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Feng Schui	Posted - 2006.08.13 21:23:00 - [1] 2006.08.13 @ 00:13 I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account for ransom for a *day* being left alone to mine / rat in Ennur by his corp (if it was just a personal ransom, i would have deposited 1 million isk) 2006.08.13 19:31 Victim: Feng Schui Alliance: None Corp: Republic Military School Destroyed: Scythe System: Ennur Security: 0.1 Involved parties: Name: ZuN3 (laid the final blow) Security: -10.0 Alliance: Black Flag Alliance Corp: Fortunis Novum Ship: Vagabond Weapon: 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II Name: William Hart Security: -9.9 Alliance: None Corp: Awox Inc. Ship: Claw Weapon: Claw I don't know about anyone else, but a *day* is 24 hours. Not 19 hours. DO NOT give this corp ransom, as they will not honor it. I quote Awox, when I put the kill mail into local chat, "so?" Awox then decided he should pay me back 1/2 of the ransom (2.5 million isk) for the "miscommunication". To the hades with that! I don't want 2.5 million isk, I want 3 corpses in my hanger. Guess which ones? It doesn't matter how long it takes me; the last person I wanted revenge on, took me four years playing the MMO to finally get ahold of him again, and I massacred him. Congratulations Awox Inc. You'll be getting retribution. It may not be today, tomorrow, in a month, or in a year.. but it will happen. And unlike your corp, I honor my word. Irony: A miner grief killing a pirate. You know who you are dear ex-gang member. Why haven't you logged in for the past 2 weeks, hrmm?
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.13 21:51:00 - [2] I know Awox personally and I can vouch for him as someone who honors ransoms. I doubt he was counting the 24 hours, also noting that he lives in Australia might help. ===============================================
Varelse Wiggin	Posted - 2006.08.13 21:59:00 - [3] Originally by: Scoundrelus I know Awox personally and I can vouch for him as someone who honors ransoms. I doubt he was counting the 24 hours, also noting that he lives in Australia might help. It's been a while since i've had a basic geography class, but if memory serves me right time goes the same speed in Australia as it does in Brazil. That's a weak excuse, and if he paid for a day he should get a day. Shaving even 20 minutes off if it should count as dishonoring his ransom.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Originally by: Scoundrelus I know Awox personally and I can vouch for him as someone who honors ransoms. I doubt he was counting the 24 hours, also noting that he lives in Australia might help. It's been a while since i've had a basic geography class, but if memory serves me right time goes the same speed in Australia as it does in Brazil. That's a weak excuse, and if he paid for a day he should get a day. Shaving even 20 minutes off if it should count as dishonoring his ransom. Won't even bother explaining tbh, I sense this thread is about to be mobbed by carebears who love to hear only the "victims" side of the story. ===============================================
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Feng Schui I quote Awox, when I put the kill mail into local chat, "so?" When you post a killmail into local it shows up as the example shows below. Since it won't fit into local chat its shortened and thus he can't see his corpmate on it. 2006.08.13 19:31 Victim: Feng Schui Alliance: None Corp: Republic Military School Destroyed: Scythe System: Ennur Security: 0.1 Involved parties: Name: ZuN3 (laid the final blow) ===============================================
Aakron Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:10:00 - [6] so you paid awox for 24 hours..but his corp mate killed you?
Varelse Wiggin	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Aakron so you paid awox for 24 hours..but his corp mate killed you? Afaik he paid the corporation for 24 hours, not the individual.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Afaik he paid the corporation for 24 hours, not the individual. Originally by: Feng Schui I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account ===============================================
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Originally by: Aakron so you paid awox for 24 hours..but his corp mate killed you? Afaik he paid the corporation for 24 hours, not the individual. And thus the ransom was not honored. Personally if something like this "miscommunication" happened I wouldn't hesitate to pay back several fold the ransom and help replace the ship. Honoring your ransom is everything. My Guides
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Afaik he paid the corporation for 24 hours, not the individual. Originally by: Feng Schui I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account Last I checked Awox was a corporation My Guides
Varelse Wiggin	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Afaik he paid the corporation for 24 hours, not the individual. Originally by: Feng Schui I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account Mate, you can't rewrite stuff like that and expect a competant individual to buy it. Originally by: Feng Schui 2006.08.13 @ 00:13 I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account for ransom for a day being left alone to mine / rat in Ennur by his corp (if it was just a personal ransom, i would have deposited 1 million isk)
Varelse Wiggin	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Afaik he paid the corporation for 24 hours, not the individual. Originally by: Feng Schui I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account Last I checked Awox was a corporation Bahaha, ignore Scoundrelus then, he doesn't know anything about anything. He's just here trying to stir up trouble.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Afaik he paid the corporation for 24 hours, not the individual. Originally by: Feng Schui I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account Last I checked Awox was a corporation Last I checked an individual not of the corp cannot transfer funds into it. ===============================================
stoats	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:34:00 - [14] every time you pay a ransom god kills a kitten.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Bahaha, ignore Scoundrelus then, he doesn't know anything about anything. He's just here trying to stir up trouble. Well thats funny coming from someone who in all probability knows nothing about either involved party and is drawing conclusions based on a killmail and the word of a some random newb. ===============================================
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:34:00 - [16] Hmm, maybe he transfered it to the corp CEO? Assuming what the OP says is actually true then Awox isn't honoring ransoms. We'll have to wait on a comment. My Guides
Varelse Wiggin	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Bahaha, ignore Scoundrelus then, he doesn't know anything about anything. He's just here trying to stir up trouble. Well thats funny coming from someone who in all probability knows nothing about either involved party and is drawing conclusions based on a killmail and the word of a some random newb. I just know that a lot of dishonouring of ransoms and lowsec ganking goes on, that's all. And i'm merely playing the devils advocate here and siding with the "random newb" rather than flame the guy to hell and back again when in all probability he's telling the truth.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Aeaus Last I checked Awox was a corporation Awox = Person Awox Inc = Corp
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Aeaus Last I checked Awox was a corporation Awox = Person Awox Inc = Corp Well even better, means he paid the CEO for the ransom. Really, until we hear from Awox Inc. We have nothing to draw conclusions on. My Guides
ZuN3 Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:44:00 - [20] I'm not in Awox corp, but do fly with him sometimes, I'm not fully aware of the agreement there between you, but if he really did say that the money you paid him did infact ensure your protection for 24 hours then I'm sure he'll re-imburse your loss.
Nic La	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:45:00 - [21] God zun is awsome, i want to be just like him.
Sonlatur Minmatar Matari Raiders	Posted - 2006.08.13 22:45:00 - [22] Mistakes happen and i can well imagine that one gets confused about "a day" when living in different time zones. Of course, 24 hours do make sense and this is how it has to be understood in a strict sense, but one could easily mistake it as "till tomorrow". That being said, just paying back 1/2 of the fee is wrong. Imho one should pay the whole fee plus reimbursement for the ship. I read that disturbingly often here - "if he pays ransom and the npcs blow him up afterwards, i'll pay back a part of the ransom"... . What?! Why not all? -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.08.14 00:42:00 - [23] Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 14/08/2006 00:42:07 I think it's like this: Carebear A get ransomed by Yarr-pirate A of Yarr-pirate-corp. A, Yarr-pirate A let Carebear A go, but Carebear A manages to get held up by Yarr-pirate B, of Yarr-pirate-corp A, and dies. Carebear A then, failing to admit his own failure, makes up a story about how Yarr-pirate A really meant the ransom for Yarr-pirate-corp. A, and proceeds to make a story up on the forums, to appeal to the public. \\ contact me in-game for sig-purchase \
Awox Awox Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.14 05:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Feng Schui 2006.08.13 @ 00:13 I deposited 5 million isk into Awox's account for ransom for a *day* being left alone to mine / rat in Ennur by his corp (if it was just a personal ransom, i would have deposited 1 million isk) [ 2006.08.13 00:25:31 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Ennur Local Channel [ 2006.08.13 00:28:09 ] Awox > not mining today feng? :P [ 2006.08.13 00:28:17 ] Feng Schui > trying to :\ [ 2006.08.13 00:28:24 ] Feng Schui > lost my retriever to a couple of rats :\| [ 2006.08.13 00:28:57 ] Feng Schui > so, going to lose the 2k cargo and go with 440.. but at least i have some offense and defense now, hehe [ 2006.08.13 00:29:05 ] Awox > rofl [ 2006.08.13 00:29:27 ] Feng Schui > sucks ass losing a ship to 2 18k bounty rats >< [ 2006.08.13 00:32:24 ] Awox > you want to mine in peace you can swing a bit my way [ 2006.08.13 00:32:45 ] Feng Schui > ore/isk? [ 2006.08.13 00:32:51 ] Awox > ISK [ 2006.08.13 00:33:13 ] Feng Schui > be a sec, get lag when i do anything :\| [ 2006.08.13 00:34:40 ] Feng Schui > that ok? first time i've actually been asked by a pirate, lol [ 2006.08.13 00:38:20 ] Awox > certainly [ 2006.08.13 00:38:26 ] Awox > have fun mining :) [ 2006.08.13 00:38:39 ] Feng Schui > fun? rofl.. but its a living :) [ 2006.08.13 00:46:51 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Meildolf Local Channel Never at any time was a time negotiated. I did however leave local for 12 hours after immediately after you paid me, that was rather generous I think. - nerf 0.5+
Awox Awox Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.14 05:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Aeaus And thus the ransom was not honored. You weren't there. Originally by: Aeaus Personally if something like this "miscommunication" happened I wouldn't hesitate to pay back several fold the ransom and help replace the ship. I'm not running a charity. Originally by: Aeaus Honoring your ransom is everything. Agreed. This guy was confused as to how long I was allowing him, he said he only got half of the bargain so I offered half of the ISK back to him, almost charitable. - nerf 0.5+
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.14 05:55:00 - [26] If there was no time agreement then it was honored and giving half back is generous =/ My Guides
Awox Awox Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.14 06:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Aeaus If there was no time agreement then it was honored and giving half back is generous =/ Well he didn't want the half, I kept it. I'll put it in the defence budget for when this guys plan for revenge eventuates. - nerf 0.5+
Unruffled Equanimity	Posted - 2006.08.14 06:33:00 - [28] heh so now we need lawyers here too, to negotiate the details of a deal... tbh honest - that was bad awox
Handon Guild Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.08.14 07:50:00 - [29] It is very simple. If Awox received money from this guy, thereby proclaming that he coule mine in peace from their corp for 24 hours, well, that's the deal. Now, if anything happens, and this deal is broken, like when he got shot by Awox's corpmates, he should be compensated for his ship, and the mining fee he paid. If this doesn't happen, Awox has been dishonest in his dealings, and should not be trusted. But there are many aspects in matters like this, and discussing whose fault it is can be endless...only thing relevant is, that Feng lost his stuff in violation to a deal he made, and should be compensated!
Icarium Intaki	Posted - 2006.08.14 08:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Handon Guild It is very simple. If Awox received money from this guy, thereby proclaming that he coule mine in peace from their corp for 24 hours, well, that's the deal. Now, if anything happens, and this deal is broken, like when he got shot by Awox's corpmates, he should be compensated for his ship, and the mining fee he paid. If this doesn't happen, Awox has been dishonest in his dealings, and should not be trusted. But there are many aspects in matters like this, and discussing whose fault it is can be endless...only thing relevant is, that Feng lost his stuff in violation to a deal he made, and should be compensated! Eh, I think Awox has already said that no time was negotiated. Which would mean that the miner was left in peace for 12 hours or so after paying a single ransom.... not bad imo.

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