noghri ViR As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
This isn't a prank. It actually happened.
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anubis 2
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion :words:
So why are you whining on the forums, as opposed to blowing up Internet spaceships?
No matter what anyone in GS did or didn't do, it won't erase the fact that you've defaced someone's memory in the most public way possible.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:14:00 -
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He was saying that a lot of us, in and out of BoB were already fighting for 0.0 space when the rewards were not as lucrative. Therefore implying that GoonSwarm choosing to take refuge in empire, or alt characters, is a sign that they fear loss too much. You see elitism because you have a bone to pick.
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Desiderata Fabian
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:15:00 -
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Man so much of this would have been avoided if Sir Molle had said "We are bored and want to fight the goons" or "We have decided to give these young up and comers a taste of real steel" or "We think Goonswarm represent a potential future threat and have decided to nip this alliance in the bud" or any one of a thousand other things...
Why has this all descended into madness?
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anubis 2
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion He was saying that a lot of us, in and out of BoB were already fighting for 0.0 space when the rewards were not as lucrative. Therefore implying that GoonSwarm choosing to take refuge in empire, or alt characters, is a sign that they fear loss too much. You see elitism because you have a bone to pick.
Sorry, but regarding anyone as "outsiders" is a form of elitism.
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Twyce Nyetlee
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Noghri ViR As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
Oh man, if you're not careful you're going to upset them so much they'll leave S-U and go where we actually are.
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Noghri ViR As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
I think this ends this thread.
Take it ingame people, love each other, hate each other, shoot each other, ignore each other whatever.
But cease bringing up the RL stuff.
Everyone. ___
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Grayton: various forms of resistance mean nothing if we do not see their effects. While there is no actual armed resistance being offered, and while we continue to shoot GoonSwarm pilots down like flies in S-U, we will continue to be disapointed at the laughable lack of resitance offered by an alliace that is so ambitious.
You have still not answered about whether or not you agree with my question that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force? I find it odd that you expect for resistance to be immediate and on a huge scale, especially since we are returning from two months of constant war. Once again, patience is a virtue.
I am not going to comment on the first and second paragraphs of your post as, no offense, but it is just things that have been rehashed over and over.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Man so much of this would have been avoided if Sir Molle had said "We are bored and want to fight the goons" or "We have decided to give these young up and comers a taste of real steel" or "We think Goonswarm represent a potential future threat and have decided to nip this alliance in the bud" or any one of a thousand other things...
Why has this all descended into madness?
Because saying that would portray BoB as a bully. They can't hurt their e-pride in the face of the public so they need a reason to deface us (but consequently themselves as well).
However, had they just come out and said that, I would've welcomed it.
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:20:00 -
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This thread has gone off topic.
I suggest you all find other ways of expressing your anger and disappointment with the other, and that those ways are ingame.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Grayton
So you are agreeing with my statement that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force? Also, just because you may not think we are resisting, does not mean we are not resisting. Resistance comes in many forms; it does not have to be limited to just fleet combat.
BoB isn't deciding what is offensive in Eve, just what they find offensive. Just because you guys like to think people have the right to say whatever they want, does not mean that they can do so without consequence. If they are unable to moderate their behaviour in the face of a wider community, then they have to be willing to accept that offending the sensibilities of that community, or groups within it, may have unforseen consequences.
If you don't like that, or think that it unfair that people have reacted in the way that they have, e-cry me a river.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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