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Katrina Coreli
Cannon Fodder Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:05:00 -
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My physics arnt great so bear with me, but surely if Eve propultion works in a similar wawy to modern space travel, and the afterburners do too surely there would be no limit to a ships speed given the lack of anything to slow it down other than the gravitational effects of other objects in space.
Just a thought.
 Originally by: Santiago Cortes
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:09:00 -
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That's how space propulsion would work in real life, but it'd be utterly impossible to make the game playable under that system. (Anyone remember trying to manually get to a planet in Frontier, without plastering yourself across the surface?)
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Benco97
Gallente
On Ravens Wings
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:10:00 -
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also, way back in the mists of time, didn't I read something that said the entire eve system is in a big funky gas cloud?
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Caleb Paine
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:11:00 -
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oooh, 3D Asteroids!
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
also, way back in the mists of time, didn't I read something that said the entire eve system is in a big funky gas cloud?
Wouldn't explain the propulsion effects - a "gas cloud" in space is still a damn sight nearer pure vacuum than anything we've created in the lab to date.
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Benco97
Gallente
On Ravens Wings
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Wouldn't explain the propulsion effects - a "gas cloud" in space is still a damn sight nearer pure vacuum than anything we've created in the lab to date.
Nuh-uh, look, I CLEARLY stated "funky", for example "I found the soup far to funky to drink"
I am completely correct ^^
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Zeknichov
Amarr
Black Avatar
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Posted - 2006.08.12 22:36:00 -
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Let's just pretend that the afterburner creates the energy required to thrust the ship forward through slowing the ship down and the max speed is where the equilibrium is met.
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Zaldiri
Caldari
Automated Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.13 00:29:00 -
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You realise if you ask to many questions like this CCP dump you in jove space.
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Zekk Pacus
Caldari
StateCorp
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Posted - 2006.08.13 00:35:00 -
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While there are no frictional forces involved, there are other resisting movement forces at work that determine a ship's maxmimum speed. Mass, for example. I should imagine there's some RP reason given that involves safety systems designed not to let a ship go over a speed deemed 'safe'. (That could also explain faction/pirate afterburners - they've had their safety systems adjusted to give an edge).
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.08.13 01:05:00 -
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Only had to log in 7 times to post this!
Lets just say ships are only rated for certain speeds because at high velocity small particles and 'space rocks' would start damaging the ship's hull. ;)
The new BFG.
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Furutsun
MC Cubed Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.13 01:06:00 -
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eve has sort of got underwater physics as far a propulsion goes, theres some kind of friction in the galaxy of eve that slows ships down
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Shaikar
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.13 01:16:00 -
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Yep thats about right, well until you get to *really* high speeds where odd things would start to happen. EVE physics aren't real physics though, unfortunately. 
Having proper flight physics would be great imo (and battleships going at great speds ae no real problem, beuse a) they took ages t accelerate up to that speed and b) they'll take ages to decelerate. You might hav problems picking up loot though, ala elite /first encounters etc but thats what small maneuverable ships/tractor beams are for anyway  )
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.08.13 01:20:00 -
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Yeah not many people know this but fleet lag is really a feature of EVE, it's actually time slowing down as a result of so much mass clustered into one little area 
The new BFG.
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Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.13 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Coreli
My physics arnt great so bear with me, but surely if Eve propultion works in a similar wawy to modern space travel
It dosn't. Eve spaceships use Casimir-Effect Spacewarp Drives.
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Benco97
Gallente
On Ravens Wings
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Posted - 2006.08.13 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Eve spaceships use Casimir-Effect Spacewarp Drives.
I like to think that my ships use Alcubierre drives and "surf" through space on a thingy-ripple.
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Arkanor
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.08.13 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Coreli
My physics arnt great so bear with me, but surely if Eve propultion works in a similar wawy to modern space travel, and the afterburners do too surely there would be no limit to a ships speed given the lack of anything to slow it down other than the gravitational effects of other objects in space.
Just a thought.
True but it would frack up game balance.
There, explained.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.13 05:55:00 -
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You are all wrong its space pixie dust......
And it is magic....
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Katrina Coreli
Cannon Fodder Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.13 09:23:00 -
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I blame the wizards personally...
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Please don't derail your own thread.
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Tao Han
Caldari
Crucial Electronics
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Posted - 2006.08.13 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tao Han on 13/08/2006 09:25:16
EVE physics is more of a "spaceships in the fishtank" than a true spacesimulation
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Katrina Coreli
Cannon Fodder Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.13 09:30:00 -
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Or prehaps we are infact inside a giant fish tank for the amusement of CCP 
If you could zoom out far enough you would be able to see the pond weed...
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
Please don't derail your own thread.
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Heritor
Caldari
Polytope
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Posted - 2006.08.13 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Coreli
My physics arnt great so bear with me, but surely if Eve propultion works in a similar wawy to modern space travel, and the afterburners do too surely there would be no limit to a ships speed given the lack of anything to slow it down other than the gravitational effects of other objects in space.
Just a thought.
There would be a finite limit to the speed at which you could travel using afterburners.The maximum velocity you could reach is the velocity of the gas which is ejected from your afterburner 
I think Newtons Law number three will cover this nicely
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Dralon
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.08.13 09:45:00 -
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Just keep swimming. Just keep swimming. Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming. What do we do? We swim, swim.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.13 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Heritor
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
My physics arnt great so bear with me, but surely if Eve propultion works in a similar wawy to modern space travel, and the afterburners do too surely there would be no limit to a ships speed given the lack of anything to slow it down other than the gravitational effects of other objects in space.
Just a thought.
There would be a finite limit to the speed at which you could travel using afterburners.The maximum velocity you could reach is the velocity of the gas which is ejected from your afterburner
I think Newtons Law number three will cover this nicely
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Where should I start?
The gas ejected from your afterburner provides THRUST. Doesn't matter whether said gas is ejected at 100,000km/s or 1m/s, it provides thrust, which increases the speed of your ship. There is no theoretical limit, short of c., to which speed an afterburner can take you.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.13 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Heritor
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
My physics arnt great so bear with me, but surely if Eve propultion works in a similar wawy to modern space travel, and the afterburners do too surely there would be no limit to a ships speed given the lack of anything to slow it down other than the gravitational effects of other objects in space.
Just a thought.
There would be a finite limit to the speed at which you could travel using afterburners.The maximum velocity you could reach is the velocity of the gas which is ejected from your afterburner
I think Newtons Law number three will cover this nicely
WHAAAAATT??!!!
Go back to school and learn something, seriously. Newton's Laws refer to force, not velocity.
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Jim Steele
Syncore
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Heritor
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
My physics arnt great so bear with me, but surely if Eve propultion works in a similar wawy to modern space travel, and the afterburners do too surely there would be no limit to a ships speed given the lack of anything to slow it down other than the gravitational effects of other objects in space.
Just a thought.
There would be a finite limit to the speed at which you could travel using afterburners.The maximum velocity you could reach is the velocity of the gas which is ejected from your afterburner
I think Newtons Law number three will cover this nicely
WHAAAAATT??!!!
Go back to school and learn something, seriously. Newton's Laws refer to force, not velocity.
Yes Newtons law states force = mass x acceleration thus to classical mechanics you could keep accelerating forever. However as you travel faster your mass increases (Einstein), so thus assmuming the same propulsive force you will accelerate slower.
Anyway eve is just a game. . .
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:21:00 -
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Eve clearly has non-Newtonian physics. Reaction Mass, anyone?
Does the 'casimir' thingy come from Eve backstory or some real-life speculative engineering?
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:33:00 -
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Q. Why doesn't eve have the same physics as RL?
A. It's a game?
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UrLeyn
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:40:00 -
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Perhaps the ship's maximum speed is the maximum velocity it can reach before the fuel consumption becomes greater than its replenishment; the ship computer automatically limits it to prevent you from running out in mid-space :)
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Steele
The way to get aroung this is to have a gravitational field generating a singularity to compress space so the distance you have to travel is less.
There are many ideas about how FTL could work, but for most theres no known theoretical or applied way of seeing if they do work. I'd wait until we have a better understanding of the relationship between quantum mechanics, relativity and gravity before saying anything certain about FTL.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.14 01:02:00 -
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Dark Matter
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