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Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:34:00 - [1] Moving away from the other eloquently written posts on the subject , the coalition would like to express our views of the recent attack on C-J. As has been clearly apparent, the coalition has been attempting to wrestle sovereignty away from RA in the aforementioned system. After a large scale assault on the POS's in C-J today, we have come to the conclusion that we would much rather fancy hitting the exhaust port of a fully armed and operational battle station. We believe our assault was well planned and had all the correct logistics in place. A large capital ship fleet began engaging one of RA's large POS putting it into reinforced mode quickly. In the process, the coalition lost capital ships, the pilots of which had no control of their clients. At the time of deployment, capital ships were additionally lost after relogging per crashes to desktopùwith no aggression timer. So what now? The coalition will wait until game mechanics improve before attempting our next assault on C-J. To tide ourselves over in the mean time we will cruise about doing our usual thing until an opportunity presents itself, (I'll probably concentrate on losing some more ships). Congratulations to RA on a well, if somewhat dubiously, conducted defense.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:35:00 - [2] Edited by: The Enslaver on 06/08/2006 22:35:48 Lets do it. --------
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:36:00 - [3] o/ Exciting times lie ahead. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Klezz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:37:00 - [4] Im in
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:37:00 - [5] Yarr? -
Stamm Amarr GALAXIAN	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:39:00 - [6] It's a TRAAAP! Nice banner. Congratulations to RA, looks like the heat is off. Please do something with POSs and lag CCP, seems the coalition faced exactly the same problems that D2 and Goonswarm faced.
Greenhalf Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:44:00 - [7] bb coalition GF ________________________________ PS: WTS capital pampers, for Shinra - discount Do not trust, be not afraid, do not ask.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:44:00 - [8] YARRR Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
AK74 REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:46:00 - [9] Edited by: AK74 on 06/08/2006 22:51:58 later, coaliton add: hey, Soraya! o/
Dillon Arklight Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:46:00 - [10] Lag and POS's. If anything is going to make people leave EVE its those.

Selfe Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:47:00 - [11] /signed Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:49:00 - [12] Congrats RA
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:51:00 - [13] I can go out and play again? YARR! I advise you all hide your women and children now.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:57:00 - [14] Question is will RA go for more stations now and if so, what will you do? ---------------
Terrytory	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:01:00 - [15] GF
StoreSlem Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:03:00 - [16] There is no module. "If you were experiencing a lag, it was not server related."
Kyguard LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:03:00 - [17] Edited by: Kyguard on 06/08/2006 23:05:50 Originally by: Amthrianius Question is will RA go for more stations now and if so, what will you do? Seconded. Good luck to the Coalition. Edit: It is just sad that the Coalition can't take over one system due to lag. CCP need to fix this asap. I'm not in the Coalition's shoes and this makes me frustrated, can't imagine it if I was. === God is on the side with the best artillery.
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:09:00 - [18] OMG RA you made it Terrific job
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:09:00 - [19] We dont stoped the war. We wait for a next chance... ...if EvE allow us that anytime. Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
Ale Tricio M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:10:00 - [20] G/F

munchy Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:12:00 - [21] omg u guys are brilliant, ur AWSOME way of hiding a blatant loss has fooled us all, you're not backing down to RA at all, its all CCP's fault.....yeah --- Originally by: Kaaii (UCC) We had better things to do with our resources in region. Mining Crimson ark.
CEO Pyrex DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:12:00 - [22] Was great fun, enjoyed the carrier group kicking serious bootey, was a blast.... shame about the endless soul crushing lag that stopped both sides being really effective. I saw RA start to lock up my carrier (obviously called primary) and only half of their bs locked and even less were able to put damage on me. feel sorry for both sides as the lag makes it a lucky dip as to who can activate modules. Feels the game has reached its zenith and is now lookin like a sad wheezing sinclair ZX unable to load even frogger. CCP suck, spend less money developing evetv, mugs, tshirts and penholders and spend some time and money on the servers so we can have these epic battles that keep us here. Respect to RA, CEO Pyrex ASCN version of HE-MAN
StiZum Hilidii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:13:00 - [23] Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 06/08/2006 23:12:48 hey RA next time your defending ill need the following sets while your doing them querious delve and venal. just put them in a can marked for me FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
Naphtalia Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:20:00 - [24] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 06/08/2006 23:12:48 hey RA next time your defending ill need the following sets while your doing them querious delve and venal. just put them in a can marked for me QFT
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Amthrianius Question is will RA go for more stations now and if so, what will you do? Defense is different to attack
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:28:00 - [26] Originally by: munchy omg u guys are brilliant, ur AWSOME way of hiding a blatant loss has fooled us all, you're not backing down to RA at all, its all CCP's fault.....yeah You must be some insane tactical expert! You know all the facts, take your fanboi attitude elsewhere please. --------
munchy Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:35:00 - [27] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: munchy omg u guys are brilliant, ur AWSOME way of hiding a blatant loss has fooled us all, you're not backing down to RA at all, its all CCP's fault.....yeah You must be some insane tactical expert! You know all the facts, take your fanboi attitude elsewhere please. take your god complex eslewhere plz --- Originally by: Kaaii (UCC) We had better things to do with our resources in region. Mining Crimson ark.
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:35:00 - [28] What was the damage? sig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:37:00 - [29] Originally by: munchy omg u guys are brilliant, ur AWSOME way of hiding a blatant loss has fooled us all, you're not backing down to RA at all, its all CCP's fault.....yeah Believe me, attack Large POS in crowded systems is almost impossible at the moment, look what happen in XZH
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Dillon Arklight Lag and POS's. If anything is going to make people leave EVE its those. It would certainly help if their defenses were more distributed and more sovereignty based. If defensive strength was always amplified by having a seat of power and weaker border or satellite structures, it might be possible to focus on attrition-based POS warfare, and fleets would have mutual objectives. Weaken pos generally, then make a defense/production amplifier in any system with a minimum of pos, and the surrounding constellation dominated to the minimum degree. Then we'll get some nice sprawl.

Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:42:00 - [31] Strong contender for best banner ever.
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:48:00 - [32] lagged out So you want to join us?
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:53:00 - [33] BWF was an absolute nightmare for lag etc, i think the MC would have lost a few ships even though we had 100% superiority just because of the lag etc had we sought to take the station from BB there at the time, so I can totally sympathise with the coalition forces here. Sucks. Hard. sig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
Archonon Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:56:00 - [34] After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap , after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, now we've got the ebil laggers. Humm perhaps if u weren't 10 alliances(sry it's certainly more but i stopped here) against RA u would have less lag in the system. Please stop crying on forums about ur unabilities to fight RA, and make useless post. Make ur petition as everyone and simply _______________________ Exitus Acta Probat
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Astasia Orian Strong contender for best banner ever. I like it too
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Archonon After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap , after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, now we've got the ebil laggers. Humm perhaps if u weren't 10 alliances(sry it's certainly more but i stopped here) against RA u would have less lag in the system. Please stop crying on forums about ur unabilities to fight RA, and make useless post. Make ur petition as everyone and simply At what point did using 300 people become an invalid tactic? We all know that the EVE servers can support it when setup to; Jita, Rens and EC-P8R (which wasn't that bad) as examples. --------
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:01:00 - [37] I agree that the lag sucks very bad in full systems. One of the great things about Eve is the potential for huge fleet fights, epic battles, hundreds of battleships and support duking it out, that you can't get anywhere else. Too bad you cannot actually get these things in Eve, either.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:01:00 - [38] I look forward to the day when Red Alliance no longer exist on tranquility. Good luck -LV-
ArcheryTXS Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:05:00 - [39] Originally by: The Enslaver At what point did using 300 people become an invalid tactic? We all know that the EVE servers can support it when setup to; Jita, Rens and EC-P8R (which wasn't that bad) as examples. next time send mail to GM so they can put more resource to the system u r trying to engage . / City Sadness...
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Archonon After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap , after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, now we've got the ebil laggers. Humm perhaps if u weren't 10 alliances(sry it's certainly more but i stopped here) against RA u would have less lag in the system. Please stop crying on forums about ur unabilities to fight RA, and make useless post. Make ur petition as everyone and simply Seriously, shut your piehole. If they didn't have overwhelming numbers RA would have just used a loging gank. I can't wait to read your forthcoming whine posts from tribute. You cn continue your RA fanboism from afar seeing that you quit out on them long ago when the going got tough.

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:09:00 - [41] /signed The dreads were there, around 30 (?), enough carrier support, a nice support fleet to protect the dreads and deal with the RED snipers and fighter drones, I'm not aware of any mistakes that happend during the engagement and I think the tactics was good today. Anyway it didn't work out. It seems that it's a lot easier to kill a node with pos engagements than to get sovereignty.
munchy Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:10:00 - [42] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: munchy Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: munchy omg u guys are brilliant, ur AWSOME way of hiding a blatant loss has fooled us all, you're not backing down to RA at all, its all CCP's fault.....yeah You must be some insane tactical expert! You know all the facts, take your fanboi attitude elsewhere please. take your god complex eslewhere plz So tell me how anyone could have taken the system? Yeah, exactly. like u said ens, im just a fanboi now, i dont know the details of the fights etc, all i know is the combat/logistics skills of RA, and the coalition. --- Originally by: Kaaii (UCC) We had better things to do with our resources in region. Mining Crimson ark.
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:12:00 - [43] I know how to fix your problem. Fight them 1 alliance at a time , maybe the lag will reduce, tho your ship looses will just be worse.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:16:00 - [44] Originally by: ArcheryTXS Originally by: The Enslaver At what point did using 300 people become an invalid tactic? We all know that the EVE servers can support it when setup to; Jita, Rens and EC-P8R (which wasn't that bad) as examples. next time send mail to GM so they can put more resource to the system u r trying to engage . We did. Several times. --------
Dragerest Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:17:00 - [45] give them hell RA
Dillon Arklight Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:23:00 - [46] Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 07/08/2006 00:24:14 We all know the effect lag plays when fighting large fleet battles or trying to take a POS(for both sides) even with just a relatively few people. Anyone who believes differently should leave Empire and come try for themselves. Instead of posting "omg how could you not win" or " i know about tactics this is how you should have done it blah blah blah"
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:48:00 - [47] I have examined the logs and my technical opinion is that ccp have a ferret in their trousers, its the only thing i can thing of that could cause such bad lag.
WRWR Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:59:00 - [48] coalitin bring 500+ people for fight 100 and cry about lags? yep, they just can't kill "dead" RED ALLIANCE
Catynia	Posted - 2006.08.07 01:04:00 - [49] Recient studies have shown a ferrit in the trousers to be a cure for lethargic behaviour, rather than a cause.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 01:07:00 - [50] Originally by: ArcheryTXS Originally by: The Enslaver At what point did using 300 people become an invalid tactic? We all know that the EVE servers can support it when setup to; Jita, Rens and EC-P8R (which wasn't that bad) as examples. next time send mail to GM so they can put more resource to the system u r trying to engage . I did that, ArcheryTXS 24h before the assault and far before downtime. Response: "Hi. Unfortunately, we do not have the means to manually assign server nodes to specific systems. Our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you. Best regards, GM Arkanon Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support" x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...

Walter Model CRICE Corporation Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.07 01:11:00 - [51] Good job Red Alliance! keep up the good work CCP... plz make the server playable in large scale fights. Chowdown.. kick ass banner _______________________________________________ "If the tanks succeed, then victory follows.", Guderian, 1937.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 01:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Amthrianius Question is will RA go for more stations now and if so, what will you do? RA usually tries to get sovereignty by dropping large poses, not by destroying them. When did RA kill the last real battle pos (large pos, well armed and well hardened) to get sovereignty back ? I have no idea. They probably stopped it, after they had a big number of dread losses some months ago. C-J fell due to a huge anchoring act on free moons, too, probably the largest number of poses ever anchored in a single operation, the system didn't fell, because RED killed POSes. So in the past RED has shown that they can anchor large amounts of pos, fuel and protect them, kill attacking dreads at their pos or at least revive their pos, after they got shot into reinforcement. (right ammount of strontium => pos leaves reinforcement and shields can be recharged at a daytime, when RED have superior numbers. ) But they haven't been in our position for a long time, where they actually had to destroy a dozen large towers to get sovereignty. If they have to take down battle poses and get attacked while doing it, they'll face the same problems, like everyone else. Currently RED can choose from long list of target systems. They are waiting for their chance to get another system cheap. They know, they would lose dreads too, if they started a massive dread attack on a heavily secured system, so they just wait for a cheap chance / for a mistake to anchor at free moons or shoot offline towers or really weak pos during their prime time. For us, the only target left was C-J and there was no easy way to get it besides kill these over 20 (?) poses. Ok, done with my subjective analysis of the situation.
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 02:13:00 - [53] Edited by: DTee on 07/08/2006 02:13:45 I think a post along the lines of honourable retreat rather then blaming game mechanics would have been better.
Puncher BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.07 02:26:00 - [54] This is bordering on hilarious, the coalition of 10000+ sent off with it's collective tail between it's legs... Grats RA!
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 02:26:00 - [55] Can't RA just pos zerg another system like they did in C-J to gain sov or do you have 50%+ of moons in all your stn systems possed up? If not then they could do the same as before and take another station or 5 and you would find yourself in the same situation just a different system. ---------------
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.08.07 03:38:00 - [56] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/08/2006 03:38:18 I can't help but feel that CCP have provided us with the machine to fight huge battles but not the engine to drive it. It's currently the number one concern the game faces, if you ask me.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 03:44:00 - [57] Thats wasnt a honor fight on both sides. Fact is... - CCP isnt able to support 350 of thier paying members (extra server)for only a few days. Fact is... - The Game Mechanics isnt able to support a havy management for more alliances and a force with 40+ CS¦s + support. Fact is... - The Game Mechanics isnt able to allow a hugh ammount of forces to engage a alliance with only 30-50 fighting peoples. Fact is... - lets do it like RA and we own EvE with only 30 active people and a few large POSes. Fact is... - RA did a good job and they understand to use the Game mechanics. Fact is... - We will come back... Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
Statics A.W.M	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:01:00 - [58] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 06/08/2006 23:12:48 hey RA next time your defending ill need the following sets while your doing them querious delve and venal. just put them in a can marked for me *Checks shady tactics handbook..." Yep, thought so, that's in chapter 4. No wonder.
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:06:00 - [59] This is a very big problem. In the current situation You cant play the game how its ment to be played.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:50:00 - [60] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 06/08/2006 23:12:48 hey RA next time your defending ill need the following sets while your doing them querious delve and venal. just put them in a can marked for me Stan FTW The truth will set you free

Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 05:06:00 - [61] I can only make observations based on what I've seen here, since I've never warred with RA or the Coalition guys. What I have seen on these forums, though, is things such as Coalition claiming RA log on trapped their (ERA) dread fleet, only to learn later with video proof they cynoed in. Huge amounts of propaganda saying RA's numbers on the battle in C-J were wrong, only to find after looking at all involved killboards that they were correct. Unprovable accusations by (not just) Coalition members about RA copying BMs, or RA having a huge advantage due to lag (if you can't warp, chances are they can't fire), or RA ebaying things (which smacks of outright racism/ethnicism). RA certainly have their smackish moments, but nothing compared to what Coalition and their friends have been saying about RA. I'm glad this is coming to an end, at least for the time being, so I don't have an outlet to fulfill my perverted desire to watch people hate each other over a ******* game.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:01:00 - [62] lol at LD crying that the uber blob didn't work. In rust we trust!!!
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:20:00 - [63] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 07/08/2006 06:20:23 Only one ytmnd can summarize my thoughts on this whole situation: Internet Explorer only OMG, WCS Nerf!
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:24:00 - [64] @ RA's ability to fend off tons of ****ty alliances. I honestly didn't think you could do it (doubt I was alone). That red patch on the south west of the map is a black eye to evey pilot in the coalition. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:34:00 - [65] Originally by: Puncher This is bordering on hilarious, the coalition of 10000+ sent off with it's collective tail between it's legs... Grats RA! Read again, smacktard. /Mav <3
Mj Pronin Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Altai Saker I look forward to the day when Red Alliance no longer exist on tranquility. Good luck -LV- If this ever gonna to happen,this will be the day when you be asking your grand grand children to give you back remote control of TV set to watch your favourite soap opera laying motionless in your bed
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:35:00 - [67] Not getting involved in the whole RA vs. Coalition thing. But it sucks immensely to loose cap ships while being totally unable to control them. They are an effort to put together and loosing them as that is a gamebreaker. :(
Skrypt Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:42:00 - [68] If 10k players are so fed up with RA that they are willing to amass a huge blob, essentially for grins, to evict RA of their last remaining station, than that's fair. RA should never have made so many enemies. This is the design of the game. This is the very reason I play EVE and not some other mmo. The epic nature of this game allures me. And... RA will fall COMPLETELY (because it certainly can't be said that they are standing strong) - even if I do it all by my lonesome. ___________
Raxxar Friends Corp	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:43:00 - [69] Guys just check the name of the game you're playing: RED MOON ... It explains everything:) Devs should rename it to make RA vulnerable
Mj Pronin Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:47:00 - [70] Side note. Since when the deploying of POSes to get the upper hand in system considered lame tactics? I'd way it is wise tactics to save fleet and use towers instead. Yes it is boring but it is legal and not leading to ship losses. So it is wise to do this. Anyone who cannot understand this is poor tactitian .

Bobr Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:58:00 - [71] The station Rorke's Drift has been captured by Russian SOBR corporation! Sorry, guys... P7- captured...
Sirius Lonestar Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:05:00 - [72] Well, congrats RA on defending your system. That's has got to be really disappoint for both sides, but especially Coalition for not being able to get a fair fight in because of the lag. If it weren't for both D2 and Goonswarm reporting the same thing last week, I might think it was a copout. This apparently is not. CCP better do something about this because the whole point of the game is to build up for epic fleet battles. I am sure that there is nothing worse that to have to thrill of battle crushed by lag. I haven't experienced it to that scale myself, but I can image I would be really upset if it happened to me. It kind of make me think what's the point to build yourself up just to end up being crushed by lag every time you want to participate in an epic battle. It is hard to lose but I can accept it if I was outplayed. It is alot harder to accept if you lose because of lag. Actually, imo it sucks to win because of lag as well because it wasn't a good win. CCP really needs to address this if they want to keep growing as people can only take so much of a broken game.
Gralgathor Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:27:00 - [73] Good fight RA, you hung in there and defended your territory with tooth and nail. Lag was really bad, even on my new PC with the game set to minimal graphics. Though in all fairness, my last loss to RA in C-J last night was not due to lag but due to 15 RA tech2-equipped battleships and a few carriers calling my Scorpion primary after we warped in on the station. Boy, did we get an asswhooping there. Enjoy your system while you have it, RA. We'll be back, with a vengeance.
Rose Kolodny Gallente Space Invaders	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:43:00 - [74] Dunno what to think about this, as far as I am informed RA consists also of some former RUS players and attacking them was never smart. Never been a fan of gank fleets, the lag was always terrible. Knowing that, I would avoid any engagements of this type, but is there an other way to fight? -- Recruiting Video
Dinique Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:53:00 - [75] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Archonon After the log off, after the pos spamming, after the ebil ebayer, after the loging trap , after the complex runner, after the alt's char veldspar miners in jita, after the alt's char in RAT. killers of carebears, now we've got the ebil laggers. Humm perhaps if u weren't 10 alliances(sry it's certainly more but i stopped here) against RA u would have less lag in the system. Please stop crying on forums about ur unabilities to fight RA, and make useless post. Make ur petition as everyone and simply At what point did using 300 people become an invalid tactic? We all know that the EVE servers can support it when setup to; Jita, Rens and EC-P8R (which wasn't that bad) as examples. I guess it also makes a huge difference what the people in system are doing. All 500 in Jita aren't fighting at the same time in the same grid. And when it was XZH lag over the forums many of you were quite happy to just go 'lol d2'. Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight
Dinique Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:54:00 - [76] Originally by: ArcheryTXS Originally by: The Enslaver At what point did using 300 people become an invalid tactic? We all know that the EVE servers can support it when setup to; Jita, Rens and EC-P8R (which wasn't that bad) as examples. next time send mail to GM so they can put more resource to the system u r trying to engage . its been stated by Oveur that this is not possible to do currently. Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight
Haruko Red Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:55:00 - [77] Quote: Fact is... - The Game Mechanics isnt able to support a havy management for more alliances and a force with 40+ CS¦s + support. Fact is... - Everyone have same lags in large scale battles, nonetheless, POSes goes down every day. Take a look at Goons vs D2 or BoB - they were huge in numbers, the lag was immense, but, in the end the war was won by one of the sides. You can take a look at any other example of successful war if you wish. May be there is something wrong with you? Quote: We believe our assault was well planned and had all the correct logistics in place... Bla-bla-bla translation: "We bring a huge fleet and died out in a lags we created". So, you think, what large numbers is enough to win the battle? I'm relative new in a game, but after three months in SE (and now in .-A-.) I have learned, what it's not the number of ships to decide an outcome of the fight. It might be a discovery for Coalition, but ASCN should have learned this a long time ago. I wonder, why do they repeat same mistakes again? Oh and, dont want to smacktalk or something, but blaming others in your failure is a first sign of the looser.
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:57:00 - [78] Originally by: Bobr The station Rorke's Drift has been captured by Russian SOBR corporation! Sorry, guys... P7- captured... GJ RUSSO!! ---- CEO.
ArcheryTXS Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:01:00 - [79] Edited by: ArcheryTXS on 07/08/2006 08:01:24 Originally by: c0rn1 Originally by: ArcheryTXS Originally by: The Enslaver At what point did using 300 people become an invalid tactic? We all know that the EVE servers can support it when setup to; Jita, Rens and EC-P8R (which wasn't that bad) as examples. next time send mail to GM so they can put more resource to the system u r trying to engage . I did that, ArcheryTXS 24h before the assault and far before downtime. Response: "Hi. Unfortunately, we do not have the means to manually assign server nodes to specific systems. Our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you. Best regards, GM Arkanon Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support" But damn , Jita is lag free like i know (never been there , he-he :) ) so why it`s impossible to do same to other system , even when u know it`s gonna be 400+ in local ??? Why ??? :) / City Sadness...
Dinique Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:03:00 - [80] Originally by: Light Darkness Thats wasnt a honor fight on both sides. Fact is... - CCP isnt able to support 350 of thier paying members (extra server)for only a few days. Why not? One or two extra servers (and I am assuming they have waaaay more than just 10 sitting there) isn't much at all, and can be assigned around as needed for 0.0 alliance warfare -- its not like huge battles like these happen daily everywhere. That's what, supporting 30000-40000 of their subs for a relatively small price? I feel its something they will HAVE to do. Wea re paying for this game, you know, and we can't play it can we? Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight

voxie	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:22:00 - [81] Originally by: Sirius Lonestar Edited by: Sirius Lonestar on 07/08/2006 07:09:14 Edited for spelling Well, congrats RA on defending your system. That's has got to be really disappointment for both sides, but especially Coalition for not being able to get a fair fight in because of the lag. If it weren't for both D2 and Goonswarm reporting the same thing last week, I might think it was a cop out. This apparently is not. CCP better do something about this because the whole point of the game is to build up for epic fleet battles. I am sure that there is nothing worse that to have to thrill of battle crushed by lag. I haven't experienced it to that scale myself, but I can image I would be really upset if it happened to me. It kind of make me think what's the point to build yourself up just to end up being crushed by lag every time you want to participate in an epic battle. It is hard to lose but I can accept it if I was outplayed. It is alot harder to accept if you lose because of lag. Actually, imo it sucks to win because of lag as well because it robs you of a good win. CCP really needs to address this if they want to keep growing as people can only take so much of a broken game. So... on the one hand you say it's not a cop out, but at the same time you're saying it was to be expected to be unplayable and yet they try it? Come on, it's a known (big) issue, but please let's not make the 'omgwtfbbq we want to have epic fleetbattles and we deserve to do so' a top priority as the majority of players in eve has other things they'd like fixed too.
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:53:00 - [82] Originally by: Heinky I know how to fix your problem. Fight them 1 alliance at a time , maybe the lag will reduce, tho your ship looses will just be worse. Mate a fleet battle to you guys consists of 2 stabbed ravens ganking an NPC fitted BS stuck in a dictor bubble so stick to what you know. With many thanks.
Lucre STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:58:00 - [83] Originally by: StoreSlem "If you were experiencing a lag, it was not server related." Our lag shows no evidence of logs...
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Haruko Red Take a look at Goons vs D2 or BoB - they were huge in numbers, the lag was immense, but, in the end the war was won by one of the sides. Good point.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:09:00 - [85] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Haruko Red Take a look at Goons vs D2 or BoB - they were huge in numbers, the lag was immense, but, in the end the war was won by one of the sides. Good point. Well, would you really compare RED to Goons in terms of tactics, combat prowess and experience (particularly with POS setups and fights)? Quite frankly, if I were RED I'd be insulted.
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:12:00 - [86] Edited by: Kaleeb on 07/08/2006 09:12:53 Well it looks like RA outlasted their opponents again, reminds me of this the 5 Goodluck both sides I hope you get some lagless fights in the future In Rust We Trust Team Minmatar Free Sarmaul
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:13:00 - [87] Originally by: munchy omg u guys are brilliant, ur AWSOME way of hiding a blatant loss has fooled us all, you're not backing down to RA at all, its all CCP's fault.....yeah /signed You found a really good excuse - gratz and farewell :D - BH
Azuriel Talloth M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:22:00 - [88] There's always going to be a certain minimum number of people needed, if you want to take out a death star POS while defending from an enemy. If the server cannot handle that number, what option is left? CCP Please rename "Warp Disrupt Probes" to "Interdiction Spheres", thanks!
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:30:00 - [89] this indeed reminds me of the the5 vs ra, in both occasions it was simply not possible to overcome the poses, cause of the lack of the gamemechanics. pretty lame if u ask me, tho this time its not ra`s fault - so im not blaming them! its ccp`s fault, and its a reason why the political maps arent changing in eve, its simply not worth attacking deathstars with hundred of ppl as the attacker usually dies horribly. delete all bms, and give us a warp to 0km option i say ccp ;). btw, did u manage to drive ra out of the 10/10 alrdy? just curious.. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:45:00 - [90] Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, would you really compare RED to Goons in terms of tactics, combat prowess and experience (particularly with POS setups and fights)? Quite frankly, if I were RED I'd be insulted. I will not be part of your political agenda. Big fights happen, lag happens and if others can win even then, they are doing something right. Its merely an observation. We ain't got balls, but plenty of nuts.

Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:45:00 - [91] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists btw, did u manage to drive ra out of the 10/10 alrdy? just curious.. Building an outpost 100,000km from the entrance of the complex put at stop to that. Max
MissBehaving Caldari Angels Of Mercy	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:46:00 - [92] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer o/ Exciting times lie ahead. Exciting? You guys have been fighting the same war for 9 months? How is that exciting lol *[DjDangle's Alt]*
Neku	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:22:00 - [93] Have fun! Keep it up guys.
Jolithan MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:23:00 - [94] when I was defending C-J with RA (and CWRA) last time i remeber the same tactics being used against us. There was a massive POS deployment. As mentioned before this is not very exciting neither is is how i'd like to play the game. But I cannot blame any CORP or Allinance for that. You all know the game mechanics and you know the problems with it. This must be taken into account with every tactical plan because it's just the rules of the game we all enjoying (most of the time). It sucks nevertheless. RA's got some of the most skilled fleet commanders i've seen so far. They're giving the coalition a hard time as good as they can. Probs for that. I'm pretty sure most of RA fighters would prefer to play the game without lag if they could. Lets hope it stays fun for both sides after all.
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:24:00 - [95] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, would you really compare RED to Goons in terms of tactics, combat prowess and experience (particularly with POS setups and fights)? Quite frankly, if I were RED I'd be insulted. I will not be part of your political agenda. Big fights happen, lag happens and if others can win even then, they are doing something right. Its merely an observation. POS guns are not effected by lag. If you have loaded the grid already (a big part of the lag coming from cans/ships etc at the POS as well as the POS itself) then although you need to load the hostiles coming in you have nothing like the lag of those warping in. Note we are not talking about two fleets meeting in space, we are talking about an engagement at a POS.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:30:00 - [96] Originally by: Kaleeb Edited by: Kaleeb on 07/08/2006 09:12:53 Well it looks like RA outlasted their opponents again, reminds me of this the 5 Goodluck both sides I hope you get some lagless fights in the future Uh, no... We aren't going anywhere... All this is, is a statement that whilst RA continue to use borderline exploits and CCP refuse to change game mechanics to be more realistic (rather than hugely in favour of any defender), and fix the lag - we aren't going to bother trying to take that one system. I wouldn't say RA 'outlasted' anyone... --------
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:31:00 - [97] Originally by: Papa Digger Originally by: Bobr The station Rorke's Drift has been captured by Russian SOBR corporation! Sorry, guys... P7- captured... GJ RUSSO!! You'll also find that you only got it because some of the coalition towers haven't hit the 5 day period required for sov to take effect; and your POS spam took effect a day earlier. Best of luck maintaining it - you'll need it. --------
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:37:00 - [98] Originally by: Jolithan when I was defending C-J with RA (and CWRA) last time i remeber the same tactics being used against us. There was a massive POS deployment. As mentioned before this is not very exciting neither is is how i'd like to play the game. Err, no... I don't remember you guys ever attacking the C-J6 towers we had down. In fact, the last time RA actively went against our POS's, they lost 11 dreads in under 10 minutes. --------
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:40:00 - [99] Edited by: Pastora on 07/08/2006 10:44:10 Originally by: Plutoinum they just wait for a cheap chance / for a mistake to anchor at free moons or shoot offline towers or really weak pos during their prime time. So, do you mean you are cheap, because you have been doing exactly the same thing at the start of the recent war? If you want to have your stations well defended, keep 51% of moons covered with online towers with correct modules. If you don't do this, then it is your own fault. Otherwise, you might and will loose, because then you don't really deserve to have this station. Now, don't get me wrong here. We have done the same mistake in the past, that's the reason why we lost our regions, because we didn't care nor wanted back then to protect our every station at any costs. Originally by: Light Darkness Fact is... - lets do it like RA and we own EvE with only 30 active people and a few large POSes. Try to do it yourself and succeed, then you can state that this is a fact. Originally by: John McCreedy However the reality was that we sent all none essential people out of the system so numbers where around what you'd expect in a normal Alliance vs. Alliance Fleet Battle. Yes, the numbers were just right: 200+ against ours 50+. Yes, that's about right for "normal Alliance vs. Alliance Fleet Battle" in our case. If you want to pick up epic battles and fair fights, you have chosen the wrong side, ASCN. It is especially funny, when some of your pilots start to make posts about sportsmanship and such in this situation. But to be honest, I'm glad to know, that all is not lost, and even among you you have such great people as CEO Pyrex, and many others. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Awox Awox Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:31:00 - [100] Funny that I never experienced this problem when I was involved in the original taking of C-J6MT and the first few days when coalition forces tried to take a few C-J6MT POS out! Yes, I warped my POS infront of a -LV- dreadnaught because they were screaming like ***es on TeamSpeak. I had no troubles activating my repairer + turning around and leaving with 30% hull integrity. I am pretty sure this "Unable to activate modules" crap is just something carebears make up when they lose a fight. Take more ships next time, I left the alliance because of this whole POS siege warfare crap, not because I couldn't activate modules. Man up and stop using this crap as an excuse. Please someone show me fraps or something of this occuring so I don't forever think you capital carebears are bull**ters. - nerf 0.5+

Black Torment Caldari White Wolves Defence league E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:31:00 - [101] Originally by: Bobr The station Rorke's Drift has been captured by Russian SOBR corporation! Sorry, guys... P7- captured... Funny, sovreignty says E.R.A now... You didn't think claiming sovreignty for a day would kill us now did you? You can start moving your stuff out again now
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:33:00 - [102] You folks shooting POS's all day make me chuckle.. isnt it like the most boring thing to do ever?. d solo.
Black Torment Caldari White Wolves Defence league E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:35:00 - [103] Originally by: Awox Funny that I never experienced this problem when I was involved in the original taking of C-J6MT and the first few days when coalition forces tried to take a few C-J6MT POS out! Yes, I warped my POS infront of a -LV- dreadnaught because they were screaming like ***es on TeamSpeak. I had no troubles activating my repairer + turning around and leaving with 30% hull integrity. I am pretty sure this "Unable to activate modules" crap is just something carebears make up when they lose a fight. Take more ships next time, I left the alliance because of this whole POS siege warfare crap, not because I couldn't activate modules. Man up and stop using this crap as an excuse. Please someone show me fraps or something of this occuring so I don't forever think you capital carebears are bull**ters. Get a clue, stop trolling. This thread has 4 pages of people agreeing that lag is killing epic fleet battles, and it is far from the first. Everyone who has ever been in a battle of 300+ will be looking at you right now thinking "lol, nub" Oh and we do have fraps coming ;)
Bai ul	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:41:00 - [104] How about this ? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=374597 Would that make any sense ? (temporarily almost dis-abled LV member)
Drist Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:50:00 - [105] Originally by: Awox Funny that I never experienced this problem when I was involved in the original taking of C-J6MT and the first few days when coalition forces tried to take a few C-J6MT POS out! Yes, I warped my POS infront of a -LV- dreadnaught because they were screaming like ***es on TeamSpeak. I had no troubles activating my repairer + turning around and leaving with 30% hull integrity. I am pretty sure this "Unable to activate modules" crap is just something carebears make up when they lose a fight. Take more ships next time, I left the alliance because of this whole POS siege warfare crap, not because I couldn't activate modules. Man up and stop using this crap as an excuse. Please someone show me fraps or something of this occuring so I don't forever think you capital carebears are bull**ters. Hehehe Just keep doing your empire agent and stop posting on things u know nothing about All parties involved agree on this issue Fix the POS lag CCP
Awox Awox Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:50:00 - [106] Edited by: Awox on 07/08/2006 11:51:04 Originally by: Black Torment Originally by: Awox Funny that I never experienced this problem when I was involved in the original taking of C-J6MT and the first few days when coalition forces tried to take a few C-J6MT POS out! Yes, I warped my POS infront of a -LV- dreadnaught because they were screaming like ***es on TeamSpeak. I had no troubles activating my repairer + turning around and leaving with 30% hull integrity. I am pretty sure this "Unable to activate modules" crap is just something carebears make up when they lose a fight. Take more ships next time, I left the alliance because of this whole POS siege warfare crap, not because I couldn't activate modules. Man up and stop using this crap as an excuse. Please someone show me fraps or something of this occuring so I don't forever think you capital carebears are bull**ters. Get a clue, stop trolling. This thread has 4 pages of people agreeing that lag is killing epic fleet battles, and it is far from the first. Everyone who has ever been in a battle of 300+ will be looking at you right now thinking "lol, nub" Oh and we do have fraps coming ;) Uhm, I am not trolling. Quite simply asking for proof because I really am believing it's just bullcrap, and uh yeah I have been in some battles like that actually, if you had bothered to completely read my post you would have known this. I agree lag hurt in fleet battles (never got lag-killed though) but I am sure most people are the adpoting Counter-Strike 1337ness syndrome where the first thing to say after dieing is "lag", or "hax". Screenies/Captures please. :P - nerf 0.5+
Shayleigh Snowflower DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:59:00 - [107] To all you chest-beaters out there, have fun. To all of the people out there going on about how one of the teams in this battle beat the other up. Please. Go read a book The situation is now, just the same as it was a week ago. Neither RA nor ASCN or LV have taken any significant loss. Sure, I lost a carrier. So what? My first rupture loss set me back more than that carrier. It was damn annoying, sure, but I would have been just as annoyed loosing a raven. There where 2 forces here, colliding at the moons throwing hundreds of billions of isk worth of equipment at eachother. Red Alliance where well dug in. They had Safespots, sniper points and POSs. They where logisticaly outnumbered real bad, and where, the famous lion in the corner. We in the coalition, had a few major run-ins with them, and Red Alliance made some real ballbusting raids on us. But, they suffered the same LAG and faulty game mechanics as we did. The POS that we where fighting at the first night conjured a huge number of small egg-like objects, spawning lots of small boxes of lag (CargoCans) On a lag-free server, or atleast close to lag free, we would have had some INCREADIBLEY fun battles, I am sure of it. I am sure I would not have been able to sleep due to the adrenaline rush of a deadly cat and mouse game where some high skilled people put they’re capital fleet on top of our fleet in a desperate battle for the piece of space they control and for the glory of they’re spacestation. There where no winners. There where no loosers. There where just status quo and lag for most of the time. Lag was and is, however, a two way thing. RA was just as lagged as us for most of the time. However, when you warp to an area, where you will get shot at by a POS that do NOT suffer from lag, and you can’t defend yourself, because your modules are not working, then you have a huge dissadvatage. One, that CCP should see about fixing. Anyway, I have to say, from an objective view, on what is the best thing for the game, that it is kinda cool to, that an enemy outnumberd, but with the heart and soul set to defend what is they’res (what they have stolen fair and squarelol ), can stand up against overwelming odds. It makes the game richer. I mean, who out there make a better enemy for me than RA? RUS, RUSH.. and all the other people that threw me out of eastern Curse in nov/des 2003 make so excellent people to ‘hate’, but they make the game richer to. ... but ofcuz, they all have to die
CEO Rockhound Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:05:00 - [108] Originally by: Awox Edited by: Awox on 07/08/2006 11:51:04 Originally by: Black Torment Originally by: Awox Funny that I never experienced this problem when I was involved in the original taking of C-J6MT and the first few days when coalition forces tried to take a few C-J6MT POS out! Yes, I warped my POS infront of a -LV- dreadnaught because they were screaming like ***es on TeamSpeak. I had no troubles activating my repairer + turning around and leaving with 30% hull integrity. I am pretty sure this "Unable to activate modules" crap is just something carebears make up when they lose a fight. Take more ships next time, I left the alliance because of this whole POS siege warfare crap, not because I couldn't activate modules. Man up and stop using this crap as an excuse. Please someone show me fraps or something of this occuring so I don't forever think you capital carebears are bull**ters. Get a clue, stop trolling. This thread has 4 pages of people agreeing that lag is killing epic fleet battles, and it is far from the first. Everyone who has ever been in a battle of 300+ will be looking at you right now thinking "lol, nub" Oh and we do have fraps coming ;) Uhm, I am not trolling. Quite simply asking for proof because I really am believing it's just bullcrap, and uh yeah I have been in some battles like that actually, if you had bothered to completely read my post you would have known this. I agree lag hurt in fleet battles (never got lag-killed though) but I am sure most people are the adpoting Counter-Strike 1337ness syndrome where the first thing to say after dieing is "lag", or "hax". Screenies/Captures please. :P maybee you have less lag because you warped in alone? Maybee your alliance / corp don't have 300 corp / alliance tags to cycle on 100 cans, 20 pods and 200 friendly / hostile ships? Or maybee you where just running 1 fresh installed client in fullscreen mode on a 12 ghz quadrupple-core CPU with 1 terrabyte ram connected to the internett with a 1GB fibre connection, I don't know.. but, the battles at the POS where laggy when I was still alive. Norsk Gruvedrift. We will rock you.
Azuriel Talloth M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:13:00 - [109] Edited by: Azuriel Talloth on 07/08/2006 12:12:58 There is a discussion about POS warfare here involving people from all over Eve. With lag being one of the top issues brought up. CCP Please rename "Warp Disrupt Probes" to "Interdiction Spheres", thanks!
Vrugor Caldari The Republican Guard Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:19:00 - [110] Edited by: Vrugor on 07/08/2006 12:20:25 I was in the last engagement at the station in CJ and all I can say is the lag really makes the game unplayable. I warp into the station for the engagement then sit there for 1 minute with no other ships showing on my screen. Next thing I see is allot of RA ships and whats left of our forces. Luckily the gang leader warped us out because I was unable to get any of my controls to respond. CCP needs to address this plain and simple.

Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:27:00 - [111] Originally by: Azuriel Talloth Edited by: Azuriel Talloth on 07/08/2006 12:12:58 There is a discussion about POS warfare here involving people from all over Eve. With lag being one of the top issues brought up. One more whining topic? Yeah.. lags are sux, but POS mechanics is good. It's prevent for someone win just outblobing enemy. If current POS will be nerfed, CCP must develop new "weapon" against blob (like NPC guards) which can defend your system when you sleep RL. ---- CEO.
Skrypt Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:33:00 - [112] Edited by: Skrypt on 07/08/2006 12:33:59 Originally by: Papa Digger Originally by: Azuriel Talloth Edited If current POS will be nerfed, CCP must develop new "weapon" against blob (like NPC guards) which can defend your system when you sleep RL. Did he really just suggest this? NPC for while we sleep? So can I get some NPCs to run the plex for me? They're more than welcome to drop all the loot and tiers in my hangar each morning. I'm diggin' this idea! ___________
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:46:00 - [113] dont waste your time on petitions.. there is NO LAG in EVE.
Drist Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:49:00 - [114] Originally by: Skrypt Edited by: Skrypt on 07/08/2006 12:33:59 Originally by: Papa Digger Originally by: Azuriel Talloth Edited If current POS will be nerfed, CCP must develop new "weapon" against blob (like NPC guards) which can defend your system when you sleep RL. Did he really just suggest this? NPC for while we sleep? So can I get some NPCs to run the plex for me? They're more than welcome to drop all the loot and tiers in my hangar each morning. I'm diggin' this idea! hehehe What will they think of next in RA :-)
Azuriel Talloth M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:53:00 - [115] Guys fix your quotes! You're making it look like I said it CCP Please rename "Warp Disrupt Probes" to "Interdiction Spheres", thanks!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:57:00 - [116] Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/08/2006 13:04:43 Originally by: Pastora So, do you mean you are cheap, because you have been doing exactly the same thing at the start of the recent war? I should better have written 'easy'. I didn't mean 'cheap' as 'lame', but if you compare the cost and effort to claim sovereignty, then the 'anchor anchor method' is the cheap one. Originally by: Pastora If you want to have your stations well defended, keep 51% of moons covered with online towers with correct modules. If you don't do this, then it is your own fault. Yes, right, it comes down to this. If you don't do that, you go a high risk of losing your stations. But if someone covers enough moons with battle pos and is willing to fight, his system is super safe. You can't cut off the fuel supply and once it comes to serious fights at these poses, the ships will rather go down in a lag-hell than anything else. ( And if someone managed to shoot a POS into reinforcement, there is still the strontium joker. ) The difference between us is, you enjoy it this way and I think it's a big mess. Sure, we could play the same way like you theoretically, at least if we discovered the secret how to get the numbers in the western european morning until downtime, but well, if everyone played this way it would lead to a boring stalemate situation and if EVE 0.0 was reduced to a pos logistics game, I would stop playing, because it's not what I enjoy.
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:18:00 - [117] Originally by: Plutoinum Sure, we could play the same way like you theoretically, at least if we discovered the secret how to get the numbers in the morning until downtime(for the eastern countries probably noon), but well, if everyone played this way it would lead to a boring stalemate situation and if EVE 0.0 was reduced to a pos logistics game, I would stop playing, because it's not what I enjoy. We play in this way only because our enemy outnumber us. We need to discover new tactics (u always call it "lame") to counter your numbers, and this tactics work. Don't think if you have more pilots than you MUST win any battles. For any opponent tactics (ships, fits etc) you can find counter tactic. I love EVE for it. "I can't win, so this game is sux" - very strange logic. Or u think thats game must be easy walk for you? It's maybe only when you fight against NPC, but fight against PC is incredible harder. Humans haven't AI.. they have a ubercheat (someone call it "brains"). ---- CEO.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:33:00 - [118] Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/08/2006 13:39:12 Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/08/2006 13:36:51 Originally by: Papa Digger "I can't win, so this game is sux" - very strange logic. Or u think thats game must be easy walk for you? It's maybe only when you fight against NPC, but fight against PC is incredible harder. Humans haven't AI.. they have a ubercheat (someone call it "brains"). I was talking about the pos wars. If you think you need an uber brain for that, well ... get real. Same if you think that it's right that any serious attempt to kill large battle poses are supposed to end in a lag-hell, if it comes to a fight at these poses. What you propose is that we either send our dreads in unprotected to your battle poses with your attacking carriers and snipers for easy gankage or that we have to live with losing in a lag hell. That's the current status quo. Option 3, that we can decide it in a real battle at the pos without losing most ships to the overstressed node, doesn't exist. So the game mechanics is wrong. Well, you don't see it this way, but at least I've made my point clear now. edit: btw. I also think that the pos fueling with jumpdrive capable ships is wrong, because you can't cut off the fuel supply. But I'm out of this, because although I like forum whoring: This isn't my thread.
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:39:00 - [119] Originally by: Plutoinum Option 3, that we can decide it in a real battle at the pos without losing most ships to the overstressed node, doesn't exist. So the game mechanics is wrong. Well, you don't see it this way, but at least I've made my point clear now. How the game mechanics are wrong? The fact is that the servers can't handle such large scale warfare. This is not the flaw of the game mechanics. This is the flaw of modern hardware and the balance of performance and its costs. Can you suggest any other solution to current problem? The solution which will satisfy both attacker and defender. If you will, I think you might get a job at CCP... _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:53:00 - [120] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Jolithan when I was defending C-J with RA (and CWRA) last time i remeber the same tactics being used against us. There was a massive POS deployment. As mentioned before this is not very exciting neither is is how i'd like to play the game. Err, no... I don't remember you guys ever attacking the C-J6 towers we had down. In fact, the last time RA actively went against our POS's, they lost 11 dreads in under 10 minutes. 1.again and again....9 m8 9....at that time RA lost 9 not 11... 2."last time RA actively went against your POS's - during last 2 weeks... 2 errors in one replay )) check your info before post anything

Tieger Gallente FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:27:00 - [121] Originally by: Pastora How the game mechanics are wrong? The fact is that the servers can't handle such large scale warfare. This is not the flaw of the game mechanics. This is the flaw of modern hardware and the balance of performance and its costs. Can you suggest any other solution to current problem? The solution which will satisfy both attacker and defender. If you will, I think you might get a job at CCP...[/quote The game mechanics are wrong because they force the attacking side to gather up such a big fleet in order to take down those POS while the hardware cant handle it. The coalition has the resources, pilots, time and willingness to take down C-J but it can`t be done whit current game mechanics. Simple as that.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:36:00 - [122] We can discuss what and how much we want. IF CCP dont have a eye on the "HOT SPOTS" we never find a "nice and clear" fight. We will have lags here and there and "no fun". I remember the "old times" SA vs CA. Everyday big fleet fights 100+ against 100+ in U-QVWD or HLW.... dream So stop dreaming and start to engage a roid -> no lag ! BTW 1 question: Why we have Dreads and CS in the game mechanic? WIf you use a 40+ CS fleet against a 30 BS sniping Gang. The CS will lost the fight. Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
Pepperami Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:03:00 - [123] I think that this will work out a good move for the coalition - work on kicking RA out the complexes completely, search and kill them, and all the time let them spend is and time to fuel the 20-odd large pos in a system that has no real money making ability. Will be interesting to see how the RA funds carry on when their income is cut. GL guys.
jeriwo Amarr Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:05:00 - [124] Originally by: Skrypt And... RA will fall COMPLETELY (because it certainly can't be said that they are standing strong) - even if I do it all by my lonesome. You and all your 3000+ friends do not understand only one thing - RA NEVER surrender. That fact.Remember that and say about it to all your friends...And be prepared when we come for you - it will be sooner than you imagine in your nightmires
ElCoCo Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:23:00 - [125] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii hey RA next time your defending ill need the following sets while your doing them querious delve and venal. just put them in a can marked for me Lol...haha...ugh.... tummy hurts from laughing
Dillon Arklight Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:30:00 - [126] Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 07/08/2006 15:32:43 Wow Jeriwo, Im really really scared. The 4 killpoints you have on the RA killboard (1 ity 4 and 1 pod) make me especially fearful of you.
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:42:00 - [127] The blobbers have been killed by their own byproduct: LAG.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:05:00 - [128] Originally by: jeriwo Originally by: Skrypt And... RA will fall COMPLETELY (because it certainly can't be said that they are standing strong) - even if I do it all by my lonesome. You and all your 3000+ friends do not understand only one thing - RA NEVER surrender. That fact.Remember that and say about it to all your friends...And be prepared when we come for you - it will be sooner than you imagine in your nightmires We aren't scared of you in the slightest, we are merely annoyed that your borderline exploits in combination with flawed game mechanics have given you enough of an edge to hold onto a system that you blatantly shouldn't have been able to. --------
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:22:00 - [129] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: jeriwo Originally by: Skrypt And... RA will fall COMPLETELY (because it certainly can't be said that they are standing strong) - even if I do it all by my lonesome. You and all your 3000+ friends do not understand only one thing - RA NEVER surrender. That fact.Remember that and say about it to all your friends...And be prepared when we come for you - it will be sooner than you imagine in your nightmires We aren't scared of you in the slightest, we are merely annoyed that while we are using borderline exploits in combination with flawed game mechanics, you still have a hold onto a system that you blatantly shouldn't have been able to. Fixed if for you _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Zigadenus M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:42:00 - [130] Originally by: darth solo You folks shooting POS's all day make me chuckle.. isnt it like the most boring thing to do ever?. d solo. No way, dude. POS assault represents one of the most challenging tactical operations Eve has to offer - esp against an alliance that is desperate to defend (like RA). There is enough firepower in the game now to reinforce a L tower fairly quick (compared to a year ago), and when a defending force is thrown into the mix, things get very interesting. The buzzkill is the massive lag, obviously. Both sides suffer from it, but in this campaign it disproportionately impacts the attacker (coalition), who always has WAY more isk on the line in capital ships exposed during the assault. Despite a valiant and impressive defense, the lag is the only thing that saved RA's bacon, and everyone involved knows this. Therefore the coalition is finished throwing away time and money at things that are consistently ruined by lag. GG CCP Would be nice if the game could support its content, but we're right back to where we were a year ago in H-PA. Originally by: Mj Pronin Side note. Since when the deploying of POSes to get the upper hand in system considered lame tactics? I'd way it is wise tactics to save fleet and use towers instead. Yes it is boring but it is legal and not leading to ship losses. So it is wise to do this. Anyone who cannot understand this is poor tactitian . You're absolutely right. Throwing down POS in the night when no one is around is perfectly legal and an effective tactic. But it turns lame when combined with the fact that RA will rarely do any sort of fighting alongside this even when the numbers are the same, and even then they will typically only fight if they have a massively superior tactical advantage. This makes the game totally boring, which is why hundreds of players are smacking RA on the forums and throwing away days upon days of their gametime doing stuff that isn't fun at all just to push RA to emmpire. This is the bed RA made with boring tactics, which is too bad since I know RA is capable of wtfpwnage in an even fight. I guess it just depends on who is fleet commander that day. If RA were a fun enemy to fight, the coalition would probably be very happy to keep them around. But unfortunately for everyone involved.... Put it this way - I would rather lose every battle to a fun opponent than win every lousy engagement against RA. It just ruins the game. Yes, sometimes coalition also can have the same problem, and yes, I'm whining lol. Originally by: MACTEP 2."last time RA actively went against your POS's - during last 2 weeks... 2 errors in one replay )) check your info before post anything Let's elaborate. The last two weeks involved RA assaulting mainly (if not only) unarmed and offline towers while hardly anyone is around. But to be fair, I suppose that's expected given the numbers RA is up against. <3 Mactep. Good job to RA for hanging in there. The lag won the battle in C-J, but there would be no battle if RA had just given up - which is exactly what almost every other alliance in the game would have done by now. Reds, don't be proud for beating the coalition - because you have not and almost certainly will not. Be proud because you don't give up, no matter what. Big props to RA for fortitude in the face of adversity. Sorry, brevity is not one of my strong points. ________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage.

Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:46:00 - [131] Originally by: Stamm It's a TRAAAP! Nice banner. Congratulations to RA, looks like the heat is off. Please do something with POSs and lag CCP, seems the coalition faced exactly the same problems that D2 and Goonswarm faced. Having been engaged in my first POS war or the past week, I can say that it's about the most boring thing I've done (apart from mine ice) since I started playing this game. The sovereignity mechanics are what they are and I don't really blame people for playing the game as it has been presented, but I am seriously hoping there's a better way somewhere on the horizon. Rolling in an spamming towers is just a tad too easy and it's takes far longer to get rid of them than it does to put them down, even if there is little or no defence. All it takes is ISK (of which there is plenty in EVE) and a little bit of logistics. It's all just a little too set-piece (and mind-numbingly boring). Sitting in gangs for hour on end, days on end to take out POS after POS. Bleh. Sometimes I think people can put way too much strontium in them, too...lol. Spamming POS and stuffing them full of strontium and fuel is just too easy. As we've seen, people can do it on a huge scale without really having to defend them. After a while, the time-investment trying to take them out becomes prohibitive.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:35:00 - [132] i liked the pos thingies, cause they forced the enemie to fight, or loose. but as it is now, pos war sucks. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
dalman Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:40:00 - [133] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i liked the pos thingies, cause they forced the enemie to fight, or loose. but as it is now, pos war sucks. Yay! I win! errr, perhaps there's still some 1000 bobbits to convince. /me continues to bugger Oveur about if it's really a good idea to extend the structure/sov thingies when it's so obvious that neither the server, the client nor the game mechanics can support the gameplay that today's features require. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:41:00 - [134] Edited by: LUKEC on 07/08/2006 18:42:28 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i liked the pos thingies, cause they forced the enemie to fight, or loose. but as it is now, pos war sucks. Concept is okish... i'd rather have concord declaration of station/outpost takeover and then sending fleet in to take station for a nice sum (500mil to declare) and then what happens, happens. POS stuff sucks due to timezones(and this is a game, remember) and lag. --------------------- WTS talisman omega
superscarface 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:46:00 - [135] I don't suppose a diplomatic solution can be reached? You guys must be bored as hell fighting each other for so long...
Minevra Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:53:00 - [136] Originally by: Zigadenus Originally by: darth solo Let's elaborate. The last two weeks involved RA assaulting mainly (if not only) unarmed and offline towers while hardly anyone is around. But to be fair, I suppose that's expected given the numbers RA is up against. <3 Mactep. Sorry we didn't say: "Hey guys we're going to shoot your poses. Pls online and arm them. And come at XX pm so you can defend them"
lazyb22 M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:55:00 - [137] Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower To all you chest-beaters out there, have fun. To all of the people out there going on about how one of the teams in this battle beat the other up. Please. Go read a book The situation is now, just the same as it was a week ago. Neither RA nor ASCN or LV have taken any significant loss. Sure, I lost a carrier. So what? My first rupture loss set me back more than that carrier. It was damn annoying, sure, but I would have been just as annoyed loosing a raven. There where 2 forces here, colliding at the moons throwing hundreds of billions of isk worth of equipment at eachother. Red Alliance where well dug in. They had Safespots, sniper points and POSs. They where logisticaly outnumbered real bad, and where, the famous lion in the corner. We in the coalition, had a few major run-ins with them, and Red Alliance made some real ballbusting raids on us. But, they suffered the same LAG and faulty game mechanics as we did. The POS that we where fighting at the first night conjured a huge number of small egg-like objects, spawning lots of small boxes of lag (CargoCans) On a lag-free server, or atleast close to lag free, we would have had some INCREADIBLEY fun battles, I am sure of it. I am sure I would not have been able to sleep due to the adrenaline rush of a deadly cat and mouse game where some high skilled people put theyÆre capital fleet on top of our fleet in a desperate battle for the piece of space they control and for the glory of theyÆre spacestation. There where no winners. There where no loosers. There where just status quo and lag for most of the time. Lag was and is, however, a two way thing. RA was just as lagged as us for most of the time. However, when you warp to an area, where you will get shot at by a POS that do NOT suffer from lag, and you canÆt defend yourself, because your modules are not working, then you have a huge dissadvatage. One, that CCP should see about fixing. Anyway, I have to say, from an objective view, on what is the best thing for the game, that it is kinda cool to, that an enemy outnumberd, but with the heart and soul set to defend what is theyÆres (what they have stolen fair and squarelol ), can stand up against overwelming odds. It makes the game richer. I mean, who out there make a better enemy for me than RA? RUS, RUSH.. and all the other people that threw me out of eastern Curse in nov/des 2003 make so excellent people to æhateÆ, but they make the game richer to. ... but ofcuz, they all have to die QFT!!!
lazyb22 M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 19:02:00 - [138] Originally by: MACTEP Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Jolithan when I was defending C-J with RA (and CWRA) last time i remeber the same tactics being used against us. There was a massive POS deployment. As mentioned before this is not very exciting neither is is how i'd like to play the game. Err, no... I don't remember you guys ever attacking the C-J6 towers we had down. In fact, the last time RA actively went against our POS's, they lost 11 dreads in under 10 minutes. 1.again and again....9 m8 9....at that time RA lost 9 not 11... 2."last time RA actively went against your POS's - during last 2 weeks... 2 errors in one replay )) check your info before post anything I remember that Mactep I had a force big enough to take out your support and the dreads. But what happened an unexpected DT. Another day saved by CCP. All in all the war has been fun but its turned dirty. GL and have fun Lazyb22 Director MCorp
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.07 19:05:00 - [139] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: jeriwo Originally by: Skrypt And... RA will fall COMPLETELY (because it certainly can't be said that they are standing strong) - even if I do it all by my lonesome. You and all your 3000+ friends do not understand only one thing - RA NEVER surrender. That fact.Remember that and say about it to all your friends...And be prepared when we come for you - it will be sooner than you imagine in your nightmires We aren't scared of you in the slightest, we are merely annoyed that your borderline exploits in combination with flawed game mechanics have given you enough of an edge to hold onto a system that you blatantly shouldn't have been able to. Aww if the game is so flawed why don't you stop playing? In rust we trust!!!
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:49:00 - [140] Originally by: Altai Saker I look forward to the day when Red Alliance no longer exist on tranquility. Good luck -LV- And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"

Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 21:42:00 - [141] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 22:28:00 - [142] Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. LOL, please stop Beyond Horizon posting before asking others to grow up.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.08 01:34:00 - [143] Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. LOL, please stop Beyond Horizon posting before asking others to grow up. Shinra isn't exactly the pinnacle of mature posting either. In rust we trust!!!
Minthos 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.08 02:35:00 - [144] While I'm not particularily fond of either side in this flame war, I would just like to voice my support for the countless victims of lag in eve. I myself have suffered unspeakable lag, and it was truly horrible to behold. CCP should hurry up and do something about it. The current situation where the game gets unplayable whenever 100+ ships all try to lock and fire in the same system at the same time is devastating to qualities like fun, immersion, tactics and predictability. Lag is a growing threat and we must stand united against it, or we can all retire to jita and become agent *****s and macro miners, cause fleet battles will be a thing of the past..
Kriz Lupin	Posted - 2006.08.08 02:41:00 - [145] The war against RA has become boring. Don't get me wrong, RA are some of the best pilots out there and can take kill an equal or larger force with ease. They are VERY good pvpers. But, imho, it has become a stalemate. I left KOS for this reason. It has become repetative. The current game mechanics have made it impossible for the coalition to drive RA away and also made it impossible for RA to take important systems back. Stalemate. ATM, I cant see RA losing C-J, but at the same time, I cant see RA taking anymore systems, they have been pos'ed out. Current game mechanics and MASSIVE lag in large fleet/pos battles have made it....well...dull. Large fleet battles have a random outcome, imo. Some days the coalition do very well, other days RA do. I have been there and seen it MANY times. It just depends on who has the most lag atm. I have to say though, RA do VERY well when outnumbered. RA, never met anyone as good at pvp as you guys, whatever your tactics. Coalition, never met anyone as determined as you guys. All of you, fly safe and keep up the fight. Anyway, good fights all and good fun.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.08 02:53:00 - [146] Lots of discussion on the topic, speculation and spinning. They say, a picture tells a thousand words -- so here's the link to edited FRAPS footage: C-J6MT Battle FRAPS. Now, I wasn't on the Capital TS or gang. I don't know what went on and I haven't talked to the pilots in quesion. However, looking at it all -- here's what I do note: If you look at it carefully from an FCs perspective, you should note the position of the dreads, carriers and support fleet. As already stated on the forum threads, it's obvious everything's done by the book. Support BSes on the grid, aligned. Carriers behind the Dreads, aligned. You should note what happened when RA engaged and what people were shooting at or more importantly, why no one seemed to warp for minutes or start shooting for minutes. You should note how long it took for Carriers to warp in to support the first Dread taking fire. Why is that? Were they all asleep? Perhaps you might note when my cov ops pressed "stop" and when the message actually pops up to say ship is stopping. Maybe that had something to do with it... You should note that despide some claims by RA that the Naglfar was in Siege mode after all the other capitals + support had warped out and thus couldn't warp out -- magically minutes before the RA fleet is anywhere near firing positions -- message pops up saying that an RA pilot has started warp scrambling a Naglfar, just sitting alone out there with two other capitals. Those who've engaged dreads, know what it means. This could have been an epic battle to FRAPS and edit. But in the end I hope you agree with me after seeing the footage, it's something else... ...Something that needs a fix, before the new features.
Kriz Lupin	Posted - 2006.08.08 03:20:00 - [147] Shad, I agree. Large scale wars are, atm, pointless. EVE cannot deal with the lag in such engagements. Its random. Hence why I left alliance wide stuff. EVE can only deal with small scale warfare, and, tbh, that is where the fun is. Until the EVE client can deal with massive fleet ops without randomness and massive lag, I really dont see the point in trying it. It just really isnt fun. Anyway shad, you know where i am , if you are up for some fun.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 04:32:00 - [148] Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. I agree with you i need to grow up and do the following so u can accept me as a grown up: - Log off after 15 minutes timer has expeired from a cheap gank. - Wear 3 wcs in combat . - W*** complexes 24/7. - Stroke my E-peen on EVE-O after every battle i go in and splatter total nonsense of forums since i usualy win using suspicious tactics which eventualy be banned . Did i miss something mum ? "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.08 04:47:00 - [149] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. I agree with you i need to grow up and do the following so u can accept me as a grown up: - Log off after 15 minutes timer has expeired from a cheap gank. - Wear 3 wcs in combat . - W***** complexes 24/7. - Stroke my E-peen on EVE-O after every battle i go in and splatter total nonsense of forums since i usualy win using suspicious tactics which eventualy be banned . Did i miss something mum ? I thought you alrdy did that??
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 05:02:00 - [150] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. I agree with you i need to grow up and do the following so u can accept me as a grown up: - Log off after 15 minutes timer has expeired from a cheap gank. - Wear 3 wcs in combat . - W*** complexes 24/7. - Stroke my E-peen on EVE-O after every battle i go in and splatter total nonsense of forums since i usualy win using suspicious tactics which eventualy be banned . Did i miss something mum ? I thought you alrdy did that?? I was kinda wondering when u will show up to start the usual "Plesantries" If you find a kill mail that i was usign stabs in combat or any one to claim i even logged off in combat i will agree with what u say , untill then Ciao "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**

jeriwo Amarr Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 05:27:00 - [151] Edited by: jeriwo on 08/08/2006 05:28:56 Edited by: jeriwo on 08/08/2006 05:28:21 Originally by: Dillon Arklight Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 07/08/2006 15:36:11 Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 07/08/2006 15:32:43 Wow Jeriwo, Im really really scared. The 4 killpoints you have on the RA killboard (1 ity 4 and 1 pod) make me especially fearful of you. Edited for more smack. Only 4? Its errr only start Btw - about CJ6 fraps... Some time ago when we (RA) put fraps about LAGGBATTLE at Konora (remember?) some of your guys say that pilot who make fraps (and whole RA gang) have 1)Low end PC 2)use extrim grafic and sound option 3)use modem at 28.8 4)etc etc etc So i only remind that for all . Without any comments May be at that time in Cj6 ..... PS Its only game guys dont be so serios - we are not in real war but ingame war. And must have fun so relax
Trembler Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 06:37:00 - [152] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. I agree with you i need to grow up and do the following so u can accept me as a grown up: - Log off after 15 minutes timer has expeired from a cheap gank. - Wear 3 wcs in combat . - W***** complexes 24/7. - Stroke my E-peen on EVE-O after every battle i go in and splatter total nonsense of forums since i usualy win using suspicious tactics which eventualy be banned . Did i miss something mum ? I thought you alrdy did that?? I was kinda wondering when u will show up to start the usual "Plesantries" If you find a kill mail that i was usign stabs in combat or any one to claim i even logged off in combat i will agree with what u say , untill then Ciao http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=kill&id=71354
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 07:02:00 - [153] Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. LOL, please stop Beyond Horizon posting before asking others to grow up. I was not addressing to all of you, but to the guy in question only. I will say honestly, that there are many good and friendly people in coalition as well. Unfortunately, some are not... :( Originally by: Trembler Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel And all their Fanboi supporters also who think that their lame gameplay is worth cheering for ! You really need to grow up. I agree with you i need to grow up and do the following so u can accept me as a grown up: - Log off after 15 minutes timer has expeired from a cheap gank. - Wear 3 wcs in combat . - W***** complexes 24/7. - Stroke my E-peen on EVE-O after every battle i go in and splatter total nonsense of forums since i usualy win using suspicious tactics which eventualy be banned . Did i miss something mum ? I thought you alrdy did that?? I was kinda wondering when u will show up to start the usual "Plesantries" If you find a kill mail that i was usign stabs in combat or any one to claim i even logged off in combat i will agree with what u say , untill then Ciao http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=kill&id=71354 pwned =) If I was sure that Mitay would remember, I'd ask him how many WCS have actually survived the explosion... And dear Yazoul Samaiel, lately I have seen enough (or should I say too many) pilots from the Coaltion, that do: - equip 1,2,3+ WCS; - equip cloaking devices on all kinds of ships (just to be able to cloak and escape at first opportunity, unless they can easily gank somebody); - log off in combat (sometimes few people at the very same time); - safe spot, and log off as soon as they see there are some RA in the system; - and so on. And how can we fly t2 battleships and capitals, if according to you we are constantly getting banned? _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Zzazzt Gallente Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.08 07:27:00 - [154] TBH, I don't think there's a problem with game mechanics at all. The issue is just down to lag (which isn't a mechanic - it's a technical limitation). If there was no lag (or indeed if lag was somehow compensated for) then the game mechanics become balanced. We're not really ***ing because of RA. Yeah we're *ed that they probed out 2 capships when the got lagbooted, but what we're really* ***ed about is stuff like dreads being killed by a POS at 16au distance. The simple fact is this: If you assemble a fleet of 30+ capships (as long as you got more than 15 dreads), then you should be able to reinforce any POS in one siege cycle, and there should be bugger all anyone could do about it short of having a fleet big and/or strong enough to kill the caps. At the moment, lag prevents this from being in any way certain unless you pull an EC and* have the node reinforced in advance. Personally, I'd like to see POS reinforcement go to a fixed timer & do away with the stront timers, as I think reinforced mode favours the defenders a little too much atm. ____________________________________________
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:16:00 - [155] Same happened to us in XZH against Goons, i feel with ya --------------------------------
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 19:59:00 - [156] Edited by: Yazoul Samaiel on 08/08/2006 20:01:35 Originally by: Trembler http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=kill&id=71354 OMG i am sooo busted , i use WCS Yeah i suggest also u ask mitay what i was doing also that day i got ganked so u can get ur story straight. This ship wasnt even mine i i was about to dock my scorp and an alliance m8 asked me to fly his BB i didnt even know what was on it so i undocked to and moved to find that nice gank squad and engaged any way . If i dig RA killmails and show how many WCS u guys use it will be like christamss realy so try to find soemthing better sicne if i realy use WCS i would use them on my BS i lost to RA not on a T1 cruiser !!! Inaddition everyone i flew with knows how much i despise WCS in combat so try better next time "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 20:08:00 - [157] Originally by: Pastora pwned =) If I was sure that Mitay would remember, I'd ask him how many WCS have actually survived the explosion... And dear Yazoul Samaiel, lately I have seen enough (or should I say too many) pilots from the Coaltion, that do: - equip 1,2,3+ WCS; - equip cloaking devices on all kinds of ships (just to be able to cloak and escape at first opportunity, unless they can easily gank somebody); - log off in combat (sometimes few people at the very same time); - safe spot, and log off as soon as they see there are some RA in the system; - and so on. And how can we fly t2 battleships and capitals, if according to you we are constantly getting banned? Again some ill founded rubbish , your basily explaining to us RA gank squad tactics not the other way round . I have been enagging RA gank squads on daily basis when i was in the south ur usual routine is one cloakcer in system finds a nice cheap gank 3 or 4 RA log in do the gank and linger till the 15 mins exprie when we coem to engage u guys switch through 100000 SS then log off again plus when we engage RA ship +6 points on a ship is a must . I ma talking about the gangs that i have been in and participated in , i dont speack for the rest of the coalition if they use the same tactics then its their bussiness and u guys have deserve it . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Mj Pronin Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 20:41:00 - [158] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Edited by: Yazoul Samaiel on 08/08/2006 20:01:35 Originally by: Trembler http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=kill&id=71354 OMG i am sooo busted , i use WCS Yeah i suggest also u ask mitay what i was doing also that day i got ganked so u can get ur story straight. This ship wasnt even mine i i was about to dock my scorp and an alliance m8 asked me to fly his BB i didnt even know what was on it so i undocked to and moved to find that nice gank squad and engaged any way . If i dig RA killmails and show how many WCS u guys use it will be like christamss realy so try to find soemthing better sicne if i realy use WCS i would use them on my BS i lost to RA not on a T1 cruiser !!! Inaddition everyone i flew with knows how much i despise WCS in combat so try better next time You are so pathetic. You were boasting you dont use WCS-you were found saying lies. As well as all bull**** you were accusing RED on. We proved lot of times that all this were lies as well-logintraps, lags, and so on. And the very moment you were found lieing- you start to hide behind ton of lame excuses. Nobody cares when and what you were doing. nobody cares who was the owner of this ship as you cannot prove it. The only prove is killmail with you as main hero. You were cought with you pants down. Nodody need your explanation afterwars. Live on, forum superhero. You showed enough for people to make up nice understanding about what a person you are. You make me laugh every time i read your lame posts.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 20:53:00 - [159] Originally by: Mj Pronin Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Edited by: Yazoul Samaiel on 08/08/2006 20:01:35 Originally by: Trembler http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=kill&id=71354 OMG i am sooo busted , i use WCS Yeah i suggest also u ask mitay what i was doing also that day i got ganked so u can get ur story straight. This ship wasnt even mine i i was about to dock my scorp and an alliance m8 asked me to fly his BB i didnt even know what was on it so i undocked to and moved to find that nice gank squad and engaged any way . If i dig RA killmails and show how many WCS u guys use it will be like christamss realy so try to find soemthing better sicne if i realy use WCS i would use them on my BS i lost to RA not on a T1 cruiser !!! Inaddition everyone i flew with knows how much i despise WCS in combat so try better next time You are so pathetic. You were boasting you dont use WCS-you were found saying lies. As well as all bull** you were accusing RED on. We proved lot of times that all this were lies as well-logintraps, lags, and so on. And the very moment you were found lieing- you start to hide behind ton of lame excuses. Nobody cares when and what you were doing. nobody cares who was the owner of this ship as you cannot prove it. The only prove is killmail with you as main hero. You were cought with you pants down. Nodody need your explanation afterwars. Live on, forum superhero. You showed enough for people to make up nice understanding about what a person you are. You make me laugh every time i read your lame posts. Mmm , Replying to moron like you is such a waste of time since u prob cant get ur head out of ur a and just read properly . 1 KM with a ship thats not mine vs tons i got doesnt prove **. 100000 RA kill mails with WCS proves u guys are stab monkeys. Anyway i dont need to prove anything everyone knows what Tactics RA uses plus i dont lie and i dont use WCS in combat so stfu about it already. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**
Mj Pronin Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:00:00 - [160] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Anyway i dont need to prove anything everyone knows what Tactics RA uses plus i dont lie and i dont use WCS in combat so stfu about it already. You forum clown. You knows nothing about our tactics-your killmails (wow omg, 11 kills) shows this cleary. You use WCS in combat. Killmail proves this. So put you head back in your arse and stfu.

Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:06:00 - [161] Originally by: Mj Pronin Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Anyway i dont need to prove anything everyone knows what Tactics RA uses plus i dont lie and i dont use WCS in combat so stfu about it already. You forum clown. You knows nothing about our tactics-your killmails (wow omg, 11 kills) shows this cleary. You use WCS in combat. Killmail proves this. So put you head back in your arse and stfu. Like i give a flying F* what u think about me realy RA member accusing me of using WCS in combat and being pathetic , your the clown here who is providing pure comedy realy "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**
M1NeR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:07:00 - [162] Gah, I guess I just cant hold seeing all those stupid things again ... WTF is wrong with WCS??!! Those are eligable modules to fit. If you fit 'em you sacrifice your tanking capabilities, dps, speed, etc, etc. Why dont you guys cry something like "warp disruptors\scramblers are lame" or "stasis webifiers are for noobs" or even "megapulse t2 + conflagration = cheater's weapon"? Or maybe you whine about all this at other forum? Quit with this crap please. If you can't kill a guy who is using stabs\nosfs\jams\etc or any other ** it doesn't mean that those modules suck. It means that you suck. You don't have enough skill\brains to counter your opponent's fitting. SO BEAT IT PLEASE!!!** -------
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:12:00 - [163] Originally by: Mj Pronin Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I'm fighting RA squads on daily basis And killing 11 ships total? I'm killing 11 ships general "on daily basis". So, another lie of forum superhero who never even were engaged in mass fleet battles - only doing pirate gankage in n-rael/konora. You didint even meet RA gangs in actions- and you try to judge us? ROFL. Sorry i cant kill ppl who logg off when we brought numbers game mechanics doesnt allow it , plus i was in the south for one month , where was ur large fleets when we took m53??? Running a complex some where ?? "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Mj Pronin Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 22:27:00 - [164] Originally by: M1NeR Gah, I guess I just cant hold seeing all those stupid things again ... WTF is wrong with WCS??!! Those are eligable modules to fit. Nothing wrong with WCS. It is ok module to use it. You gain something using it and you lose something as well. What is wrong in this particular case-the person stated he dont use WCS. He also stated that if he is found using them-he will shut up. He was found using them and killmail was provided as a prove. Being well known forum smacker this person once again proved that his mouth full of lies and he has no honor, even to keep his word, but goes on pouring **** on RA, not even knowing what he is talking about. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 23:12:00 - [165] Originally by: Mj Pronin Originally by: M1NeR Gah, I guess I just cant hold seeing all those stupid things again ... WTF is wrong with WCS??!! Those are eligable modules to fit. Nothing wrong with WCS. It is ok module to use it. You gain something using it and you lose something as well. What is wrong in this particular case-the person stated he dont use WCS. He also stated that if he is found using them-he will shut up. He was found using them and killmail was provided as a prove. Being well known forum smacker this person once again proved that his mouth full of lies and he has no honor, even to keep his word, but goes on pouring ** on RA, not even knowing what he is talking about. Nothing more, nothing less. http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=kill&id=12598 An RA member preaching me about honor in combat , yeah right . Even in a T1 frig your still a coward. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**
Bahlan	Posted - 2006.08.09 15:46:00 - [166] Originally by: munchy Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: munchy omg u guys are brilliant, ur AWSOME way of hiding a blatant loss has fooled us all, you're not backing down to RA at all, its all CCP's fault.....yeah You must be some insane tactical expert! You know all the facts, take your fanboi attitude elsewhere please. take your god complex eslewhere plz Please go watch the footage from the fight, and THEN u can ***** about them lying about lag :P Footage is the ultimate proof
Chochko Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.10 13:07:00 - [167] It is strange to see RA flame someone for using something that is RA standart fleet module. And i know Yazz very well, he dont use stabs. That ship was borrowed from someone because Yazoul had no ship at this moment in Konora. Just for You mighty Anti stab-RA warriors - ZOMG Trembler Trembler again Pastora the defender of RA STAB users Mj with Stabed FRIG!!! Dont want to dig more... you know how long can be this list. So in short - You dont know the situation and start to flame a person who used stab once in a borrowed ship when you use them regulary. ---------------------------------------- Ancient Japanese saying: The one who owns the minigun, fears not!
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.10 13:15:00 - [168] Originally by: Chochko skip Are you sure, you are not the same person with Yazz? Nobody of us claimed, we never use them. We just told that there are many people in coalition, who use'em too. Get a clue? It it that hard to comprehend? I also use warp scramblers sometimes? Is it illegal too? _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Chochko Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.10 13:22:00 - [169] @ Pastora Did i said somewhere that it`s ilegal? I think no. But i say that is lame, RA uses Stabs REGULARY so in my book RA are Lame. Yazz used stab once in force-major situation so he lamed once. I chalenge you to find more than 1 KM with stabs to make generalization that some person is using Stabs. And no we are not same person. He is native english speaking person and i`m not. This can ding you a little ring Mister POP. ---------------------------------------- Ancient Japanese saying: The one who owns the minigun, fears not!
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.10 13:46:00 - [170] Originally by: Pastora are you sure, you are not the same person with Yazz? Shall i order you a tinfoil hat or can you wear urs now ?? Coz u will deffo need one when u start making all those weird assumptions ! I didnt say WCS are illegal i said u guys use them as part of ur tactics which are cowardly imo and i never use them and as i said b4 that ship wasnt even mine and honestly speackign i never knew it had stabs on except when i saw the kill mail , problem is ur lacky back there started hurling his trash at me and saying i use stabs like u guys which i dont and funny thing is he preaches about honor in combat which chockos post just prvoes the other wise "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"

Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.10 16:17:00 - [171] Edited by: Pastora on 10/08/2006 16:17:43 Originally by: Chochko @ Pastora Did i said somewhere that it`s ilegal? I think no. But i say that is lame, RA uses Stabs REGULARY so in my book RA are Lame. Yazz used stab once in force-major situation so he lamed once. I chalenge you to find more than 1 KM with stabs to make generalization that some person is using Stabs. Well, find more than 1 KM, where I have used stabs. As Yazz, I could have went into explaining that it has been more than 1 year ago, that I probably had reasons to fly with stabs then, but I won't. And if there will be a need for me to equip stabs again, I'll do it. And I'd care less what galant and honorable knights of my enemy are thinking and/or wanting me to do. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
rgreat Gallente OEG	Posted - 2006.08.10 16:35:00 - [172] Yazoul Samaiel, i recommend you shut up. You only make yourself look bad. With best regards. ;)
Razin	Posted - 2006.08.10 17:14:00 - [173] This thread should be renamed to "Yazoul Samaiel gets spanked and owned, but gets a consolation handjob from a Coalition looser".

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