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Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:00:00 - [181] Originally by: Mistress Suffering stagnation stuff Well, as a side-subject of some relevance then. Sure, the goosn could have gotten far if they wanted. I now doubt they had the more traditional form (build base, then go to town) of Eve allaince of group powerbase building in mind in the first place, but they could have still pulled it off if they'd done a few things just wslightly differently. And who knows, they still might, somehow. In general however, I don;t beleive eve is neccesarily stagnant. Ask yourself, what is the head start the big powerblocks have based on mainly ? Right, solid logistics and even better leadership. Witht he logistics partyly dependent on the limited t2 technology tree and leadership soemthing that's not guaranteed to last either, whoever says that things will naturally last ? They ahve never lasted in the past, I don't doubt that things will change again in future, even if they might need some helping along maybe. Old blog
Calenth Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:02:00 - [182] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Aside from the occaisional demand for "missl," I have never seen anything BUT mature (albeit goofy and irreverent) gameplay from the Goons. They're mouthy, but they don't commit any crimes that any other corp or alliance isn't guilty of from time to time. Sure, they don't have the same goals that most of us have when we're playing Eve, but so what? Should sending someone you don't know other then from his alliance tag a mail about his "insert expletive description that's below any standar of human decency" be considered acceptable in any single way shape or form, let alone mature ? Irreverent my ass, it's simply not done, period. If you're thinking about the same incident I am, I think that might actually have been a deliberate attempt by a spy to make us look bad -- I'm pretty sure we've had at least one incident of that in the past week, although I don't have first-hand verification. Things like that happen when you allow newbie players into your alliance, though, and we have to do that or we wouldn't be what we are. Of course, there are a couple of possible reactions people outside our alliance can have when presented with a situation like that. 1) They could contact a Goon director and go "hey, you've got a guy who's acting like an ass, discipline him!" You know, especially since it's in a private mail, which nobody in GoonSwarm would've even known about. or 2) They can go to the forums and start posting about how all 2500 GoonSwarm members are as bad as this guy and utterly evil and a "cancer on eve" and GOODBYE GOONS and whatnot. Which is more likely to actually get the idiot punished? Which is more likely to stir ** up and worsen the situation as 2500 goons get **ed off that they're being slandered? Which is the more mature, adult response? Which would you prefer players in other alliances to grant you, if a member of your alliance acted insultingly? (example: I don't hold the various blanket real-life threats against Goonfleet members against all of BoB).
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:04:00 - [183] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Aside from the occaisional demand for "missl," I have never seen anything BUT mature (albeit goofy and irreverent) gameplay from the Goons. They're mouthy, but they don't commit any crimes that any other corp or alliance isn't guilty of from time to time. Sure, they don't have the same goals that most of us have when we're playing Eve, but so what? Should sending someone you don't know other then from his alliance tag a mail about his "insert expletive description that's below any standar of human decency" be considered acceptable in any single way shape or form, let alone mature ? Irreverent my ass, it's simply not done, period. I don't know if you know this ... but there IS an established in-game mechanism for dealing with people you don't want contacting you. Granted, you have to GET the contact first, but ... let's just say that if you really want a guarantee that you'll never be exposed to objectionable speech/images/content, then the whole "Internet" thing might not be for you. And even IF individual Goons are raving grody-o-paths who pester you based on the fact that you're a BoB, doing the same thing doesn't really give you the high ground. The Billionaire Buccaneer (A Blog for the Bored)
Widebrant GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:09:00 - [184] Originally by: Calenth Which is more likely to actually get the idiot punished? Which is more likely to stir ** up and worsen the situation as 2500 goons get **ed off that they're being slandered? Which is the more mature, adult response? Which would you prefer players in other alliances to grant you, if a member of your alliance acted insultingly? Which, to recycle a phrase, is the greater display of consideration? -- Goodbye. This is personal.
Calenth Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:13:00 - [185] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux I don't know if you know this ... but there IS an established in-game mechanism for dealing with people you don't want contacting you. Granted, you have to GET the contact first, but ... let's just say that if you really want a guarantee that you'll never be exposed to objectionable speech/images/content, then the whole "Internet" thing might not be for you. And even IF individual Goons are raving grody-o-paths who pester you based on the fact that you're a BoB, doing the same thing doesn't really give you the high ground. Yeah. We had a thread on our private forums the other day about all this. The near-unanimous response was "Good lord, why won't the GM's ban these **wits when they say things like that?" Yes, we were talking (not exclusively, but still, inclusively) about our own members. As long as we take newbies, we're going to have a few wits. We're perfectly happy disciplining them. Honestly, we're pretty happy when the GM's discipline them, too, because it saves us the trouble. But there's only so much control you can have over newbies on trial accounts with no assets, and we have to take in people like that or we wouldn't be what we are; 99% of those we take in are great people, 1% are **wits, that's just the price you pay. The rest of eve can either recognize that and accept it, and accept that we've been trying to deal with it all along and not hold it against us, or they can get all righteous and offended and hold it against us. But any other alliance that took in large numbers of new players would have to deal with the same thing. In practice, being angry that we can't have 100% total control over our membership is just being angry that we take in a lot of newbie players. The two are pretty much inseparable.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:18:00 - [186] Originally by: Calenth If you're thinking about the same incident I am I'm not as you;re the first to hear about seeing it happened yesterday evening. It wasn't an alt or spy or whatever either. Anyway, it does not matter. The mere fact that even a week after the positions have been made clear and people have told you about the things that have been said and doen to anger us goonswarm still proves incapable of holding its members in check when it comes to adhereing to basic rules of decency is enough for me. That doesn;t mean I think your a cancer or something, I don;t tend to make that kind of ott statements. However, from what I've seen so far I can't but say that it's simply not on. If it changes it does, but untill that time things will stay as they are as far as I'm concerned. Old blog
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:21:00 - [187] But BoB can hold its members in check? Are stories about Goons going crazy and putting broomsticks up their wazoo "in check"? Or are they actions of one member who just HAPPENS to be nuttier than a squirrel turd? The Billionaire Buccaneer (A Blog for the Bored)
Ouroboron Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:29:00 - [188] Edited by: Ouroboron on 04/08/2006 23:29:47 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux But BoB can hold its members in check? Are stories about Goons going crazy and putting broomsticks up their wazoo "in check"? Or are they actions of one member who just HAPPENS to be nuttier than a squirrel turd? BoB doesn't respond to logic, especially when it's tainted with truth. All members of BoB are infallible and perfect representatives of their entire alliance, because they all have "SELF-DISCIPLINE". Just one of Remedial's kamikaze fighter pilots, dying for the Swarm.
m3rb3aSt	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:34:00 - [189] Originally by: Abriana Overlord Edited by: Abriana Overlord on 04/08/2006 18:38:06 Originally by: EvilNate Edited by: EvilNate on 04/08/2006 11:46:21 I'm not sure whats gonna happen to this thread, it will probably get flammed to shreds as no-one seems to have the ability to be constructive anymore, but I'll give it a shot. I'm not trying to be insulting, but rather say what I see and how I think it could have been done a little better. When "the goons" first arrived, they recruited noobs left, right and center. Anyone and everyone was allowed to join. The Goonswarm corp grew, intensely till it eventually hit it's cap. Then goonwaffe was created and pretty much the same story. Eventually both corps made an alliance and became essentially one. Now, I think where goonswarm went wrong was in it's ability to control its members. How do you control a corp of 1500 ppl strong? (not sure on that count). I've been told that at first smack talking was not allowed, but due to the pure number of members, it was impossible to control, the same could be said for the forums I suppose. 1 person can not control 1500 ppl in this game. 1 person can however control 30-40 ppl, those 30-40 ppl can then control roughly 100 ppl each. Basically, I think GS should have split into smaller corps from the begining, creating small families who were all related via an alliance. Smaller corps are easier to control and police, helping things keep in order. Any contructive thoughts? Nate. TBH does not matter. All alliances have their testing times. Now it is the goons turn. Lets stop all the navel gazing, over analysis, and frankly useless forum bullsiht. Sort out your fittings undock (goons) and fight War is here And get mowed down simply because you guys have 10x the SP and virtually infinite t2 ships and gear? You guys act like this is an even fight, when in reality you guys should have no trouble at all rolling over the goons. Hence why you guys get to camp SU. We aren't stupid enough to waste isk on the fight that you guys so desperately crave. You know what? If you want the fight, supply us with some ships. Then I am sure we would be more then happy to fight you guys. The thing is that as a relativily new player, I can't go around wasting isk on bigger ships, when a frigate will serve just as well.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:35:00 - [190] Originally by: dantes inferno the main defence ive seen a few times from the goons is a load of rubbish about bob this, bob that. what they fail to relise that peoples poor opinion of them do not come from bob. but that actions of their own members, any one who had fought them know how bob like to bend the truth, and would not base a opinion about you on that alone. TBH your the ones tying the noose not bob. the first problem is the constent contempt from your members on people who like to immerse themselves in the game, with comments of e this and that, immaginary space ships and all the other drivel you come out with. for the majority of players this immersion is what makes it fun, without it i would of been bored of eve months ago, i play my character as someone haetful and short tempered, i foccus soly on the destruction of a enemy...such as my long standing "hate" for FIX. in reality im a even tempered person who would probably get a long with most of the people i pretend to hate. this immersion and minor RP adds a lot more flavour to the game, but you goons critise this method of play, then have the gaul to complain when people critise how you want to play the game...hypocrisy much? The secon problem you have is the general attitude of your members, you bring across the same attitude in you SA forums, shove it in the eve communities face..then expect us to like it? i think it should be obvious to most of you by now that a lot of the eve community dont, so dont be suprised when you are "rejected" in return..does this mean you have to conform and bow down to our wishes??? no..it means you show a bit of respect and consideration...you will find when you start to do that you get it in return (though you like every else in the game will be subject to the RP darth vaders making demands on you). personaly i dont think that the goons who are casuing these problems will ever integrate..they seem to object to things which are a major part of eve gameplay (specialy in 0.0) and make eve the game it is. But ive seen a lot of wars in eve..a lot of heated arguments, but ive never seen a level of contempt towards a group as i see towards Goonsquad..so instead of moaning and complaining and going on about e this and that..they should sit down and relise why..and prhaps work on it. and before any smart alec tries to comment on it: yes my spelling and grammer sucks...tough sh%t Never thought i would agree with mr dantes inferno lol you summed it up pretty good. <3 Nicky Curso BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:41:00 - [191] Originally by: Exioce okay, let's cut to the chase - what do you, or the rest of the community, want from Goonswarm exactly, and what tangible thing will we get in exchange? From my perspective thats an easy one. I'd like to see Goonswarm do something original and different and not just be a faceless identikit 0.0 NBSI clan with blobby tactics and cheesy smack-talking. What you get in exchange is noteriety and fame and a lasting place in the game's mythology. Hows that sound? _________________
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:44:00 - [192] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux But BoB can hold its members in check? Are stories about Goons going crazy and putting broomsticks up their wazoo "in check"? They're a whole lot better then what was in the mail I got and then what I've seen around in local channels lately. Want to hold an insult-measuring contest ? Oh wait no, that's not going to do much good is it Things are as they are, the ball is yours now. Fight, die, or think of a way to sort it out. Old blog
LLeBRing Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:45:00 - [193] Originally by: Ouroboron The EVEO forums are filled with BoB chestbeating, where the common catch phrase seems to be that every thread becomes a BoB thread. We get it. We really do. You guys think you're king of the hill, and want us to kowtow. Well, I'm not saying I entirely disagree with that statement, however, I will say that it's more or less the un-named thread starters and repliers that are generally disgruntled with their style of game-play, that creates that forum image. The difference in this situation is that most of the threads are not created nor replied to, by incompetent (not saying all are), disgruntled, and roid-raged members of the community stricken with fear and anger over an encounter. For these brave warriors, the forums act as detox for the 'BoB experience.' So.... It speaks volumes when 'most' of the community is able to sympathize with a cause and a subsequent war by these 'king of the hill chest-beating' lunatics. This 'stuff' often, regardless of personal sa***uards, gets personal. It's also harder to see and recognize the truths from another side and admit a fault when things escalate in this game. Ah well... been there, done that, your turn. It's a good learning experience, maybe the hive will learn something from it. RONA Corporation
Crean NaVar Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:47:00 - [194] Originally by: Ouroboron I'm starting to wonder if the people who think we aren't playing this game to the fullest might be learning diabled. Or, lacking in basic english comprehension, which is fine for those born in foriegn lands. Read my post again. I didn¦t say that you don¦t play this game at all. I said that the way how you do it when you do is not the cause of your problems with the community. I¦m german, but I still think you¦re the one lacking basic english comprehension here.
Edouard Goursat	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:48:00 - [195] You guys should be happy with the respect you are getting. In every other MMORPG, we rarely quote-reply all your 5-paragraph treatises with anything more than "what","lol", or "butts".
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:57:00 - [196] Originally by: Widebrant You know what: GoonSwarm is not the destruction of the EVE community, we are the harbinger of something that has been long coming. CCP makes next to no effort to integrate corporations and alliances into the storyline of EVE. During the XZH campaign, and the following declaration of total war by BOB, we have had, so far as I can recall, exactly one news story on the subject -- about GoonSwarm invading NORAD space. While I agree that ccp is not good enough at integrating player led action into the plotline and definately pretty poor at keeping the events and plot development interesting - I do think that you have to conform to some standards of roleplay and representation to expect to make it into the news. Its actively corrosive to the atmosphere of the game to just play nerdy ooc geek personnas the whole time and not make an effort to depict yourselves as corporations and organisations rooted in the background of the game in some way. I mean If I decided I wanted to play captain Archer of Enterprise and formed a corporation with people named after the crew of that awful tv show I'd not expect to get in the news because its just silly and not keeping with the setting. You do need to roleplay the PR function of your alliance like it or hate it. Quote: ...Other than this, we get the normal pointless jammering on about emperor this and high priest that -- news that have absolutely zero impact on the game we play. Well it has an impact on people playing corporations "loyal" to those interests and they play in the same server you do. I admit that recent news has been a bit crap but in the old days at least it could be very relevent. Back when a billion was a lot of money JF made about 10b isk one week because we actually followed the news and took it seriously. It wasn't always irrelevent. Quote: Moreover, the new exciting feature in Kali is factional warfare, where the game is supposed to take over the role of corporations. Lord forbid that we should be given more power to create our own game. Depends if its more capture-the-flag in space stuff to be honest. The real villain of the piece when it comes to letting people play their own game is the infrastructure development and structures for advanced content. That stuff is practically on rails. Quote: GoonSwarm doesn't fit in, and in my opinion this is largely because we see from the very first day we start playing just how empty the backstory of EVE has become, how divorced it is from the reality of 0.0 space. The reality of 0.0 is very boring currently. Everyone is the same. No heroes and no villains and universal NBSI = dullsville central with people slogging for POS wars and grinding labour for capital status symbols. Thats not all the fault of the backstory - but it is the case that player endeavour has been railroaded by the capture-the-flag methodology of recent patches. Quote: You may not like our alternative to the old style of EVE roleplaying, which is fair enough, our sense of humor is not universally acceptable. But the solution is not to condemn us for creating our own game. Rather, create something better, more mature and more interesting yourselves. Who knows, we might just give up our childish ways and come to play with the grownups. But right now, we're the only alliance that has even reached adolescence. Ours is the first teenage rebellion of EVE. Ironically its not. I'd say BoB was the first true teenage rebellion in Eve back when they eschewed alliance politics and empire building for a roving combat ideology and bonds of loyalty between fighters in their corps. They'd just come out of a monumental war between old territorial ideologies and decided to screw that and shoot everyone. Of course like all teenagers they grew up, got jobs and morgages and settled down in Delve to get rich. But don't figure the Goons were the first to break the conventions of eve. _________________
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:11:00 - [197] Originally by: Exioce we don't always push the "what a silly starship game phew phew!" business. in truth, the only time we bring that up is as a reaction to what we perceive as pompousness and perspective-loss on the part of others. i've been writing EVE stories and roleplaying it up as far back as i can remember, but even i couldn't resist the recent opportunity - need, some might say - to troll BoB to all hell. Heh, to be honest I have misgivings with the BoB philosophy as well. I think they have contributed by their success and broad influence to the erosion of Eve's single player and small corp experience. A selling point of this game was "be what you can be" and the freedom that entailed but these days to be anything meaningful increasingly requires becoming a cog in a wheel and grinding away on POS industry super projects etc. BoB are the most successful powerblock in the game and attract the game's most skillful players - their leaders love the big teamplay approach to the game and that obviously feeds back to the developers who what to keep the best and brightest happy. Thats all well and good but it has left a whole raft of career paths and possibilities under developed and poorly represented. Quote: the idea that Goonswarm is necessarily belligerent towards the whole of the EVE community and particularly roleplayers is, as i see it, another manufactured propaganda device. think of it - JF is a serious roleplaying corp, like many others. has a single Goon ever disrupted a JF thread or that of any other roleplaying corp? not once, and it is unlikely to ever happen. thing is when we see Molle making boasts and claims and declaring war on people we see it as his character doing these things and we don't care to think about the player somewhere in europe. That "war" thread today for example - DB Preacher made a typically bombastic chest-beating propaganda post in the classic style and we see that as fair enough really. If you want to refute or poke fun why not do it in character with a roleplay voice? Just dropping charactisation and attacking the people behind the avatars damages everyone's suspension of disbelief and since this is a single server the contamination is inevitable. Quote: we are a clique, but not one that's completely closed, or completely intolerant. as said earlier, we have never and will (hopefully) never insult or disrupt the fun of anyone who chooses to play differently, roleplayers being the prime example. we are currently at war with several of the largest entities in EVE though - powergamers the lot of them - and yes, if they act the toughguy we'll troll them incessantly because even moreso than flinging kamikaze frigates at our enemies we've got ridiculing down to a fine art. Why troll? Why not get writing some decent propaganda and counterattack in imaginative and creative ways against your enemies? Its pretty clear that the Goons have a large number of quality people in the ranks well capable of holding a decent conversation and deploying powerful rhetoric and incisive political counterattacks. You know what the setting of the game is, you know what the context of corporate hostility is. Why not respond to these in game attacks with high quality roleplayed response and put your money where your mouth is. Just responding to getting a beating in-game by dropping character and making personal trolling attacks on the forums is a bit weak and pathetic and you guys must surely have more style than that somewhere. Quote: what won't happen in any hypothetical victory or stalemate situation for Goonswarm though would be for us to become the new "old school" authority figures. Goonswarm would not be Goonswarm anyone if its members ever started acting that way. then why not be a true resistance movement and start painting the conflict in mythological terms - this is a game of lets pretend - why not raise the game to a clash of idealogy and broader challenge? _________________
Arele Minmatar Agronards Haulage Company	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:14:00 - [198] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Exioce okay, let's cut to the chase - what do you, or the rest of the community, want from Goonswarm exactly, and what tangible thing will we get in exchange? From my perspective thats an easy one. I'd like to see Goonswarm do something original and different and not just be a faceless identikit 0.0 NBSI clan with blobby tactics and cheesy smack-talking. What you get in exchange is noteriety and fame and a lasting place in the game's mythology. Hows that sound? Maybee they could care less about RP'n in a space mmog? Do what floats your boat. For you that is RP'n For Goonswarm it's having fun doing whatever they want. For some it's sitting in 0.0 mining for months without firing a shot For some it's sitting in empire running missions forever For others it's playing the markets Point being, just because someone else doesn't play the game with the same values or ideals that you have, doesn't mean they are wrong. The whole smoske thing is just a sad play on everyone's part. As usual the forum warriors are hard at work, but that is the status quo for the last two years - isn't it?
Calenth Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:17:00 - [199] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux But BoB can hold its members in check? Are stories about Goons going crazy and putting broomsticks up their wazoo "in check"? Or are they actions of one member who just HAPPENS to be nuttier than a squirrel turd? The impression I get is that BoB doesn't really care if BoB members offend or insult other people. I think it ties into this whole "trial by video game combat is a good way to settle moral and ethical issues" thing.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:24:00 - [200] Originally by: Ouroboron I think this is the point you are missing. We have respect from those whose respect we are concerned about. You, I believe, want us to spend time trying to get YOU (and your buddies) to respect us. I don't know. You guys play dirty on the forums, and pull the same kind of crap you accuse our members of doing. "the same type of offense". Thing is its not enough to just point fingers and say "those guys are just as bad" -> if you are in the business of trying to build a reputation (and regardless of claims to the contrary you guys clearly are) you can't afford to be "just as bad" as the people you want to fight. You need a bit more dignity and feel for what will really go down well in paradigm and score you propaganda and prestige points. Bob don't respect anyone who can't fight - that much was clear a long time ago, and you get the respect by fighting your corner and blowing up ships and putting your propaganda points across in an effective way. Quote: The EVEO forums are filled with BoB chestbeating, where the common catch phrase seems to be that every thread becomes a BoB thread. We get it. We really do. You guys think you're king of the hill, and want us to kowtow. Yep they sure are full with BoB stuff and thats why a lot of people (myself included) wanted to see some new alternatives and fresh ideas coming to the fore. I'm sure BoB do think they are kings of the hill but I suspect they'd rather fight you than just see a bunch of kowtowing. Quote: No. We won't. Kowtowing to chest pounders doesn't sound very fun. At all. Even for rp personalities created as tools to interact in a virtual universe. I don't want to kowtow to people like as me, and I sure as hell don't want to roleplay kowtowing to people like that. Then don't. Fight the power, fight to win and sit down honestly to think about how you go about winning this conflict. But realise its not just about spaceships in space going "pew-pew" -> its about ideas and ideologies and only the genuinely creative with find a way to rise above the detritus of the pack. Nobody is going to help an identikit "mini-bob" fight the old guard to become the new kings of the hill - especially not if their PR and public reputation is so universally poor. If you are here in Eve to fight you need to step back a bit and realise that "fighting" here happens on many levels and defeating enemies is as much about the art of war as sound and fury at stargates. _________________
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:30:00 - [201] Originally by: Arele Maybee they could care less about RP'n in a space mmog? Do what floats your boat. For you that is RP'n For Goonswarm it's having fun doing whatever they want. For some it's sitting in 0.0 mining for months without firing a shot For some it's sitting in empire running missions forever For others it's playing the markets Point being, just because someone else doesn't play the game with the same values or ideals that you have, doesn't mean they are wrong. The whole smoske thing is just a sad play on everyone's part. As usual the forum warriors are hard at work, but that is the status quo for the last two years - isn't it? RP'ing is everything political in this game. Every war is an RP war because at some point somebody has to get a character avatar to speak to the troops and justify it. Every manouver, intrigue, misdirection, infiltration, stunt and grand offensive is an RP move and its ridiculous to try and strip the actions of a politically active alliance from its in-game context. Goonswarm's "fun" involved going to 0.0 and claiming space. That was claiming a big seat at frontier politics and declaring they were ready to take any kind of beating anybody felt like dealing out. Thats a profoundly ic decision for any corp in this game to make and complaining about people "roleplaying" darth vader when they hand out a kicking is about as lame as people taking their first cruiser to .4 belts and getting whacked by pirates. _________________
Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:35:00 - [202] Goons started and showed hope for new players to make a stand even against the old timers who had all the ressources and experience. Then Goons found the forums and trained smacktalk level 5. The end.
Kai'Lee	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:46:00 - [203] Originally by: Treylis Originally by: Kryztal English isnt my native language, noob. What's the point in calling him a "noob" in this regard rather than, say, a pedant? (OK, I doubt that would actually be said, but, you get my meaning.) Is he somehow inferior simply because he hasn't been playing the game for as long as you have? your a*** and you know it, prolly for the same reason the guy who was quoted slated someone for slack english even though its not their first language (same for me btw in case you cant tell ) btw by*** i meant a chicken who make s lot of noise
Herberge GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:59:00 - [204] Originally by: Rod Blaine I don;t really get why you figure that goonswarm would pose any serious threat to anyone just yet. We don't, that's the point. This is the usual BoB thing of "kick the ******* before they get up, while pretending what we want is a stand-up fight".
Herberge GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:07:00 - [205] Originally by: Rod Blaine It wasn't an alt or spy or whatever either. Finally, somebody who has the list of all the spies and alts in our alliance. Could you forward it to Remedial? We've been looking for that thing for ages.
Exioce Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:11:00 - [206] Originally by: Zardock Goons started and showed hope for new players to make a stand even against the old timers who had all the ressources and experience. Then Goons found the forums and trained smacktalk level 5. The end. we had smacktalk level 5 trained since before any of us came to EVE. it was only employed here after BoB went and dug out a four month old post as justification for their chest-beating. a four day old post? sure, people read back four days. a few might even read back four weeks. but four months? that's searching for a pretext. it was BoB who brought smoske to the forums, to twist to their own ends, not us.
Ouroboron Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:31:00 - [207] Ixnay on the DON'T BRING THAT UPthay!! Does your house have an edit button? Just one of Remedial's kamikaze fighter pilots, dying for the Swarm.
Exioce Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:32:00 - [208] Edited by: Exioce on 05/08/2006 01:35:40 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine thing is when we see Molle making boasts and claims and declaring war on people we see it as his character doing these things and we don't care to think about the player somewhere in europe. That "war" thread today for example - DB Preacher made a typically bombastic chest-beating propaganda post in the classic style and we see that as fair enough really. If you want to refute or poke fun why not do it in character with a roleplay voice? Just dropping charactisation and attacking the people behind the avatars damages everyone's suspension of disbelief and since this is a single server the contamination is inevitable. i put it to you that Goonswarm didn't actually start this downward spiral into OOC. it was BoB who brought the SOMETHING issue to the forums, by digging up a four month old post. four months takes some doing. Tetsujin's sig may well have been in bad taste, as most Goon jokes are, but it was true in a prophetic kind of way. SOMETHING has been a tool to be used against Goonfleet since the beginning, and by those who really couldn't care less about THAT SOMETHING either. BoB are simply the latest to jump on that bandwagon. Quote: Why troll? Why not get writing some decent propaganda and counterattack in imaginative and creative ways against your enemies? Its pretty clear that the Goons have a large number of quality people in the ranks well capable of holding a decent conversation and deploying powerful rhetoric and incisive political counterattacks. You know what the setting of the game is, you know what the context of corporate hostility is. Why not respond to these in game attacks with high quality roleplayed response and put your money where your mouth is. Just responding to getting a beating in-game by dropping character and making personal trolling attacks on the forums is a bit weak and pathetic and you guys must surely have more style than that somewhere. again, we didn't initiate this OOC downward spiral. and due to the aforementioned details we certainly don't buy the line BoB would have others believe. we regard every post BoB makes as OOC, and will repond in kind. Quote: then why not be a true resistance movement and start painting the conflict in mythological terms - this is a game of lets pretend - why not raise the game to a clash of idealogy and broader challenge these things are nice when you have time. since its inception though, Goonfleet has been in a state of constant war with someone or other - and always an established group with more skillpoints and resources. and so the trend continues. perhaps in a time of peace we may well do as you suggest, but right now our priorities must necessarily lie elsewhere. edited for stuff.
Kayl Breinhar Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:57:00 - [209] Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 05/08/2006 01:59:59 Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 05/08/2006 01:59:38 Edited because I fear The Mittani and his blanket and checked these forums before our own
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.08.05 02:25:00 - [210] Originally by: DB Preacher Now they will be harassed, griefed and abused constantly ingame through pvp as a result. How you don't get a ban or a severe warning for that i'll never understand. Originally by: El Berto ...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.

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