http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/inside-design-dodge

i think some compelling arguments are raised as to why game mechanics focused on randomness should be phased out of competitive games.

How effective would a smart-bomb loaded cruiser on standby be for anti-falcon tactics?

I know it isn't ideal, but I'd prefer to discuss tactics using existing mechanics rather than whine about changing them. It seems more productive.

When a falcon has 4 mid slots dedicated to shutting you down, and has spent as many months training EW skills to level 5, there is absolutely nothing random about it. Be grateful they can only get one, maybe two, ships at a time, and quit whining.

ive spent years rolling dice, its not random when i throw a 6.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/inside-design-dodge

i think some compelling arguments are raised as to why game mechanics focused on randomness should be phased out of competitive games.

you you can also fit 1-2x mods to counter jam him (that's why ECCM is).

How effective would a smart-bomb loaded cruiser on standby be for anti-falcon tactics?

I know it isn't ideal, but I'd prefer to discuss tactics using existing mechanics rather than whine about changing them. It seems more productive.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/inside-design-dodge

i think some compelling arguments are raised as to why game mechanics focused on randomness should be phased out of competitive games.

The arguments for and against randomness in general are rather more extensive and complex, but as a general rule I'd lean towards preferring to use something more deterministic, both because randomness makes planning less reliable, and because people's instinctive understanding of statistics/randomness is pretty low.

I don't read it as an argument for removing randomness, but rather just one for removing dodge from LoL (finally!). They're still keeping crits as random, for example.

The arguments for and against randomness in general are rather more extensive and complex, but as a general rule I'd lean towards preferring to use something more deterministic, both because randomness makes planning less reliable, and because people's instinctive understanding of statistics/randomness is pretty low.

(For a game aiming to be as competitive as LoL is, I'd not be surprised to see them moving towards eliminating randomness in other mechanics too, and falling back on "every third hit" sort of mechanics where there's a need for variable outcomes. If you look at SC2, for example, I think the only random roll in the entire game is for starting positions, and after that everything is deterministic.)

Another problem with 'No random' is that things are too predictable.

It will come to the stage where its so predictable that any fleet simply will not engage another because there is no chance, statistically that they will win.

Even given the randomness of human nature.

As long as the game has a counter to randomness, (be that skillz, mods, or bonuses) I'm fine with randomness in my EVE!

When a falcon has 4 mid slots dedicated to shutting you down, and has spent as many months training EW skills to level 5, there is absolutely nothing random about it. Be grateful they can only get one, maybe two, ships at a time, and quit whining.

So if i train guns for many months, and dedicate 8 high slots for shooting people, surely i should be able to take out one ship? and they should be greatful that i can only take out one, maybe two at a time. Logic, you suck at it.

Indeed. In fact randomness doesnt exist... It just cant be effectively made. However number of equation finished by computer is higher then number of equation done by human being in real time. Simple fact that human beings are dumb as hell and cant compete with speed of computer makes randomness "real"

I don't read it as an argument for removing randomness, but rather just one for removing dodge from LoL (finally!). They're still keeping crits as random, for example.

The arguments for and against randomness in general are rather more extensive and complex, but as a general rule I'd lean towards preferring to use something more deterministic, both because randomness makes planning less reliable, and because people's instinctive understanding of statistics/randomness is pretty low.

(For a game aiming to be as competitive as LoL is, I'd not be surprised to see them moving towards eliminating randomness in other mechanics too, and falling back on "every third hit" sort of mechanics where there's a need for variable outcomes. If you look at SC2, for example, I think the only random roll in the entire game is for starting positions, and after that everything is deterministic.)

Another problem with 'No random' is that things are too predictable.

It will come to the stage where its so predictable that any fleet simply will not engage another because there is no chance, statistically that they will win.

Even given the randomness of human nature.

That's fair - but you have to admit that history has proven time and time again that sometimes random events have cost entire battles. Some things you simply can't plan for. And the first casualty of battle is always the plan.

What I'm afraid of is that EVE turns into the "I got the magic item now I always win" game. Last week I lost a Falcon, despite being at max skill. Why? The guy had fit ECCM and honestly Falcons have no tank and no DPS, so if you don't jam you are dead. Now I'm not complaining - this is as it should be. The Falcon is a highly specialized ship and giving it tank or DPS would make it too tough.

But I think that any solution should be skill based. Someone who has taken the time to look up and train all those exotic skills should definitely have a clear advantage over someone who just focused on gunnery. Yet more and more I see that EVE is turning into the "copy the magic ship fit" game and creativity is actually being removed. Witness all the "winmatar" ships. Back in the day (Exodus, when I started) it was the magic Raven. In EVE there always seems to be one single fit that is superior to everything else - and frankly that sucks.