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eLLioTT wave
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.10 02:42:00 -
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If an English scientist is working for an American secret government project, makes a breakthrough and then decides to leave and go back to England, can he take his secret project with him because he's done all of the work? Or does it belong to the American government he was working for at the time?
(no i'm not from either of the countries - just another way of putting your question i think)
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BustyBounty
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.10 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: BustyBounty on 10/08/2006 02:49:28
if you really did 90% of the work to obtain the bpo's then I say corp B keeps them and stops giving any of the profits to corp A
tell them there original investment was paid back out of the profits seeing as there playing funny beggars.
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If an English scientist is working for an American secret government project, makes a breakthrough and then decides to leave and go back to England, can he take his secret project with him because he's done all of the work?
companys in RL and corps in EVE have nothing in common 
if this was in real life the guys mining to buy the bpo would have been paid for there time ,the minerals would not have belonged to them and they would not have owned the bpo a bunch of majority shareholders would have.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.10 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
If an English scientist is working for an American secret government project, makes a breakthrough and then decides to leave and go back to England, can he take his secret project with him because he's done all of the work? Or does it belong to the American government he was working for at the time?
(no i'm not from either of the countries - just another way of putting your question i think)
That's a bit enforcable with deadly force and prior agreements. While I admire your attempt to compare this, it isn't really relatable.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
If an English scientist is working for an American secret government project, makes a breakthrough and then decides to leave and go back to England, can he take his secret project with him because he's done all of the work? Or does it belong to the American government he was working for at the time?
I think you mean, if an American scientist is working for an American secret project but then one day the project is transferred to the UK and the scientist with it, and then the scientist becomes a UK citizen and anyway he was a crazy rich scientist who funded the project himself and then later the UK and the US broke off diplomatic ties and decided to shut down the project... who gets the seecret profits?
The answer: Who knows! Probably whoever has the bigger guns if it's worth going to war over, otherwise there's probably a trade embargo and maybe some angry letters to the Editor, but the Uk keeps things...
Wait, what was the question?
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.10 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 10/08/2006 03:43:21
If 1 or 2 people did most of the work, while others didn't do much, then you should find a solution that takes care of that.
Usually if all people contribute to the corp and some people leave, then I think the stuff belongs the corp and should stay there without having to pay out anything. I mean the pvp folk contributes, too. They join pvp ops, e.g. in -V-: No pvp attendence, just carebearing = kick.
But here it looks like 1 or 2 people invested almost 18 bil for the BPOs, so I think they are mostly theirs. Looks like they worked their asses off for it.
Just my personal view of it.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:15:00 -
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Voted keep the BPOs, plus use your cash hire five or ten merc corps to chase the guys around for a month or so, plus leave insulting can art outside the station with their headquarters.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:15:00 -
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Personally, I take a very strict and literal perspective regarding these issues. I believe that whatever corp has physical possession of a BPO "owns" it, especially when they got initial possession of it legitimately. The fact that the members of corp B also are the ones who put 90% of the work into procuring the BPO further strengthens this argument. However, I personally believe that the legitimate, physical possession aspect is the determining factor.
Corp B didn't steal the BPO. Absent an explicit agreement as to what to do should corp A and corp B decide to go their separate ways there's no obligation on corp B's part to return it. The fact that corp B offered to either continue paying corp A profits, or pay/trade them a flat amount for it, is actually very noble because I don't think they even needed to do that. The fact that corp A is who initially purchased the BPO has absolutely no bearing on the issue. There are only two arguments for ownership: 1) actually physical possesion and 2) work/effort/isk expended. Both of those arguments favor corp B.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Voted keep the BPOs, plus use your cash hire five or ten merc corps to chase the guys around for a month or so, plus leave insulting can art outside the station with their headquarters.
This sounds like the most fun course of action mentioned so far. It would also be good if you smashed their POS network with dreadnoughts built with the very same BPO.
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Lygos
ISS Navy Task Force
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Posted - 2006.08.10 05:54:00 -
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You could probably use the corp shares program if you had decent accounting. If the CEOs went against the shareholder decisions, then that would be corp theft.
I can't really tell if you are looking for an ethical justification of an outcome or a viable and equitable fiduciary solution.
While the idea of a worker-owned company is nice (and can have great tax benefits) it is alot easier to simply pay commissions on labor and projects.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.10 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Voted keep the BPOs, plus use your cash hire five or ten merc corps to chase the guys around for a month or so, plus leave insulting can art outside the station with their headquarters.
This sounds like the most fun course of action mentioned so far. It would also be good if you smashed their POS network with dreadnoughts built with the very same BPO.
Now that would be sweet revenge.
"You want your dreadnought BPO, here's your dread BPO!"
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Mike Yagon
Minmatar
The Phoenix Legionaires
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mike Yagon on 10/08/2006 08:07:17
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Voted keep the BPOs, plus use your cash hire five or ten merc corps to chase the guys around for a month or so, plus leave insulting can art outside the station with their headquarters.
This sounds like the most fun course of action mentioned so far. It would also be good if you smashed their POS network with dreadnoughts built with the very same BPO.
Now that would be sweet revenge.
"You want your dreadnought BPO, here's your dread BPO!"
Stick said dread BPO in that dread, lure them out to fight for it.  Plus you get to tauntingly spam a Show Info link of it in local!
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:19:00 -
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Assuming the information the general comunity has is true (not saying anything against either corps involved, but all of the above is speculation based on unverified (and unverifiable) info (unless you are actually involved), Corp B, imo, has every right to keep the BPOs. While in their posession, much research appears to have been done @ Corp Bs expense, and the fact that Corp B can actually utilise these BPOs (apparently a full set for all Dreads, and some carriers), Corp B is sitting pretty on a licence to print money.
Corp A deserve what they get, and if they war deck, use some of that hard earned to set some Mercs on them. Even better if you join another alliance as Corp A's alliance has to pay a massiveley increased war bill, and Corp A also have to convince their alliance to do so:)
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:26:00 -
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How do corp A propose to take the BPO's from corp B?
Can't be done, no matter how much corp A wish otherwise.
With that in mind, corp A should be grateful for any scraps corp B may throw their way.
Personally, I'd give them nothing.
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:39:00 -
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Just tell Corp A to go F themselves, seem like a bunch of AHs anyway....
So...how much you selling dreads for?
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Eximius Josari
Shadow Reavers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:40:00 -
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At this point, I would simply forget they even exist.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.10 09:24:00 -
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Keep the BPO's and deposit into Corp A's account what you deem appropriate for their investment and efforts (or directly to the contributing members in question). Not more, not less. What you think they deserve.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.10 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Gatedeath
Okay. I will not use names in this post.
By the way, post with your main.
\o/
Nice one, ****take! 
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OzaLoni
Gallente
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 09:59:00 -
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heheheh i've been waiting for this post to finally be made and I guessed at least 1 of the corps who were involved. Funny I was told that the BPO's in question were LENT out from OCC to RONA... funny but it is not how this reads.
Knowing OCC this doesn't surprise me at all. I could be back in the PA reading this, things just don't change do they 
GL ****take.....
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OzaLoni
Gallente
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Gatedeath
Okay. I will not use names in this post.
By the way, post with your main.
\o/
Nice one, ****take!
I wonder who this... hmmm ... hello edoo?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.10 10:24:00 -
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EVE way: The party without the BPO is left without the BPO.
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Uther Doull
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.10 10:42:00 -
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sounds like politics and human nature tbh
so i guess your answer is yeah, it could be called theft...
however the only law in eve is the law you can enforce yourself, so (guessing from the way you tell your story you are in corp B) you have the bpo's and you feel you are entitled to them. the solution seems pretty simple to me... you keep them and deal with the consequences.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.08.10 11:16:00 -
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Sounds like Corp A and Corp B already had a deal worked out, and now Corp A are trying to renege on it. Corp A should have put a bit more thought into the original agreement and provided for forseable changes of circumstance, and so only have themselves to blame.
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Bhaal
Minmatar
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.10 11:17:00 -
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If players 1 & 2 who are in corp B did 90% of the work, they need to tell corp A to **** off IMO...
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 11:24:00 -
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Just do what is common in eve, wardec (hell make it mutual) and duke it out, winner gets all
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Lorette
Gallente
Mythian Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.10 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lorette on 10/08/2006 11:32:08
Player 1+2 offer to pay back the original isk imput from the other investee's (that 10% of purchase price), if they dont take that offer then just cease communication, or just pay it anyway then cease communication.
From the sounds of it you were the industrialist, you were actually capable of producing the ships. They just made an investment and got the main benefit of the ships that were built, the way i look at it they never 'owned' the BPO in the first place and so have no right to get it back, unless they pay the ammount you put in.
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Steven Dynahir
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.10 11:35:00 -
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For Corp B I would suggest that you keep the BPO, this because of these reasons
1) You can.
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Mikal Drey
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.10 12:50:00 -
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hey hey
Player joins corp, buys bpo's and puts them into corp, Player leaves corp . .
who gets the BPO ?
or even any thing that player drops to corp.
Same difference here . . whoever currently has the BPO owns it theres no way to get it back so whats done is done. Only comon decency and honorable players would decide on any fair course of action.
I saw a reply that said war dec ans fight it out . thats the alternative when diplomacy breaks down.
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Archangel Raphael
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Posted - 2006.08.10 13:16:00 -
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the way i see it is as -
firstly they were doing it for the corp, if someone "at the time" isnt happy doin all the mining, then they should of said then and maybe arranged so that all members took it in turns,, it is a corp effort.
secondly,, were the items bought through the corp account/or using corp isk? if so then its irrelevant of who paid more in its corp cash.
and thirdly when the corp decided to disband, amicably then all corp assests should of been sold off and each member should of recieved a equal percentage of the final corp revenue
that would of been my way of doing it,,,,
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Taketa De
Gallente
Seneca Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.10 13:28:00 -
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If what was written here is accurate and reflects what really happened I think Corp B should keep the BPOs.
1. They were the ones who started the project
2. They were the ones who funded the project
3. They were the ones who continued the project and made profit
4. They were the ones who made a fair settlement offer.
now the only points Corp A has in their favor:
1. They were in control of the Corp where the BPOs were originally bought and the project was started
2. They contributed a small amount to the funds
Personally, especially with the settlement offer being more then fair I think Corp B has fulfilled all of their obligations.
Now there is one thing I don't understand: When Corp A started hostilities... why is this still an issue?
If any Corp would wardec me or a Corp I am a member of, I'd stop playing nice. No more settlement offer, no more payments for sold items and hire mercs if those can be afforded. At that point they become the enemy and loose any goodwill left and any chance to get at those BPOs... ever.
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RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 10/08/2006 17:59:12
damn it - eve forums ate up my reply - will fix this later after work
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