Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Post Nr.: 453 + 456

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Seriously, I'm not arguing that. All I've posted is in reference to BoBs ambition to remove them entirely from the game, not just fight and destroy the alliance.

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Eradicating Goons from Eve has nothing to do with making people quit eve.

The same way eradicating PA, FA, SA, VC, IMP, CODA etc etc etc etc had anything to do with making their members quit the game.

Your history of eve is lacking and therefore your understanding of intention is lacking.

You'll learn though.
dbp

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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You two are possibly the most sane pair I've so far encountered in these here forums. Thanks for the replies guys.

So in conclusion (my conclusions noone elses)
With BoBs inability to sing from the same hymm sheet as to actually why they are so pi**ed off it does indeed look as if they have used every trick in the book (which is legal and fair to do in the world of Eve) in order to have a reason to attack Goonswarm.
Because of the inconsistency's I and others have pointed out in past posts, the reality is that Goonswarm achieved not a success, but more than anyone anticipated with the D2 campaign. BoB in it's wisdom have calculated what could happen in a years time, particularly if Goonswarm were to establish links with other big league entities such as ASCN, and have decided to annihilate them now rather than be in the embarrassing situation of potentially fighting a battle that becomes long and drawn out further down the line inviting more enemies to participate while BoB is occupied.

MAN! I am loving this political intrigue stuff! I'm just gonna set long skills and post here for a year or two

CAPTAIN THUNK

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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You two are possibly the most sane pair I've so far encountered in these here forums. Thanks for the replies guys.

So in conclusion (my conclusions noone elses)
With BoBs inability to sing from the same hymm sheet as to actually why they are so pi**ed off it does indeed look as if they have used every trick in the book (which is legal and fair to do in the world of Eve) in order to have a reason to attack Goonswarm.
Because of the inconsistency's I and others have pointed out in past posts, the reality is that Goonswarm achieved not a success, but more than anyone anticipated with the D2 campaign. BoB in it's wisdom have calculated what could happen in a years time, particularly if Goonswarm were to establish links with other big league entities such as ASCN, and have decided to annihilate them now rather than be in the embarrassing situation of potentially fighting a battle that becomes long and drawn out further down the line inviting more enemies to participate while BoB is occupied.

MAN! I am loving this political intrigue stuff! I'm just gonna set long skills and post here for a year or two

CAPTAIN THUNK

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I tell you what Thunk, if that is what you want to believe, fine.

I would like for it to be true, because I love all that tinfoil hat stuff, but sadly it was nothing so clever.

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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endless fanboi rabble

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Problem here is no-ones holding BoB to account. I've been met by the same puerile humour, pathetic Internet one-liners and text-book forum cliches all from BoB that's supposedly marking SA as something different and inhuman. Why is it that SA is being held to account for a couple of members actions when BoB and others can get away with rogue elements?

Unfortunately when you know little about a large group of people it's easy to use a common factor and any ingrained associated stereotype. I don't see how people can accept this course of action believing that SA is some sort of "cancer" and needs to be exterminated. Do these people also hold to the opinion that "All middle-easterners are terrorists....they must be...they are from the middle-east for christ sake!" or "All East Europeans keep sheep in their front room. Thats what East Europeans do".
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First and foremost let me say
1) I am not a goon fanboi
2) I have nothing against BoB, per se
3) This is not intended as flame bait
4) I think this one of the best treads on the Eve-o in a while

With that said, someone please help me becasuse I think I'm going to be physically ill, but I must agree with Thunk on many points.

I will not even begin to discuss the convo/banner incident on Goons part, those events have been discussed and rehashed time and again in treads throughout these forums. But how does BoB differ? Because they made their motivation out of revenge? The incidents were in-game about events out of game. BoB took those in-game events out of game. I have heard time and again that the reason that everyone hates the Goons is because they chose not to be "a part" of the community. So BoB sunk to their level? I more than understand the anger and indigination at the events, however rather than make this personal, BoB could very easily have handled this within the context of the game and still achieved their end purpose. Their is no moral high ground on either side, period!

To the Goons, please read this tread carefully. The consensus expressed here knows now corp or alliance affiliation. I have seen it myself. I could never be associated with Remedial and the Goons because of their actions here (the political arena) or in the running of the alliance. With that said nor could I be affiliated with BoB and SirMolle.

Everyone should understand that because you put in your sig "the views are my own not my corp/Alliance" do not make it so. Every post on these forums are a reflection of the corp/alliance that member belongs to. And the minority of Goons that have made complete fools of themselves, has reflected on the Goons as a whole. Does that give any one corp/alliance the "right" to drive another out of the game? Game mechanics and political ebvironment day yes, morality should say no. Because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean you SHOULD!

This should be a lesson, not only to the Goons, but to all of Eve. If you choose to set yourself apart from the community, politics and PR of the game (these Forums) then you will create very large and powerful enimies that in the end will be your downfall.

To Jasmine and DC, very insightfull and well though posts.

Chief Tard (CEO)
Prism Ventures Ltd.

Originally by: Caybn E'vangel

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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endless fanboi rabble

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Accidently post with your main please.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/08/2006 13:55:47

Your conclusions are worse than the goonswarms pvp capabilities.

And they are terrible.

dbp

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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he left his corp

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No, he didn't.

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/08/2006 13:55:47

Your conclusions are worse than the goonswarms pvp capabilities.

And they are terrible.

dbp

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My conclusions are largely borne from the mixed messages received from BoB and the various reasons as to why this is going on. Myself, I blame the source material. You could of course do something about it and instead ensure all your members sing from the same hymm sheet. In the meantime I guess you'll just have to accept responsibility for your rogue elements even if this doesn't always involve war.

Perhaps you should stick to statistics DB Preacher, it appears to be where your strength lies.

CAPTAIN THUNK

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Well, I've just pointed out that Avons giving out false facts - sooo...ignore the blatant elephant in the living room if you wish, but I'm not so sure others will.

CAPTAIN THUNK

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