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Jessica Duranin Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 167	Posted - 2014.10.01 11:45:00 - [31] - Quote Marox Calendale wrote: And all those players will come back to wh when this balance has happened. It-¦s just a question how you adapt in the meantime. You still think they will fix this someday? Hyperion release was over a month ago... and what did they do to address the concerns that the players expressed? No "yes, there might be an issue" or "we'll look into that" but instead more nerfs to w-space. Just look at how Fozzie responded to this thread: No mention that they might look into the implications this has for w-space or even change anything about it - he just states that the nerf is intended. Hell, corbexx had to literally drag him in here to at least tell us that they nerfed w-space again. Don't be illusional. CCP doesn't give a sh*t about w-space. There won't be any fix for this mess.
Ageudum Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND 15	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:03:00 - [32] - Quote Nox52 wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: For some reason the patch note for this change incorrectly limits itself to mentioning the Mara Paleos. Quote: The Mara Paleo Incursion NPC now remote repairs correctly. The issue that had been breaking the remote reps in incursions was also breaking the remote reps from sleeper NPCs. For the past while sleepers have not been applying any of their remote reps (you were only seeing their local reps). They are now once again working at original spec. Yeah, how about taking a balancing pass on the sites in light of their increased difficulty now. Given how CCP has proved their ability to "balance" wormholes in the past, are you really sure you want them to give wormhole sites a balance pass now that they've been "fixed"? I really hope that the change in time that it takes to run a site drastically affects the prices of nanoribbons, preferably in the direction of up.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2661	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:13:00 - [33] - Quote You wormhole pubbies are such entitled babies. Is working for your isk a foreign concept? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Ageudum Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND 16	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:17:00 - [34] - Quote La Nariz wrote: You wormhole pubbies are such entitled babies. Is working for your isk a foreign concept? Yes
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2323	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:20:00 - [35] - Quote Rroff wrote: C4 and upwards doesn't really bother me as I've always thought that should require a team effort, 1-3 might need a bit of tweaking though. It's been awhile since I ran C1-3 sites, but IIRC sleeper RR doesn't become very prevalent until C4+
Andronitis Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred 6	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:23:00 - [36] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Is working for your isk a foreign concept? Ahem. Technetium?
Winthorp 2770	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:24:00 - [37] - Quote For C5/6 i see this as an irritation that will be overcome but for the people running sites in C1-4 some sites are just going to become extra painful to run to the point they will have to field more ships or upsize ship choices for NO EXTRA reward in an area of WH space that is already sub par in ISK reward/effort/risk. I really hope CCP would start looking at implications for changes before "fixing" things.
Jessica Duranin Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 167	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:24:00 - [38] - Quote La Nariz wrote: GoonWaffe translation: "Hello, I'm a little bluesec pubbie. I have infinitely respawning sites that I can run 24/7 in a cheap BS for 100+mio isk/h without any risk unless I fall asleep."
Winthorp 2770	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:25:00 - [39] - Quote La Nariz wrote: You wormhole pubbies are such entitled babies. Is working for your isk a foreign concept? I will remember this statement in the coming months when sov changes make your empires crumble into the abyss.
captain foivos State War Academy Caldari State 246	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:32:00 - [40] - Quote haha wormholers got screwed goback2highsec and get in line to run incursions with everyone else you poors

Ageudum Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND 16	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:35:00 - [41] - Quote captain foivos wrote: haha wormholers got screwed goback2highsec and get in line to run incursions with everyone else you poors I was under the impression that nobody was allowed to run highsec incursions anymore? Something about "scooping loot" and "DDoS attack" and "ISN is worse than cancer"?
Steven Hackett Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 81	Posted - 2014.10.01 12:35:00 - [42] - Quote La Nariz wrote: You wormhole pubbies are such entitled babies. Is working for your isk a foreign concept? I don't know man, you should try it some day.. AFKtar all day, amirite?
Alundil Isogen 5 687	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:08:00 - [43] - Quote Winthorp wrote: For C5/6 i see this as an irritation that will be overcome but for the people running sites in C1-4 some sites are just going to become extra painful to run to the point they will have to field more ships or upsize ship choices for NO EXTRA reward in an area of WH space that is already sub par in ISK reward/effort/risk. I really hope CCP would start looking at implications for changes before "fixing" things. Basically, that is the issue. Wspace I'd bleeding players to 00 and incursions in hs as it is. Reducing the ability to recoup ship loss is going to further worsen this. I'm right behind you
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2663	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:10:00 - [44] - Quote Jessica Duranin wrote: La Nariz wrote: GoonWaffe translation: "Hello, I'm a little bluesec pubbie. I have infinitely respawning sites that I can run 24/7 in a cheap BS for 100+mio isk/h without any risk unless I fall asleep." Hah I actually have to risk things for my isk, you guys on the other hand basically get it freely handed to you. Hell even the incursion people have to deal with more risk than you do because of ganking. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2323	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:13:00 - [45] - Quote Winthorp wrote: For C5/6 i see this as an irritation that will be overcome but for the people running sites in C1-4 some sites are just going to become extra painful to run to the point they will have to field more ships or upsize ship choices for NO EXTRA reward in an area of WH space that is already sub par in ISK reward/effort/risk. I really hope CCP would start looking at implications for changes before "fixing" things. Like I just said above, while I can understand everyone's frustration at this change, it helps to be accurate in the complaints C1-C2 sites have no RR C3 sites have very minimal RR. Even before it was broken it was manageable, as you either have 1 RR BS in a final wave (just kill it first) or a couple RR frigates/cruisers which can be knocked down C4 sites, yea they are gonna be even more annoying given not only their significant increase in RR over C3 and long ranges. C5-C6- Never ran them, but considering threads like "site running like a baws" it seemed like maybe they were a little too easy without RR?
Aiyshimin Imperial Collective Unsettled. 103	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:14:00 - [46] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Jessica Duranin wrote: La Nariz wrote: GoonWaffe translation: "Hello, I'm a little bluesec pubbie. I have infinitely respawning sites that I can run 24/7 in a cheap BS for 100+mio isk/h without any risk unless I fall asleep." Hah I actually have to risk things for my isk, you guys on the other hand basically get it freely handed to you. Hell even the incursion people have to deal with more risk than you do because of ganking. Still you've never mustered the courage to enter a wormhole
Y Vern State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:15:00 - [47] - Quote omg guys i can't make 900m/hr running escalations anymore :( down to 800m/hr it became so dangerous after the last changes too, where basically no one who still lives in wormholes will put in the effort to roll them looking for people site running
Shilalasar Dead Sky Inc. 104	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:20:00 - [48] - Quote Oh look, goontrolls wandered in here again begging for attention. About this fix screwing over lowerclasses, correct me if I am wrong but isn-¦t there only more than one BS preserver in the harder c3 radar and two c4 sites. Only one Preserver per wave just tells you what to shoot first.
umnikar Fishbone Industries 45	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:32:00 - [49] - Quote Shilalasar wrote: Oh look, goontrolls wandered in here again begging for attention. About this fix screwing over lowerclasses, correct me if I am wrong but isn-¦t there only more than one BS preserver in the harder c3 radar and two c4 sites. Only one Preserver per wave just tells you what to shoot first. There are 3 Preservers in the C4 command post's last spawn
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 823	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:34:00 - [50] - Quote umnikar wrote: Shilalasar wrote: Oh look, goontrolls wandered in here again begging for attention. About this fix screwing over lowerclasses, correct me if I am wrong but isn-¦t there only more than one BS preserver in the harder c3 radar and two c4 sites. Only one Preserver per wave just tells you what to shoot first. There are 3 Preservers in the C4 command post's last spawn As per my post in the other thread: Rroff wrote: Ouch if my maths is right the last wave on the Frontier Command Post with RR actually properly working can keep the defenders up against almost 1k dps (applied) - so obviously don't go for those first

Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2323	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:44:00 - [51] - Quote Shilalasar wrote: Oh look, goontrolls wandered in here again begging for attention. About this fix screwing over lowerclasses, correct me if I am wrong but isn-¦t there only more than one BS preserver in the harder c3 radar and two c4 sites. Only one Preserver per wave just tells you what to shoot first. As stated, yes it really doesn't change C1-C3. It really does smack down C4's harder, on top of them becoming WH super highways and such.
corbexx eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 763	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:49:00 - [52] - Quote captain foivos wrote: haha wormholers got screwed goback2highsec and get in line to run incursions with everyone else you poors to be fair the incursions have also been "fixed" Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
Alundil Isogen 5 688	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:50:00 - [53] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Jessica Duranin wrote: La Nariz wrote: GoonWaffe translation: "Hello, I'm a little bluesec pubbie. I have infinitely respawning sites that I can run 24/7 in a cheap BS for 100+mio isk/h without any risk unless I fall asleep." Hah I actually have to risk things for my isk, you guys on the other hand basically get it freely handed to you. Hell even the incursion people have to deal with more risk than you do because of ganking. The clueless quotient is high with this one. I'm right behind you
umnikar Fishbone Industries 45	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:56:00 - [54] - Quote Rroff wrote: umnikar wrote: Shilalasar wrote: Oh look, goontrolls wandered in here again begging for attention. About this fix screwing over lowerclasses, correct me if I am wrong but isn-¦t there only more than one BS preserver in the harder c3 radar and two c4 sites. Only one Preserver per wave just tells you what to shoot first. There are 3 Preservers in the C4 command post's last spawn As per my post in the other thread: Rroff wrote: Ouch if my maths is right the last wave on the Frontier Command Post with RR actually properly working can keep the defenders up against almost 1k dps (applied) - so obviously don't go for those first Yeah, I could still farm em like a Boss...if there weren't so many k162 around. ;)
Jack Miton Isogen 5 3813	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:58:00 - [55] - Quote fk's sake. what IS it with the whiney BS attitude in WHs these days? back in my day, sleepers RRed and got bonused in cataclysmics. now THAT was a grind fest. PS: these changes have actual zero impact on cap escalation income/difficulty though solo marauders are probably entering sad phase. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
scimichar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:00:00 - [56] - Quote Steven Hackett wrote: La Nariz wrote: You wormhole pubbies are such entitled babies. Is working for your isk a foreign concept? I don't know man, you should try it some day.. AFKtar all day, amirite? Except AFKTaring all day results in the same amount of isk as running an hour of WH sites.
Traba Regina Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep 20	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:01:00 - [57] - Quote Just a thought.. but would jamming the sleepers reduce there remote rep ability? I don't know if they affect npc too npc? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=225281&find=unread Join Serene Vendetta now!
umnikar Fishbone Industries 45	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:04:00 - [58] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Jessica Duranin wrote: La Nariz wrote: GoonWaffe translation: "Hello, I'm a little bluesec pubbie. I have infinitely respawning sites that I can run 24/7 in a cheap BS for 100+mio isk/h without any risk unless I fall asleep." Hah I actually have to risk things for my isk, you guys on the other hand basically get it freely handed to you. Hell even the incursion people have to deal with more risk than you do because of ganking. Somehow I like all this and have a laugh. Specially the day when renter income goes away. Some people could actually play this game again.
Andrew Jester Origin. Black Legion. 708	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:07:00 - [59] - Quote Andronitis wrote: La Nariz wrote: Is working for your isk a foreign concept? Ahem. Technetium? You're dumb I would like to take a moment to thank CCP for fueling the whining-bitching fire for another week or two while all these "hardened" players throw tantrums like sweets-deprived 5-year old. Talk about how "elite" you are and how much better you are than those casual k-spacers, but the moment something even remotely disturbs the equilibrium tear geysers just start erupting. Pls HTFU, it's embarrassing If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
BadAssMcKill ElitistOps 889	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:22:00 - [60] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Jessica Duranin wrote: La Nariz wrote: GoonWaffe translation: "Hello, I'm a little bluesec pubbie. I have infinitely respawning sites that I can run 24/7 in a cheap BS for 100+mio isk/h without any risk unless I fall asleep." Hah I actually have to risk things for my isk, you guys on the other hand basically get it freely handed to you. Hell even the incursion people have to deal with more risk than you do because of ganking. You're trying too hard .



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