Enough is enough CCP. These things are easily overpowered and make ships like Tengu's and Drakes overpowered. These need to be nerfed a lot, 600-700 DPS at 110km?!? No Medium Sized Weapon can compare to that and not even some large.

HML's need a serious range nerf and HAM's also

I'm suggesting this:

HAM's
-25% Rate of Fire, This will decrease it's DPS bringing it in-line with other similar sized weapons, but as a bonus it decreases ammo usage
-20% Missile Flighttime, Again will bring it's range in-line with other weapon systems
As for that I feel they will be more balanced

HML's

+20% Powergrid Requirements
-60% Velocity
-50% Flighttime
-25% Heavy Missile Damage
+20% Explosion Radius

These changes will bring HML's and HAM's into line with the other medium weapons.

Obviously anyone who flys the tengu/drake/HML/HAM Launching Ships will hate these changes but they what's been needed for years

Enough is enough CCP. These things are easily overpowered and make ships like Tengu's and Drakes overpowered. These need to be nerfed a lot, 600-700 DPS at 110km?!? No Medium Sized Weapon can compare to that and not even some large.

HML's need a serious range nerf and HAM's also

I'm suggesting this:

HAM's
-25% Rate of Fire, This will decrease it's DPS bringing it in-line with other similar sized weapons, but as a bonus it decreases ammo usage
-20% Missile Flighttime, Again will bring it's range in-line with other weapon systems
As for that I feel they will be more balanced

HML's

+20% Powergrid Requirements
-60% Velocity
-50% Flighttime
-25% Heavy Missile Damage
+20% Explosion Radius

These changes will bring HML's and HAM's into line with the other medium weapons.

Obviously anyone who flys the tengu/drake/HML/HAM Launching Ships will hate these changes but they what's been needed for years

If the target is moving and is under the sig of the missile, it is impossible to do max damage against it.

Unlike turrets, where you only need to lower transversal.



The EFT damage figures for missiles are for max applied damage. They don't take sig and movement into account, as far as I know.

And what about light missiles? They can hit out to 60km, and get a dps close to small close range turrets (in EFT).

Alright guys, come on, someone post who doesn't solely use the Drake and Tengu in their eve life and actually uses medium guns on other ships than caldari

Jesus OP you are either extremely stupid or have never engaged in real pvp before, missiles are horribly underpowered and are almost never utilized in fleet pvp because of this. If anything they need a serious buff not a nerf. You really shouldn't make threads about things you know absolutely nothing about, as it makes you look really dumb.

lol, you think HML's can't do 600-700 DPS at 110km?

lol, you think HML's can't do 600-700 DPS at 110km?

You had to point out the outlying abilities of Drakes and Tengus accounting for them being everywhere and in the case of the Tengu everything for some folks.

I like the way you quote HAMs DPS with HML range. How about I moan about Projectiles quoting Autocannon DPS and Artillery range. Makes me look like I don't know what I'm talking about, doesn't it.

1 Drake 93592
2 Hurricane 89614

Tengu's are pretty OP or the other 3 don't match up but really in PvP the Cane is not far behind the Drake at all and is just as common.

Hurricane is largely there because of goons relatively new love for them. Regardless, Drake has been sitting at the top for a long time.

I'm suggesting this:

HML's

+10% Powergrid Requirements
-60% Velocity
-50% Flighttime
-20% Heavy Missile Damage

Confirmed. Heavy Missiles from 100km away are OP. The target dies before they even get there, could there be something more OP?

Also Confirmed in heavy Lag. Missiles disappearing do more damage then turrets hitting.

But you people need to realize that HML's are the long range weapons and HAM's are the short range weapons. Since HML's are used so often many people seem to think that Pulses, Blasters, AC's and HML's are all in the same "weapon group", when in reality HAM's belong in that group not HML's.

Sure, compared to Pulses, AC's and Blasters HML's damage may seems balanced but that's since your comparing it with the wrong weapons. Compare HML's to Rails, Arty and Beams and you'll quickly see how unbalanced it is. I mean give me Arty that does 600 DPS at 100km range and I'll be happy, maybe lower the PG requirements of Beams and it'll be nice, give rails more damage and that'd be sweet (Crucible ^^). You guys need to realize that.

4 gyro artycane - 294 dps, 2359 volley @ 54+22
4 BCU HML Drake - 490 dps, 3002 volley @ 76

Drake being able to do more damage, at greater range, whilst being able to tank more sounds perfectly fair to me. Missiles need balancing.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that the Caracal needs nerfing?